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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
317
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:23:51 -
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Reiisha wrote:Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Eh people. You are arguing game changed here. What if I have Skills to fly perfectly with Merlin? Does it make me worse than him in flying merlin? This amount of skillpoints isnt synonymous with anything what one could consider having fun. Its only a boasting that you have more ISK or SP than someone else, purely for recognition purposes. Ask someone who extracted SP because he did not needed them so much, how he is doing. Not the guy who injected everything there is to ISK sink and SP sink. I would like to see if he can do that again, just with his alt, and alts alt, so he can "win" even more. Things just are different, but not bad, just different. Skills are a core part of EVE's gameplay, as they are the primary way to teach you planning and patience. This feature just made clear that the people steering the game may not know the core values anymore.
I learnt planning and patience a long time before I started playing EVE.
Where skills from the skill queue are concerned it's not hard although your patience can be tested sometimes as they're time gated with ridiculously long times for a game.
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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
21294
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:31:18 -
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And so it begins.
Well done CCP Rise, looks like your dreams have come true.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
432
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:35:15 -
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Mag's wrote:And so it begins.
Well done CCP Rise, looks like your dreams have come true.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64754/1/CCP_Rise.jpg
Eve online is :
A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online
D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
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LegSplitter
Lux Aeternes
0
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:36:09 -
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I don't care one way or the other on this guys waste of isk I do think and have always thought CCP would have done a lot better at bringing in new players if they would have just increased the starting sp on a new player to between 2 and 5 mil sp and had a good tutorial on how to spend it. This skill injecting thing will be short lived and will not net them the profits they think . |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2524
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:48:47 -
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I begin to think that Skill Injectors are a cash grab before CCP sells EVE to Perfect World, EA or some other company that can squeeze out the last blood from a stone.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
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Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
135
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:55:04 -
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Mag's wrote:And so it begins.
Well done CCP Rise, looks like your dreams have come true. Perfect NPE with Opportuninjetors, yeah.
Neuspielererfahrung - ISD
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W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2016.02.14 21:32:32 -
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I said this would happen. No one believed. I'm better at seeing patterns then most though.
I saw this coming when aurum was introduced. Once you open the door.
If memory serves, the money grabs started getting bad again after Soundwave left.
You can argue this isn't as bad as it seems. The joke on you is this is no where the end of it. You allow this crap to happen, it opens the door for more BS that will effect something you care about eventually.
There is more game ruining, money grabbing crap to come SOONtm |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
358
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Posted - 2016.02.14 21:36:32 -
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No new SP was added to the system, and billions has been removed from the system.
The stats show an overall evening out of the power curve, care of Cribbas reports.
Yes some people will max out toons, but then what? We have always said that SP doesn't truly matter because he can fly an astero just as good as I can.
All CCP did was give us the option. What is the point of having obscene amounts of wealth, if you cannot use it to take other people's stuff that they are willing to sell to you?
In the end the 1.8 trillion isk would have been better served in a lot of other ways if you really wanted to buy "power" what we see here is simple hubris on display. Nothing more, nothing less.
Listen to Hydrostatic Podcast for all your Empyrean needs!
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1919
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Posted - 2016.02.14 21:39:44 -
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W33b3l wrote:I said this would happen. No one believed. I'm better at seeing patterns then most though.
I saw this coming when aurum was introduced. Once you open the door.
If memory serves, the money grabs started getting bad again after Soundwave left.
You can argue this isn't as bad as it seems. The joke on you is this is no where the end of it. You allow this crap to happen, it opens the door for more BS that will effect something you care about eventually.
There is more game ruining, money grabbing crap to come SOONtm No, plenty believed it would happen, but most didn't see it as an issue. The only ones who do are those who consider SP as a valuation of their time in game and hold that as something significant. Well, those and people who view SP as "earned" advantages that certain players or characters should be disallowed by age. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5187
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Posted - 2016.02.14 21:57:45 -
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Play for years alongside characters with lvl 5 skills and nobody cares.
One man emerges who have them all on lvl 5 and everybody loses their minds.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13621
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Posted - 2016.02.14 21:58:25 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:No, plenty believed it would happen, but most didn't see it as an issue. The only ones who do are those who consider SP as a valuation of their time in game and hold that as something significant. Well, those and people who view SP as "earned" advantages that certain players or characters should be disallowed by age.
This is the kind of thing one tells himself when he really can't (or does not want to) understand the reasoning of other people. It's proof of a disingenuous personality.
It is actually possible to care about an issue that doesn't negatively affect you personally (well, directly anyways). I put no value on skill points, which is why my highest SP character stopped training after about 90 mil skill points. But I do care about the game we play, and this SP trading is a disastrous mistake.
One of the best things about CCP was that (with the exception of monoclegate) they were one of the few non-cash grabbing game companies. They asked for a fair price, and gave fair access to a good product. Unlike very many companies (not just game companies, telecom companies are the worst), CCP didn't play the 'get you in, gouge you, and offer ever better incentives to new customers so they can get gouged too, and screw the loyal existing customers' game. Until now that is.
I like many CCP employees, and few have been as outspoken of his support for CCP than I have. That moral support of CCP is no longer the case, because in doing this they proved (for the second time in 13 years) that they are just another greedy game developer. There is zero compelling in-game reasons to make the move they made. If entrenches the rich. It tells the new player "here is an easy to use short cut, just give us more money up front" It sets those same newcomers up to fail as they don't have the personal experience to USE the SP they bought meaning they will be nothing more than joke killmails after a while.
Up till this month I used to pay cash for 1 sub and plex the other 3 because that made sense for me. Now I have a stack of PLEX, enough for several months so far (and this from only draining 2 alts). I've profited in game and out from this (saving that 15 bucks means 2 more trips to Burger King this month, woot), and I still think it is a horrible example of a company selling out the previously held principles that made it great in the 1st place. At the end of the day it's just a video game, but it's still a shame t see this happen. |
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
872
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Posted - 2016.02.14 21:59:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dawny Star wrote:You know I didn't have a problem with skill injectors in principle, they allow some younger players to catch up, allow some older players to move some skills around , great, brilliant, like half of EvE I also can no longer mine. I've also gotten a leg up on the character bazarre like many many others, so a little bit of help in this huge time sink I get.
But this, and I want to be clear I watch Iron's streams and I like the guy, this makes me feel a bit sad. I don't feel quite the same about my 9 years in EvE as I did before skill injectors and people going over the top with it.
CCP you should have set a few more boundaries on this. An sp per month limit would have been the way to go.
why to bother.
anyway, did anyone calculate how much sp went to bit heaven on that char. |
Pirate Aussie
xX-Crusader-Xx Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2016.02.14 21:59:41 -
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Nex Killer wrote:So a IwantIsk banker did it, I was wondering if one of them were going to do it.
Watch him be banned, too. |
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
175
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Posted - 2016.02.14 22:09:42 -
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Pirate Aussie wrote:Nex Killer wrote:So a IwantIsk banker did it, I was wondering if one of them were going to do it. Watch him be banned, too. I hope so. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1919
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Posted - 2016.02.14 22:13:38 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:No, plenty believed it would happen, but most didn't see it as an issue. The only ones who do are those who consider SP as a valuation of their time in game and hold that as something significant. Well, those and people who view SP as "earned" advantages that certain players or characters should be disallowed by age. This is the kind of thing one tells himself when he really can't (or does not want to) understand the reasoning of other people. It's proof of a disingenuous personality. It is actually possible to care about an issue that doesn't negatively affect you personally (well, directly anyways). I put no value on skill points, which is why my highest SP character stopped training after about 90 mil skill points. But I do care about the game we play, and this SP trading is a disastrous mistake. One of the best things about CCP was that (with the exception of monoclegate) they were one of the few non-cash grabbing game companies. They asked for a fair price, and gave fair access to a good product. Unlike very many companies (not just game companies, telecom companies are the worst), CCP didn't play the 'get you in, gouge you, and offer ever better incentives to new customers so they can get gouged too, and screw the loyal existing customers' game. Until now that is. I like many CCP employees, and few have been as outspoken of his support for CCP than I have. That moral support of CCP is no longer the case, because in doing this they proved (for the second time in 13 years) that they are just another greedy game developer. There is zero compelling in-game reasons to make the move they made. If entrenches the rich. It tells the new player "here is an easy to use short cut, just give us more money up front" It sets those same newcomers up to fail as they don't have the personal experience to USE the SP they bought meaning they will be nothing more than joke killmails after a while. Up till this month I used to pay cash for 1 sub and plex the other 3 because that made sense for me. Now I have a stack of PLEX, enough for several months so far (and this from only draining 2 alts). I've profited in game and out from this (saving that 15 bucks means 2 more trips to Burger King this month, woot), and I still think it is a horrible example of a company selling out the previously held principles that made it great in the 1st place. At the end of the day it's just a video game, but it's still a shame t see this happen. This is the kind of post one resorts to when they themselves simply want to do a character based devaluation of an opposing viewpoint. They'll object to the idea that people can read and judge the objections for themselves without having some inherent flaw.
Further they'll tell you that the only way to "understand" the objections is to agree with them, but not directly.
But to your direct points Jenn:
I'm still not sure how anything but willful blindness results in the conclusion that CCP hasn't offered incentives to any level of customer, whether it be from the new player who heard of the bazaar, the player who didn't want to grind and used plex or now the player who didn't want to wait and used injectors.
We have concrete examples of this working principle in place and have had them for some time. I can certainly see being upset, but that is a very literally self inflicted attitude change rather than an actual, tangible gameplay change. But considering that your own willful buy in of this mechanic is something that you characterized as being too good to pass up and thus compulsory speaks to your ability to conflate that opinion of yours with the concept of a game originating fact.
And really there should be nothing wrong with pointing that out. Own your own decisions and values please. |
Waylan Yutani
Danish Natural Gas Inc.
32
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Posted - 2016.02.14 22:18:26 -
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I trained gall dread lvl 5, siege t2, and capital hybrid turret lvl 5. Then a corpied logged on and told me he just trained minnie dread v, siege t2 and perfect loki skills with injectors.
I feel that Something was lost somehow |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5195
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Posted - 2016.02.14 22:31:30 -
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Waylan Yutani wrote:I trained gall dread lvl 5, siege t2, and capital hybrid turret lvl 5. Then a corpied logged on and told me he just trained minnie dread v, siege t2 and perfect loki skills with injectors. I feel that Something was lost somehow Not only you, we all have lost this man to.... gulp...injectors.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Inuro Enderas
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
15
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Posted - 2016.02.14 22:39:01 -
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Waylan Yutani wrote:I trained gall dread lvl 5, siege t2, and capital hybrid turret lvl 5. Then a corpied logged on and told me he just trained minnie dread v, siege t2 and perfect loki skills with injectors. I feel that Something was lost somehow
Exactly that.
What a bad moment I chose to resub. I think I am going to cancel the subscription once again. Maybe CCP will change something eventually, then I will think about coming back. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5201
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Posted - 2016.02.14 23:06:36 -
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Inuro Enderas wrote:Waylan Yutani wrote:I trained gall dread lvl 5, siege t2, and capital hybrid turret lvl 5. Then a corpied logged on and told me he just trained minnie dread v, siege t2 and perfect loki skills with injectors. I feel that Something was lost somehow Exactly that. What a bad moment I chose to resub. I think I am going to cancel the subscription once again. Maybe CCP will change something eventually, then I will think about coming back. They have changed something eventually. But its your choice.
EVE is not what you are thinking it is. Its just an experiment, social experiment. They are testing adaptation of human mind to quickly changing environment. The winner will get all icelandic exotic dancers and a ton of hakarl.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Inuro Enderas
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
15
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Posted - 2016.02.14 23:11:51 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:They have changed something eventually. But its your choice. EVE is not what you are thinking it is. Its just an experiment, social experiment. They are testing adaptation of human mind to quickly changing environment. The winner will get all icelandic exotic dancers and a ton of hakarl.
Problem is, I am not interested in icelandic exotic dancers or hakarl.
As for adaptation, I feel that when the changes aren't accepted by the majority, something ought to happen. Strangely enough I only see sad rants on the forum, nobody rebels anymore, nobody shoots anything anymore. |
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1787
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Posted - 2016.02.14 23:27:19 -
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I dont really see the problem.
Until golden ammo it makes no difference how people earn their SP to me. |
Tetsel
Heretic Army I N F A M O U S
229
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Posted - 2016.02.14 23:31:50 -
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Inuro Enderas wrote:As for adaptation, I feel that when the changes aren't accepted by the majority, something ought to happen. Strangely enough I only see sad rants on the forum, nobody rebels anymore, nobody shoots anything anymore.
Maybe the majority of people that cared enough to rebels and shoot things are gone alreadyGǪ Btw a big part of what, I'll wrongly call "EVE Mythology", is gone, so I'll add a sad rants on the forum.
I feel sad now seeing this happening.
Loyal servent to Mother Amamake.
@EVE_Tetsel
Another Bittervet Please Ignore
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Marceline Ravenstar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.02.14 23:36:15 -
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This thread in a nutshel:
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Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2691
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Posted - 2016.02.15 00:20:10 -
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They also want to keep the game running for another decade. The ever-increasing catch up time was hurting new player retention.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2530
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Posted - 2016.02.15 00:27:27 -
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Ashterothi wrote:No new SP was added to the system, and billions has been removed from the system.... SP farms take a little time to setup.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9870
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Posted - 2016.02.15 01:38:18 -
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As any of us know that have been playing for a while, SP is not that important. And it isn't. It's what you do with it that's important. And you don't need a lot of it to do some fun stuff.
Here's the thing. Most new people coming from other MMOs can't wrap their coddled little carebear brains around the difference between SP and experience. So they have a hard time getting into this game not because of the SP disparity being important, but because they perceive that it's important and they are not easily dissuaded from this idea.
So CCP are wisely using that unshakable belief to attract and keep new players. New players that would quit because they are indoctrinated into the common MMO dogma that more SP makes you a better player and they can never hope to catch up to the vets. New players that will soon learn that this game is different, but not until after investing a lot of time and money into it thus making it worth their while to stick around and acquire some actual experience.
The more I think about it, the more I truly believe that this new mechanic is possibly the best idea for new player attraction and retention that CCP could have come up with.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Escobar Sr
Gang Bang You're Dead Happy Cartel
8
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Posted - 2016.02.15 01:43:52 -
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Dunno why I have mixed feelings about this accomplishment. Okay, he can fly all ships, he can use all the turrets, all the missiles, all the everything... but what's the point of spending a f*ckton of injectors just to get PI and other skills that have nothing to do with your actual daily routine?!? Honestly... Maxed PvP skills with Maxed miner to prove what?!?
Beware of this dude, he will kill you with his perfect salvaging skills... The only thing he proved, in my opinion, it's that is do-able... nothing more, nothing less... Besides that... IDK... |
Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2588
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Posted - 2016.02.15 01:54:46 -
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Escobar Sr wrote:Dunno why I have mixed feelings about this accomplishment. Okay, he can fly all ships, he can use all the turrets, all the missiles, all the everything... but what's the point of spending a f*ckton of injectors just to get PI and other skills that have nothing to do with your actual daily routine?!? Honestly... Maxed PvP skills with Maxed miner to prove what?!?
"Look at my huge space wiener, you peasants, me so beaucoup huge, omfg he's so huge!!!!!111!" That's why!
The beginning of the End
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Gunner GzR
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
95
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Posted - 2016.02.15 01:59:27 -
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For me it takes away from the time you put into Eve.. Used to be you had to play for years to get a lot of sp now well you dont so it takes away all the time you have put into the game.. Just a money grab for ccp really.
Change For the Sake of Change is bad
Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money.
Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
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Pix Severus
Empty You
3064
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Posted - 2016.02.15 02:32:58 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:New players that would quit because they are indoctrinated into the common MMO dogma that more SP makes you a better player and they can never hope to catch up to the vets.
This.
There are a huge amount of bad reviews for EVE left on many sites around the net. Go to any review site and you are guaranteed to find someone crying about not being able to catch up to vets. It's like their brains have been warped by other games, and if they can't be a special snowflake in a game played by thousands of people, then they just aren't interested.
My lord.
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