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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:27:17 -
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Edwin Rothbard wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:nor does it really give you an advantage..  I'm sure new pilots with 400k sp will agree that having max skills conveys no extra advantages such as trading skills, PI skills, production skills, research skills, ability to fit t2 modules, fits you can actually use because you don't have all the pg/cpu restrictions, or the ability to hop in and fly any ship you like right now. Just because someone doesn't have experience flying a particular ship doesn't mean it's not an advantage to be able to fly it. Your assertion that having max skills isn't an advantage is nonsense.
so what if he can use T2 mods and ship if he doesn't know how to use it or if nobody plays with him?
check lowsec especially FW deaths, notice that even veteran players uses T1 ships with mixed T1/T2 mods?
infact, i don't see you, a 2007 character, flying OP or expensive ships yourself to have an advantage over others and you have plenty of SP, why?
if having more SP is such of an advantage, why are you in particular, not showing it?
Just Add Water
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27093
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:31:28 -
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Avvy wrote:What you got was a character with a bunch of sp already trained by someone else GǪwhich means you had no control over the actual SP or its suitability to your current needs or its availability. All of it had to be planned ahead and grown organically to suit some assumed future state. It, like your own character, was the result of a long-term build history and a specific time in the history of the game.
So pretty much entirely unlike the direct manipulation of SP we have now, where none of that is a factor any more. There is no longer any time that need to be spent, no plan that needs to be made, no historical state and future development that need to be accounted for. Just buy, apply, match.
The entire process has become optional GÇö history and the flow of time has been lost.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:43:02 -
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Tippia wrote:Avvy wrote:What you got was a character with a bunch of sp already trained by someone else GǪwhich means you had no control over the actual SP or its suitability to your current needs or its availability. All of it had to be planned ahead and grown organically to suit some assumed future state. It, like your own character, was the result of a long-term build history and a specific time in the history of the game. So pretty much entirely unlike the direct manipulation of SP we have now, where none of that is a factor any more. There is no longer any time that need to be spent, no plan that needs to be made, no historical state and future development that need to be accounted for. Just buy, apply, match. The entire process has become optional GÇö history and the flow of time has been lost.
Say I bought a character from the bazaar, I wouldn't buy one if it had the wrong skills trained.
So I'd buy one with suitable skill for what I had planned.
Alternatively buy skill injectors to a similar total sp value to that of what the bazaar character had and inject those and use them in much the same manner. End result not much different.
With the bazaar character, the previous history is irrelevant to me as it wasn't my history with the character. |
Cixi
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:43:36 -
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There is no problem with what this guy did. He just want recognition and fame, I bet he won't even play with that character.
You can be as good as him (in 1 or few focused way) in a relative short time |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5173
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:12:59 -
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Quote:You can be as good as him (in 1 or few focused way) in a relative short time
No.
You all lost. Na na na na na. 
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
408
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:13:26 -
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Dawny Star wrote:Not quite
Extractors are only seeded via someone buying them with AUR, and AUR can only come from one of 3 places
Plex to AUR conversion - Someone bought a PLEX, PLEX can only be generated by RL Cash
RL Cash to AUR purchase.
Historically gifted AUR from CCP - There's no damn way they gave enough away for this weeks events :p
So people have absolutely been generating CCP income with this.
That's true. What I mean was that IronBank didn't pay-to-win, since IronBank (likely) didn't pay any RL cash at all.
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Cixi
28
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:19:36 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Quote:You can be as good as him (in 1 or few focused way) in a relative short time No. You all lost. Na na na na na.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13616
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:34:21 -
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Barrett Fruitcake wrote:I once thought is was amazing that it would take 20-30 years to train all this skills in this game.
I think something has been lost....
Of course I do too. But because SP trading is not completely "P2W", some people don't have the foresight to see why this is bad. It's nothing new, there were people defending Dominion's Sov system for like 2 years after it was implemented even though the bad affects of that system were already apparent.
People selling or buying SP and maxing out characters isn't the end of the world, it is an early warning indicator of truly bad things to come. It shows that CCP doesn't understand the value of the things they keep putting on the chopping block. Even after draining 2 characters I'm still sitting on enough SP to keep my 4 accounts in plexes (at current plex prices) for like 3 years. WTF CCP? |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2523
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:37:00 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:A 10-year vet with 2M SP will rip apart a 5-day newbro with maxed out bought skills every day. ... Now tell me how a 10 year veteran with a max combat alt does against 5M SP new players. 
Yonis Kador wrote:Short of a public flailing or self-immolation, I don't know what more I could've done to raise awareness against sp trading prior to its implementation. ...
YK I was grasping around a bit in the dark but the number of times I point things out and get shouted down ...
I think either the old crowd are to tired too fight against stupid stuff like Fozzie SOV, T3Ds, Command Destroyers and now Skill Injectors or we really are all dying out and the tantrum kids are taking over.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5175
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:44:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Barrett Fruitcake wrote:I once thought is was amazing that it would take 20-30 years to train all this skills in this game.
I think something has been lost....
Of course I do to. But because SP trading is not completely "P2W", some people don't have the foresight to see why this is bad. It's nothing new, there were people defending Dominion's Sov system for like 2 years after it was implemented even though the bad affects of that system were already apparent. People selling or buying SP and maxing out characters isn't the end of the world, it is an early warning indicator of truly bad things to come. It shows that CCP doesn't understand the value of the things they keep putting on the chopping block. Even after draining 2 characters I'm still sitting on enough SP to keep my 4 accounts in plexes (at current plex prices) for like 3 years. WTF CCP?
Sneak was saying "take a small bite, noone will know". CCP is the snake. Guess who are the sinners.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
802
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:46:42 -
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Good for him. Too bad he beat Aryth to it. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
802
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:49:11 -
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we have truly lost something with the demise of the ability of 2003 players to always have more SP than new players |
Khanid Voltar
S.A.S
59
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:56:24 -
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I think this change sucks
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
1579
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:57:28 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Hairtrigger wrote:well, thats it for me folks.
got 3 days left of my subs ive been paying for since 2004.
should of seen the writing on the wall years ago when all the original devs started jumpng ship and they started hiring people like fozzie, verone, kill2 etc.
but this latest money grabbin tactic by hilmar is just too much.
been saying this for years, that incompetent tool needs sacking.
he is slowly kiling this game like a cancer could i please have some of your SP?
FTFY
Adventures
New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: House Forelli
Titan's Lament
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Mishra San
Spaceships Anonymous
35
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:03:34 -
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Admiral Mason wrote:http://eveboard.com/pilot/IronBank
Make of it what you will.
Holy Skill Injectors, Batman!
LMAO.
He just won EVE.
sending virtual hug, virtual hug sent!
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Krevnos
Back Door Burglars
The Otherworld
57
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:08:09 -
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Tippia wrote:
I have no interest in catering to this design error, and since the people who actually benefit from it are older players, they fall outside the intended audience for such a plan.
I absolutely agree with this point. You and I can manufacture customised alts to our hearts' content simply using our amassed in-game wealth. Something feels cheap about this, even considering the ability to purchase alts on the character bazaar (which are almost never perfectly trained for what we need).
New players. on the other hand, are inveigled by CCP into buying skill points for real life money through in-game advertisements whenever they open their skill queue. It isn't exactly a subtle advertisement, either.
While it is still some way off, the experience of EVE is starting to feel just a little like an East Asian F2P theme park MMO. I fully expect this game to go F2P within the next 12 months with optional skill training acceleration for subscription/PLEX together with paid for vanity items (already partly implemented) and possibly other special items.
I think it's time we sat down and had a serious discussion about the application of 'pay to get ahead' in EVE online. It's being pushed at us by the developer and the onus is on us to decide what constitutes acceptable and unacceptable business practice in this arena. |
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
274
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:09:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:PsiMin wrote:Lathael wrote:This destroys a lot for me. Ouch.
Can someone do the math for me and tell me how much that costs?
Thx in advance *sigh* CCP has destroyed this game as its now P2W yawn so ironbank is officiallly the strongest and most elite character in the game, undefeatable because he paid to win and nobody is as high ranked as him because thats what pay2win is right? its not winning its just epeen, nothing more, showing off how he has so much isk to be able to do pointless things
He is not undefeatable. No one is.
EDIT:
My reaction was too harsh to the comment I was replying to. So I apologize and retract it.
There is no reason to get upset, or even care, about Ironbank's stunt. Literally.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
802
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:10:45 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:Lan Wang wrote:PsiMin wrote:Lathael wrote:This destroys a lot for me. Ouch.
Can someone do the math for me and tell me how much that costs?
Thx in advance *sigh* CCP has destroyed this game as its now P2W yawn so ironbank is officiallly the strongest and most elite character in the game, undefeatable because he paid to win and nobody is as high ranked as him because thats what pay2win is right? its not winning its just epeen, nothing more, showing off how he has so much isk to be able to do pointless things He is not undefeatable. No one is. You should try PVP more before making such stupid statements.
you are, by far, the best person at recognizing sarcasm in the entire universe |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9863
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:11:52 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:Lan Wang wrote:PsiMin wrote:Lathael wrote:This destroys a lot for me. Ouch.
Can someone do the math for me and tell me how much that costs?
Thx in advance *sigh* CCP has destroyed this game as its now P2W yawn so ironbank is officiallly the strongest and most elite character in the game, undefeatable because he paid to win and nobody is as high ranked as him because thats what pay2win is right? its not winning its just epeen, nothing more, showing off how he has so much isk to be able to do pointless things He is not undefeatable. No one is. You should try PVP more before making such stupid statements. Insert lookhowthatwentrightoveryourhead.gif here.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
274
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:12:28 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:
you are, by far, the best person at recognizing sarcasm in the entire universe
No, I am not. Hence the apology and retraction.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
532
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:15:47 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:Lan Wang wrote:PsiMin wrote:
CCP has destroyed this game as its now P2W
yawn so ironbank is officiallly the strongest and most elite character in the game, undefeatable because he paid to win and nobody is as high ranked as him because thats what pay2win is right? its not winning its just epeen, nothing more, showing off how he has so much isk to be able to do pointless things He is not undefeatable. No one is. EDIT: My reaction was too harsh to the comment I was replying to. So I apologize and retract it. There is no reason to get upset, or even care, about Ironbank's stunt. Literally.
You sir need to get your sarcasm detector realigned ... because it's way off.
EDIT: I could have sworn the edit wasn't there when I hit quote. Funny.
Don't anger the forum gods.
ISD Buldath:
> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
311
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:25:08 -
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Jill Xelitras wrote:Deck Cadelanne wrote:Lan Wang wrote:PsiMin wrote:
CCP has destroyed this game as its now P2W
yawn so ironbank is officiallly the strongest and most elite character in the game, undefeatable because he paid to win and nobody is as high ranked as him because thats what pay2win is right? its not winning its just epeen, nothing more, showing off how he has so much isk to be able to do pointless things He is not undefeatable. No one is. EDIT: My reaction was too harsh to the comment I was replying to. So I apologize and retract it. There is no reason to get upset, or even care, about Ironbank's stunt. Literally. You sir need to get your sarcasm detector realigned ... because it's way off. EDIT: I could have sworn the edit wasn't there when I hit quote. Funny.
The edit happened after post #170, so it probably wasn't. |
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
429
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:27:44 -
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Quote: Greed has poisoned men's souls
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dGPo9XBIPA
Regards, a Freelancer
Eve online is :
A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online
D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
2465
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:41:24 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:You should try PVP more before making such stupid statements.
whats pvp and where do i buy it?
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
57
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:58:19 -
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Dawny Star wrote:Eli Stan wrote:Edwin Rothbard wrote:Pandora Bokks wrote:[quote=Dr Caymus]I feel a bit sorry for you, but to be honest - paying a subscription for 13 years in a row is nothing I would call an achievement. If it is that important for you, you an get back to top position in a couple of hours.
Therein lies the problem: CCP has now created a system where the only way to stay competitive on SP is to pay RL cash for SP on top of your monthly subscription fee. This is the very definition of p2win. What's worse is that most p2win games are 'free' from a monthly subscription fee but with all the microtransactions. CCP has done one better by requiring both the month subscription fee AND the microtransactions. Not to mention CCP's idea of "micro" is really more "macro." This looks great on a spreadsheet from an account's point of view, but for the health and longevity of the game it's bad. Isn't it the people who purchased Extractors to create Injectors that are the ones who paid RL cash? Seems IronBank simply used ISK he already had, ISK that wasn't gained by spending RL cash...? I've purchased a few Injectors, for example, with extra ISK I had laying around. Didn't spend a RL dime more than my sub cost for them. Not quite Extractors are only seeded via someone buying them with AUR, and AUR can only come from one of 3 places Plex to AUR conversion - Someone bought a PLEX, PLEX can only be generated by RL Cash RL Cash to AUR purchase. Historically gifted AUR from CCP - There's no damn way they gave enough away for this weeks events :p So people have absolutely been generating CCP income with this.
Agreed but you now don't need to buy AUR you can use real life cash direct with CCP.
https://secure.eveonline.com/SkillExtractors/
I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1111
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:59:32 -
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so. this guy spent a fortune on skill packs and has a maxed char.
what now? Tomorrow noone will remember. |
Zappity
Black Aces
I N F A M O U S
2690
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:10:30 -
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The 1.8T it cost to accomplish this effectively meaningless gesture has been distributed much more widely. This is a good thing.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Reiisha
Repracor Industries
808
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:12:30 -
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Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Eh people. You are arguing game changed here. What if I have Skills to fly perfectly with Merlin? Does it make me worse than him in flying merlin? This amount of skillpoints isnt synonymous with anything what one could consider having fun. Its only a boasting that you have more ISK or SP than someone else, purely for recognition purposes. Ask someone who extracted SP because he did not needed them so much, how he is doing. Not the guy who injected everything there is to ISK sink and SP sink. I would like to see if he can do that again, just with his alt, and alts alt, so he can "win" even more. Things just are different, but not bad, just different.
Skills are a core part of EVE's gameplay, as they are the primary way to teach you planning and patience.
This feature just made clear that the people steering the game may not know the core values anymore.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Thorian Baalnorn
Bad Influence
ChaosTheory.
86
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:22:52 -
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See scamming does pay. All those players he scams in his " online casino" Draining them of isk and then having his alts win it. he is probably a multi trillionaire by now. Probably didnt even put a dent in his pocket.
Sometimes you are the squirrel and sometimes you are the nut. Today, you are the nut and the squirrel is hungry.
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
429
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:23:23 -
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The Company broke the accord they made with us Capsuleers in 2011 after the Incarna expansion:
"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time."
source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/accord-reached-at-ccps-special-summit/
Regards, Freelancer
Eve online is :
A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online
D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
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