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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
318
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Posted - 2016.02.15 12:50:56 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have.
Well I don't know what MMO you will be playing then as they're all going the same way.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
1069
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Posted - 2016.02.15 12:53:53 -
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Besides, the only real problem this creates is that it succeeded so now Hilmar and greedy jews of CCP will be that much more brazen with the next cash grab. This didn't kill eve but it officially opened the gate to the road that does.
Not today spaghetti.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2475
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Posted - 2016.02.15 12:57:57 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Besides, the only real problem this creates is that it succeeded so now Hilmar and greedy jews of CCP will be that much more brazen with the next cash grab. This didn't kill eve but it officially opened the gate to the road that does.
No they followed a business model, and in gaming there isnt a game which doesnt have this model you are actually lucky the restrictions are not as harsh as other games which its mandatory to spend money or you cant advance, while all you guys cry about greed, would you work for free? would you work for a company that doesnt make money?
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2531
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:01:18 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have. i cant buy a Polaris with 99% resists across the board for rl money though, that would be real p2w For the pedant in the room: Everything a player can normally acquire through time or effort can be bought for real life cash.Avvy wrote:Well I don't know what MMO you will be playing then as they're all going the same way. Wurm Online for now, (and yes for stupid cash you can buy things there also).
I will keep an eye out for the game that bucks the trend and stands upon their integrity.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2475
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:03:35 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have. i cant buy a Polaris with 99% resists across the board for rl money though, that would be real p2w For the pedant in the room: Everything a player can normally acquire through time or effort can be bought for real life cash.
thats the thing though, time and effort is already made, nothing is conjured out of thin air
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2531
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:06:52 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Everything a player can normally acquire through time or effort can be bought for real life cash. Thats the thing though, time and effort is already made, nothing is conjured out of thin air There was a time, when you paid for access to a game world, where you were anonymous, role playing was the norm and people would start on a level playing field, no matter their real life circumstances.
Now people can pay to cheat their way forward in games that have corrupted communities of tantrum kids.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
318
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:10:39 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have. i cant buy a Polaris with 99% resists across the board for rl money though, that would be real p2w For the pedant in the room: Everything a player can normally acquire through time or effort can be bought for real life cash. thats the thing though, time and effort is already made, nothing is conjured out of thin air
It's why they went the injector route, they wanted to keep it a player run market.
Look at it this way, CCP gave players the means it was the players that decided to use those means. So effectively it was the players decision.
If players hadn't of put sp injectors onto the market, there would have been none for sale. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2476
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:13:26 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Everything a player can normally acquire through time or effort can be bought for real life cash. Thats the thing though, time and effort is already made, nothing is conjured out of thin air There was a time, when you paid for access to a game world, where you were anonymous, role playing was the norm and people would start on a level playing field, no matter their real life circumstances.Now people can pay to cheat their way forward in games that have corrupted communities of tantrum kids.
That time is long gone in the gaming world and id rather ccp try and generate funds than go bust and i lose everything i have achieved with this char.
take your pick
1. Let ccp try and monetize the people willing to spend rl cash who want to play but have no interest in trying to compete with 10 year plus vets.
2. block ccp from making any money and live off sub money and eventually die because its not a successful business.
Sorry but id rather ccp lived so i can play the game that i invested money into
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2531
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:23:32 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: There was a time, when you paid for access to a game world, where you were anonymous, role playing was the norm and people would start on a level playing field, no matter their real life circumstances.
Now people can pay to cheat their way forward in games that have corrupted communities of tantrum kids. That time is long gone in the gaming world and id rather ccp try and generate funds than go bust ... 3) Solid game design rather than band aids and sell outs to teenage fantasy. Greater challenges at higher levels for a better sense of achievement. Couple all of that with a more effective marketing strategy.
People strive to go to Oxford and Harvard. EVE has lasted so long because it was niche; because it held out apples far out of reach and people kept climbing to reach them.
As I kept saying in the WiS thread, they could have us walk right through the CQ door and into a Dust social area. We could change games but keep the same characters if we had two accounts.
There are many ways to widen the scope of EVE, to set the bar higher, make it more of a quality experience but they just keep on selling out.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5218
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:30:19 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Everything a player can normally acquire through time or effort can be bought for real life cash. Thats the thing though, time and effort is already made, nothing is conjured out of thin air There was a time, when you paid for access to a game world, where you were anonymous, role playing was the norm and people would start on a level playing field, no matter their real life circumstances.Now people can pay to cheat their way forward in games that have corrupted communities of tantrum kids. Games have become business as any other, so people throwing cash on games, and willing to spend more, will be satisfied. And remember, CCP only allows players to redistribute earned SP with other characters, something that was allowed with character bazaar earlier. Now its just more convenient, and some SP are lost.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2537
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:41:03 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:... And remember, CCP only allows players to redistribute earned SP with other characters, something that was allowed with character bazaar earlier. Now its just more convenient, and some SP are lost.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:So although you couldn't put the sp exactly where you wanted to, you could buy a character that closely matches what you wanted, so not really a great deal of difference. Except for characters on the bazaar having a HISTORY and often a public set of skills that wouldn't have changed much and kill board with losses to check. Now, a "newbie" can do a fast turn around and hustle you into an expensive loss. Bring on the risk aversion ten-fold. Your excuse for CCP is wearing thin with repetition.
SP destroyed -> SP farms are being grown as we speak.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:45:16 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:... And remember, CCP only allows players to redistribute earned SP with other characters, something that was allowed with character bazaar earlier. Now its just more convenient, and some SP are lost. Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:So although you couldn't put the sp exactly where you wanted to, you could buy a character that closely matches what you wanted, so not really a great deal of difference. Except for characters on the bazaar having a HISTORY and often a public set of skills that wouldn't have changed much and kill board with losses to check. Now, a "newbie" can do a fast turn around and hustle you into an expensive loss. Bring on the risk aversion ten-fold. Your excuse for CCP is wearing thin with repetition. SP destroyed -> SP farms are being grown as we speak.
I'm not sure if you're talking to Nana, me or yourself with those quotes. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5218
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:49:20 -
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We are coming to a point when I will defend players who throw money to the CCP and you will defend players denying CCP their money. Guess who CCP will listen more.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Gary Bell
Herp Inc.dot Darwinism.
161
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:54:46 -
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I mean honestly yes, it does take a bit out of the games feely squishy parts.. But it literally makes no difference to the way the game is day to day. People like that did it for the hell of it and because they wanted the fame.. Nothing more.
The percentage of eve players that are able to do this are very small and you could prob go your entire eve career without ever meeting one in any aspect. Eve has to large a universe and player base.
Last to remake the point. Eve has basically been play to wins sense plexs came about. Any person with enough drive and RL cash could buy 200 plexs and convert them to isk and buy a Char off the market. Then simply delete the posts from the forum and no one would be any the wiser.
This will make no difference to the game what so ever except alot of the bittervets will be able to unplug mining and there will be alot more link and cyno five alts running around.
Oh, and farming sp will be a new profession insted of farming large batches of chars to sell...
Get over it they got some money in the coffers now so they can stop laying people off and maybe give us some new cool things to play with in game.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2538
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:04:30 -
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Gary Bell wrote:I mean honestly yes, it does take a bit out of the games feely squishy parts.. But it literally makes no difference to the way the game is day to day. ... There are penalties to the character bazaar.
Why strive when you can just buy? Why buy for a low achievement game?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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high sec alt
high sec alt Corporation
2
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:14:58 -
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shameless post so I can follow |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2593
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:22:46 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have.
OH NOES!!!!!!! Someone did on a single character what could already be done with many characters!!! It's the end of the world!!!!
Buying an alt army off the bazaar could already give you all what this guy can do now in a more practical way because you could do many at the same time. His one maxed character can only do one thing at a time. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5223
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:26:10 -
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Hahaha, what if he will extract all this SP?
THAT would be funny.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2478
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:31:35 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have. OH NOES!!!!!!! Someone did on a single character what could already be done with many characters!!! It's the end of the world!!!! Buying an alt army off the bazaar could already give you all what this guy can do now in a more practical way because you could do many at the same time. His one maxed character can only do one thing at a time.
this. he still needs alts to be 100% efficient hahaha
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2540
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:33:28 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:... OH NOES!!!!!!! Someone did on a single character ... 12 page thread and you think I am talking specifically about one character?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2594
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:39:48 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:... OH NOES!!!!!!! Someone did on a single character ... 12 page thread and you think I am talking specifically about one character?
The only thing different from normal day that happened is that it was done on a single character. You could already buy an alt army and have access to every function in the game. You just un-loaded a bunch of PLEX on the market and then went to the bazaar with a checklist to fill.
Some obscure combo of skill would cost you a lot but chance are most stuff could be found anyway. What really is different now? |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
6924
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:41:33 -
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Removed an off topic post.
Also, the Polaris frigate is unable to shoot anything and has no fitting slots. Well it's got one mid depending on the variant, but it's not an offensive ship.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2482
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:44:21 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Removed an off topic post.
Also, the Polaris frigate is unable to shoot anything and has no fitting slots. Well it's got one mid depending on the variant, but it's not an offensive ship.
but for 1000aurum we could surely have a highslot fitted, then multiples can be added for more aurum, the possibilities are endless if ccp really wanted to go p2w
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2540
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:45:05 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:What really is different now? Same page.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2596
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:47:25 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:What really is different now? Same page.
So SP farm is your point?
Ever heard of character farms?
That was done before you know... |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2540
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:48:47 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:So SP farm is your point? That was done before you know... History Time Public information.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5232
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:51:03 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:So SP farm is your point? That was done before you know... History Time Public information. Meh. If it is not in your Bio or on forums, its nowhere.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2540
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:56:32 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:... If it is not in your Bio ... its nowhere. Could it be? Are you starting to get it? "Know thy enemy" has flown out the window.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
42
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:56:34 -
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Its sad all those SP got used by a RMT group that will probably go the way of Somer Blink within the next few months. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2596
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:00:27 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:... If it is not in your Bio ... its nowhere. Could it be? Are you starting to get it? "Know thy enemy" has flown out the window.
Less free intel because the character could be something entirely different than he was before. That's bad for the game? |
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