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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2016.02.14 10:57:50 -
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It has ruined the goal of those that where aiming for maximum skills doing it the old way.
But for most I doubt it has ruined the game. What's the point in having all the skills where you won't even use them all. Probably about a 1/3 of the skills I probably will never train or have any intention of training. |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:01:31 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Admiral Mason wrote:NUBIARN wrote:incredibly he has astronautics science skill which I thought no more existed, be interesting if chribba verified this is a genuine API.
The guy did it all on stream. He's still streaming. Not gonna link it though because this guy seems so sketchy. (RMT) He is RMTing with very smart and well-thought method ccp can't retrace. I guess he makes roughly 100k per year, like Somer did once. RIP Eve btw
Well if he was smart enough to get away with it (not that I'm saying he has done anything outside the EULA) then it's unlikely he would be dumb enough to make himself the centre of attraction. |
Utencil
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:02:48 -
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NUBIARN wrote:incredibly he has astronautics science skill which I thought no more existed, be interesting if chribba verified this is a genuine API.
the funny thing is he has all 4 faux skills for 14mil sp that will be reallocated in the march patch according to latest dev blog !!
He bought the book for 49B |
Andrew Space
Spaceheads
0
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:06:32 -
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aw man thats a lot of sp..  |
Big Lynx
4824
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:14:23 -
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On the other hand I am glad that IronBank demonstrated this level of absurdity. It shows the radical change of CCP's CRM for more profit and the painful sacrifice of a USP and kind of magical feature of EvE Online. It all has a bitter and strange taste.... Eve Online quo vadis? |
Dalto Bane
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
180
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:19:41 -
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Yeah, this whole thing with injectors has made me sad. I feel the same way I did when I first heard about injectors. I was for the idea of SP being remapped locally within a single character for a fee when that was proposed... then that idea manifested itself in to what we see today. 
Of course, I must take the good with the bad if I continue to play. The bright side is that the SP come from somewhere, and at a degraded amount.... and eventually the harvest will be reaped, and the price of SP will inflate, etc, etc.
What I have trouble understanding is why anyone was for this, especially the ones who have invested countless days queuing skills over the course of many years. Why were they so supportive? It obviously wasn't the Isk they would make selling their SP, since most are filthy spacerich anyway. Not even mad really, just haven't excepted reality yet... 
Drops Mic
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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:20:37 -
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I'm gaining extra sp a much cheaper way. Around 15 of my alts who don't need SP any more are just training spaceship command skils with 32 per/26 willpower and then extracting that SP to make injectors to go on my main :D |
Bellanea Rajanir
Poseidaon
295
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:21:08 -
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Eh people.
You are arguing game changed here. What if I have Skills to fly perfectly with Merlin? Does it make me worse than him in flying merlin? This amount of skillpoints isnt synonymous with anything what one could consider having fun. Its only a boasting that you have more ISK or SP than someone else, purely for recognition purposes.
Ask someone who extracted SP because he did not needed them so much, how he is doing. Not the guy who injected everything there is to ISK sink and SP sink.
I would like to see if he can do that again, just with his alt, and alts alt, so he can "win" even more. 
Things just are different, but not bad, just different.
"Station atmosphere not yet decontaminated for capsuleer consumption."
Just open the door. Let it ventilate for some time.
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Abannan
Justified Chaos
Spaceship Bebop
108
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:23:46 -
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"I haven't got enough isk to do this, thus it is pay to win and I disagree with this mechanic, eve is dying" - Every eve player that can't buy a maxed character |
Dawny Star
Control-Space
DARKNESS.
5
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:25:09 -
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I'd really like to hear a Dev. viewpoint on this, a lot of Dev's are ex-players and I can't imagine this was what they had in mind for this service?
Some possible restrictions you could add to the service.
1. After 100 Mil SP, you can only extract or move your SP you cannot not inject more.
2. You can only inject a hard cap amount of SP per Month
Also, please let us nuke the injects skill books (if we desire) for skills we've stripped... there's still evidence I used to be able to mine on my character sheet!
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Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
131
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:25:28 -
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No one here that did'nt expect that to happen, right?
In game cost, i.e. ISK spent on the market, given a price of 650.000.000 ISK/Injector
That's around 5.95 B-R5RBs
AUR fee to CCP (by those that got the extractors), given a price of 800 AUR per extractor (10 packs each)
93 Packs of 100 $ / Gé¼ for 24.400 AUR
Neuspielererfahrung - ISD
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27079
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:29:09 -
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Dawny Star wrote:I'd really like to hear a Dev. viewpoint on this, a lot of Dev's are ex-players and I can't imagine this was what they had in mind for this service?
There are two options.
1. They did have exactly this in mind GÇö get on the whaling boat!
2. They're utter retards.
There might be a third option which is that both of the above are true at once, but that's about it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Big Lynx
4825
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:30:14 -
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Tippia wrote:Dawny Star wrote:I'd really like to hear a Dev. viewpoint on this, a lot of Dev's are ex-players and I can't imagine this was what they had in mind for this service? There are two options. 1. They did have exactly this in mind GÇö get on the whaling boat! 2. They're utter ret ards. There might be a third option which is that both of the above are true at once, but that's about it.
option 3: Profit
simple |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27079
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:36:06 -
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Big Lynx wrote:option 3: Profit
simple
That's option 1.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:38:54 -
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Cometopappa wrote:I'm gaining extra sp a much cheaper way. Around 15 of my alts who don't need SP any more are just training spaceship command skils with 32 per/26 willpower and then extracting that SP to make injectors to go on my main :D
Meanwhile my main focuses training on skills my attributes are set to and injects mostly skills they are not.
Yeah, so negating the attribute system as it was originally intended to be used. In the process showing how useless the attribute system now is. |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:42:47 -
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Dawny Star wrote:I'd really like to hear a Dev. viewpoint on this, a lot of Dev's are ex-players and I can't imagine this was what they had in mind for this service?
Some possible restrictions you could add to the service.
1. After 100 Mil SP, you can only extract or move your SP you cannot not inject more.
2. You can only inject a hard cap amount of SP per Month
Also, please let us nuke the injects skill books (if we desire) for skills we've stripped... there's still evidence I used to be able to mine on my character sheet!
1. Would have worked although maybe a slightly higher limit.
2. Would have still have created an issue, but it would have just taken longer for it to become apparent. |
Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
131
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:45:25 -
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Then, it suddenly DAWNED on people....too late, as usual.
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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S'Way
1339
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:45:50 -
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Dawny Star wrote:
Some possible restrictions you could add to the service.
1. After 100 Mil SP, you can only extract or move your SP you cannot not inject more.
2. You can only inject a hard cap amount of SP per Month
There should have been something like this at the start, however....
It's too late to add restrictions now, the precedent has been set. Limiting how many injectors a player can use (and when) would create a two tier eve game - those who have used them already and those who would have to follow the new restrictions.
All adding limits now would do is cause more unsubs. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
2453
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:48:01 -
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there was restrictions then vets moaned because they were being penalised more for playing longer, they cant win really
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:51:01 -
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S'Way wrote:[quote=Dawny Star]
All adding limits now would do is cause more unsubs.
Yeah. it's too late now.
Not to mention it would be almost impossible if not impossible to undo.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1387
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:57:32 -
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Of course it's a character associated with a sketchy RMT 'betting' website. No-one else in their right mind would have enough ISK to ever pay for this.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
1107
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:57:57 -
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I dare CCP to post in this thread and tell us that they're proud of this. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
187
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:06:35 -
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Still so many people thinking skills are the major factor in being good at EvE.
He basically just spent a fuckton of ISK to create a glorified account that is basically as good as any specialized account for any activity. |
Bellanea Rajanir
Poseidaon
295
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:07:17 -
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Ibutho Inkosi wrote:Then, it suddenly DAWNED on people....too late, as usual.
Dawned what?
Coming of max SP messiah?
Or that you are not worthy kissing the underneath of his sandals? 
I say, **** him, and **** his SP.
"Station atmosphere not yet decontaminated for capsuleer consumption."
Just open the door. Let it ventilate for some time.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
RAZOR Alliance
732
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:25:08 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:I dare CCP to post in this thread and tell us that they're proud of this.
Have the lessons of the past not been found here? M8?
The top 0.1% of society will always do what they want because they can. Just remember you were the one selling your time/labour/product and they were the one buying. If it's a matter of opportunities you think have been unfair I recall noone being born with a silver spoon.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:33:26 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:I dare CCP to post in this thread and tell us that they're proud of this. Have the lessons of the past not been found here? M8? The top 0.1% of society will always do what they want because they can. Just remember you were the one selling your time/labour/product and they were the one buying. If it's a matter of opportunities you think have been unfair I recall noone being born with a silver spoon.
Gone are the days when characters were equal to start with.
RL values (those values aren't shared by everyone) have bleed into gaming. I guess it was inevitable as companies trade in the real world. |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
195
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:35:13 -
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Lan Wang wrote:there was restrictions then vets moaned because they were being penalised more for playing longer, they cant win really
There's always going to be some people moaning but it's up to CCP to decide which moans are valid and which are just stupid. I'd say the complaints against skill traders as they are now are valid; they have undeniably cheapened the game just look at this guy getting max skills. People would feel a lot less cheated being slightly penalised than they do knowing some rich guys can just blast right past them, or they could have scrapped this idea as bad.
Some F&I wisdom says that "if you have to introduce a whole bunch of arbitrary limitations to make your idea work then it's probably not a very good idea to start with."
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
15247
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:38:39 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote:Another strange thing are his logon statistics, which say the following: Quote:Time online 53d 15h 18m
Daily average 17d 21h 06m 00s
Cristl wrote:Something fishy is going on with that site. What's up with the character's DoB and time onlne etc.? Daily average online time is 21 days - you what mate?
There's a pretty simple explanation for that.
Through the API CCP gives online time in total for the account rather than each pilot. So If you have played for 10 days, then create a new pilot, that new pilot would have an average of 10 days online time upon being created.
This was more accurate back in the days when you usually only used one pilot per account, unlike now when you can multi train etc.
And on that note it's a shame CCP simply didn't allow injections over 100m or similar.
/c
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Yarosara Ruil
Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:42:36 -
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What a time to be alive and playing EVE!
Gotta love paradigm shifts. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
474
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:51:48 -
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Dawny Star wrote:I'd really like to hear a Dev. viewpoint on this, a lot of Dev's are ex-players and I can't imagine this was what they had in mind for this service?
Some possible restrictions you could add to the service.
1. After 100 Mil SP, you can only extract or move your SP you cannot not inject more.
2. You can only inject a hard cap amount of SP per Month
Also, please let us nuke the injects skill books (if we desire) for skills we've stripped... there's still evidence I used to be able to mine on my character sheet!
It's already to late for that. Just go to Jita, Dodi, Amarr and Ren and take a look at the number of injectors sold already. This move made by CCP had a very narrow margin for error to begin with and CCP slipped right into it. Eve is done! |
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