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Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4699	Posted - 2016.02.15 02:35:02 - [211] - Quote NovaCat13 wrote: Demica Diaz wrote: Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling. I know those feels... Like over a billion SP were lost? Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4699	Posted - 2016.02.15 02:46:33 - [212] - Quote Gabriel Karade wrote: probably should have introduced a logarithmic function, rather than simple thresholds, to the quantity of SP transferred per injector for a given starting SP. Edit: If that guy now bio-massed the character, just to 'burn' all of those SP from the joint 'pool' I'd actually then be impressed... He burned way, way more creating that Frankenstein. To go from 80 million SP to 473,344,000 he burned 1,180,032,000 SP. He probably came damn close to burning 3x the SP he has. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4699	Posted - 2016.02.15 02:47:55 - [213] - Quote Gunner GzR wrote: For me it takes away from the time you put into Eve.. Used to be you had to play for years to get a lot of sp now well you dont so it takes away all the time you have put into the game.. Just a money grab for ccp really. Well, I suppose you could think of it this way, wiht 1.2-1.4 billion less SP total in the game...the SP in your character just became more valuable. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4699	Posted - 2016.02.15 02:56:19 - [214] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ashterothi wrote: No new SP was added to the system, and billions has been removed from the system.... SP farms take a little time to setup. They can't add this back. Training is a linear function of time and number of characters (lets skip remapping and implants). What this character represents is a shift to another growth line that is lower yet parallel to the initial growth and this shift is permanent. So, SP farms will not alter the fact that somewhere around 1.3-1.4 billion SP were permanently sunk out of the game. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
NovaCat13 Seymourus and Co. 105	Posted - 2016.02.15 02:57:12 - [215] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: NovaCat13 wrote: Demica Diaz wrote: Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling. I know those feels... Like over a billion SP were lost? No, just that EVE is different now, not in a bad way, just different and it's a weird feeling. It's almost what Mr Epeen said a few posts further up; Quote: Most new people coming from other MMOs can't wrap their coddled little carebear brains around the difference between SP and experience. My coddled little brain is wrapped around the fact that EVE's skill progression was different and was equally harsh to everyone, but now there's a fast track. It's not quite like grinding in other MMOs but it does change the perception on skills. I do like the sink that was created here though.
S'Way 1358	Posted - 2016.02.15 02:57:38 - [216] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: There are a huge amount of bad reviews for EVE left on many sites around the net. Go to any review site and you are guaranteed to find someone crying about not being able to catch up to vets. I'm waiting to see the first bad review telling us how they tried this game called EvE and for just a few thousand dollars you can now reach level cap in a day. Monoclegate gave the reviewers a fine time, so I fully expect to see at least one reviewer without a clue going "level cap token in most mmo's is a few dollars but it's a few thousand or grind for years in EvE !" I hope CCP (or maybe Chribba if eveboard could pull data on it ?) gives us some statistics on how many SP's have been lost from the overall capsuleer pool total with the diminishing returns total on injecting. Would also be interesting to see the SP average distribution of characters now compared to before injectors (how many 20-50m characters have been lobotomised to feed high SP mains etc).
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3767	Posted - 2016.02.15 02:57:42 - [217] - Quote Another way CCP could have done a limit: Everyone has a "cerebral limit" on their SP. The limit starts at something sort of large, say 10 million. For each character, the limit increases at the maximum possible training rate, which I think I heard is 2700 SP per hour. You cannot inject SP over your cerebral limit. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4699	Posted - 2016.02.15 03:05:52 - [218] - Quote Zappity wrote: The 1.8T it cost to accomplish this effectively meaningless gesture has been distributed much more widely. This is a good thing. Hmmmm...wonder if we'll see some inflation as a result of skill injectors.... Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4699	Posted - 2016.02.15 03:12:11 - [219] - Quote S'Way wrote: Pix Severus wrote: There are a huge amount of bad reviews for EVE left on many sites around the net. Go to any review site and you are guaranteed to find someone crying about not being able to catch up to vets. I'm waiting to see the first bad review telling us how they tried this game called EvE and for just a few thousand dollars you can now reach level cap in a day. Monoclegate gave the reviewers a fine time, so I fully expect to see at least one reviewer without a clue going "level cap token in most mmo's is a few dollars but it's a few thousand or grind for years in EvE !" I hope CCP (or maybe Chribba if eveboard could pull data on it ?) gives us some statistics on how many SP's have been lost from the overall capsuleer pool total with the diminishing returns total on injecting. Would also be interesting to see the SP average distribution of characters now compared to before injectors (how many 20-50m characters have been lobotomised to feed high SP mains etc). 1.8 trillion ISK is a bit more than a few thousand....more like....$30,000. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4699	Posted - 2016.02.15 03:19:17 - [220] - Quote S'Way wrote: Pix Severus wrote: There are a huge amount of bad reviews for EVE left on many sites around the net. Go to any review site and you are guaranteed to find someone crying about not being able to catch up to vets. I'm waiting to see the first bad review telling us how they tried this game called EvE and for just a few thousand dollars you can now reach level cap in a day. Monoclegate gave the reviewers a fine time, so I fully expect to see at least one reviewer without a clue going "level cap token in most mmo's is a few dollars but it's a few thousand or grind for years in EvE !" I hope CCP (or maybe Chribba if eveboard could pull data on it ?) gives us some statistics on how many SP's have been lost from the overall capsuleer pool total with the diminishing returns total on injecting. Would also be interesting to see the SP average distribution of characters now compared to before injectors (how many 20-50m characters have been lobotomised to feed high SP mains etc). Chribba's data won't offer a complete picture, and will likely be missing much more at the low end of the spectrum than the high end so it wouldn't give a good picture of an SP distribution. As for SP lost from the game Chribba's data could give us a lower bound for that number. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 304	Posted - 2016.02.15 03:43:29 - [221] - Quote W33b3l wrote: I said this would happen. No one believed. I'm better at seeing patterns then most though. I saw this coming when aurum was introduced. Once you open the door. If memory serves, the money grabs started getting bad again after Soundwave left. You can argue this isn't as bad as it seems. The joke on you is this is no where the end of it. You allow this crap to happen, it opens the door for more BS that will effect something you care about eventually. There is more game ruining, money grabbing crap to come SOONtm lol, get over yourself dude, everybody saw this coming, the only difference is everybody that knows better know these issue wouldn't matter. do you think the silent majority who understand the actual situation wouldn't speak up if a true P2W comes out? if a legit P2W feature comes, an item like golden ammos or invulnerable mods, that can directly affect the outcome of a fight, then yes, i am gonna quit as well. but this, meh. Just Add Water
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1906	Posted - 2016.02.15 03:47:38 - [222] - Quote The huge bonus is you no longer need to sub when your not able to play. For the past 5 years or more I have kept several characters subbed even during periods I cannot play for real life reasons for several months - just becasue of SP. Starting in two days time I will be totally unsubbed on all characters for the first time since about 2010. The reason I can now do this is I can come back in a few months and throw ISK at my various alts and catch up.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 738	Posted - 2016.02.15 05:14:32 - [223] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: The huge bonus is you no longer need to sub when your not able to play. For the past 5 years or more I have kept several characters subbed even during periods I cannot play for real life reasons for several months - just becasue of SP. Starting in two days time I will be totally unsubbed on all characters for the first time since about 2010. The reason I can now do this is I can come back in a few months and throw ISK at my various alts and catch up. I guess that's a perk but not one I'd be selling. The game needs more people in space. No stories or legends are being told by people who aren't involved. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 489	Posted - 2016.02.15 05:45:24 - [224] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I begin to think that Skill Injectors are a cash grab before CCP sells EVE to Perfect World, EA or some other company that can squeeze out the last blood from a stone. Yea it makes since. I mean the guys at CCP can't really be this incompetent unless they fully intended on bleeding the last ounce of life out of this game while they still can. Not to mention the Devs silence in those DevBlogs. Either they are trying to bleed this game out then shut down development of Eve and focus entirely on Valkyrie or it is as you say. Also the new camera angles remind me of EA typical game effects.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 738	Posted - 2016.02.15 06:05:05 - [225] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I begin to think that Skill Injectors are a cash grab before CCP sells EVE to Perfect World, EA or some other company that can squeeze out the last blood from a stone. Yea it makes since. I mean the guys at CCP can't really be this incompetent unless they fully intended on bleeding the last ounce of life out of this game while they still can. Not to mention the Devs silence in those DevBlogs. Either they are trying to bleed this game out then shut down development of Eve and focus entirely on Valkyrie or it is as you say. Also the new camera angles remind me of EA typical game effects. Okay let's real talk here for a minute. They hired an EA manager because working for EA means you know how to play in the big time. They might be squeezing blood from a stone right now but to be fair they're mostly capitalising on the people who we affectionately know as whales anyway. Jump in, blow $400 on stuff and then get pwnd and leave. Same cycle just doubled down. It's cynical but that's business. You're assuming they'd switch off the servers while you still pay $12/month? Really? They'd actively kill $5mil a month for what reason? To be perfectly fair and honest counting for inflation you're paying less for eve year on year and them not raising the sub fee is costing them money - for our benefit only. Are they switching over to a semi-F2P model to compensate for that last point? Duh. Yes. And WOW has woken up to this as well after raping their customers wallets for $15 a month for 10 years. The silence from devs you mention is a tactic deliberately employed by companies who do not want to defend their behaviour. Jim Sterling recently pointed this out in one of his videos but I've observed the tactic for many years previously while I beta tested bf2/2142 and lastly WAR for EA. As recently as that failed enterprise they were using the old cold shoulder trick to suffocate dissatisfaction and while it's reprehensible to see CCP now use it I can understand why - because it's effective. My sub expires in April, when does yours? Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Professor Humbert Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 13	Posted - 2016.02.15 06:05:32 - [226] - Quote Although I have yet to find an urgent need for an injector, I like the idea because we now have a legit way to completely destroy some SP's from the game. Already bunch of injectors destroyed Doesn't an Extractor extract 500,000 SP flat?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4699	Posted - 2016.02.15 06:09:22 - [227] - Quote Professor Humbert wrote: Although I have yet to find an urgent need for an injector, I like the idea because we now have a legit way to completely destroy some SP's from the game. Already bunch of injectors destroyed Doesn't an Extractor extract 500,000 SP flat? Yes, an injector must have 500,000 SP. No more, no less. So blowing one up means that those SP leave the game, permanently. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Indahmawar Fazmarai 4748	Posted - 2016.02.15 07:56:50 - [228] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Another way CCP could have done a limit: Everyone has a "cerebral limit" on their SP. The limit starts at something sort of large, say 10 million. For each character, the limit increases at the maximum possible training rate, which I think I heard is 2700 SP per hour. You cannot inject SP over your cerebral limit. Well before the SP issue was discussed, I suggested to "borrow" SP so a player could insta-skill certain SPs but at a price of greatly diminished SP acquisition until his total SP matched what he would had gained "naturally". Like "take 500,000 SP now, but have 1/10th acquisition rate until they're paid back". Obviously I think it would have been a lesser evil and a more coherent way to implement fast skilling, but CCP apparently can't make a better game so they started selling it in a different way. CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now". 62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?" CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
Abannan Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 109	Posted - 2016.02.15 09:17:13 - [229] - Quote What does it matter though, except the fact of "oh i'm poor I can't afford to do this"
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 44505	Posted - 2016.02.15 09:27:04 - [230] - Quote Abannan wrote: What does it matter though, except the fact of "oh i'm poor I can't afford to do this" For me, there are all the individual mechanics that are each something tangible about the game. But then there's a deeper quality that they produce when they all come together. It's more of an intangible quality that creates an attraction (and commitment) to the game. When the mechanics change, so does that additional quality. Sometimes it's good. Sometimes it isn't. In this case, it feels like something about the overall quality of the game has been lost and now the genie is out of the bottle, there's no mechanics changes that will be able bring that back. Sort of difficult to explain and nothing to do with the ability to afford it. It's more emotional than financial. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4706	Posted - 2016.02.15 09:32:31 - [231] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Abannan wrote: What does it matter though, except the fact of "oh i'm poor I can't afford to do this" For me, there are all the individual mechanics that are each something tangible about the game. But then there's a deeper quality that they produce when they all come together. It's more of an intangible quality that creates an attraction (and commitment) to the game. When the mechanics change, so does that additional quality. Sometimes it's good. Sometimes it isn't. In this case, it feels like something about the overall quality of the game has been lost and now the genie is out of the bottle, there's no mechanics changes that will be able bring that back. Sort of difficult to explain and nothing to do with the ability to afford it. It's more emotional than financial. So when this guy is primaried and podded again and again just because....that will mean what? Keep in mind this player has spent the equivalent of $30,000 to get his 1 character to maxe in everything, but he'll die again and again to a small gang of characters with 1/10th his SP. Unless he gangs up he is going to be everyone's favorite target. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Adeline Rais Rais Industries and Research Incorporated 7	Posted - 2016.02.15 09:41:26 - [232] - Quote I find all this very hard to stomach. Won't somebody think of the children!?
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 44505	Posted - 2016.02.15 09:44:53 - [233] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: So when this guy is primaried and podded again and again just because....that will mean what? Keep in mind this player has spent the equivalent of $30,000 to get his 1 character to maxe in everything, but he'll die again and again to a small gang of characters with 1/10th his SP. Unless he gangs up he is going to be everyone's favorite target. I don't know. Does he ever undock? I don't mind him (or me if it was me) becoming New Eden's Most Wanted. That would be a kind of fun list to be on. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1923	Posted - 2016.02.15 10:26:23 - [234] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: Another way CCP could have done a limit: Everyone has a "cerebral limit" on their SP. The limit starts at something sort of large, say 10 million. For each character, the limit increases at the maximum possible training rate, which I think I heard is 2700 SP per hour. You cannot inject SP over your cerebral limit. Well before the SP issue was discussed, I suggested to "borrow" SP so a player could insta-skill certain SPs but at a price of greatly diminished SP acquisition until his total SP matched what he would had gained "naturally". Like "take 500,000 SP now, but have 1/10th acquisition rate until they're paid back". Obviously I think it would have been a lesser evil and a more coherent way to implement fast skilling, but CCP apparently can't make a better game so they started selling it in a different way. The problem with mechanics like that is that they're long term, and based on the numbers even short term non-factors. The only time it's useful is when whatever number of SP granted achieves some certain milestone which is somehow important enough to significantly delay the next one, and further expend some level of expense for it as required. I can certainly see the draw of this mechanic while not feeling personally enticed to use it, your idea though I wonder what's the point. Getting a weeks worth of SP while gaining close to nothing the prior seems worse than just trudging along at a 1x pace, which of course would only work to increase frustration with waiting on skills. At that point there's room to argue for not changing the system at all since over time the effects are more superficial than anything else. But if you're of the opinion that any good change has to be merely a superficial deviationfrom what was prior (and further doesn't actually do anything save make training feel that much worse for a period of time) I can see how casting aspersions seems justified.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2531	Posted - 2016.02.15 12:06:05 - [235] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: EVE is not what you are thinking it is. Its just an experiment, social experiment. They are testing adaptation of human mind to quickly changing environment. The winner will get all icelandic exotic dancers and a ton of hakarl. Not any more. CCP has become a large part of Iceland's economy and they have a greater responsibility to the community around them than messing with a bunch of people online. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 318	Posted - 2016.02.15 12:38:00 - [236] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: So when this guy is primaried and podded again and again just because....that will mean what? Keep in mind this player has spent the equivalent of $30,000 to get his 1 character to maxe in everything, but he'll die again and again to a small gang of characters with 1/10th his SP. Unless he gangs up he is going to be everyone's favorite target. I don't know. Does he ever undock? I don't mind him (or me if it was me) becoming New Eden's Most Wanted. That would be a kind of fun list to be on. I doubt it was done as a playable character. I think it was done just because it could be. I'd have done same if I had his kind of isk, just to prove a point. I'd been saying for sometime that I think there needed to be a hard cap to protect those high level sp characters. Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2531	Posted - 2016.02.15 12:42:34 - [237] - Quote Avvy wrote: ... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids I will be voting for Xenuria because... Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 5214	Posted - 2016.02.15 12:45:19 - [238] - Quote No, they cant have anything they want. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2475	Posted - 2016.02.15 12:48:52 - [239] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Avvy wrote: ... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have. i cant buy a Polaris with 99% resists across the board for rl money though, that would be real p2w "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 1069	Posted - 2016.02.15 12:50:45 - [240] - Quote So what? Kid's still awful in space. Not today spaghetti.

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