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CCP Arkanon
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:14:00 -
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Answers #4
Originally by: Ashis This has the potential to restore some faith in CCP that I have lost, given time, and visible action. A few questions to our new director of internal affairs:
1) Many issue exists around not only what is seen in the logs, but also the less tangible and as equally damaging issues that have up to now been suspicious. Hypothetical case (so as not to breach the EULA by discussing specifics) - if I am a Dev player on Team speak with a corp mate and mention something as off handed as, "If I were you I would sell that BPO before the next patch." --- I appreciate how difficult it is for you to prove/discover something like that. Instead of being reactive - how do you proactively facilitate a corporate culture where these issues become turned away from at the employee level?
2) Given the banning of whistle-blowing players in the past - what kind of system of amnesty/protection are you going to offer for players that may have lots of information, but are too afraid now to step forward with it? Lets face it, CCP isn't exactly approachable at this point. How also does this translate into forum censorship and bannings?
3) What are the limits of your powers? Can you ban Hellmar? (Not that I'm suggesting Hellmar needs a banning - but lets face it, if Oveur had an indiscretion or 2 I wouldn't want to do anything about it).
4) What process/flags will a petitioned issue need to have in order to get to you? For example, in the heat of this controversy one of the goons mentioned that a CCP ship was flying around scouting - would that automatically come to you or would it need to be escalated first?
5) Releasing information -- recognizing there is a balance between what the players want to know, and what they legal can know, as well as what it is in CCPs best interest for them to know -- but also keeping in mind that silent justice isn't going to do anything new... what kind of report can you give to the community? Can you say something like "this week/month 47 allegations were made against CCP employees. 10 of them were what I would consider issues with enough initial substance to investigate. 1 of them was found to be true. It was very low impact. That employee has been terminated." ... I think that would be good for the community *and* CCP employees.
6) Will CCP institute a zero-policy towards Devs/GMs cheating going forward? If not, what do you forsee as the exceptions? Why are these exceptions necessary if employees are being warned and trained as they walk through your door on the first day?
Thank you CCP for this step. This issue has been weighing heavily on me - no one likes "feeling like the fool." I sincerely hope that the actions and follow through continue.
Hoo boy, this is a lot of stuff.
1) I think I addressed that to some extent already. Reasonable suspicion will find it's way to me, believe me.
2) I have to say this: We have never banned a player for giving us a lead to possible inhouse disciplinary problems and we never will. I guarantee immunity for anyone approaching us with such information, but note that information is the key word. Hearsay and conjecture can rarely be substantiated.
3) I can ban Hellmar, yes. And the entire company can ban me.
4) Petitions about staff misconduct are always escalated to Senior GM, unless an obvious explanation is found to the petition, in which case it is communicated to the petitioner. If the Senior GM confirms that somethign untoward may be happening, he/she notifies me.
5) I doubt that a report like the one you propose will become reality, we'll see.
6) We have a zero tolerance policy, yes. Minor breaches of EULA/TOS rules will result in the same action a player might expect, account warnings and account bans. Breach of inhouse rules will be treated as employee misconduct.
/me goes to get hollow Khuumak full of beer.
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Nuska
Amarr Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vily 10) None? once they found him out they punished him and figured it was over.
I think the issue may be that deleting (renaming?) a cheating devs toons doesn't seem like a whole lot of punishment to some, considering that there are plenty of "spare" toons in any alliance, and that characters are freely available for ISK or real world cash.
I can't speak for others, but what will make me happy as a customer is a CCP policy that will forbid CCP employees from being members in player owned corporations.
I realize that CCP employees want to play the game, they can do so in NPC corps. I also realize that devs need to play to test things out, they can do so on SiSi where they can spawn all the stuff they need/want without to affect the balance of the TQ game.
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vily
Originally by: Baun More Rambling
1)They Aren't going to tell us.
If they aren't going to be even remotely transparent about something that has already happened how can we trust them when they say they will be transparent in the future?
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2) Because they missed it
Actually this is completely unclear. They have refused to state clearly whether they knew about it at the time. If anything they have implied that they knew and simply were stupid in not removing them.
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3) Because its not good publicity to incite a bigger riot than you already have
People had and still have a right to know about this. CCP tells its customers through ingame news about far less important stuff. They caused this problem so how can not wanting to let more people knowing about it be an excuse for not wanting to "incite a bigger riot"?
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4) Because it only incites flaming and trolling.
Isn't that why we have forum moderators who are tasked with controlling specific trolling and flaming posts? Are you trying to say that any discussion of this incident is neccesarily a troll or a flame?
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5) I think your mistaken, but CCP could expand it a bit
I am not mistaken. kieron disclaimed CCP knowledge of a game mechanic that not only 1000s of players know about, but that t20 himself was adminsitering and is a completely inevitable result of the way in which they themselves instituted jump drives. They also disclaimed any knowledge that t20 may have had about the very things his corp tasked him with doing and the very same things made clear on his corp forums. They lied to us. Maybe kieron was only transmitting someone else's lie, but I don't find that to be of much comfort.
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6) read K's blog. he was banned for 16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users. FIRST. the other part secondly.
First, you make the mistake of assuming that because the supposed EULA violations were listed in numerical order that one was primary over the other ones.
Second, there is no explanation of how he actually did what is being claimed in that violation.
Third, the other violation you did not list is the same as some other people have down and have not been banned for.
Fourth, you cannot, with a straight face, actually claim that CCP's desire to shut K up and otherwise get vegneance did not motivate his banning. What I am trying to draw out of this is yet another indication of CCP's impropriety in the whole manner not an argument that there may not have been any reaso to ban him whatsoever.
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7) Regarding what?
They suspend some people for account sharing. They do not suspend others. They suspend some people for minute violations and information disclosure. They do not suspend others.
There is very little consistency in how they apply the EULA. I am not making a charge of explicit favoritism here, but I would like some indication that there is an overriding policy for how and when it is invoked to justify a ban. What they do now seems almost completely random (almost as random as GM reimbursement).
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8) They have, it was not well done. He's here now
They haven't made any active effort to watch over ISD people. They cheat continuously and are only stopped when the community figures it out and reports them.
Furthermore, Arkanon has not even talked about whether it is his purview to regulate them and how he is going to do that.
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9) I could not understand this question
The question meant that all of these questions are things CCP knows already. Hiring someone to answer them is disingenuous.
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10) None? once they found him out they punished him and figured it was over.
So why did they claim to be investigating?
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Fabienne Runestar
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: MuthaTrucka So let's get this straight GM Ark was part of the Team that investigated T20 in the summer. They didn't catch the BPOs then it was merely a Dev outing case. So 7 months later T20 Confesses as he was caught in a lie from the last incident? We are told we can get a hold of the senior CCP personnel by Email but Ark couldn't in the summer.
The Guy who bungled the investigation in summer now has the Job full time? The Guy who lied during the investigation got a promotion and "Punished" at the time? And this Makes me happy how?
QFT!
Sorry Ark i want to believe your going to make things different. But I can't see it. Someone from outside CCP would be far better in your position than someone from within.
There are still many many aquisations that are not even brushed apon by CCP it's very sad.
Lets forget SirMolle, he's probably a favored son so he probably got a forum ban for revealing, Kug's info. Dianabolic is probably kissing cousins to some lead Dev, so he too got a forum ban for a day for actually announcing he called Kug's work place and tried to get him fired.
Lets forget that ISD did nothing to these posts at first, because they were 'Bob posts'
Lets forget GMs searching out POSs right before an enemy of that POS attacks it.
Lets forget that when someone posted screen shots of Bob's newest toy purchased with proceeds from stolen BPOs the thread got 'locked' only after 3 pages, yet the forums were being scoured by the same ISD who were looking for any dissenting voices, and locking them after 3-4 posts.
Lets forget my last sig disappeared from my account without any comments. I thought it was a 'mistake' on my part so I put it back. Took Hutch to comment it out when he removed it. At least he had the courtesy to do that, not just remove it completely.
Ark you got a lot of work to do, and I don't envy you one bit, but I don't think your the right person for the job either. So prove me wrong. Get this ship away from the iceberg it has hit, steer it back to the game of Eve that I signed back up to play.
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CCP Arkanon
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:31:00 -
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Answers 5
Originally by: Mal Renolds Im not sure if this is belief or is this the new policy ? When you are hired by CCP IMO you lose your right to "win eve" your there to play to make it better for us the player not your corp/alliance
So policy or personal belief?
A bit of both. I would certainly question it if any one person in the company was in a pivotal position of absolute power in EVE. That said, normal gameplay is fair game for us and as with much of EVE you can't really define this easily and say 'When you do this, you've gone too far', in regards to EVE politics. It's a judgement call which I'm here to make.
We need to have some developers involved in high level gameplay, otherwise the game will suffer. Active monitoring will at least ensure internal dialogue about this and in my experience, that goes a long way towards keeping everyone in line.
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SPIONKOP
Caldari Under The Edge
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:35:00 -
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A privacy policy and transparancy can never work. If i report a crime to the police then I will get some feedback. Your privacy policy will prevent any form of feedback and without this people simply won't be arsed reporting anything. You need to consider this. A bland automail "Thanks for your report, appropriate action will be taken following an investigation if required", means sod all.
You also need to give feedback where nothing was proved. Whilst you can control your forums with an iron fist, you can not control external forums. You should monitor these just as much as your own. Mud sticks and the innocent should be cleared just as much as the guilty punished.
Cheating happens in all forms of life and the "inside job" would be hard to prove. Sure checking internal logs is one thing but checking personal SMS/VOIP/TS/VENT/EMAIL/IM etc is imposible.
I am sure you will do you best but many cheats will lurk well below your radar.
There are still a lot of unanswered questions and the longer they remain unanswered the more people will speculate. You really should re-consider your position on privacy, maybe with the agreement of all parties concerned.
Good Luck.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Arkanon Answers 5
Originally by: Mal Renolds Im not sure if this is belief or is this the new policy ? When you are hired by CCP IMO you lose your right to "win eve" your there to play to make it better for us the player not your corp/alliance
So policy or personal belief?
A bit of both. I would certainly question it if any one person in the company was in a pivotal position of absolute power in EVE. That said, normal gameplay is fair game for us and as with much of EVE you can't really define this easily and say 'When you do this, you've gone too far', in regards to EVE politics. It's a judgement call which I'm here to make.
We need to have some developers involved in high level gameplay, otherwise the game will suffer. Active monitoring will at least ensure internal dialogue about this and in my experience, that goes a long way towards keeping everyone in line.
Will you address the issue of a lead GM being in BoB and also being responsible for the tournament that has delivered so many highend ships to BoB?
Not saying something inappropriate went on, but the perception is certainly there.
Or in other words, is your job simply to address misconduct, or also to work to prevent even the possible perception of misconduct?
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Arkanon Answers 5
We need to have some developers involved in high level gameplay, otherwise the game will suffer. Active monitoring will at least ensure internal dialogue about this and in my experience, that goes a long way towards keeping everyone in line.
Answer me this what is High level play? Does that include the meta gaming? Out of game actions? Does CCP Condone the DB Dumping of Forums by players for in game use? How do you judge a Dev in High Level play that will Ignore blatant EULA violations, Everyone at that level does them, is CCP silently Condoning it? Is the EULA going to be reviewed and Changed? Will people be retroactively reimbursed for the changes?
This is a can of never ending worms. For the most part will the EULA be Enforced against EVERYONE fairly?
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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CCP Arkanon
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sm0kE Hi Arkanon.
How will you handle things like... I don't know, BoB showing up at a POS and targetting through the POS shields using passive targetters shortly after a patch was released? In otherwords, clear inside information cases that you have no way to prove indefinately?
The BPOs really don't bother me. The information one can get from a dev player is much more powerful.
All I can say is report it. We'll look into it.
Arkanon
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Commander Spectre
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:38:00 -
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I find this whole affair outrageous. Here I am working hard to make gains in this game the honest and fair way like so many others and now I hear that a GM is giving a HUGE adavntage to his buddies. And not only that, he is giving stuff to the biggest alliance in the game! BoB has pretty much sewn up the game. They have, for all intents and purposes, won eve and the rest of us are only fooling ourselves into thinking we have any chance to catch up to them. And since CCP is not willing to release all the details of this scandal, it is apparent that it goes much deeper than reported. How many other advantages do they hand out to thier friends in B0B? If CCP was truly interested in Justice they would immediatly dissband BoB and distrubute thier assets on the market or to the thousands of players that work hard without the help of shady GMs. Anything less is admiting that cheating is allowed as long as you are a good friend to a GM. As for thier GM that they just can't seem to live without, he should be assigned to a job in CCP where he is only trusted with access to a broom and mop to better clean up his and CCPs messes in the future. To the ones that were in BoB and did not cheat, I'm sorry you got drug into this by others that had no respect for you or your abilities and felt the only way to advance in the game was by stepping on you and your reputation. Cheaters never stop to think how it will affect the ones around them, thier greed is focused on thier desire.
So CCP, it's up to you. Either you show that you are going to make this right, or you hide in the shadows and prove to us all that unless you are in BoB you haven't got a chance in the tilted game.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Arkanon
Originally by: Sm0kE Hi Arkanon.
How will you handle things like... I don't know, BoB showing up at a POS and targetting through the POS shields using passive targetters shortly after a patch was released? In otherwords, clear inside information cases that you have no way to prove indefinately?
The BPOs really don't bother me. The information one can get from a dev player is much more powerful.
All I can say is report it. We'll look into it.
Arkanon
And also please answer the question whether you are in BoB ingame or have ever been in BoB. I think, considering the circumstances of your appointment to this position, we are entitled to an answer on that.
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 13/02/2007 22:38:02
Originally by: CCP Arkanon
2) I have to say this: We have never banned a player for giving us a lead to possible inhouse disciplinary problems and we never will. I guarantee immunity for anyone approaching us with such information, but note that information is the key word. Hearsay and conjecture can rarely be substantiated.
i assume you mean 'permanet ban' rather then simply banning. what does this mean for kugutsumen? he's pretty disgusted at eve atm.
edit- i'm really happy that the last responce wasnt really "THE last responce" from CCP about this whole thing, and that they have someone answering the questions around here. i'm still wary about anything anyone says but time will tell, i suppose.
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Inmate 19225004
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gulkan Djinn
SirMolle is documented as having posted the Kugutsumen characters RL information as well as threats of RL action outside of appropriate reporting to the authorities, but as far as I can tell, there was no permanent ban.
Is this the sort of decision that you will be reviewing? If so, how are you going to make it transparent to the community that favoritism wasn't expressed in the decision making process for two different results occurring for the same causal action?
Well?
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:42:00 -
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Talk about counter quote
1) I think they have said that they aren't going to be transparent about THIS SUBJECT. (punishment) I could be wrong. I would love to know though 2) A simpler answer from the man would be good I can't disagree 3) If people wanted to learn they had no trouble finding the threads. It makes no sense to me why you would see this as a good move. 4) Not at all, but as it ends up half of the posts on the topic end up as flaming and trolling with very little debate. BOD! cheaters! etc. etc. 5) If keiron said HE didn't know i doubt he did. t20 knew for sure. 6) a) correct, but does not mean my assumption is wrong either B) it means he caused a ****storm which he did. C) the difference was in what they said. I would love if you could link or describe both posts and compare them. D) they SHOULD have banned him straight off, had they wanted to shut him up banning him seems counter-productive. Which i would hope they would have understood. 7) You are comparing from heresy. provide me with proof and I will listen to this arguement. 8) im sure some people in ISD would disagree. more clarity is welcomed from CCP on this though. 9) so its not a question then? 10) They had to re-investigate im assuming. New evidence usually does that in RL cases.
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Novina Agrari
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:44:00 -
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Greetings, Arkanon! Congrats on your new position (I assume it's new, anyway), and for the encouraging replies so far.
A few questions from me. I'm sure you're going to have a ton from other people, so if you don't get to these I understand. Naturally I'd appreciate it. But, here goes!
* Who do you report to within CCP? I'm not asking specifically for a name necessarily. But you were hired for the position you're in, so even though you oversee and handle internal affairs, you naturally have a boss of your own.
* Are there any different rules for what constitutes cheating from a dev versus cheating from a normal paying customer? Little remedial things are natural - I don't expect that the devs have to pay a monthly fee for their account(s). But can they create pre-skilled characters for their in-game use? Spawn themselves items? Alter/fake their corp histories?
* What happens if you do find a dev cheating at the game? I'm talking primarily in terms of penalties here, particularly in-game ones. Do they lose all of their characters/have to utterly start over? Lose only the character they were caught cheating with? Something else?
* This is likely the most difficult question I can ask. Is it against CCP rules for a dev's character to reveal himself as a dev to ANYone in game? Obviously they personally don't like it when their characters become common knowledge throughout the playerbase. But frankly, the moment a character says 'I'm (devname's) character' to anyone else in game.. the results are game-altering. People can become intimidated, or worse, buddy-buddy suckups who give that person preferential treatment in a corp in hopes of same. Of course there are exceptions - devs may know each other's characters. You certainly know who they play, and you play the game. Where's the line drawn? Is there a line?
Thanks, and I hope you enjoy your new job.
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CCP Arkanon
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Khorian Good job CCP, and good luck Ark with your new position. I think you just need to remind the employees that they have the best job in the world, and it would be stupid to risk it for cheating in a videogame.
For serious, you hear that, folks!
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CCP Arkanon
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: SonOTassadar Dang. You sound like the guy that nobody ever wants to see, because if they see you, it's bad news. Good luck.
PS: One of you devs needs to get Abraxas pinned down and poor salt in his eyes for being so late on the new chronicle.
You read his chronicles right? He'd probably like that (brrrr)
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Baron Oxes
Hypermagic Mountain
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:48:00 -
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A little bit of transparency goes a long way :) Best of luck to you Arkanon and thank you for your honesty so far in answering everyone's questions, it's good to see the community and CCP trying to move on together.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vily Talk about counter quote.
Hey Vily, no one asked YOU.
Arkanon, I too would like to see these questions answered within your ability to do so.
Originally by: Baun
They could start by explaining; 1)*exactly* what happened with t20 and what his punishment was (or at least why he was apparently promoted during the time between the actual incident and its being revealed). 2) Why they didnt remove the BPOs when they first knew about them almost 7 months ago. 3) Why they did not make an ingame news posting with the dev blogs and systematically locked down any attempt to discuss the incident in other parts of the forum. 4) Why they have now closed the only real place we had to discuss it even on these forums and have entered "white wash mode". 5) Why kieron lied to us in his answers (specifically with reference to the cynonet; CCP's ignorance of the concept and their claim of t20 having no knowledge of any other cheating/EULA violtions other than his own). 6) Why K has been banned for activity that other characters have not been banned for and why CCP is protecting those characters. 7) Why they selectively enforce their EULA seemingly at random. 8) Why they have never made any effort to guard against ISD cheating. 9) Why despite all of these questions that they have answers to their means of addressing them is to promote someone else to find answers. 10) What kind of investigation into t20's cheating they were running when they already had full knowledge of the incident.
Further.. why does LV still have their ill gotten Hel Mothership?
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NereSky
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:49:00 -
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I have to admit that my faith and trust is badly shaken and ill forever look at certain entities within Eve with suspicion sadly, but my experience of GM's in petition fairness and consistancy in decision making has been also shaken, q1)will there by a standard decision on petitions and will u be conducting audits of decisions randomly? q2)can we have fair forum moderation in future , a even hand rather tahn a heavy hand in certain quarters? q3)is there going to be random audits of Developer player accounts to ensure fairness and no impropierty has occured and will these be logged? q4)Is the in game rules going to be re-drawn to reflect the obvious inconsistancies and past failings of CCP and its staff to enforce it fairly and equally?
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Poolpy
dev zero
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sephiraa
Further.. why does LV still have their ill gotten Hel Mothership?
Good question... I would really check the isd/event volunteers, because it seem that info leak are so easy to do and unfairly helping alliances that have inner connections with them.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Arkanon
Originally by: Khorian Good job CCP, and good luck Ark with your new position. I think you just need to remind the employees that they have the best job in the world, and it would be stupid to risk it for cheating in a videogame.
For serious, you hear that, folks!
Why are you ignoring certain questions and only responding to silly comments?
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.13 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vily
7) You are comparing from heresy. provide me with proof and I will listen to this arguement.
I have seen someone banned for account sharing after someone hacked his account and in the investigation the GM found that he had sent his password to someone via evemail.
I have seen people who openly admitted to account sharing not banned when the two primary characters were reported straight through to the GMs.
Of course, we have a dev with intimate knowledge of who shared accounts and none of those people have been banned.
This is just one example. I would just like a straight response on what the policy for enforcing the EULA is. Everyone who has played this game since near release knows how inconsistent they have been.
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8) im sure some people in ISD would disagree. more clarity is welcomed from CCP on this though.
I am on the other hand sure that everyone in ISD who is even remotely honest would agree with me on this matter, as of course would the first Dev to actually go through and cull logs and account activity.
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9) so its not a question then?
I don't think my response to this was very good the first time, I was running out of room in the post.
The question is why CCP hired someone to give answers the already had instead of just giving them themselves. The implication is that that investigation is closed and Arkanon is here for new investigations. My implication is that that investigation has in no way even begun (as far as we can tell and/or have reason to believe).
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10) They had to re-investigate im assuming. New evidence usually does that in RL cases.
So either they knew about the BPOs the whole time and were simply posturing for time when they claimed they were investigating or they were so incompetent as to not bother to check the activities of an outed dev in a position of significant power within a player run alliance of significant power?
The second possibility is unlikely. Kieron implied they knew about the BPOs and simply were foolish not to do anything about it. A clear answer on this would be nice. Then we can know whehter they were absolutely corrupt or merely absolutely incompetent. I am comforted by neither option, but I don't know about you.
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Easy Target
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:01:00 -
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Good luck in your new position. No questions for you, just a hello. :)
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Richard Aiel
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:02:00 -
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Unfortionately I dont expect this to be here long as I already know of one post on this thread thats been censored... so be careful what you say here it WILL have reprecussions.
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Le Pecarosh
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Originally by: toeslammer What can you say to us to allow us to start the trust again?
We have given assurances of as much transparency as possible within the guidelines of the privacy policy, a Dev Blog from the CEO, a number of statements on the forums, an apology from t20 and an introductory blog from the Director of IA. I'm not sure what else you are after.
"Here, I gave you a cookie, I gave you a hug, what else would you want?"
Read your emails, you'll see what people want. To be treated with some decency, and not to be treated like retards and sheep. You have the title "community manager", not "damage control manager".
Good luck Arkanon, you will need it.
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Akyra C
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:07:00 -
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First of this is a trial account, real accounts closed. Reading mr. K. forums i have found 2 pieces of information very disturbing : - Galavet (or something) one of the RKK ceos getting information that Ishos (t20) was petitioned by 'alt character', - A forum user with nick Panos (or something) also provided story about said ceo who sent email to him asking who made some joke post on eve-o boards quoting nick and IP address. So a question to a newly appointed head of IA : How can i trust a company with my personal details and CC number given those facts. When second story maybe an outright lie, first one holds some weight given recent events.
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CCP Arkanon
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nuska
Originally by: Vily 10) None? once they found him out they punished him and figured it was over.
I think the issue may be that deleting (renaming?) a cheating devs toons doesn't seem like a whole lot of punishment to some, considering that there are plenty of "spare" toons in any alliance, and that characters are freely available for ISK or real world cash.
I can't speak for others, but what will make me happy as a customer is a CCP policy that will forbid CCP employees from being members in player owned corporations.
I realize that CCP employees want to play the game, they can do so in NPC corps. I also realize that devs need to play to test things out, they can do so on SiSi where they can spawn all the stuff they need/want without to affect the balance of the TQ game.
But they can't. You can't have a fleet battle on SiSi and you can't make fleet battles better if you've never been in one, to take but one example.
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Obed
Imperial Logistics
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Arkanon *lots of words in numerous posts*
This is a positive step foward
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I have one account and zero alts.
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Nezz Jaran
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Arkanon
Originally by: Sm0kE Hi Arkanon.
How will you handle things like... I don't know, BoB showing up at a POS and targetting through the POS shields using passive targetters shortly after a patch was released? In otherwords, clear inside information cases that you have no way to prove indefinately?
The BPOs really don't bother me. The information one can get from a dev player is much more powerful.
All I can say is report it. We'll look into it.
Arkanon
Not trying to be difficult, but can you give us an idea of what would be done to set things right, in game? Using the above example, if there really was leaked info, how would that be resolved for the victims of the insider information?
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