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Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Natalie Scarlett Mr Director of IA,
I will be honest... I have 0 (zero, nothing, nada) fate in your position and job. Why? Because you told us that who will assign a investigation will be a senior GM/DEV. The "selection/filter" of subject you will investigate will be complete biased... How is possible to imagine that some GM/DEV will handle you a case that the main suspect is GM/DEV? Do you really think that this "suspect" will handle a case that he is the main suspect? Come on... you dont need to be a genius to know that it wont work.
If you're the one being investigated, chances are, you won't be the one handing him the case. What you're saying is a little silly and self-explanatory in nature.
But even if this isn't good enough...I'd like to ask you something, do you have a better idea? Cause you sure didn't provide any alternative. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |
Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:35:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Xenofur
Stuff
Why is kugutsumen banned? Why is SirMolle not banned?
More stuff
Kugutsumen was, as far as I know, banned cause he violated some agreement he had with Kieron and the EULA in doing what he did...although I could be wrong about that.
SirMolle was not banned because...he didn't do anything wrong. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |
Tab'Fren
TBC Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:37:00 -
[273]
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: toeslammer What can you say to us to allow us to start the trust again?
We have given assurances of as much transparency as possible within the guidelines of the privacy policy, a Dev Blog from the CEO, a number of statements on the forums, an apology from t20 and an introductory blog from the Director of IA. I'm not sure what else you are after.
Hiring someone to head the IA process is a great first step (and it's gotta suck to get the job at this time) but that doesn't mean that it's a 'fresh start' from today and we will all just forget the alleged abuses and move on, simply because we were allowed to vent in a thread.
Some measure of transparency is required to ensure the player base that players are treated fairly and without favor, within the constraints of player privacy concerns... because quite frankly CCP still hasn't done enough. Having assurances alone that 'GM Integrity2000' is going to make an effort is just not enough.
CCP doesn't have the luxury of simply being able to assure the player base that 'it's all better now'. T20 'cheated', CCP became aware of his actions... and yet did nothing to remove the advantage provided from such actions. How is having an existing employee head an IA department going to do anything if CCP doesn't take visible (if vague), prompt and appropriate action once the allegations are confirmed true?
CCP has admitted that at least 6 BPOs were obtained in such a manner that they felt compelled to remove them from the game after an ungodly stink was raised... but why were they allowed to remain in game for 8 months? CCP knew about it and yet still did not take appropriate action. So, um, why? How can we possibly trust CCP until they come clean about how they allowed someone to continue to benefit from cheating even after they knew about it?
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Irma Phelbs
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:42:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Gaven Blands I'd like some potential misinformation clearing up.
I thought I would depress myself a bit more and bring myself up to speed on the most recent "Eve: Revelations". Seems like vegeta is a dev too or something, but also there's this inference that people with GM/Dev powers could well be 15 year old males.
No answer on that one? So the organizer of the Alliance Tournament joining the winner shortly after the tournament pass the test of CCP's Code of Ethics?
Will Le Monde get to organize the next tournament too while still being in BoB?
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Naqisaki
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:45:00 -
[275]
CCP doesn't have the luxury of simply being able to assure the player base that 'it's all better now'. T20 'cheated', CCP became aware of his actions... and yet did nothing to remove the advantage provided from such actions. How is having an existing employee head an IA department going to do anything if CCP doesn't take visible (if vague), prompt and appropriate action once the allegations are confirmed true?
There lies the whole issue. Nothing has visibly been done about T20. So you gave him a slap on the wrists a few months back? That's not good enough.
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Ridjeck Thome
The Older Gamers
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:45:00 -
[276]
Originally by: CCP Arkanon Aswers 8
Originally by: Ridjeck Thome Ok Arkanon, welcome to the role.
I have a similar role in real life and my question to you is simple...
Are you required to be independant from alliances and corporations within eve?. I have to sign an annual declaration of indepedance, do you?
my apologies if this has been answered above, but its important and I cant take to tme to read through all of the above - my fault, I know.
Thanks! I don't sign specific oaths to be independent from ingame factions, no. That's almost the whole of my job, anyway. I need to be fair and impartial and I do my best to be so of my own accord.
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good enough welcome to the fraternity..after 14 years doing something similar - my advice...
develop a thick skin and treat trying to find and uncover misdoing and corruption as a mental challenge. The day you sit at your desk smiling smugly as you've outwitted someone doing something wrong and caught them out is the day you graduate
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:46:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Naqisaki CCP doesn't have the luxury of simply being able to assure the player base that 'it's all better now'. T20 'cheated', CCP became aware of his actions... and yet did nothing to remove the advantage provided from such actions. How is having an existing employee head an IA department going to do anything if CCP doesn't take visible (if vague), prompt and appropriate action once the allegations are confirmed true?
There lies the whole issue. Nothing has visibly been done about T20. So you gave him a slap on the wrists a few months back? That's not good enough.
But it's going to have to be good enough...thats the decision they made. It's their choice, not yours. If you want to make something like that your choice, you're going to have to make your own company. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |
Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:49:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Naqisaki CCP doesn't have the luxury of simply being able to assure the player base that 'it's all better now'. T20 'cheated', CCP became aware of his actions... and yet did nothing to remove the advantage provided from such actions. How is having an existing employee head an IA department going to do anything if CCP doesn't take visible (if vague), prompt and appropriate action once the allegations are confirmed true?
There lies the whole issue. Nothing has visibly been done about T20. So you gave him a slap on the wrists a few months back? That's not good enough.
actions were taken. they weren't visible GTF over it. you can't punish someone for something done six months later, to which they have already been punished. -
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Natalie Scarlett
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:50:00 -
[279]
I dont know Cadela if you remember who is the first receive the petitions?
Customer -> GM/Dev -> IA
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:51:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Xenofur Well, i don't know if you noticed, but people are asking exactly why Kugutsumen is banned and why Molle is not banned. I'm pretty sure answering those questions in depth would do a lot to placate people and thus have a thoroughly positive effect on the whole situation.
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Because of what hes said this question will never be answered. "This thread isd not here to discuss specific people and/or specific cases..." I believe was what was said
GAH its like a trainwreck.... I cant pull myself away and leave like I said I was going to >.< THIS IS MY SIG <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets see how long till this post lives... |
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:53:00 -
[281]
"Kugutsumen was, as far as I know, banned cause he violated some agreement he had with Kieron and the EULA in doing what he did...although I could be wrong about that.
SirMolle was not banned because...he didn't do anything wrong."
um... what Im hearing sez this molle guy did the same thing the other dude did just usng the other dude's info THIS IS MY SIG <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets see how long till this post lives... |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:54:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 16:52:05 @ CCP Arkanon:
relevant posts:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=453749&author=SirMolle
Edit: So you don't have to believe eve-search:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=3#78 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=5#132
i'm sure there is more in other places. i have heard mentions of molle actually telling people to call kug's company. might want to look on scrapheap-challenge for that.
make of that what you will. =)
That is posting personal informations?
I this like saying a players is called Mario and live in Italy. I am sure there is someone by that description, but no one will find him by that.
It can be constructed at theratening to expose the name of someone, so worth a warning and maybe a temporary ban but seem hardly whort the fuss on the divulged personal informations.
K. divulging of personal informations was on the same level? If so, a permaban for that is really excessive.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:54:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Natalie Scarlett I dont know Cadela if you remember who is the first receive the petitions?
Customer -> GM/Dev -> IA
Oh don't be stupid..if the one you're wanting to report is a GM and you really dont want any GM to see it, then send it to Kieron, voila, there you go.
If it's Kieron (god forbid), then send it to a GM...there you go - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |
merc999
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:58:00 -
[284]
Araken.
On your ability to do this job.
You told us you were in charge of the T20 and related issues investigation.
In this thread you state
Quote: I said I have not seen any proof that anyone's personal details were posted
Yet in this very thread the proof has been shown, both via eve search links and links to some details still on this website.
Do you feel this lack of observation and inabilty to research in a manner that would have provided the proof that you claim to have not seen will hinder you in future investigations?
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Tab'Fren
TBC Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:02:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Vily actions were taken. they weren't visible GTF over it. you can't punish someone for something done six months later, to which they have already been punished.
I'm not asking for punishment; I'm not asking for blood.
Why did CCP allow someone to continue to benefit from cheating even after they knew about it?
Does everyone understand why that's so important?
Saying 'Oops, we screwed up when we kept the BPOs in-game. The responsible parties have been thoroughly flogged.' is one thing... but CCP hasn't really done that now have they?
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merc999
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:03:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 16:52:05 @ CCP Arkanon:
relevant posts:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=453749&author=SirMolle
Edit: So you don't have to believe eve-search:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=3#78 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=5#132
i'm sure there is more in other places. i have heard mentions of molle actually telling people to call kug's company. might want to look on scrapheap-challenge for that.
make of that what you will. =)
That is posting personal informations?
I this like saying a players is called Mario and live in Italy. I am sure there is someone by that description, but no one will find him by that.
It can be constructed at theratening to expose the name of someone, so worth a warning and maybe a temporary ban but seem hardly whort the fuss on the divulged personal informations.
K. divulging of personal informations was on the same level? If so, a permaban for that is really excessive.
Stating their first name, their surname initial, where they live and their profession is revealing personal information
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CCP Arkanon
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: merc999 Araken.
On your ability to do this job.
You told us you were in charge of the T20 and related issues investigation.
In this thread you state
Quote: I said I have not seen any proof that anyone's personal details were posted
Yet in this very thread the proof has been shown, both via eve search links and links to some details still on this website.
Do you feel this lack of observation and inabilty to research in a manner that would have provided the proof that you claim to have not seen will hinder you in future investigations?
I saw it and saw nothing that warrants ingame attention. A first name and the name of a country is a broad definition of 'private', I'd say. I never said I didn't investigate, just that I had not seen any proof of personal information posted.
That aside, we have a petition system set up to deal with inquiries such as this one and as already stated, I had hoped to keep this thread free of discussion about particular cases and players. Please respect that, petition if you have such an issue.
Thank you,
Arkanon
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Skaz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:06:00 -
[288]
Congrats on the appointment and seeing as you seem to be getting a question with every reply I'm gonna skip asking any (you're doing a great job at answering concerns already ). - -
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Celticjim
Minmatar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:07:00 -
[289]
read pages 1-4, then not from 6-10.
One issue is still outstanding. All is well and good, and congratulations to you for the new role. However, I feel transparency is still missing to help restore or reinstill some of the trust that was lost over the last few weeks.
Specifically, we have someone whom admitted wrongdoing, subsequently some trust issues are raised, and then this new position. However, how are we as players supposed to "give back" this trust to you(rep of CCP) just because you say "trust me." Kind of like the fox guarding the henhouse.
Regardless a positive step, but does it really quell potential ongoing suspicion or assist in rebuilding some of those briges burned during the last few weeks.
Regard CJ
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:08:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 16:52:05 @ CCP Arkanon:
relevant posts:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=453749&author=SirMolle
Edit: So you don't have to believe eve-search:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=3#78 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=5#132
i'm sure there is more in other places. i have heard mentions of molle actually telling people to call kug's company. might want to look on scrapheap-challenge for that.
make of that what you will. =)
That is posting personal informations?
I this like saying a players is called Mario and live in Italy. I am sure there is someone by that description, but no one will find him by that.
It can be constructed at theratening to expose the name of someone, so worth a warning and maybe a temporary ban but seem hardly whort the fuss on the divulged personal informations.
K. divulging of personal informations was on the same level? If so, a permaban for that is really excessive.
please note the last sentence. i am not sure if this under the rules of ccp is enough and i will not judge on that. however, that is the relevant evidence, that was being asked for multiple times by players and arkonor.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:11:00 -
[291]
If you don't want to trust them..don't..no one is forcing you to do so. Quite frankly however, compared to every other gaming community/company out there...I think we're privileged and have a really great amount of luxury surrounding the interaction with the developers/GM's.
I also think people are abusing that a little too harshly..I'm not saying the questions being asked, are unfair or anything...lay off the conspiracy crap though and show a little common courtesy to Arkanon. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |
merc999
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:12:00 -
[292]
Edited by: merc999 on 14/02/2007 20:10:20 so please define what you mean by personal information so we can all understand and not breach the rules in the future
A 30 second search engine search using the parameters in that post and a couple within the context of the controversy led me to his full name and employer.
surely if the idea of having characters to be indentified by, and no personal information, that should mean NO personal information at all revealing a accounts holders first name, initial, employment and where they live is personal information, so where does the line get drawn?
Can I allude to when his birthday is, his marital staus wether he has children.. anything like that.
It seems that the rule of NO personal information has been watered down in this case to allow a well known player to avoid any punishment, maybe you should investigate who decided to loosen the rules for this one particular leader of an alliance... OOps maybe not that was YOU
You sir have just lost any confidence I had in you being fair and unbiased.
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:13:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Xenofur
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 16:52:05 @ CCP Arkanon:
relevant posts:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=453749&author=SirMolle
Edit: So you don't have to believe eve-search:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=3#78 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=5#132
i'm sure there is more in other places. i have heard mentions of molle actually telling people to call kug's company. might want to look on scrapheap-challenge for that.
make of that what you will. =)
That is posting personal informations?
I this like saying a players is called Mario and live in Italy. I am sure there is someone by that description, but no one will find him by that.
It can be constructed at theratening to expose the name of someone, so worth a warning and maybe a temporary ban but seem hardly whort the fuss on the divulged personal informations.
K. divulging of personal informations was on the same level? If so, a permaban for that is really excessive.
please note the last sentence. i am not sure if this under the rules of ccp is enough and i will not judge on that. however, that is the relevant evidence, that was being asked for multiple times by players and arkonor.
your evidence is not evidence, as i said at least a dozen times throughout this thread. And was totally just backed up on. -
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:16:00 -
[294]
Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 14/02/2007 20:10:20 so please define what you mean by personal information so we can all understand and not breach the rules in the future
A 30 second search engine search using the parameters in that post and a couple within the context of the controversy led me to his full name and employer.
surely if the idea of having characters to be indentified by, and no personal information, that should mean NO personal information at all revealing a accounts holders first name, initial, employment and where they live is personal information, so where does the line get drawn?
Can I allude to when his birthday is, his marital staus wether he has children.. anything like that.
It seems that the rule of NO personal information has been watered down in this case to allow a well known player to avoid any punishment, maybe you should investigate who decided to loosen the rules for this one particular leader of an alliance... OOps maybe not that was YOU
You sir have just lost any confidence I had in you being fair and unbiased.
of course he has. He said something you didn't agree with!
he must be baised!
you asked for an answer and you finally got one. Just cause you didn't like it doesn't change anything behind it. -
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merc999
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:18:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 14/02/2007 20:10:20 so please define what you mean by personal information so we can all understand and not breach the rules in the future
A 30 second search engine search using the parameters in that post and a couple within the context of the controversy led me to his full name and employer.
surely if the idea of having characters to be indentified by, and no personal information, that should mean NO personal information at all revealing a accounts holders first name, initial, employment and where they live is personal information, so where does the line get drawn?
Can I allude to when his birthday is, his marital staus wether he has children.. anything like that.
It seems that the rule of NO personal information has been watered down in this case to allow a well known player to avoid any punishment, maybe you should investigate who decided to loosen the rules for this one particular leader of an alliance... OOps maybe not that was YOU
You sir have just lost any confidence I had in you being fair and unbiased.
of course he has. He said something you didn't agree with!
he must be baised!
you asked for an answer and you finally got one. Just cause you didn't like it doesn't change anything behind it.
No I got an answer that said he decided to ignore the rules of these forums, they are not unclear ion any way
Note the operative wrod No posting of personal information
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Novina Agrari
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:19:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Xenofur please note the last sentence. i am not sure if this under the rules of ccp is enough and i will not judge on that. however, that is the relevant evidence, that was being asked for multiple times by players and arkonor.
Seems like Ark answered that at this point - what he's been given just doesn't indicate Molly did anything. If anyone were to have relevant evidence of this, it's Kug, and he'd certainly make it available to not-banned players to make a complaint.
Can't expect Ark to run around searching for the evidence of that kind of wrongdoing. He'd never get peace.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:22:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 14/02/2007 20:10:20 so please define what you mean by personal information so we can all understand and not breach the rules in the future
A 30 second search engine search using the parameters in that post and a couple within the context of the controversy led me to his full name and employer.
surely if the idea of having characters to be indentified by, and no personal information, that should mean NO personal information at all revealing a accounts holders first name, initial, employment and where they live is personal information, so where does the line get drawn?
Can I allude to when his birthday is, his marital staus wether he has children.. anything like that.
It seems that the rule of NO personal information has been watered down in this case to allow a well known player to avoid any punishment, maybe you should investigate who decided to loosen the rules for this one particular leader of an alliance... OOps maybe not that was YOU
You sir have just lost any confidence I had in you being fair and unbiased.
of course he has. He said something you didn't agree with!
he must be baised!
you asked for an answer and you finally got one. Just cause you didn't like it doesn't change anything behind it.
The funny thing is that youre trying to act like yer NOT biased when you so obviously ARE THIS IS MY SIG <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets see how long till this post lives... |
Lars Erlkonig
Caldari Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:25:00 -
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Dear Arkanon, Thanks for answering some of my questions. Was interested to know who handles what, and to get a clearer idea of your roles. My most pressing question and concern however was not answered, so I'll ask again: Why did it take over 6 months for ill gotten BPO's to be removed?
I'm not looking for specific people's information or punishments, what disciplinary actions were taken against individuals, the methodology of finding them, or GM decisions, unless it took 6 months of GM deliberations for them to be removed. By allowing them to stay in the game that long, it makes GM Grimini, GM Ender, and Keiron all look bad; because such action either contradicts their previous statements or makes them look ineffective at their jobs. If it was simple human error, can someone just say so? As IA head, would you at least consider looking into this?
It also seems that many of us have an interest in knowing what CCP's conflict of interest policy is. We have been told that GM's with alts in a corp/alliance are not allowed to handle petitions involding the same. Is there more to it than this? Would IA be willing to allay some of our suspicions by giving us a clearer picture of what those guidelines are?
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:31:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 14/02/2007 20:10:20 so please define what you mean by personal information so we can all understand and not breach the rules in the future
A 30 second search engine search using the parameters in that post and a couple within the context of the controversy led me to his full name and employer.
surely if the idea of having characters to be indentified by, and no personal information, that should mean NO personal information at all revealing a accounts holders first name, initial, employment and where they live is personal information, so where does the line get drawn?
Can I allude to when his birthday is, his marital staus wether he has children.. anything like that.
It seems that the rule of NO personal information has been watered down in this case to allow a well known player to avoid any punishment, maybe you should investigate who decided to loosen the rules for this one particular leader of an alliance... OOps maybe not that was YOU
You sir have just lost any confidence I had in you being fair and unbiased.
of course he has. He said something you didn't agree with!
he must be baised!
you asked for an answer and you finally got one. Just cause you didn't like it doesn't change anything behind it.
The funny thing is that youre trying to act like yer NOT biased when you so obviously ARE
Same could be said about you - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |
Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:35:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Novina Agrari
Originally by: Xenofur please note the last sentence. i am not sure if this under the rules of ccp is enough and i will not judge on that. however, that is the relevant evidence, that was being asked for multiple times by players and arkonor.
Seems like Ark answered that at this point - what he's been given just doesn't indicate Molly did anything. If anyone were to have relevant evidence of this, it's Kug, and he'd certainly make it available to not-banned players to make a complaint.
Can't expect Ark to run around searching for the evidence of that kind of wrongdoing. He'd never get peace.
Sorry, i'm not so skilled in forum camping. At the time i was writing that post i hadn't yet seen Arkonor's reply.
Regarding the reply: While i do not want to accept an "haven't seen evidence", a "the evidence is not strong enough" is fully acceptable, thanks for that. =)
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