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Inmate 19225004 Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:17:00 - [121] Originally by: Obed Originally by: CCP Arkanon lots of words in numerous posts This is a positive step foward But avoiding the ones most desired to be answered.
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:18:00 - [122] Originally by: CCP Arkanon But they can't. You can't have a fleet battle on SiSi and you can't make fleet battles better if you've never been in one, to take but one example. Examples are Bad....you open up an entire different can of worms......... Like why was T20 in charge of Dread logistics? what was he trying to accomplish? Wasn't Cyno fixing Cyno chain shared accounts......After all he had 3 dread capable characters there? Wait at the Time he was a WEB CELL? he needed to be there so he could get the Forum search function on the Eve O web site to work better? Whole new can of worms --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
B0rn2KiLL MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:22:00 - [123] COMETH DOWN THE HAMMER OF JUSTIVE, FOR IT IS MATARI, AND VERY SPIKY. we basically want to see people fry nothing like a good public execution to qwell the hearts of an angry mob --- new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. *Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:23:00 - [124] Edited by: Ramblin Man on 13/02/2007 23:23:40 Congrats on the new position. A hypothetical argument, offered for your refutation, How will players ever know the difference between you doing your job and you spending all day spinning around in your office chair? Scrub the names. Publish the reports. Give us the statistics monthly/bi-monthly/tri-monthly. From a player's viewpoint, opaque justice is indistinguishable from no justice. PS: Thanks for staying at the office very late / posting from home! (assuming you're in Iceland) Qft. Originally by: SPIONKOP A privacy policy and transparancy can never work. If i report a crime to the police then I will get some feedback. Your privacy policy will prevent any form of feedback and without this people simply won't be arsed reporting anything. You need to consider this. A bland automail "Thanks for your report, appropriate action will be taken following an investigation if required", means sod all. You also need to give feedback where nothing was proved. Whilst you can control your forums with an iron fist, you can not control external forums. You should monitor these just as much as your own. Mud sticks and the innocent should be cleared just as much as the guilty punished. There are still a lot of unanswered questions and the longer they remain unanswered the more people will speculate. You really should re-consider your position on privacy [...]
Inmate 19225004 Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:27:00 - [125] Originally by: CCP Arkanon Originally by: Inmate 19225004 SirMolle is documented as having posted the Kugutsumen characters RL information as well as threats of RL action outside of appropriate reporting to the authorities, but as far as I can tell, there was no permanent ban. This involves a player and is thus not strictly my issue to answer for. But I have looked into this and I've yet to see any verification that this took place. If such verification exists, please file a harassment petition to point us to it and the matter will be investigated. Whatever the case, I will not be discussing it in detail here, sorry. I'll be enlightening you all with the specifics on this shortly. Then you can "investigate".
Imager GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:28:00 - [126] Could you let us "opt out" of having devs join our alliance? While you may feel impropriety is avoidable, I'd rather not get caught cheating like BoD did. I already have lost all faith in developers to play fair and since I've already resigned to expecting the cheating I'd rather them not drag me down with them.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:29:00 - [127] Originally by: Sm0kE Hi Arkanon. How will you handle things like... I don't know, BoB showing up at a POS and targetting through the POS shields using passive targetters shortly after a patch was released? In otherwords, clear inside information cases that you have no way to prove indefinately? The BPOs really don't bother me. The information one can get from a dev player is much more powerful. I still need this answered. You're too busy talking about coffee with Kieron and responding to the fanbois that you can't answer this question that bears just about 100% of the weight of the topic. What will you do about these "BUGS" that seemingly give someone a clear advantage? What will you do about the insider information? You can't truly tell me that you will be able to handle that. There's no frickin' way you can even scratch the surface. I say, nice try but you ain't foolin' me. 2 subs still down. ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms!
Booster Junkie	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:30:00 - [128] Originally by: Sephiraa Arkanon, I too would like to see these questions answered within your ability to do so. Originally by: Baun They could start by explaining; 1)exactly what happened with t20 and what his punishment was (or at least why he was apparently promoted during the time between the actual incident and its being revealed). 2) Why they didnt remove the BPOs when they first knew about them almost 7 months ago. 3) Why they did not make an ingame news posting with the dev blogs and systematically locked down any attempt to discuss the incident in other parts of the forum. 4) Why they have now closed the only real place we had to discuss it even on these forums and have entered "white wash mode". 5) Why kieron lied to us in his answers (specifically with reference to the cynonet; CCP's ignorance of the concept and their claim of t20 having no knowledge of any other cheating/EULA violtions other than his own). 6) Why K has been banned for activity that other characters have not been banned for and why CCP is protecting those characters. 7) Why they selectively enforce their EULA seemingly at random. 8) Why they have never made any effort to guard against ISD cheating. 9) Why despite all of these questions that they have answers to their means of addressing them is to promote someone else to find answers. 10) What kind of investigation into t20's cheating they were running when they already had full knowledge of the incident. Further.. why does LV still have their ill gotten Hel Mothership? I think all of us want these answers.
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:34:00 - [129] Because me and Baun are actually! having a civil discussion 7) I don't have the same experiences or knowledge as you do. Since your information ahs no specifics I can't accept it as 100% proof. I do not believe you are a lying however. So... CCP back me up here 8) my "disagreement was that they all cheat continusly. I dont doubt there might be a bad apple in ISD. ALL of them? or even more than a few? doubt that. 9) Because seems alot of people aren't interested in trusting CCP. So they are putting someone out there that we can learn to trust and then maybe he can restore our faith in CCP. Or at least how im taking it. 10) incompetence happens. people make mistakes. That would comfort me more. More clarity on it wouldn't hurt though. -
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:37:00 - [130] Originally by: Vily Because me and Baun are actually! having a civil discussion 9) Because seems alot of people aren't interested in trusting CCP. So they are putting someone out there that we can learn to trust and then maybe he can restore our faith in CCP. Or at least how im taking it. 10) incompetence happens. people make mistakes. That would comfort me more. More clarity on it wouldn't hurt though. I have "less" trust in CCP, I never trusted them 100% I have worked for too many corporations for that. It is not Incompetence, it is a Series of Seemingly incompetent steps that add up to CCP being "perceived" as Incompetent. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.

Ashis Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:39:00 - [131] Thanks for being in here, in the trenches Ark - Some of the questions above are the heavy hitting ones. The ones that are hard. The ones that will take some revisions. 1 of three things will happen. 1) They aren't answered and get buried in the thread. 2) They are answered but glossed over. 3) They are met, head on. No doubt with a brand new job you are still sorting things - what you can say, what you can't - all during a time of turmoil. I don't envy that - but, at least for me, the tough stuff is the stuff that needs answering. Wipe the names if you want, be general if you want... but there isn't a lot of meat on the bones here yet. Its better, and I'm guardedly hopeful. Batter up Ark - you have the world of Eve listening to you. Now pick one of these curve balls that has been thrown at you and drive it outta the park! I for one am looking forward to cheering for you once you do that.
Dasi	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:39:00 - [132] Edited by: Dasi on 13/02/2007 23:38:07 This is a very welcome step towards restoring faith in a working and healthy Eve much more so than a hundred muddled Keiron posts, locked threads or deletions ever could hope to achieve. Thanks for looking out for the players in this little game we all enjoy playing. And don't have too much fun watching the water cooler crowd scatter when you enter the room.

CCP Arkanon	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:45:00 - [133] It's almost midnight and I'm turning in. The few answers that I had already composed I'll post after this one. My apologies to those who's questions I have yet to answer, keep in mind that I may have already addressed you concern, even if I did not reference it directly. Thank you all for the very civil way you have stated your questions and for all the well wishing, I'll try and make you proud. All the best, Arkanon


CCP Arkanon	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:46:00 - [134] Originally by: Baun Arkanon; Will you be closely monitoring ISD Aurora members, ISD Bug Hunters and ISD Forum Moderators? These three areas are actually the largest source of cheating within EVE and have been since release. The cheating has gone mostly unchecked; ISD members are only removed if they are stupid enough to let their actions become known generally. Now that there is supposed to be an investigation dept I would think that this is a completely neccesary part of your job. ISD is Kieron's turf and you can contact him with any such worries. I understand your concerns, but I know that ISD actively looks for EULA violations among it's members, and those found guilty are expelled at once.


CCP Arkanon	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:46:00 - [135] Originally by: CPU Arkanon, since you investigated the current BoB debacle and will police future activities...I trust neither you nor your alts are or ever were BoBits? I've never been an active alliance player and I've never been in BOB. My job has always demanded that I keep a very Spartan player account.

LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:52:00 - [136] Originally by: CCP Arkanon Originally by: CPU Arkanon, since you investigated the current BoB debacle and will police future activities...I trust neither you nor your alts are or ever were BoBits? I've never been an active alliance player and I've never been in BOB. My job has always demanded that I keep a very Spartan player account. And you're not friends with anyone in BoB. You don't have anything to do with these people from CCP. Just sweep it under the rug my friend. You guys keep pretending you're actually doing something about this and we'll all be hunky dory. **** that dude, why should I trust you with my money? ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms!
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:53:00 - [137] ^^ Sorry for the non-typical un-fanboi post, but this is real **** man. CCP isn't getting off that easy and I still have 3 days till my accounts run dry. Anyone want a Mini with 14m sp in gunnery? ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms!
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:00:00 - [138] On a serious note, its smoke and mirrors to say "No members of BoB had any knowledge that was internal" and "We cant prove it" They crashed an ISD event with internal knowledge. People have dumps of their forums db that prove it. That information can be confirmed since some BoB people put all of their characters / alts in a similar post. Thats information, and confirmation. They shot people through a POS shield, ALLIANCE wide. Does that not speak of corruption at a high level ? Plus a TON of things that simply dont make sense. ASCN jumps to BoB with vastly superior numbers (2X) and somehow BoB takes ZERO losses and wipes out the entire ASCN fleet. These things are so comepletely beyond the pale of reality its not funnny. And yet we hear "Nothing can be proved" -- If this overwatch is to have a good start these allegations have to be DIRECTLY addressed and explained. If you want to be picky about where you get your information thats fine. But the shield of "Chain of Evidence" is whats protecting an allince leadership that cheated. You have to use corroborating or you wont find anything. If police officers declined to investigate because there isnt a gun at the scene, we'd be in a real bad way. Its not going to come to you, and its not going to be easy to get. But frankly Knu gave you everything you needed on a gold plate and you ignored it because he got it underhandedly. What that equates to is that you know about the misconduct, and are making a choice to do nothing because the info comes from a smelly source. Your letting an alliance that has hurt EVE get away on a technicality. And that stinks.
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:05:00 - [139] Originally by: Montaire On a serious note, its smoke and mirrors to say "No members of BoB had any knowledge that was internal" and "We cant prove it" They crashed an ISD event with internal knowledge. People have dumps of their forums db that prove it. That information can be confirmed since some BoB people put all of their characters / alts in a similar post. Thats information, and confirmation. They shot people through a POS shield, ALLIANCE wide. Does that not speak of corruption at a high level ? Plus a TON of things that simply dont make sense. ASCN jumps to BoB with vastly superior numbers (2X) and somehow BoB takes ZERO losses and wipes out the entire ASCN fleet. These things are so comepletely beyond the pale of reality its not funnny. And yet we hear "Nothing can be proved" -- If this overwatch is to have a good start these allegations have to be DIRECTLY addressed and explained. If you want to be picky about where you get your information thats fine. But the shield of "Chain of Evidence" is whats protecting an allince leadership that cheated. You have to use corroborating or you wont find anything. If police officers declined to investigate because there isnt a gun at the scene, we'd be in a real bad way. Its not going to come to you, and its not going to be easy to get. But frankly Knu gave you everything you needed on a gold plate and you ignored it because he got it underhandedly. What that equates to is that you know about the misconduct, and are making a choice to do nothing because the info comes from a smelly source. Your letting an alliance that has hurt EVE get away on a technicality. And that stinks. ASCN got smoked because the had poor fleets, fleet commanders, and discipline. I can smoke an opposing fleet 40 to zero too if they dont align, drop no bubbles on my fleet and loose all their tacklers within 30 seconds of the fight. I have yet to have anyone even LINK me a thread with this POS incident. -
LoxyRider Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:08:00 - [140] Congratulations on the new position Arkanon, I hope you'll agree with my wish that the staff at ccp make your job a very boring and unfruitful one .

RadarJack Amarr Solar Storm X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:17:00 - [141] I'm not sure how best to express this but lets give it a try. What action would you take (i'm not asking what the policy is, i'm asking what your individual actions would be) in the following scenario ; After a code update, a unexpected bug developes which isn't picked up by QA and testing and goes on to Tranquility. A player in the game comes across this bug and see's a way to exploit it and gain an advantage over his opponents. This player uses the exploit infrequently in order to keep it quiet, but gains a significant advantage over competitors and causes in game finantial or positional damage. The bug goes undiscovered for a period of time. A developer playing anonymously in the game in the same corporation with an emotional investment in the corporation and the player (having shared a long history with them and a mutual interest in the corporations progression) becomes aware of the exploit, but takes no action in order to retain his character and network of friends and/or retain the corporations advantage. The bug is later uncovered by other players, reported and fixed. Some time later, information is uncovered through an out of game method that the player used the exploit, (he bragged about it on some internal forum or said it on Teamspeak, something unrecorded). A petition is raised by a finantially or positionally damaged party for your review. There are Tranqulity logfiles showing the exploits occured but there are no official records of the devs collusion, only records from external sources. When confronted, the exploiter reveals that the developers anonymous character was aware of the bug. When confronted, the developer reveals his knowledge of the bug prior to it being raised as an issue but not of its usage. Its a straight conflict of interest case. The developer is still anonymous to the playerbase, the evidense is circumstantial but compelling. No exploit/damage has been done directly by the developer, but damage to others would have been mitigated by his action. What would be your actions when presented with this case ? Most importantly in my mind at least, would these events be divulged to the playerbase at any time ? Would there be transparency in your findings ? Would the damaged parties receive assistance after being subjected to an avoidable exploit that occured in the past ? Hope its clear enough.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:22:00 - [142] Edited by: Baun on 14/02/2007 00:21:55 Originally by: CCP Arkanon Originally by: Baun Arkanon; Will you be closely monitoring ISD Aurora members, ISD Bug Hunters and ISD Forum Moderators? These three areas are actually the largest source of cheating within EVE and have been since release. The cheating has gone mostly unchecked; ISD members are only removed if they are stupid enough to let their actions become known generally. Now that there is supposed to be an investigation dept I would think that this is a completely neccesary part of your job. ISD is Kieron's turf and you can contact him with any such worries. I understand your concerns, but I know that ISD actively looks for EULA violations among it's members, and those found guilty are expelled at once. So your sole purview is making sure Devs don't cheat when in fact the most pervasive form of cheating comes in the predictable form of volunteers given power without sufficient oversight? This makes no sense to me. Who is doing your job with respect to ISD? Kieron is either no investigative wonderboy or he simply doesn't have time becuase that entire area is broken. Is it so time consuming to monitor something a few dozen accounts that you could not do the same for a few dozen more? If CCPs oversight of PAID DEVELOPERS was not sufficient why should we believe that their oversight of volunteer players is sufficient? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Richard Aiel	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:23:00 - [143] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO ^^ Sorry for the non-typical un-fanboi post, but this is real **** man. CCP isn't getting off that easy and I still have 3 days till my accounts run dry. Anyone want a Mini with 14m sp in gunnery? Me! Me! Me!
Luna DeRossa	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:25:00 - [144] A step in the right direction, definitely. I sincerely hope though it's not just a knee-jerked reaction to quell angry customers and potentially bad press... this role should have been created as soon as this was discovered, not now to try and convince us that you actually care. Meh, good luck anyway.
Phoebus Athenian	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:33:00 - [145] "EVE is a sandbox, but it's not our sandbox. We're here to keep it clean and provide the sand." Thats exactly how I feel about this game, and any MMORPG game. Including my own projects... Creating a game just so that you can be "god" in it is more than pointless, its vain. The players can out-perform the best of GM's in plot writing, politics and creating a complex fun world/game. The GM's job is to regulate, add fun events here and there and keep things FAIR within the set boundaries and limits of the set world. Reading your introduction did give me a bit of hope, so after this I have decided to stay in the game and continue helping in whatever way I can. However, as pointed above I would like to see high transparency on how these cases are handled. You have already answered that you can't give us public information, but really thats not what we're after. We want to know what happened, the details and how exactly it is handled to restore order/justice to the game. Is that possible? Thanks.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:35:00 - [146] Originally by: Vily Because me and Baun are actually! having a civil discussion 7) I don't have the same experiences or knowledge as you do. Since your information ahs no specifics I can't accept it as 100% proof. I do not believe you are a lying however. So... CCP back me up here My beliefs in this area are based on the experience I have had as someone who started playing only short after release and who has lead and been in contact with a very large number of people throughout what is approach 4 years. Since I am not a GM I cannot give you specific proof, though I think that most people would agree with me that CCP's actions in enforcing or not enforcing the EULA do not present any clear trend. Quote: 8) my "disagreement was that they all cheat continusly. I dont doubt there might be a bad apple in ISD. ALL of them? or even more than a few? doubt that. My "continuous" comment was definitely somewhat hyperbolic. That said, I used that word because it emphasizes my concern. The cheating that goes on within ISD is not always egregious, but it happens on a very regular basis. I would be completely shocked if more than a few ISD members have not abused their powers infrequently (especially the forum moderators). I actually have the capacity to provide some proof in this area, but you are going to have to be patient for that. I am very confident that any honest ISD member will agree with me on this. Quote: 9) Because seems alot of people aren't interested in trusting CCP. So they are putting someone out there that we can learn to trust and then maybe he can restore our faith in CCP. Or at least how im taking it. Keep in mind that Arkanon was part of the team that failed to adequately deal with the problem to begin with and that he is still not being sufficiently open or answering the direct questions the community repeatedly brought up in reaction to the catastrophe that he was not innocent in bringing about. That said if I grow to trust Arkanon that in now way restores my trust in his superiors. They have systematically ruined their own credibility and have done nothing to repair it themselves nor even expressed an interest in repairing it. They owe this community a sincere apology that begins with being open and honest. Until they do that I will never place anymore trust in them then is required by default in playing the game. Some people feel the same way, but doubtlessly others will actually forgive the actions of a remorseless few because they made one seemingly good decision in relationship to a complete and utter mess that they themselves are solely responsible for. Quote: 10) incompetence happens. people make mistakes. That would comfort me more. More clarity on it wouldn't hurt though. More clarity would be wonderful. Other than Arkanon (whose job it is to do this now) not a single CCP employee has shown even the most remote interest in conversing with its paying customers over issues that concern them. This is a central problem in this entire mess. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Kerushi Caldari AeroSpace Engineering	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:38:00 - [147] smart decision Congrats Arkanon! atleast someone in that position i`ll consider trust worthy going back till memory serves me from alpha 3x cap rig I hyperion for sale
Samuel Freedom Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation	Posted - 2007.02.14 00:58:00 - [148] Hello, First of all I would like to congratulate you on your new post, it sounds like a promotion aswell(ask 'em for more cash imo, it's lots of responsability ) Now. Well what can I say about the way the things were handled cornerning recent event, let me just say words fail me and leave it at that. I am very skeptical of CCP at the moment, but I do see this as a step in the right direction and I welcome it with caution(im not about to start running around the house looking for EVE paraphernaila to kiss and hug). The way I see it now I have two option of recourse open to me, a) Cancel my accounts and wait for the other forth coming releases or b) Have some faith in CCP and the DEV's and carry on paying/playing. And now I have had time to think im choosing b) because I believe that the vast majority of the staff at CCP are hard working, honest and passionate about EVE-ONLINE and it is the best MMO out at the moment(but will it always be?). In conclusion I would like to say please don't let anything like this happen again and I wish you the best of luck in your new role because if you are going to be doing it effectively your going to need it imo. Good Luck hope you enjoy the new job. Best Regards Samuel Freedom *I represent the views of my corp.*
Astorothe Ono-Sensai	Posted - 2007.02.14 01:06:00 - [149] Very positive and genuine - and very welcome news. Thank you. Full Dual Monitor Support
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2007.02.14 01:07:00 - [150] As one of the annoyingly vocal players I'd like to say gratz on the job too. I hope between yourself and kie you can walk a fine line and do the role justice, you certainly started it well. I have never said CCP were corrupt as a whole, and have in fact defended that whilst attempting to show how annoyed I was at certain events. This move is a step in the right direction and I for one see no problem that you are "in-house" so to speak. Keep it as public as the rules allow and keep us informed is all most of us wanted. When it got shut down so suddenly and the ISD ridiculous clamp down in the forums it was hard to come to any conclusion bar whitewash. Perhaps we (I) was wrong. I hope so and am happy to stand corrected. Looking forward to your replies now and in the future, although Id rather you didn't have to counter the same accusations again for a long long time. I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.



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