Claws are coming out now..

Claws are coming out now..

Not sure what CCP are doing but what ever they are trying is falling on deaf ears.

Average for the latter quarter hasnt really pushed about the 30k mark. Im presuming they will say we will get the numbers back by introducing the free to play option.

Then when the new people joining EvE will get the bug and start a subscription.

However over the past 5 years I dont think the decline is out of the stagnant issues of EvE. I think its down to the game play and the ideas they have brought in and implemented.


It seems they are constantly asking how can we improve and in my mind its not by adding new ships, new races and this and that.

If you take the set up of EvE 5 years ago it was pretty run of the mill and constant. Then came in the nerf ball bat and pretty much wrecked everything people are used to.

Taking away a lot of what your used to and forcing you to do something else can make players basically quit.

If you look at it they fixed something with a brilliant idea and they have been correcting it ever since.

Some Examples

MWD nerf
Ice mining nerf
build processing bat
PLEX
Skill injectors
New ships
Drifters
Watch List


If you take all of those into consideration its a constant we are doing this so tough even though the sandbox was built by EvE players.
Basically CCP you gave it to us so stop screwing around with it.

I dont think the new incentive will work and the idea to get skill points by logging on and popping a ship is plain hilarious

Hmmm, I logged back in after a few months' hiatus to see how the game's changed.

I had previously logged out in low sec, so I launch my ship and blap some belt NPCs for 10 minutes. Then a "pirate" I had added to my contact list jumps in, proceeds to hunt me. I dock into a station, wait 15 minutes, the pirate is still hanging around. I then think about hauling myself back to high sec, realised it would probably take 30-60 minutes to jump/refit/whatever.

"**** this"

log off, load up steam

Not sure what CCP are doing but what ever they are trying is falling on deaf ears.

Average for the latter quarter hasnt really pushed about the 30k mark. Im presuming they will say we will get the numbers back by introducing the free to play option.

Then when the new people joining EvE will get the bug and start a subscription.

Hmmm, I logged back in after a few months' hiatus to see how the game's changed.

I had previously logged out in low sec, so I launch my ship and blap some belt NPCs for 10 minutes. Then a "pirate" I had added to my contact list jumps in, proceeds to hunt me. I dock into a station, wait 15 minutes, the pirate is still hanging around. I then think about hauling myself back to high sec, realised it would probably take 30-60 minutes to jump/refit/whatever.

"**** this"

log off, load up steam

LOL. Hooked every damn one of you. "Blah blah blah blah blah."

The CODE. damage to the game simply start to take its accumulative effect. Would you keep playing if you get one of that messages after get suddenly ganked in high sec? :

"It gets even worse from here. You have been added to our hitlist, which means the next time our scouts see you in local we will kill you on sight."

Well played, I didn't see the replies since my forum experience looks like this, but I'm sure the butthurt was very real. It usually is from people who post here for 14 hours a day.



Also this, new players join game, die ad-nauseum to high sec gankers and quit. I don't blame them tbh, they're cannon fodder even in high sec and they realise it and leave.

believe it or not but there are players who simply arent interested in pvp

believe it or not but there are players who simply arent interested in pvp

Well played, I didn't see the replies since my forum experience looks like this, but I'm sure the butthurt was very real. It usually is from people who post here for 14 hours a day.



Also this, new players join game, die ad-nauseum to high sec gankers and quit. I don't blame them tbh, they're cannon fodder even in high sec and they realise it and leave.

\o/

This thread has always secretly been about the New Order.

True enough, though honestly that's like going to a strip club with no interests in watching others perform erotic dancing, but you like the food. Not saying you're wrong (hell I'm one of those types), I guess it's just that in my head that makes just as much sense is all.

That reminds me, there was this one place that had killer fries and their pizza was the best I've ever had. Sucks that it was when I was stationed on Okinawa and will never see it again unless I go back there. Can't remember the name of it anyways. Man, I miss being in my twenties already.

Actually it's the opposite, people who get illegally killed tend to stay longer. The problem is the 85% who quit having taken part in no PvP which is why it is important to bring back all of the content that has been lost.

I recall CCP admited, that most player quited after their first PAYED month.

Proof or never happened. I recall CCP admited, that most player quited after their first PAYED month. You pay and got owned by local bully. Stay or adapt, but who want to stay under such conditions. I am sure it is not a game (awesome space life simulator) it players, who make a problem here. Most of the community do PVP with sense and honor, defending their space, fighting opposite race or simply hunting those, who agreed to be hunted by flying into low sec. But those, who try to fix their badly hurt RL selfesteem by killing unarmed ships in high sec defenetely no content creators but simply kill the game they play.

Go to CCP's youtube page, and find the fanfest video discussing this. He is correct. In CCPs analysis showed that 85% of the players who were not ganked stayed with the game the least amount of time. In fact, the ranking went as follows:

Most time in game--those who were ganked (1%).
Second most time in game--those who were killed "legally" (14%).
Least amount of time in game--those who engaged in no PvP (ship to ship at least--85%).

Proof or it never happened.

Actually, don't worry about the proof, there isn't any. That never happened.

Baltec1 however was correct and it's been posted here many times over the last couple of years.

You highlight one of EVE's biggest negatives, i.e. the amount of time it can take to do stuff. Sometimes just getting to where you want to be can take many minutes of warping between gates. Obviously space is big and CCP have to give us that illusion of traveling long distances, so I don't really know what else they could do without ruining other aspects of gameplay. But still, when you look at your route and see 20+ jumps, sometimes it's difficult not think "Meh..." and log off.

that was mentioned by a ccp dev that's no longer with the company during a fan fest round table.. when they opened up and discussed new player experience and began tackling the problem. ccp ytterbium (sp) was the one giving the presentation if i remember correctly.. and yes its very true.. many new bros come and stick around for the trial phase or 1 month worth of time to check out eve online.. just to meet its real sword by gankers, cheap shots, and the scum that exist.

sorry dude but its true.. unless the new player finds a decent group or is guided to a decent group.. his or her hopes for survival are slim to none.. too many jerks have ruined the chances of retaining players. this is the raw truth, they increase risk thinking folks enjoy the torture.. some do.. most dont and leave. only insane people will constantly continue trying the same thing over and over again and fail doing so.. this is what ccp continues to try to counter.. yet they keep on failing..i wonder why? perhaps the "play like me" mindset has taken far too much over and killed what was supposed to be a sandbox.. perhaps it was implementation of more gimmicks and ganker toys ( yes you can blatantly see some items were put in just to help out with ganking and griefing..catchphrasing it as "content" and new "gamestyle mechanic".. all of that was just BS. and the smart consumer can see it for what it really is.

take a quick look around these parts, you have some of the most rudest, condescending comments on a gaming forum. matter of fact i just read one which would be deemed hostile, overly aggressive and just plain out rude in other gaming forums ( and while the poster who did would be BANNED! from forums for life)..

Eve online, CCP, and ISD needs to begin really putting folks in check.. how else are new sign ups going to feel comfortable and welcome when we have so much "forum pvp" here. its no wonder our sub numbers are dropping faster than a rare piece of loot.

of course you can remain in denial but once again.. i say.. the real numbers of eve online are now showing and despite the banning of bots and isboxers (which is a good thing).. we have a huge hill to climb to get back up top and break the record for most active logins in a single day.


hey remember when ccp tried to brag about us having 500k subs.. where the hec did they go? ooh thats right they blurred truth. thats between two servers or something and surely not all on Tranquility where it matters atleast to main players.

will we ever connect to china? doubtful highly doubtful.. so what can we do as a community to get people to play, pay, and stay playing and playing?