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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.04 13:41:22 -
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Hey folks! This will be the specific feedback thread for the Orca revamp coming this November. You can check out the dev blog here for the whole context. Other feedback threads are available for the Porpoise, Rorqual, and the mining foreman gameplay as a whole.
ORCA Industrial Command Ships bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to ship cargo capacity and ore hold 3% bonus to Mining Foreman Burst Strength and Duration 1% bonus to Shield Command Burst Strength and Duration 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield -10% reduction in drone ice harvesting cycle time Role bonus: 100% bonus to drone mining yield -25% reduction in drone ice harvesting cycle time 100% bonus to drone damage 400% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range 90% reduction to effective distance traveled for jump fatigue Can fit three Command Burst modules 50% bonus to Command Burst Area of Effect Range 250% bonus to Tractor Beam range 100% bonus to Tractor Beam velocity 500% bonus to Survey Scanner range
Slot layout: 6H (+3), 5M (+1), 2L Fittings: 1200 PWG (+240), 550 CPU (+120) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 30,000 (+19,250) / 7000 (+100) / 45,000 (-1000) Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 35 / 10 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 8000 (+3800) / 1200s (+400) / 6.67 (+1.42) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 60 / 0.26 (+0.1) / 150,000,000 (-100,000,000) / 54.07s (-1.38) Warp Speed: 2 au/s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 200 (+125) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 70km (+10) / 75 / 7 (+5) Sensor strength: 30 Magnetometric (+15) Signature radius: 1000 Cargo Hold: 30,000m3 Ore Hold: 150,000m3 (+100,000) Fleet Hangar: 40,000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay: 400,000m3
Cost: ~700m isk Max Yield: ~1400m3 per minute + drone travel time Max DPS: ~800 dps
Let us know what you think!
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
14484
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Posted - 2016.10.04 13:41:33 -
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Reserved
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Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
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TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
431
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:37:26 -
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6 HS orca, that's awesome, so, with the Command Processor Rig you can burst 2 shield related and 2 mining related bursts... *wants to ghost fit an orca*, since I assume the equipment booster is still not valued at all.
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Darrien
Ouroboros Logistics
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:43:56 -
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I, for one, welcome our new Mining Foreman Ship overlords. |
Valkin Mordirc
2554
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:46:00 -
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I'm not a miner but the prospect of baiting people out with a battle orca sounds amazing.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Echo Mande
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:48:02 -
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Please, pretty please, add ore compression as an Orca/Rorqual ability, even if this has to be enabled with a module and skill. Ore compression in the field would IMO be much more useful, and support the fleet much better, than a larger ore hold would. It would allow the Orca/Rorqual to tractor in cans, compress and store the contents and then allow a single hauler to be far more useful hauling compressed ore/ice to station. It would also keep the command pilot more involved and in the field. Not giving compression to the Porpoise would give the Orca/Rorqual an extra force multiplier bonus over the Porpoise.
On a related note, are the command ships' ore holds accessable to the fleet, like a fleet hangar?
Wallet remarks everywhere
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3412
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:51:49 -
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We are getting Ice Mining Drones? Or did we already have them?
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Tyanshe
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:52:07 -
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The added high slots make me really happy. The only thing I would want is a bigger ship maint array. The hisec carrier and wh base of operations orca is real. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Tactical-Retreat
2078
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:00:53 -
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Awww nice buff, but I'm a bit sad that the SMA size remains the same. I like this assembled ship suitcase ability of the Orca. Makes for a very tiny mobile home, I'd have loved to see some thoughts given to that kind of nomadic gameplay.
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TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
431
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:07:58 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:We are getting Ice Mining Drones? Or did we already have them?
They are new, read the whole blog ;)
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
431
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:08:53 -
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Altrue wrote:Awww nice buff, but I'm a bit sad that the SMA size remains the same. I like this assembled ship suitcase ability of the Orca. Makes for a very tiny mobile home, I'd have loved to see some thoughts given to that kind of nomadic gameplay.
I use a combo of Orca and the ORE hauler for a mobile mining fleet.
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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Darrien
Ouroboros Logistics
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:17:29 -
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Might be an idea to tune belt rat AI to attack drones ? |
KrazyTaco
Yellow Duck Consortium
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:22:25 -
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Has any thought been given to the implications for NPC corp miners in High Sec now being able to essentially use the Orca as a near invincible default mining platform instead of the traditional barge / exhumer?
Given that the Orca will remain around the same price and it can now mine just as well as a yield fit Mackinaw, receives an extra 33k ehp base, and has a huge ore hold, what will stop a proliferation of Orcas that can't be engaged with in any meaningful way than by all but the largest gank fleets in High Sec? |
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
637
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:23:23 -
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Love it, but isn't it maybe a tad bit OP?
I'm pretty sure that it could solo run most L4 missions AFK, with that amount of drone damage, coupled with that much tank.
And, with the bonused tractor range/speed, extra highs and large cargo hold, it could also easily do its own looting & salvaging. |
Darrien
Ouroboros Logistics
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:31:43 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:Love it, but isn't it maybe a tad bit OP?
I'm pretty sure that it could solo run most L4 missions AFK, with that amount of drone damage, coupled with that much tank.
And, with the bonused tractor range/speed, extra highs and large cargo hold, it could also easily do its own looting & salvaging.
Missions is a relatively easy fix, just remove there gate access, although it'll make mission miners sad I assume. |
Jasper Sinclair
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:42:36 -
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The Orca was already one of the most useful ships in the game. Now even more so. Ironically, even though I'm in RvB I endorse all efforts to make PvE gameplay more fun, interesting and rewarding.
Acting Blue CEO, Senior Combat Coordinator, admirer of Caracals
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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:42:42 -
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The lowered mass on the orca will kill its job as high risk- high reward roller in WHs. Not that higgs-WCS-BS have not done that already.
Will also make hauling in WHs easier since the hole will not collapse as fast. |
Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
1533
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:45:46 -
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At a price point of 700M isk, I feel like this ship gives a lot for the cost/risk.
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Alphaphi
KASK deep space drilling
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:47:09 -
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KrazyTaco wrote:Has any thought been given to the implications for NPC corp miners in High Sec now being able to essentially use the Orca as a near invincible default mining platform instead of the traditional barge / exhumer?
Given that the Orca will remain around the same price and it can now mine just as well as a yield fit Mackinaw, receives an extra 33k ehp base, and has a huge ore hold, what will stop a proliferation of Orcas that can't be engaged with in any meaningful way than by all but the largest gank fleets in High Sec?
The orca will have a lower yield per minute as a result of the drone traveltime. and as far as i am concerned, drones are NOT affected by the command bursts, so wouldnt the exhumer have a higher m3/minute?
but it will very well make it a new carebear boat. |
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
842
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:51:02 -
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As a long time Orca Pilot, I'm very Happy with these changes! |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6201
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:04:13 -
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Echo Mande wrote:Please, pretty please, add ore compression as an Orca/Rorqual ability, even if this has to be enabled with a module and skill. Ore compression in the field would IMO be much more useful, and support the fleet much better, than a larger ore hold would. It would allow the Orca/Rorqual to tractor in cans, compress and store the contents and then allow a single hauler to be far more useful hauling compressed ore/ice to station. It would also keep the command pilot more involved and in the field. Not giving compression to the Porpoise would give the Orca/Rorqual an extra force multiplier bonus over the Porpoise.
On a related note, are the command ships' ore holds accessable to the fleet, like a fleet hangar?
Quote:Enables Ore and Ice Compression
The industrial core turns on the ability to compress ore.It's pretty much always had this option.
Woo! CSM XI!
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AgentMaster
Platinum Octopus Infernal Octopus
3
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:17:40 -
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All these numbers and calculations look nice, but i have a simple question: How fast will full hold one retriever under the new orca boost at max skills
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Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
825
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:19:00 -
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Mining Drone II (Quote: The Mining Drone II will remain largely unchanged in November, as it represents the current baseline for drone mining) = 33m-¦ per 60s
Mining Drone Operations V: +25% yield Mining Drone Spez V: +10% yield Industrial Command Ship V: +50% yield Orca Role Bonus: +100% yield 2x T2 Drone Rig (stackingpenalty ignored): +30% yield 1x T1 Drone Rig (stackingpenalty still ignored): +10% yield Number of Mining Drones: 5 (until Guardian Orca released...)
33m-¦ x 1.25 x 1.10 x 1.5 x 2.0 x 1.3 x 1.1 x 5 = 973.29m-¦ per 60s
x 1.09 for Augmented Mining Drones = 1,060.89m-¦ per 60s
Still 30-40% below Quote: "Max Yield: ~1400m3 per minute + drone travel time"
Am I missing a skill / module / imp / drug / math?
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
238
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:26:55 -
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It looks great so far. But can we please get ore compression on the orca? And what about an visual update for the orca and the rorqual?
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Oradric Cube
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:47:48 -
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According to http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Timers#Remote_assistance and my understanding of the remote repair mechanics the orca pilot would get a concord suspect flag (yellow blinky) if they perform remote repair on a fleet member that has been attacked by another player in hisec triggering concord criminal (red blinky).
Saying it another way: Player A is piloting an orca in hisec with Player B piloting a retriever when Player C arrives in a catalyst. None of them have any timers yet. Player C then attacks Player B triggering concord response and a concord criminal (red blinky) flag on Player C. Player B is taking damage (but not dead yet) and has a Capsuleer Log-Off Timer and I believe a Limited Engagement Timer with Player C. If Player A has remote repair modules fitted and activates them on Player B (requiring a safety setting of yellow) then I believe Player A will inherit the Capsuleer Log-Off Timer, the Limited Engagement Timer with Player C and I think Player A will also get a concord suspect timer (yellow blinky).
Am I correct in my understanding?
What about the new boost mechanism? How will it interact with the existing timer system? If in my example Player A did not use remote repair modules at all but instead hit Player B with a boost pulse/tick would Player A inherit the timers or not? |
Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
554
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:52:59 -
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Samsara Toldya wrote:Mining Drone II (Quote: The Mining Drone II will remain largely unchanged in November, as it represents the current baseline for drone mining) = 33m-¦ per 60s
Mining Drone Operations V: +25% yield Mining Drone Spez V: +10% yield Industrial Command Ship V: +50% yield Orca Role Bonus: +100% yield 2x T2 Drone Rig (stackingpenalty ignored): +30% yield 1x T1 Drone Rig (stackingpenalty still ignored): +10% yield Number of Mining Drones: 5 (until Guardian Orca released...)
33m-¦ x 1.25 x 1.10 x 1.5 x 2.0 x 1.3 x 1.1 x 5 = 973.29m-¦ per 60s
x 1.09 for Augmented Mining Drones = 1,060.89m-¦ per 60s
Still 30-40% below Quote: "Max Yield: ~1400m3 per minute + drone travel time"
Am I missing a skill / module / imp / drug / math?
You miscalc'd your rigs. Each rig is a multiplicator on their own. Edit: Oh, and you forgot Drone Interfacing. Which is anothert x1.5 |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5896
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Posted - 2016.10.04 20:01:24 -
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The tripling in size of the ore hold on this beast, along with 25% bonus to ore hold size thanks to Industrial Command Ships 5 GÇö boosting total capacity to about 187,500m3 GÇö more than makes up for lack of ore compression IMHO. Now I'll be able to vacuum my usual mining haul into the Orca in one go without having a miner switch to hauling. I'd love this update even if it wasn't for the improvements that make mining drones actually useful.
Though one thing still bothers me: "90% reduction to effective distance travelled for jump fatigue" indicates to me that mistakes have been made in designing certain game mechanics.
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nezroy
Nice Clan
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Posted - 2016.10.04 20:01:26 -
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Oradric Cube wrote:According to http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Timers#Remote_assistance and my understanding of the remote repair mechanics the orca pilot would get a concord suspect flag (yellow blinky) if they perform remote repair on a fleet member that has been attacked by another player in hisec triggering concord criminal (red blinky).
No. Neutral logi only gets a suspect flag if there is an LE on the target being repped. Being attacked in hisec does not give you an LE with the attacking pilot UNLESS YOU SHOOT BACK. If you do nothing, you will have no flags (other than logoff timer) and anyone can rep you safely.
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Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
825
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Posted - 2016.10.04 20:06:10 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:You miscalc'd your rigs. Each rig is a multiplicator on their own. Edit: Oh, and you forgot Drone Interfacing. Which is anothert x1.5
Have to take a closer look to rigs. Drone Interfacing is in fact the skill I missed with huge impact. Now I'm at 1,020.93m-¦ with T2 drones without rigs. Adding rigs and maybe harvester drones will give 1,400m-¦.
Thanks for pointing this out.
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Goati
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.10.04 20:16:55 -
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KrazyTaco wrote:Has any thought been given to the implications for NPC corp miners in High Sec now being able to essentially use the Orca as a near invincible default mining platform instead of the traditional barge / exhumer?
Given that the Orca will remain around the same price and it can now mine just as well as a yield fit Mackinaw, receives an extra 33k ehp base, and has a huge ore hold, what will stop a proliferation of Orcas that can't be engaged with in any meaningful way than by all but the largest gank fleets in High Sec?
Orcas are very easy to bump. And I see they made the align even worse, by quite a lot. A few bumpers could knock any orcas out of the belt very quickly. |
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