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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
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Posted - 2016.10.04 20:33:37 -
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Oradric Cube wrote:According to http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Timers#Remote_assistance and my understanding of the remote repair mechanics the orca pilot would get a concord suspect flag (yellow blinky) if they perform remote repair on a fleet member that has been attacked by another player in hisec triggering concord criminal (red blinky). Saying it another way: Player A is piloting an orca in hisec with Player B piloting a retriever when Player C arrives in a catalyst. None of them have any timers yet. Player C then attacks Player B triggering concord response and a concord criminal (red blinky) flag on Player C. Player B is taking damage (but not dead yet) and has a Capsuleer Log-Off Timer and I believe a Limited Engagement Timer with Player C. If Player A has remote repair modules fitted and activates them on Player B (requiring a safety setting of yellow) then I believe Player A will inherit the Capsuleer Log-Off Timer, the Limited Engagement Timer with Player C and I think Player A will also get a concord suspect timer (yellow blinky). Am I correct in my understanding? What about the new boost mechanism? How will it interact with the existing timer system? If in my example Player A did not use remote repair modules at all but instead hit Player B with a boost pulse/tick would Player A inherit the timers or not? If this was the case ALOT of Anti-Ganker Logi would get a suspect flag at every gank they try to prevent... |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3627
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Posted - 2016.10.04 20:47:21 -
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Mai Khumm wrote: If this was the case ALOT of Anti-Ganker Logi would get a suspect flag at every gank they try to prevent...
In this instance, the only way the Orca Pilot gets a timer is if the Miner agrees to a dual with the ganker...which is why you see ALOT of ~elite pvpers~ only fight at Jita unlock with 5-6 neutral logi within instant docking range...
Wrong. If the Barge shoots back to defend themselves even if it's a criminal attack, the Orca pilot would then go suspect. The only ways the Orca pilot doesn't go suspect is if both Orca & Barge are in the same corp and are at war (and not 100% sure on that not making the Orca suspect), or if the Barge never defends itself but just sits there. Last I tested even same alliance but different corp at war you still went suspect. Because it counted as repping a war target.
Darrien wrote:Might be an idea to tune belt rat AI to attack drones ? Belt AI 'can' attack drones since it's the same AI as missions, but they need to make the belt AI spawns tougher so elite spawns happen and more damage is done in general by belt spawns. Non elite frigates don't engage lights, only mediums if I recall the drone agro charts correctly. |
Goati
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.10.04 20:54:22 -
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Where can we get some info on the new ice harvesting drones? Need stats! Info given was only for yield on normal mining drones. |
Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
555
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:02:36 -
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I, for one, welcome our new highsec PvP overlords! |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
44
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:02:45 -
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I LOVE YOU CCP! MY BEAUTIFUL ORCA! AHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
843
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:10:04 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:]
If the Barge shoots back to defend themselves even if it's a criminal attack, the Orca pilot would then go suspect. The only ways the Orca pilot doesn't go suspect is if both Orca & Barge are in the same corp and are at war (and not 100% sure on that not making the Orca suspect), or if the Barge never defends itself but just sits there. Last I tested even same alliance but different corp at war you still went suspect. Because it counted as repping a war target.
Only if the Barge defends itself...otherwise I would've lost my Orca a LONG time ago...yes I'm including the fact that both Orca and Barge pilot are in different Corps. Otherwise any and all Anti-Ganker Logi used in repping a Freighter under a Gank would die almost instantly! (Just go play around the hotspots where Freighters go to die and watch...) |
Selak Zorander
Mord-Sith
7
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:11:13 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Echo Mande wrote:Please, pretty please, add ore compression as an Orca/Rorqual ability, even if this has to be enabled with a module and skill. Ore compression in the field would IMO be much more useful, and support the fleet much better, than a larger ore hold would. It would allow the Orca/Rorqual to tractor in cans, compress and store the contents and then allow a single hauler to be far more useful hauling compressed ore/ice to station. It would also keep the command pilot more involved and in the field. Not giving compression to the Porpoise would give the Orca/Rorqual an extra force multiplier bonus over the Porpoise.
On a related note, are the command ships' ore holds accessable to the fleet, like a fleet hangar? Quote:Enables Ore and Ice Compression The industrial core turns on the ability to compress ore.It's pretty much always had this option.
he is referring to making it such that there is a version of the industrial core that can be used on the orca. currently only the rorqual can use it as far as i am aware. |
Goati
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:14:13 -
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Who else thinks the Orca is way too powerful now? The idea that it can mine at the rate of an exhumer, with a 187.5k m3 ore hold, with huge EHP, it's just ridiulous. Orca is meant to be a support ship, not an exhumer equivalent mining vessel.
Why even use Exhumer any more? Orca costs 2-3 times more sure, but you only pay that once. You can be sure it won't be ganked if you know how to fit it, especially with the the new EHP.
I think CCP have gotten carried away and made it way too powerful. It should not be able to mine at all, or, if you want it to be able to mine, it should be able to mine at max about 50% the rate of an exhumer - that way it's more worth to mine in Exhumers and we don't get the ridiculous situation of people choosing Orcas over Exhumers as primary miners die their yields being the same.
Seriously, with Exhumer yield and 187k m3 ore hold, who wouldn't spend 2-3 times more and just mine in an orca instead of an Exhumer? Crazy. |
Sullen Decimus
Polaris Rising The Bastion
28
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:24:12 -
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Altrue wrote:Awww nice buff, but I'm a bit sad that the SMA size remains the same. I like this assembled ship suitcase ability of the Orca. Makes for a very tiny mobile home, I'd have loved to see some thoughts given to that kind of nomadic gameplay.
Making the sma bigger would start to cut into the bowhead territory. Rather than doing that though I mentioned taking a look at the barge sizes and if you read the blog they are reducing the volume of the hulk/covetor by 25%. That should make those mobile ops a little easier :)
Twitter: Sullen_Decimus
Tweetfleet: @sullen_decimus
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Sullen Decimus
Polaris Rising The Bastion
28
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:25:26 -
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Goati wrote:Who else thinks the Orca is way too powerful now? The idea that it can mine at the rate of an exhumer, with a 187.5k m3 ore hold, with huge EHP, it's just ridiulous. Orca is meant to be a support ship, not an exhumer equivalent mining vessel on steroids.
Why even use Exhumer any more? Orca costs 2-3 times more sure, but you only pay that once. You can be sure it won't be ganked if you know how to fit it, especially with the the new EHP.
I think CCP have gotten carried away and made it way too powerful. If you must keep the mining abilities, it should be able to mine at max about 50% the rate of an exhumer - that way it's more worth to mine in Exhumers and we don't get the ridiculous situation of people choosing Orcas over Exhumers as primary miners as their yields are the same.
Seriously, with Exhumer level yield and 187k m3 ore hold, who wouldn't spend 2-3 times more and just mine in an orca instead of an Exhumer? Fit right It will be near ungankable and is an afk miners dream, crazy. It is beyond a joke.
The solution; make the Orca max personal mining ability be at about 50% of that of an Exhumer. Still worth an additional mining for the fleet without taking the role as best/primary miner away from Exhumers.
I imagine they'll be taking a look at it if it ever gets to that point. For now though orcas now can be piloted by someone rather than just an alt sitting in a pos.
Twitter: Sullen_Decimus
Tweetfleet: @sullen_decimus
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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
843
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:27:27 -
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Goati wrote:Who else thinks the Orca is way too powerful now? The idea that it can mine at the rate of an exhumer, with a 187.5k m3 ore hold, with huge EHP, it's just ridiulous. Orca is meant to be a support ship, not an exhumer equivalent mining vessel on steroids.
Why even use Exhumer any more? Orca costs 2-3 times more sure, but you only pay that once. You can be sure it won't be ganked if you know how to fit it, especially with the the new EHP.
I think CCP have gotten carried away and made it way too powerful. If you must keep the mining abilities, it should be able to mine at max about 50% the rate of an exhumer - that way it's more worth to mine in Exhumers and we don't get the ridiculous situation of people choosing Orcas over Exhumers as primary miners as their yields are the same.
Seriously, with Exhumer level yield and 187k m3 ore hold, who wouldn't spend 2-3 times more and just mine in an orca instead of an Exhumer? Fit right It will be near ungankable and is an afk miners dream, crazy. It is beyond a joke.
The solution; make the Orca max personal mining ability be at about 50% of that of an Exhumer. Still worth an additional mining for the fleet without taking the role as best/primary miner away from Exhumers. That math only applies to the new Drones only Available to the Rorqual, sure the Orca gets a nice bump, but you won't see fleets of Orcas in Highsec...
Quote: The Mining Drone II will remain largely unchanged in November, as it represents the current baseline for drone mining.
So a Maxed out Orca Pilot drones equals 1.5x the yield of the drones today... |
Ripard Teg
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
1323
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:33:14 -
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Please increase the Scan Resolution on the Orca.
Put it this way: can a high-sec Orca even lock one of the Catalysts ganking it before (a) the Orca dies, or (b) all of the Catalysts die? Can the same Orca lock and kill an untanked gank Talos before CONCORD does the job for him?
DPS is useless if you can't apply it.
aka Jester, who apparently was once Deemed Worthy To Wield The Banhammer to good effect.
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KrazyTaco
Yellow Duck Consortium
8
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:35:55 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:Goati wrote:Who else thinks the Orca is way too powerful now? The idea that it can mine at the rate of an exhumer, with a 187.5k m3 ore hold, with huge EHP, it's just ridiulous. Orca is meant to be a support ship, not an exhumer equivalent mining vessel on steroids.
Why even use Exhumer any more? Orca costs 2-3 times more sure, but you only pay that once. You can be sure it won't be ganked if you know how to fit it, especially with the the new EHP.
I think CCP have gotten carried away and made it way too powerful. If you must keep the mining abilities, it should be able to mine at max about 50% the rate of an exhumer - that way it's more worth to mine in Exhumers and we don't get the ridiculous situation of people choosing Orcas over Exhumers as primary miners as their yields are the same.
Seriously, with Exhumer level yield and 187k m3 ore hold, who wouldn't spend 2-3 times more and just mine in an orca instead of an Exhumer? Fit right It will be near ungankable and is an afk miners dream, crazy. It is beyond a joke.
The solution; make the Orca max personal mining ability be at about 50% of that of an Exhumer. Still worth an additional mining for the fleet without taking the role as best/primary miner away from Exhumers. That math only applies to the new Drones only Available to the Rorqual, sure the Orca gets a nice bump, but you won't see fleets of Orcas in Highsec... Quote: The Mining Drone II will remain largely unchanged in November, as it represents the current baseline for drone mining. So a Maxed out Orca Pilot drones equals 1.5x the yield of the drones today...
At the end of Fozzie's post he mentioned
Quote:Max Yield: ~1400m3 per minute + drone travel time
A yield fit mackinaw using T2 strip miners and no mining drones pulls in 1,308m3/ minute. The drone travel time is a penalty but not really, the orca just sits on the rock it;s mining and it's virtually no delay. This puts the Orca at least at the level of a yield fit mackinaw if not slightly surpassing it. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5896
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:36:41 -
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Goati wrote:Who else thinks the Orca is way too powerful now? The idea that it can mine at the rate of an exhumer, with a 187.5k m3 ore hold, with huge EHP, it's just ridiulous. Orca is meant to be a support ship, not an exhumer equivalent mining vessel on steroids.
My Skiffs can mine at ~1280m3/minute, not including mining drone yield or Orca boosts. The theoretical yield of 1400m3/min for the Orca includes a 150% bonus to mining drone yield, meaning an expected base yield of drone + skills being around 560m3/min (not including travel time). This means that my Skiffs will be pulling in around 1840m3/min not including drone travel time.
Assume for a moment that drone travel time reduces mining drone yield by about half (velocity is about 400m/s plus skills and modules, range to asteroid is around 15-25km, so travel time is around 30s each way, cycle time is around 60s, so round trip time is 60s travel, 60s mining, for a 50% duty cycle): this means drone yield for the Orca drops to about 700m3/min, while total yield for the Skiff drops to about 1560m3/min.
Do you still think the Orca is an overpowered Mackinaw replacement that needs to be nerfed?
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RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
44
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:42:57 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Goati wrote:Who else thinks the Orca is way too powerful now? The idea that it can mine at the rate of an exhumer, with a 187.5k m3 ore hold, with huge EHP, it's just ridiulous. Orca is meant to be a support ship, not an exhumer equivalent mining vessel on steroids. My Skiffs can mine at ~1280m3/minute, not including mining drone yield or Orca boosts. The theoretical yield of 1400m3/min for the Orca includes a 150% bonus to mining drone yield, meaning an expected base yield of drone + skills being around 560m3/min ( not including travel time). This means that my Skiffs will be pulling in around 1840m3/min not including drone travel time. Assume for a moment that drone travel time reduces mining drone yield by about half ( velocity is about 400m/s plus skills and modules, range to asteroid is around 15-25km, so travel time is around 30s each way, cycle time is around 60s, so round trip time is 60s travel, 60s mining, for a 50% duty cycle): this means drone yield for the Orca drops to about 700m3/min, while total yield for the Skiff drops to about 1560m3/min. Do you still think the Orca is an overpowered Mackinaw replacement that needs to be nerfed?
lol a easy fix to increase yield is to have the orca follow the edge of the belt. mining the roids as it slowly goes forem one side to the other.
I LOVE THE NEW ORCA! |
Ya'akov Hebrew
Jarlhettur's Drop
0
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:49:10 -
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is there a reduction in the cargo hold of the Orca? you are listing it as 30,000m3 when its current size is 96,913 m3. Is there a change ? |
Jeanne Deveroux
Society Of Mutual Adoration
2
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:50:19 -
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Goati wrote:Who else thinks the Orca is way too powerful now? The idea that it can mine at the rate of an exhumer, with a 187.5k m3 ore hold, with huge EHP, it's just ridiulous. Orca is meant to be a support ship, not an exhumer equivalent mining vessel on steroids.
Why even use Exhumer any more? Orca costs 2-3 times more sure, but you only pay that once. You can be sure it won't be ganked if you know how to fit it, especially with the the new EHP.
I think CCP have gotten carried away and made it way too powerful. If you must keep the mining abilities, it should be able to mine at max about 50% the rate of an exhumer - that way it's more worth to mine in Exhumers and we don't get the ridiculous situation of people choosing Orcas over Exhumers as primary miners as their yields are the same.
Seriously, with Exhumer level yield and 187k m3 ore hold, who wouldn't spend 2-3 times more and just mine in an orca instead of an Exhumer? Fit right It will be near ungankable and is an afk miners dream, crazy. It is beyond a joke.
The solution; make the Orca max personal mining ability be at about 50% of that of an Exhumer. Still worth an additional mining for the fleet without taking the role as best/primary miner away from Exhumers.
This.
Just rename it to Ultimate AFK Miner and remove all other mining ships from the game. |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
268
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:54:07 -
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Will the Orca inherit the ship maintenance bay restrictions of the Rorqal, being able to only store barges, exhumers and industrial ships? Currently it can carry anything. |
Gibbel Charante
Cerberus Federation Cede Nullis
0
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:03:28 -
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Personally I'm liking the new changes. It's nice that Orca Pilots now get the opportunity to actually do something while mining. Especially considering Orca pilots cannot just sit AFK somewhere in space because now they have to ' actively' boost. These changes give the Orca Pilots something to do. |
XxUltradmbxX
Girl Friends Please Ignore League of Unaligned Master Pilots
14
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:17:36 -
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is the max yield with rigs and augmeted drones or all5 with t2 drones? |
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Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:32:26 -
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Another buff to freighter ehp o_O
I guess you really needed to go back and buff those freighters that could already fit a DC2.
The bowhead does not need more EHP. If they get caught outside highsec a little extra ehp won't help them. In highsec max tank bowheads almost never die. Go look at the killboards if you don't believe me.
The agility buff is weird too because everyone and their dog uses a mwd.
The orca is getting way too many buffs at once. Specific bays (ore, pi, whatever) have been used excessively already and mostly just remove any need to make choices when fitting a ship. This means people will be free to just fit max tank while at the same time getting more base ehp.
I realise the orca is getting more shield to make it survivable outside high sec. I think it's pretty obvious that if you want to keep the orca balanced in high sec it needs to lose way more hull to balance out the shield gain.
~just one more nerf~
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5896
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:34:33 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:Please increase the Scan Resolution on the Orca.
Put it this way: can a high-sec Orca even lock one of the Catalysts ganking it before (a) the Orca dies, or (b) all of the Catalysts die? Can the same Orca lock and kill an untanked gank Talos before CONCORD does the job for him?
DPS is useless if you can't apply it.
Guard your fleet with a fast-locking destroyer or interceptor, with sentry drones deployed by the mining fleet assisted to the guard. At a pinch you can use a scan-resolution-boosted hauler for the same job.
A lateral option is to have two Orcas, each providing one command burst and permanent remote reps to the rest of the fleet.
Fit for agility rather than tank, and warp out before hostiles land on grid.
Fit warp core stabilisers and warp out before getting blown up.
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Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:36:58 -
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Goati wrote:Who else thinks the Orca is way too powerful now? The idea that it can mine at the rate of an exhumer, with a 187.5k m3 ore hold, with huge EHP, it's just ridiulous. Orca is meant to be a support ship, not an exhumer equivalent mining vessel on steroids.
Why even use Exhumer any more? Orca costs 2-3 times more sure, but you only pay that once. You can be sure it won't be ganked if you know how to fit it, especially with the the new EHP.
I think CCP have gotten carried away and made it way too powerful. If you must keep the mining abilities, it should be able to mine at max about 50% the rate of an exhumer - that way it's more worth to mine in Exhumers and we don't get the ridiculous situation of people choosing Orcas over Exhumers as primary miners as their yields are the same.
Seriously, with Exhumer level yield and 187k m3 ore hold, who wouldn't spend 2-3 times more and just mine in an orca instead of an Exhumer? Fit right It will be near ungankable and is an afk miners dream, crazy. It is beyond a joke.
The solution; make the Orca max personal mining ability be at about 50% of that of an Exhumer. Still worth an additional mining for the fleet without taking the role as best/primary miner away from Exhumers.
CCP has mostly given up on balance and is trying to just release "cool stuff". See citadels in wormhole space.
Is the orca cooler now? Yes.
Is it way too powerfull? Yes.
Does, CCP care? ... |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1991
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:37:23 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:The orca is getting way too many buffs at once. Specific bays (ore, pi, whatever) have been used excessively already and mostly just remove any need to make choices when fitting a ship. This means people will be free to just fit max tank while at the same time getting more base ehp. Removing fitting concerns is exactly what they're for. They keep large bays from being able to be expanded farther than intended since they can't be modified by mods. That eliminates the need to nerf them to the point that they have to be expanded to begin with.
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Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:38:28 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:Please increase the Scan Resolution on the Orca.
Put it this way: can a high-sec Orca even lock one of the Catalysts ganking it before (a) the Orca dies, or (b) all of the Catalysts die? Can the same Orca lock and kill an untanked gank Talos before CONCORD does the job for him?
DPS is useless if you can't apply it.
"My 400k ehp afk mining boat isn't strong enough!" |
Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:44:01 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Ripard Teg wrote:Please increase the Scan Resolution on the Orca.
Put it this way: can a high-sec Orca even lock one of the Catalysts ganking it before (a) the Orca dies, or (b) all of the Catalysts die? Can the same Orca lock and kill an untanked gank Talos before CONCORD does the job for him?
DPS is useless if you can't apply it. Guard your fleet with a fast-locking destroyer or interceptor, with sentry drones deployed by the mining fleet assisted to the guard. At a pinch you can use a scan-resolution-boosted hauler for the same job. A lateral option is to have two Orcas, each providing one command burst and permanent remote reps to the rest of the fleet. Fit for agility rather than tank, and warp out before hostiles land on grid. Fit warp core stabilisers and warp out before getting blown up.
No, no the orca needs more buffs because maybe I might potentially at some point have to interact with another player. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1991
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:46:02 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Ripard Teg wrote:Please increase the Scan Resolution on the Orca.
Put it this way: can a high-sec Orca even lock one of the Catalysts ganking it before (a) the Orca dies, or (b) all of the Catalysts die? Can the same Orca lock and kill an untanked gank Talos before CONCORD does the job for him?
DPS is useless if you can't apply it. Guard your fleet with a fast-locking destroyer or interceptor, with sentry drones deployed by the mining fleet assisted to the guard. At a pinch you can use a scan-resolution-boosted hauler for the same job. A lateral option is to have two Orcas, each providing one command burst and permanent remote reps to the rest of the fleet. Fit for agility rather than tank, and warp out before hostiles land on grid. Fit warp core stabilisers and warp out before getting blown up. No, no the orca needs more buffs because maybe I might potentially at some point have to interact with another player. Interesting response considering the complaint is about not being able to interact with an aggressing player before the NPC police arrive. |
Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:52:15 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: Interesting response considering the complaint is about not being able to interact with an aggressing player before the NPC police arrive.
We could just delay concord and facpo by 20 seconds if that's what you want.
That reminds me, when is CCP announcing the corresponding buff to ganking?
CCP Fozzie wrote:we like to pair buff and nerfs to suicide ganking to keep things in balance |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1991
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Posted - 2016.10.04 22:57:21 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Interesting response considering the complaint is about not being able to interact with an aggressing player before the NPC police arrive.
We could just delay concord and facpo by 20 seconds if that's what you want. That reminds me, when is CCP announcing the corresponding buff to ganking? CCP Fozzie wrote:we like to pair buff and nerfs to suicide ganking to keep things in balance Or not buff Concord and instead look at whether the Orca's combat buff is intended as a gank response tool. Seems better to address the direct issue than get hyperbolic about it and pretend nerf all ganking is the only tool in the toolbox.
Is there a specific reason for not wanting the scan res? Or is this just general disagreement with the buff as a whole? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3628
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Posted - 2016.10.04 23:02:19 -
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Jin Kugu wrote: We could just delay concord and facpo by 20 seconds if that's what you want.
If we also get buffs to PG, CPU, & slots on all industrials and all barges, sure we can have slower concord. Or you know, we could consider that a single ship that wasn't heavily targeted by gankers anyway is not a significant nerf to ganking and CCP considered that that particular ship was too weak for it's class & cost. |
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