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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3578
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Posted - 2016.10.31 13:40:46 -
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Sgt ocker, how does the orca get only a couple of cycles before its full?
Your naive if you think afk mining is a myth. The most used barges are still retties and macks and rocks don't deplete after a few minutes. Plag rocks with 40-50k units and veld with over 100k units are not uncommon. I don't think ice belts deplete as fast as you think either. Teonusude is a ice mining hot spot but during the week each belt (there are two) can last a couple hours.
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aldhura
Perkone Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2016.10.31 17:49:49 -
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Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:Samsara Toldya wrote: WHAT THE HELL DID WE EVER DO TO YOU TO BE TREATED LIKE THIS
You whined like a helpless victim. Two things: - CCP is not keen on bumping. Their bumping thread said as much.
The orca looks like it was designed to be lord supreme of afk highsec mining/botting. That's just bad.
If they wanted to they could stop it. Its nice though that you can now have a free account to bump with, what a coincidence
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3690
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Posted - 2016.10.31 21:29:09 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Sgt ocker, how does the orca get only a couple of cycles before its full? Literacy, it's that thing you don't have. Now go back and read what he said again.
As for 100k Veld rocks, LMAO...... Yeah, never ever seen one of those in high sec, and I mine in out of the way systems. Maybe in Null you get such amazing things.
Retrievers may still be the most common miner, that's because it saves on down time warping back to station, so you get a higher efficiency, because a lot of high sec miners are not mining in some large operation with 20 pilots in fleet, but solo while chilling and chatting to friends. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3578
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Posted - 2016.11.01 14:42:49 -
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Ah i see. My bad.
Yes indeed, take a trip to teon during the week. I'll show you some dense veld rocks with over 100k units in. I'll also bump some miners for you and show you how they sit still for 20minutes.
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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
125
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Posted - 2016.11.02 15:13:58 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:Zan Shiro wrote:
2. If the bumpers carry out their threats of bump I predict it will speed up ccp making the idea of 3 minute rule reality. It won't help on belt mining. It will however offset players petitioning when they just want to gtfo and an hour plus later they are still stuck
Petition start
Hey ccp.. I was bumped starting at 2200. Tried to break free of if for an hour and half, Gave up went to bed and said what happens happens. And you know what...I woke up 0600 checked eve for giggles and grins and they were still bumping me. When fishing in wow is more productive to do man you all are really on the right track to a great game.
Fix this please.
Petition End
I have no issues with limited bumping. Seen it deny a few caps whose cyno just a bit too far from slipping into shield/dock range. Thing is...you or your fleet mate bumped the carrier to deny the easy out, dictor and dps hauling ass to lock and drop. Bump with the intent to have backup show up in a timely manner and kill the ship properly...by all means.
Bump because this thrills them for hours and not even going to shoot the damn thing...that is just tarded really. I know some call it emergent game play. Burn Jita, hulkageddon, goon ice interdictions years back....thats emergent game play. Bumping for hours with no plans to commit to a kill....is not emergent. Its a silent cry for help of some kind. Or they need to get laid really really bad.
The way bumping Orcas will work is much like the old miner bumping before the rise of CODE. After checking to see if the Orca pilot and his flock of minions have mining permits I will bump any non-compliant Orca away from the ice field. Once he's some 100-200 km away I will return to the ice field. If he attempts to slowboat back I will wait until he's getting close enough to start boosting again and I will bump him back to 100-200km. If he chooses to warp away and warp back into the fleet I will await his return and then immediately bump him back to the aforementioned 100-200km. At all times I will remind him of his obligation to follow the Code and purchase a mining permit. Results on this are mixed as some miners suppose they have "honor!" and "principles!" and would rather suffer the complete shutdown of their boosting or mining than pay the low, never changed, 10 million ISK. These I will keep bumping as long as I choose. The introduction of the three minute "get out jail free" card won't affect my tactics. In 2012/2013 before ganking became the main weapon of the New Order I often would bump a particular miner for as long as it took for either him to buy the permit, or give up and dock. I'm a little rusty now as I've spent the intervening years ganking miners but I look forward to dusting off the old Invincible Stabber FI and returning to bumping. Of course, my Stabber does fit a scanning module and I have the CODE. freighter ganking fleet on the batphone so they might come a callin'. All this aside, bumping Orcas will be a reasonable response to a change in highsec mining abilities. You may consider it a reflection of some real life issue we bumpers have but it makes sense in terms of our stated goals for highsec. I like a kill mail as much as the next guy but I'm also fine with forcing another player to comply with my will in whatever method I have available. Bumping Orcas WILL be a thing. Petitions away! Its so elegant: Code ganks miners - Miners get Orcas - Code bump orcas - Miners get Alphas Miners Gank code, The circle is complete |
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
562
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Posted - 2016.11.04 21:43:49 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote: Its so elegant: Code ganks miners - Miners get Orcas - Code bump orcas - Miners get Alphas Miners Gank code, The circle is complete
Kind of off-topic but there are problems with your theory.
1) Miners won't try to gank bumpers because they can't be bothered. 2) Miners can't successfully gank bumpers because CODE. always wins.
And
3) It will give us a kill right on them so their mining days are over for at least a month.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
84
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Posted - 2016.11.05 02:14:43 -
[277] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote:Iowa Banshee wrote: Its so elegant: Code ganks miners - Miners get Orcas - Code bump orcas - Miners get Alphas Miners Gank code, The circle is complete
Kind of off-topic but there are problems with your theory. 1) Miners won't try to gank bumpers because they can't be bothered. 2) Miners can't successfully gank bumpers because CODE. always wins. And 3) It will give us a kill right on them so their mining days are over for at least a month.
3 isent exactly a valid point cause they would use a alpha account to do the ganking. not their main account lol |
Cade Windstalker
605
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Posted - 2016.11.07 16:56:35 -
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FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:I think the Orcas yield is still to low personally. i think it should get another +600 to max mining per min with drones, and i think it should get more ice mining drone cycle bonuses.. I dont feel like this is enough.
i dont care if its "as good as a barge" as some people claim, it also cost 4x what that T2 barge cost so it should be Better at the job.
Also i think its time they added Capital Strip miners. the orca should beable to put 4 of them on if it wants to.. or atleast put 4 normal strip miners on... We have needed a Capital mining ship for a very long time now. Capital and super capital ships take armies of mining alts weeks of boring AFK mining to make even 1 ship..
As for the PVP players out there looking at this change, i want you to think about this.. if CCP makes these ships REALLY attractive, i mean REALLY REALLY freaking attractive for miners to be in them! (and no currently what is purposed is NOT enough for miners to want to risk them) mining. Than that means you will get more really expensive kills on your boards, and people might even try to defend them in belts which means even more fights and kills..
Edit: Ice mining drones are to dang big. please make them 25 m3/bandwidth. and not 50. thx
Oh lastly CCP, plz don't forget to make gas mining drones =)
my 2 cents. 0/
It's a support ship, you're not supposed to field a fleet of Orcas instead of Mining Barges or Exhumers, you're supposed to field an Orca and a fleet of Exhumers or make your trade-off in survivability for the lower yield of the Orca.
Your suggestions here are just a blatant request to benefit High-Sec miners because it's basically never going to be profitable to gank an Orca, the best you can do is bump them, something CCP is already looking at plans for dealing with as a system because it's riskless gameplay for the attacker and frustrating for the victim. |
Miss Stardust
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.11.07 19:45:30 -
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Quote:Unlike Combat Drones, Mining Drones don't have Microwarpdrives. They won't benefit from Drone Navigation Computers.
Sorry, this used to be true, but no longer. Drone Navigation Computers do MOST assuredly work on Mining Drones, and could be really a nice mid-slot add for Orca drivers. I ran them them on my Skiff as a matter of course and they work well.
I see above some have already tested it. Its been true for years and I can't believe it took 13 pages to even discuss.
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Frances Voltaire
Eldorado Exhumers
2
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Posted - 2016.11.10 03:45:11 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:I think the Orcas yield is still to low personally. i think it should get another +600 to max mining per min with drones, and i think it should get more ice mining drone cycle bonuses.. I dont feel like this is enough.
i dont care if its "as good as a barge" as some people claim, it also cost 4x what that T2 barge cost so it should be Better at the job.
Also i think its time they added Capital Strip miners. the orca should beable to put 4 of them on if it wants to.. or atleast put 4 normal strip miners on... We have needed a Capital mining ship for a very long time now. Capital and super capital ships take armies of mining alts weeks of boring AFK mining to make even 1 ship..
As for the PVP players out there looking at this change, i want you to think about this.. if CCP makes these ships REALLY attractive, i mean REALLY REALLY freaking attractive for miners to be in them! (and no currently what is purposed is NOT enough for miners to want to risk them) mining. Than that means you will get more really expensive kills on your boards, and people might even try to defend them in belts which means even more fights and kills..
Edit: Ice mining drones are to dang big. please make them 25 m3/bandwidth. and not 50. thx
Oh lastly CCP, plz don't forget to make gas mining drones =)
my 2 cents. 0/ It's a support ship, you're not supposed to field a fleet of Orcas instead of Mining Barges or Exhumers, you're supposed to field an Orca and a fleet of Exhumers or make your trade-off in survivability for the lower yield of the Orca. Your suggestions here are just a blatant request to benefit High-Sec miners because it's basically never going to be profitable to gank an Orca, the best you can do is bump them, something CCP is already looking at plans for dealing with as a system because it's riskless gameplay for the attacker and frustrating for the victim.
Well Said Cade! Industrial Command ships with mining drone bonuses is the BIG WIN. It can mine! Even if only 1/2 effective as an Exhumer. If you have an Orca and four Skiffs, you now have a 12.5% buff to your fleet resource gathering. The 187,500m3 maxed out Orca Ore hold has you staying on grid a whole lot longer which ups your fleets overall mining effectiveness. We all just got a GIANT bonus to mining in Orca boosted fleets without one single nerf or increase to risk. Lets quietly take this and be happy with it!
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1202
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Posted - 2016.11.10 11:37:17 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:I think the Orcas yield is still to low personally. i think it should get another +600 to max mining per min with drones, and i think it should get more ice mining drone cycle bonuses.. I dont feel like this is enough.
i dont care if its "as good as a barge" as some people claim, it also cost 4x what that T2 barge cost so it should be Better at the job.
Also i think its time they added Capital Strip miners. the orca should beable to put 4 of them on if it wants to.. or atleast put 4 normal strip miners on... We have needed a Capital mining ship for a very long time now. Capital and super capital ships take armies of mining alts weeks of boring AFK mining to make even 1 ship..
As for the PVP players out there looking at this change, i want you to think about this.. if CCP makes these ships REALLY attractive, i mean REALLY REALLY freaking attractive for miners to be in them! (and no currently what is purposed is NOT enough for miners to want to risk them) mining. Than that means you will get more really expensive kills on your boards, and people might even try to defend them in belts which means even more fights and kills..
Edit: Ice mining drones are to dang big. please make them 25 m3/bandwidth. and not 50. thx
Oh lastly CCP, plz don't forget to make gas mining drones =)
my 2 cents. 0/ It's a support ship, you're not supposed to field a fleet of Orcas instead of Mining Barges or Exhumers, you're supposed to field an Orca and a fleet of Exhumers or make your trade-off in survivability for the lower yield of the Orca. Your suggestions here are just a blatant request to benefit High-Sec miners because it's basically never going to be profitable to gank an Orca, the best you can do is bump them, something CCP is already looking at plans for dealing with as a system because it's riskless gameplay for the attacker and frustrating for the victim. "Never going to be profitable" Since when has ganking been all about profit?
If ganking for profit was the sole motivation, nearly half of the ganks across New Eden would never happen.
NB; I agree the Orca changes aren't and never should be intended to remove the need for miners in fleet.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Careby
308
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Posted - 2016.11.10 13:13:26 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:...you're not supposed to field a fleet of Orcas instead of Mining Barges or Exhumers...
Since when do EVE players do what they are "supposed" to?
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3295
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Posted - 2016.11.10 13:17:43 -
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Careby wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:...you're not supposed to field a fleet of Orcas instead of Mining Barges or Exhumers... Since when do EVE players do what they are "supposed" to?
when there is no benefit to not a barge fleet with orca support is just better than a fleet of orcas yield wise since orca boosts don't affect drones
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Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
50
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Posted - 2016.11.10 13:19:58 -
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These changes sound really good. One of the big problems you had as a miner was that someone needs to do the boost job and that someone will have their ore/min heavily reduced by sitting in the Orca. With this change people will love to be the booster as that means they can still go crazy on yield while having the biggest ore storage capacity.
It is tough to say how the Orca will compare to the smaller Porpoise, with lower gain and capacity but for a fraction of the price. My guess is that larger corps will stick with the Orca and smaller ones with the Porpoise.
The fitting upgrades look great, especially the high slots, which have been one of the major issues when fitting and Orca up to now. About the mid slots it would be great to know the passive shield recharge rate to see if those have - again - to be wasted on extenders, or if you can actually focus on mining stuff. I would have expected a slightly higher shield resistance here, as after all this is now the "T2" industrial command ship.
The align time is still a pain, but then this ship just has to have some downsides, so I guess it is ok. I wish there would be like a travel mode that you can switch on/off on stations only, to allow you to move your Orca from one system to another in less than what feels like an eternity. |
Careby
308
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Posted - 2016.11.10 13:23:49 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Careby wrote:Since when do EVE players do what they are "supposed" to?
when there is no benefit to not a barge fleet with orca support is just better than a fleet of orcas yield wise since orca boosts don't affect drones
Yes but a lot of miners choose ore hold over efficiency, for obvious reasons.
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Careby
308
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Posted - 2016.11.10 13:28:33 -
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Raw Matters wrote:...The align time is still a pain, but then this ship just has to have some downsides, so I guess it is ok. I wish there would be like a travel mode that you can switch on/off on stations only, to allow you to move your Orca from one system to another in less than what feels like an eternity.
A 500MN MWD reduces what feels like an eternity to what feels like only an eon.
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Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
50
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Posted - 2016.11.10 13:42:38 -
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Careby wrote:A 500MN MWD reduces what feels like an eternity to what feels like only an eon.
Orca makes you check if you have some leave days left to get your stuff from Amar to Rens. |
Captain Tardbar
Sunken Ships
1173
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Posted - 2016.11.10 15:11:24 -
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Jalxan wrote:I don't see why people are so concerned about bumping. If I ever need to worry about bumping, a 500mn MWD, and an Anchor rig, will easily boost that ship to 400,000,000kg. And that would put the relative end to that. It won't make it impossible, but it will surely make it far more difficult.
EDIT - I actually would like to see the ability to stack Anchor rigs, instead of being limited to just one. Or, alternatively, make a tech 2 rig which adds 150% or more instead.
I would like to know more.
Why does the MWD increase mass?
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Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
50
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Posted - 2016.11.10 15:13:45 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Why does the MWD increase mass? Because it says so in the description. |
Captain Tardbar
Sunken Ships
1173
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Posted - 2016.11.10 15:22:04 -
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Raw Matters wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Why does the MWD increase mass? Because it says so in the description.
Oh wow. 9 years of playing and learn new stuff all the time.
So if I put on a Higgs rig and 500 mwd then bumping is more difficult?
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Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
50
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Posted - 2016.11.10 16:12:46 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:So if I put on a Higgs rig and 500 mwd then bumping is more difficult? Yes and no. You can no longer push the Orca away from gates and WHs unless you bring heavy ships on your own, but you can still keep it from warping. |
Captain Tardbar
Sunken Ships
1173
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Posted - 2016.11.10 17:51:05 -
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Raw Matters wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:So if I put on a Higgs rig and 500 mwd then bumping is more difficult? Yes and no. You can no longer push the Orca away from gates and WHs unless you bring heavy ships on your own, but you can still keep it from warping.
So I guess that is why CCP is considering the 3 minute rule.
So with the rig and MWD, you couldn't be pushed away from the belt, but you couldn't warp out if needed?
What if I get some one to web me?
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Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
38
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Posted - 2016.11.11 19:55:10 -
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aldhura wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:I think the Orcas yield is still to low personally. i think it should get another +600 to max mining per min with drones, and i think it should get more ice mining drone cycle bonuses.. I dont feel like this is enough.
i dont care if its "as good as a barge" as some people claim, it also cost 4x what that T2 barge cost so it should be Better at the job.
Also i think its time they added Capital Strip miners. the orca should beable to put 4 of them on if it wants to.. or atleast put 4 normal strip miners on... We have needed a Capital mining ship for a very long time now. Capital and super capital ships take armies of mining alts weeks of boring AFK mining to make even 1 ship..
As for the PVP players out there looking at this change, i want you to think about this.. if CCP makes these ships REALLY attractive, i mean REALLY REALLY freaking attractive for miners to be in them! (and no currently what is purposed is NOT enough for miners to want to risk them) mining. Than that means you will get more really expensive kills on your boards, and people might even try to defend them in belts which means even more fights and kills..
Edit: Ice mining drones are to dang big. please make them 25 m3/bandwidth. and not 50. thx
Oh lastly CCP, plz don't forget to make gas mining drones =)
my 2 cents. 0/ How did you get it be "as good as a barge" ?? I am not a great miner, but was keen to see how close I could get them, but my mack easily out mines the orca. I am sure I have missed something as I still don't know what to do with all 6 HS :/
3 x boost 1xshield transfer 1xcap transfer 1x tractor beam ? pair them one shield booster and one mining booster trading cap and using shield transfers to keep miner safe. keep two roids locked and the other orca so you can easally rep the orca and keep those mining drones active the last two targets u use to lock up mingships in need of assistance. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
249
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Posted - 2016.11.12 00:32:14 -
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100% to drone mining yield,
Why not -50% cycle time for ice mining?
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
249
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Posted - 2016.11.12 01:53:10 -
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Careby wrote:Raw Matters wrote:...The align time is still a pain, but then this ship just has to have some downsides, so I guess it is ok. I wish there would be like a travel mode that you can switch on/off on stations only, to allow you to move your Orca from one system to another in less than what feels like an eternity. A 500MN MWD reduces what feels like an eternity to what feels like only an eon. Since when do 10 sec. count as an eon?
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
249
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Posted - 2016.11.12 02:25:21 -
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Raw Matters wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:So if I put on a Higgs rig and 500 mwd then bumping is more difficult? Yes and no. You can no longer push the Orca away from gates and WHs unless you bring heavy ships on your own, but you can still keep it from warping. Sadly not true.
A well fitted Mach with an 500MWD can bump your 400kt orca still up tp at least 1000m/s. And the 75%speed reduction of the higgs anchor makes it a pain to move back to the field or from one point to another in it.
Spare the higgs and use the 500MWD to bring your orca up to over 400m/s max speed. Watch the Mach and start aligning to it, when it's coming.
And then watch, who is bumping who.
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Careby
308
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Posted - 2016.11.12 09:11:15 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:Careby wrote:A 500MN MWD reduces what feels like an eternity to what feels like only an eon.
Since when do 10 sec. count as an eon? Since 37 sec. count as an eternity.
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Ded Akara
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2016.11.12 12:43:35 -
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Does anyone know if ice harvester drones got nerfed somehow? My orca on test used to get around 35 sec cycle time with a T2 ice drone but now it gets 50 seconds. That's with all skills maxed and T2 drone mining rigs. |
Raven Ship
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.11.12 20:55:46 -
[299] - Quote
There are quite few statments from people about how much is mined by what, but those peps forget about that those exhumers at present are getting boosts, ~2600m3 per min with mackinaw now, so switch from mining ship for orca will be downgrade for that miner. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
86
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Posted - 2016.11.12 22:25:00 -
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Raven Ship wrote:There are quite few statments from people about how much is mined by what, but those peps forget about that those exhumers at present are getting boosts, ~2600m3 per min with mackinaw now, so switch from mining ship for orca will be downgrade for that miner. ...and to get those boosts you need an orca. sure any orca after the first one would be kind of a waste. but there is always gonna be room for 1 orca. after that you should bring mining barges/exhumers. |
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