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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
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Posted - 2016.10.06 22:45:58 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Penance Toralen wrote: No it's already beaten. The orca pilot can just dump and anchor a dozen GSC in a sphere around the ship forming a cage. No bumping put. What's the next plan?
What's a "GSC" Giant secure container, i guess.
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Elijah Boondock
Murphys-Law
2
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Posted - 2016.10.07 00:52:59 -
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I'm concerned for a few reasons. > Lack of system wide mining bonus > Battle mining fleets using the orca and skiffs that are impossible to kill. > How about a mining increase to exhumers? so everyone that wasted training to mining barge level V for the hulk which got Raped Nerf-ed can have it back again. I use to be able to mine 1,100 m3 with three laser's and have a cargohold over 15k so i didn't need a haler or orca. just me. > This isn't a mining boost! I feel robbed by CCP's title! no mining ship got a boost non mining ships became mining ships. I'm a dual boxer nothing in this mining boost is going to help me unless i deiced to become a HS orca AFK miner. "next patch we remove the reason why we made plex's and allow every Asian farmer back into the game and return there isk" Clone grade alpha!
STORY A few years back my friend kept his Rorqual under a bubble as it was to expensive to loose. So he took this experience and used it for his orca as at the time Corp Jihads were a thing and 700 mil each was way too much to be replacing.
The bonus for fleet went the whole system tho. Under this new system you won't be able to leave expensive ships safe. Like WH. I don't care how cool you make the Rorqual i still think for the price it belongs under a bubble which are going away too.
Maybe eve is for a new generation and im just too old.
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Neugeniko
Insight Securities
79
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Posted - 2016.10.07 02:51:10 -
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Hi, Just some info for people trying to calculate drone mining on the new orca.
T2 Mining Drone Base Mining Amount = 33 m3 per minute 5 levels of Mining Drone Operation = 25% 5 levels of Drone Interfacing = 50% 5 levels of (NEW) Mining Drone Specialization = 10% 5 levels of Industrial Command Ships = 50% Orca Mining Drone Role Bonus = 100% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T1 Drone mining rig = 10%
*Mining drone rigs don't have a stacking penalty currently. Checked and confirmed in client.
Mining Amount per Drone = 33*1.25*1.5*1.1*1.5*2.0*1.15*1.15*1.1 = 297.04 m3 per minute 5 drones is 5 x 297.04 = 1485 m3 per minute
For augmented drones its then 1485*1.09 = 1619 m3 per minute
With current stats harvester drones would do 1636 m3 per minute, they don't benefit from mining drone specialization thou.
Cheers, Neug
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Marox Calendale
Human League Eleven Signs Network
86
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Posted - 2016.10.07 08:55:11 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:... Slot layout: 6H (+3), ... Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 60 / 0.26 (+0.1) / 150,000,000 (-100,000,000) / 54.07s (-1.38) ... Ore Hold: 150,000m3 (+100,000) ... Let us know what you think! These changes are really awesome. Additional High Slots were really needed to support mining fleets. Now you can boost and collect cans at one time. Great!
The Mass and orehold changes are also really awesome. You can-¦t image how happy I am with that. Now the orca is much better an alternative to jump ore thru any kind of wormhole to a T2 Hauler. These still have the better Mass/Orehold ratio, but now it is not as worse as it was before. But could we get a PI Extention too? Please! It is so annoying to jump PI thru wormholes. Even with T2 Haulers it is not very better to bring in 1 Million m-¦ of Pi. What about an Ore/Planetary Interaction Hold for the Orca? |
Goati
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2016.10.07 09:56:44 -
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Neugeniko wrote:Hi, Just some info for people trying to calculate drone mining on the new orca.
T2 Mining Drone Base Mining Amount = 33 m3 per minute 5 levels of Mining Drone Operation = 25% 5 levels of Drone Interfacing = 50% 5 levels of (NEW) Mining Drone Specialization = 10% 5 levels of Industrial Command Ships = 50% Orca Mining Drone Role Bonus = 100% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T1 Drone mining rig = 10%
*Mining drone rigs don't have a stacking penalty currently. Checked and confirmed in client.
Mining Amount per Drone = 33*1.25*1.5*1.1*1.5*2.0*1.15*1.15*1.1 = 297.04 m3 per minute 5 drones is 5 x 297.04 = 1485 m3 per minute
For augmented drones its then 1485*1.09 = 1619 m3 per minute
With current stats harvester drones would do 1636 m3 per minute, they don't benefit from mining drone specialization thou.
Cheers, Neug
So basically an orca will be able to mine like a boosted Exhumer with an epic sized cargo hold. The only way to counter it in most cases in high-sec is to bump it. This will end well. |
Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1142
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Posted - 2016.10.07 09:56:46 -
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Penance Toralen wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:A compression module for the Orca would be nice, having to dock it up every 16 or 17 minutes to empty it or have a freighter on standby (especially in lowsec), pretty much defeats its ongrid role.
Suggestion; Highslot module, lowsec/nulsec activation only, 300 Heavy water to activate (reduces by 25% per lvl Capital Industrial Ships) 60 second activation time, no auto repeat. Works just like its Rorqual counterpart by immobilizing the Orca for the duration of the cycle (has a nice clear animation so everyone nearby can see it is active) Is 17 minutes factoring in the increased orehold? I'd prefer a deployable and non-scoopable mobile compressor. (consumables are good for business). Which would also give soloist potential usage if it was small enough in cargo. Destoryable similar to the mobile tractor - so agressors can get action. If it was scoopable, then a compression loss at 1 in 6. It is, I have to dock up to empty it every 10 to 12 minutes now. It won't take much longer to fill the new ore hold.
I discarded a deployable as an option, as orca bumping is going to be a real thing.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5902
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Posted - 2016.10.07 11:34:57 -
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Marox Calendale wrote:GǪ alternative to jump ore thru any kind of wormhole to a T2 Hauler. These still have the better Mass/Orehold ratio, but now it is not as worse as it was before. But could we get a PI Extention too? Please! It is so annoying to jump PI thru wormholes. Even with T2 Haulers it is not very better to bring in 1 Million m-¦ of Pi. What about an Ore/Planetary Interaction Hold for the Orca?
Sounds like you need to suggest a T2 epithal, and the place for that is F&I discussion :D
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6201
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Posted - 2016.10.07 11:56:12 -
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Goati wrote:Neugeniko wrote:Hi, Just some info for people trying to calculate drone mining on the new orca.
T2 Mining Drone Base Mining Amount = 33 m3 per minute 5 levels of Mining Drone Operation = 25% 5 levels of Drone Interfacing = 50% 5 levels of (NEW) Mining Drone Specialization = 10% 5 levels of Industrial Command Ships = 50% Orca Mining Drone Role Bonus = 100% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T1 Drone mining rig = 10%
*Mining drone rigs don't have a stacking penalty currently. Checked and confirmed in client.
Mining Amount per Drone = 33*1.25*1.5*1.1*1.5*2.0*1.15*1.15*1.1 = 297.04 m3 per minute 5 drones is 5 x 297.04 = 1485 m3 per minute
For augmented drones its then 1485*1.09 = 1619 m3 per minute
With current stats harvester drones would do 1636 m3 per minute, they don't benefit from mining drone specialization thou.
Cheers, Neug
So basically an orca will be able to mine like a boosted Exhumer with an epic sized cargo hold. The only way to counter it in most cases in high-sec is to bump it. This will end well.
That's mining drones though. Which have travel time to and from roids. Even when you're right on top of them, the drones orbit at 5km, so you do lose time on it.
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1823
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Posted - 2016.10.07 12:23:59 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Goati wrote:Neugeniko wrote:Hi, Just some info for people trying to calculate drone mining on the new orca.
T2 Mining Drone Base Mining Amount = 33 m3 per minute 5 levels of Mining Drone Operation = 25% 5 levels of Drone Interfacing = 50% 5 levels of (NEW) Mining Drone Specialization = 10% 5 levels of Industrial Command Ships = 50% Orca Mining Drone Role Bonus = 100% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T1 Drone mining rig = 10%
*Mining drone rigs don't have a stacking penalty currently. Checked and confirmed in client.
Mining Amount per Drone = 33*1.25*1.5*1.1*1.5*2.0*1.15*1.15*1.1 = 297.04 m3 per minute 5 drones is 5 x 297.04 = 1485 m3 per minute
For augmented drones its then 1485*1.09 = 1619 m3 per minute
With current stats harvester drones would do 1636 m3 per minute, they don't benefit from mining drone specialization thou.
Cheers, Neug
So basically an orca will be able to mine like a boosted Exhumer with an epic sized cargo hold. The only way to counter it in most cases in high-sec is to bump it. This will end well. That's mining drones though. Which have travel time to and from roids. Even when you're right on top of them, the drones orbit at 5km, so you do lose time on it.
up to 3 cans ore per hour... this is not even close to a Venture I do not understand, what are you comparing. An unfitted Hulk without any MLUs?
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1997
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Posted - 2016.10.07 18:37:46 -
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Goati wrote:Neugeniko wrote:Hi, Just some info for people trying to calculate drone mining on the new orca.
T2 Mining Drone Base Mining Amount = 33 m3 per minute 5 levels of Mining Drone Operation = 25% 5 levels of Drone Interfacing = 50% 5 levels of (NEW) Mining Drone Specialization = 10% 5 levels of Industrial Command Ships = 50% Orca Mining Drone Role Bonus = 100% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T2 Drone mining rig = 15% 1 T1 Drone mining rig = 10%
*Mining drone rigs don't have a stacking penalty currently. Checked and confirmed in client.
Mining Amount per Drone = 33*1.25*1.5*1.1*1.5*2.0*1.15*1.15*1.1 = 297.04 m3 per minute 5 drones is 5 x 297.04 = 1485 m3 per minute
For augmented drones its then 1485*1.09 = 1619 m3 per minute
With current stats harvester drones would do 1636 m3 per minute, they don't benefit from mining drone specialization thou.
Cheers, Neug
So basically an orca will be able to mine like a boosted Exhumer with an epic sized cargo hold. The only way to counter it in most cases in high-sec is to bump it. This will end well. Depends on which exhumer. A 2 MLU Hulk mines 1698m^3/min WITHOUT boosts and ~2500 with a mindlinked max skilled Orca. A skiff 1203m^3/min without boosts, ~1780 with those same boosts.
If the idea is to have the Skiff and Mack stand out more then the orca could stand to be toned down a bit, but maybe the expectation is that most will forego full yield rigging and faction drones? |
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Flashmala
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
47
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Posted - 2016.10.07 19:58:53 -
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Drigo Segvian wrote:If the gankers are crying then its a good change. +1 CCP
Let the CODE salt flow...
Age does not diminish the extreme disappointment of having a scoop of ice cream fall from the cone.
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Goati
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2016.10.07 21:03:19 -
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Flashmala wrote:Drigo Segvian wrote:If the gankers are crying then its a good change. +1 CCP Let the CODE salt flow...
Tanked orcas were already not ganked anyway. 400k or 600k ehp, they are left alone.
The main change is that it will now be possible to shut down the fleet boosts of miners by bumping their Orca away. And the icing on the cake is that the Orca will not be able to mine either if it is bumped away.
Such a shame miners, to have such an overpowered vessel be completely countered by a bumper. |
Flashmala
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
47
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Posted - 2016.10.07 21:06:27 -
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Goati wrote:Flashmala wrote:Drigo Segvian wrote:If the gankers are crying then its a good change. +1 CCP Let the CODE salt flow... Tanked orcas were already not ganked anyway. 400k or 600k ehp, they are left alone. The main change is that it will now be possible to shut down the fleet boosts of miners by bumping their Orca away. And the icing on the cake is that the Orca will not be able to mine either if it is bumped away. Such a shame miners, to have such an overpowered vessel be completely countered by a bumper. Isn't bumping getting the 3-minute nerf?
Age does not diminish the extreme disappointment of having a scoop of ice cream fall from the cone.
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Balhut Fakutori
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.10.07 21:06:39 -
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Hello :)
First pillar, new boosts are solid imo, but Orca should have ore compression module instead of increased ore hold, some smaller version of industrial core, like siege and bastion modules. In the old days to compress ore in hisec you needed your own pos, but now you can compress ore for free anywhere (or 1-2 jumps away) thanks to citadels so why don't do it in belt. This would cover helping miners because orca would perform tasks that exhumers can't (boosts and ore keeping). You can haul in a hauler/freighter you don't need orca for that.
Second pillar, as said before security in hisec does not come from dps but from tank compared to value of your ship/fit/cargo, so if you fly cheap ship with tons of ehp you are safe, but if you have billions in cargo in untanked t1 hauler you are asking for trouble. This is true with mining ships too, and now mining ice with anything other than proc/skiff is suicide. So it would be cool that the same industrial module could extend orca's regular shield to be 5 km in radius so all mining ships can hide under it. And you would need to kill orca's shield in order to gank miners. This would provide protection because now one catalyst is enough to kill ret/covetor in few seconds. This module would allow only fleeted industrials to enter and make orca immobile and immune to bumping and it could run on heavy water or something.
Third pillar, mining in orca is good as long as it not outperform exhumers in this role.
you asked for feedback, you have it :) and sorry for my English thanks |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
838
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Posted - 2016.10.07 23:19:38 -
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Balhut Fakutori wrote:Orca should have ore compression module
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if you fly cheap ship with tons of ehp you are safe, but if you have billions in cargo in untanked t1 hauler you are asking for trouble.
How much cargo value do you think an Orca filled with compressed ore would amount to? "asking for trouble" levels? |
Jalxan
Spoopy Newbies Brave Collective
42
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Posted - 2016.10.08 01:33:34 -
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I don't see why people are so concerned about bumping. If I ever need to worry about bumping, a 500mn MWD, and an Anchor rig, will easily boost that ship to 400,000,000kg. And that would put the relative end to that. It won't make it impossible, but it will surely make it far more difficult. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1997
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Posted - 2016.10.08 02:47:29 -
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Flashmala wrote:Goati wrote:Flashmala wrote:Drigo Segvian wrote:If the gankers are crying then its a good change. +1 CCP Let the CODE salt flow... Tanked orcas were already not ganked anyway. 400k or 600k ehp, they are left alone. The main change is that it will now be possible to shut down the fleet boosts of miners by bumping their Orca away. And the icing on the cake is that the Orca will not be able to mine either if it is bumped away. Such a shame miners, to have such an overpowered vessel be completely countered by a bumper. Isn't bumping getting the 3-minute nerf? For warping yes, but that doesn't stop someone from bumping you again once you warp back.
It's going to be interesting to see how much dedication there is to the bumping cause. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
847
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Posted - 2016.10.08 03:05:11 -
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Jalxan wrote:I don't see why people are so concerned about bumping. If I ever need to worry about bumping, a 500mn MWD, and an Anchor rig, will easily boost that ship to 400,000,000kg. And that would put the relative end to that. It won't make it impossible, but it will surely make it far more difficult.
EDIT - I actually would like to see the ability to stack Anchor rigs, instead of being limited to just one. Or, alternatively, make a tech 2 rig which adds 150% or more instead.
Its the fitting tradeoff issue some would have. As seen in the CCP fix BS threads as well. Posters put up solutions in game now...and its I don't want to do that. I want to fit my ship my way the reasoning.
Me I see your point. some fits I have for many things are built around what may happen from other people and not the actual dream fit I'd like. Its an open sandbox mmo....sometimes you have to build your sand castles around other peoples stuff lol.
My orca just hauls crap and my smaller rat killing pve ships. I go with a mWD fit setup I saw somewhere else. Day comes I meet this issue, well guess we can tug of war between my mwd setup and their bumping till one side gets bored or I win and clear the situation lol.
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
244
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Posted - 2016.10.08 05:14:53 -
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Jalxan wrote:I don't see why people are so concerned about bumping. If I ever need to worry about bumping, a 500mn MWD, and an Anchor rig, will easily boost that ship to 400,000,000kg. And that would put the relative end to that. It won't make it impossible, but it will surely make it far more difficult.
EDIT - I actually would like to see the ability to stack Anchor rigs, instead of being limited to just one. Or, alternatively, make a tech 2 rig which adds 150% or more instead. My Orca does have an 500MWD onbord (10 sec to warp is priceless), while an AB too brings the same amount of extra mass . A well fitted Machariel or Stabber still can bump me to a speed of over 1000m/s. I tried an Higgs-Anchor but it did not help. On sisi, i even was able to bump a Rorqual with an MWD and a Higgs-Anchor on Indu-Mode with a Skiff. Not much, but it works.
If it can move, you can bump it.
If something seems impossible to do in EVE, people will find a way to do it.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
634
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Posted - 2016.10.08 13:44:29 -
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Ok, I'll put this out there.
For the min/max crowd and math geniuses.
Looking at the mining boosts the Orca only needs 2, Optimisation and Enhancement, which will leave 4 high slots. You don't need a tractor as you can just toss a mtu out.
So we'll have 4 slots to use....
What would the yield be if they were fitted with mining lasers along with the drones?
Along with the boosts ofc.
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
244
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Posted - 2016.10.08 13:54:17 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Ok, I'll put this out there.
For the min/max crowd and math geniuses.
Looking at the mining boosts the Orca only needs 2, Optimisation and Enhancement, which will leave 4 high slots. You don't need a tractor as you can just toss a mtu out.
So we'll have 4 slots to use....
What would the yield be if they were fitted with mining lasers along with the drones?
Along with the boosts ofc. Orcas can't use turrets.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
634
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Posted - 2016.10.08 14:38:05 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Ok, I'll put this out there.
For the min/max crowd and math geniuses.
Looking at the mining boosts the Orca only needs 2, Optimisation and Enhancement, which will leave 4 high slots. You don't need a tractor as you can just toss a mtu out.
So we'll have 4 slots to use....
What would the yield be if they were fitted with mining lasers along with the drones?
Along with the boosts ofc. Orcas can't use turrets.
Pffft
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perpetua Isimazu
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.10.08 18:45:29 -
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What with all the references to bumping, I think it might be interesting to see a watered down version of the industrial core for the orca and make all these new buffs to drone mining only accessible when said core was active.
That core should probably act the same way as the cores for the rorq when it comes to mobility.
Be interesting to see what new griefing methods would be employed if the orca was unable to be bumped. Perhaps those 50 man gank fleets that have been referenced in this thread might actually appear.
Or not.
Either way, it'd throw the cat among the pigeons and be fun to see what happened. ;) |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
840
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Posted - 2016.10.08 19:16:30 -
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
244
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Posted - 2016.10.08 21:13:16 -
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It's more like a bunch of cats(catalysts) vs one cow(orca).
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
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Posted - 2016.10.08 21:14:07 -
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perpetua Isimazu wrote:What with all the references to bumping, I think it might be interesting to see a watered down version of the industrial core for the orca and make all these new buffs to drone mining only accessible when said core was active.
That core should probably act the same way as the cores for the rorq when it comes to mobility.
Be interesting to see what new griefing methods would be employed if the orca was unable to be bumped. Perhaps those 50 man gank fleets that have been referenced in this thread might actually appear.
Or not.
Either way, it'd throw the cat among the pigeons and be fun to see what happened. ;) Please read post#169
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6205
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Posted - 2016.10.08 21:45:49 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:It's more like a bunch of cats(catalysts) vs one cow(orca).
Hippo amongst lions.
Woo! CSM XI!
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
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Posted - 2016.10.09 01:05:17 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Mark O'Helm wrote:It's more like a bunch of cats(catalysts) vs one cow(orca). Hippo amongst lions. Hippos kill more people per year then lions. Orcas in Eve are more like vegetarian.
New comparision: 20 white sharks vs. 1 blue whale.
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Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher.
Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)
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PhosGate
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.10.09 05:03:13 -
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lots of todo being made on how much ORE this will be able to pull in while in high sec.
Augmented mining drones will not see that much use in high sec. Maybe islands and quite regions of low and null but not the standard high use areas of high sec. They are much too squishy for the cost. I am not a ganker but if I see aug mining drones on D I absolutely will be grabbing a Thrasher with unstacked arti's warping to zero on the Orca and popping one to three of them as he tries to pull them back into the drone bay. Being able to do that much isk damage that easily will be a thing. These drones will be over 200mil each and unlike ORE mining lasers, will be hanging out in space all by their onesies alone and afraid. I will be compelled to put them out of their misery and most certainly will not be the only one doing this. Might even be a new thing for highsec. Gankers, bumpers and now drone rapers or some such thing. I'll leave the naming convention to you cool kids. Figure your mining calculations for the Orca in highsec with T2 drones when comparing how much they can mine as related to barge/exhumer. |
Roy ThunderRoad
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2016.10.09 09:39:16 -
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@ PhosGate
Lol I have no axe to grind on this subject either way - but Sir I salute your post for two reasons.
1 - I like your style of putting your point accross
2 - you have, in this single post, nullified half the whine in this thread
o7
Cheers Roy
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