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Fuujin hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:14:00 - [451] Edited by: Fuujin on 29/03/2007 22:10:18 Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight. If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks. I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK. I think we already established isk isn't the victory point in this fight.
Haulerinn Searing Arrows	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:14:00 - [452] Think of what 1300 people could have npced for instead of wasting there evening sitting stuck jumping in.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:14:00 - [453] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight. If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks. I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK. We're not BOB, we dont fit faction on our dreads, were told not to. Max is 300 mill per ship Total, of what survived, may get 100 mill per dread worth of stuff.
Jinnigan Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:14:00 - [454] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight. If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks. I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK. You'd think that someone from LV would understand the intangible benefits of a capital shipyard loss.
Adirawin Gallente The Return FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:15:00 - [455] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight. If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks. I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK. You're using "ifs" then saying it's "clear"? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:15:00 - [456] Originally by: Haulerinn Think of what 1300 people could have npced for instead of wasting there evening sitting stuck jumping in. qft - - - - - - - - - - Give this a read.
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:15:00 - [457] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion Originally by: Frygok Originally by: THEDON1 Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49 how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ? Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point. I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station. /sigh at CCP To get a lot of kills? Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads. That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it.
Draxxxion GIT-R-DUN Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:16:00 - [458] Originally by: Frygok Originally by: THEDON1 Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49 how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ? Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point. I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station. /sigh at CCP To get a ton of kills while you guys shoot a POS,a pos I might add that only the coalition believes anything was in....since your propoganda guys started saying it had a Titan in it...
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:16:00 - [459] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK. This battle was not about ISK, whats your point?
Ruato Gallente Gurgleblaster Industries	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:16:00 - [460] So.. Summary basically is: BoB+allies couldnt defend their installation, even if they brought in everything they got. My point is not to smack BoB+allies, point is that now its proven BoB can be defeated (its gonna cost, but i doubt that came as a surprise to anyone) If i was in BoB leadership, i would find that kinda worrying. --- *Get rid of those bleeping secure containers. bleep!*

The Beatnuts Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:16:00 - [461] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight. If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks. I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK. It's not the ISK that matters at this point, it's the tactical advantage a third titan brings you, a last and deadly doomsday making the three DD barely untankable for a BS. Jump bridge, gang bonuses and doomsday : totaly priceless my friend, priceless. /omee
Belial02 Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:17:00 - [462] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar The biggest loser in this battle was CCP and its attempts to bring us fleet battles. I hope they rethink what they have done with gang code and jump ins, the rediculous lag on jump in, the fact some people are still loading a system right now, that they were podded in. Agreed. Either make fleet battles possible or change the system so that its not necessary. Its an emergency. Originally by: Omeega diplomacy is f1, f2, f3, really...
KeyuserII	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:17:00 - [463] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
Enthes goldhart Gallente Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:18:00 - [464] black screen of death ftl.....
SigmaPi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:18:00 - [465] I've been stuck with a black jump screen for over 2 hours now... CCP needs to fix something, 'cause I just wasted prety much 3 days of my life waiting for an epic fight that i never got to enjoy. /Siggy
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:18:00 - [466] Originally by: Frygok Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads. That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it. lol, but then surely it would be BoB's moral victory too. So no one would have won. But really you're saying it doesn't matter if there was a Titan there or not, which is just plainly silly to anyone with sense. - - - - - - - - - - Give this a read.
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:18:00 - [467] I logged off now, at least I'm alive, but I didn't saw a single bob O____o. I even lagged out at what was supposed a camped stargate but I supposed that my malediction wasnt called primary so I escaped. I can't play I will generate less lag offline. and in other news : Quote: [21:37:35] Frobbe > Toppar Wear > ja:[21:26:16] DigitalCommunist> tbh rkk directors just cried on ts<br><br><DigitalCommunist> they're in tears man friendly pat on the shoulder ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 - [468] Originally by: Kozak Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight. If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks. I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK. We're not BOB, we dont fit faction on our dreads, were told not to. Max is 300 mill per ship Total, of what survived, may get 100 mill per dread worth of stuff. Three capital guns/launchers (four for a Nag): 150m (200m) Siege module: 50m Capital repper x2 (one booster on a Phoenix): 100m (50m) That's 300m before you add on hardeners, cap chargers, rigs, etc., etc. If you can fit a dread (especially a Nag, which I believe is what most of -A- flies) competently for just 300m, you win Eve. --P
Bon Ali Bon's Ecological Recycling	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 - [469] For all of those asking how the coalition knew what was in the array, how about the big ******* timer, you morons?
Khensu Blade Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 - [470] Originally by: Frygok Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion Originally by: Frygok Originally by: THEDON1 Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49 how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ? Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point. I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station. /sigh at CCP To get a lot of kills? Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads. That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it. Even if they unveiled a new titan or two in the next few weeks?

Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 - [471] Actually, no hamsters died? Are you KIDDING me? If that's the case, well, lag, shame about it, but I'd have bet quite a few rounds of beer that nodes would be harmed in the production of this epic battle. Whoever's responsible for THAT (Sharkbait? Valar?): Way to go! Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in
Breisies Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 - [472] we will win eve
Mistah FAB Ghost Ride The Whip	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 - [473] I would post a photoshop of the Iraqi Information Minister saying "there was no titan here" but that is so old that I'm not going to. Oh yeah, ghost ride the titan~ --- When you get a new car, and you're feelin like star What you gonna do? GHOST RIDE IT
Kriwich Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 - [474] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 - [475] Originally by: Draxxxion To get a ton of kills while you guys shoot a POS,a pos I might add that only the coalition believes anything was in....since your propoganda guys started saying it had a Titan in it... Can I say that we picked up the Titan BPO that dropped from the POS or would that be propoganda.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 - [476] Red: "You lost more isk than we did!" Blue: "No you did!" Pathetic.
Eutectic Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 - [477] Well as someone who was there and lost a Moros, full insurance btw, all I can say is it was worth it to me and my mates. I had fun and in end Eve is a game to me and having fun is the point. Lag was fairly bad, but not unbearable. Past assaults I've been on were much much worse. Cap ship yard was downed as well, so mission accomplished. Dread will be repaced shortly so in end it was well worth the loss for what was accomplished. From my point of view I got what I wanted from the battle. My foes have thier own entitled opinions as to results as well. For those not involved in this yet posting adnauseum I posit this: "Why don't you pick a side and shoot someone?" Trust me it's fun win, lose, or draw.
laotse shangdi	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 - [478] is this the begining of the end ?? for bob ccp stay out of this 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
dirtystockbird The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:22:00 - [479] Yeah, I think the real overall problem here is that nobody on either side had any fun. And thats exactly what people are supposed to be doing in this game.
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:23:00 - [480] Edited by: Frygok on 29/03/2007 22:19:34 Originally by: Zhaine Originally by: Frygok Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads. That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it. lol, but then surely it would be BoB's moral victory too. So no one would have won. But really you're saying it doesn't matter if there was a Titan there or not, which is just plainly silly to anyone with sense. I am not saying that it doesn't matter. I am saying that for the Coalition it is irrelevant whether there were a titan or not. Because for them, there -was- a titan in the shipyard, and for them it will just be another BOB spin if they claim there were no titan in there. It's about perception. Yes, BOB will certainly also have a morale victory, no doubt. But they won't convince the Coalition about their morale victory, thus tearing into BOB'S home and destroying a shipyard with a titan in it(whether or not it was actually there) will encourage to more attacks and to the fact that BOB can be beaten. Psychological warfare ftw.



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