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ForceAttuned Krogoth
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
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2 bob mother ships down?
and the system is caped at 700?
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Divus
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
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Abram
Caldari Master Miners Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
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Worst lag ever, and i have been around. Thanks for the fun, time for some BF2
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/03/2007 21:49:45 Everyone expected to lose a lot, coming into this.
EVE favors defenders. It's always better to be the blob on the gate, than the blob jumping through. It's doubly hard when the defender is BoB, on their own turf.
Knowing that, hundreds showed up. I think that says something about the general spirit in this game. ----
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 29/03/2007 21:45:15
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: DeathGrip lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
Well you can build 75 dreads at once in stations and freighter minerals to those stations. It not really comparable. Its not really an ISK thing.
the logistics of Titan construction are enough to make anyone feel ill - thats the real killer, the time you sink into it
Time is the biggest single cost in eve, and the most valuable commodity a player can give.
70 dreads is worse on logistics, you can unload freighters at POS's if you use freight cans . . .
You're wrong, plain and simple.
You can build as many dreads as there are factory slots in a lowsec station.
You cannot compare the two in terms of time and effort.
With ISK, which is frankly not hard to come by for a group of major alliances, you can simply pay any number of industrial corps to build your dreads. Now tell me you can do that with a titan.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Angor Thats it, i officially hate this game. absolute pathetic and im not even a in the thick of it. on a gate camp a few jumps out. i actually feel guilty for the half of dozen hostiles we did kill as im sure they knew nothing about it. eve is seriously not going to survive this and grow as a game if this is all its going to be about. if more people are to sign up to this game and find this kind of rubbish happening then whats the point... i really want the last 2 hrs of my life back as that was a joke. complete dissapointment, not fun at all... i cant believe i feel like this and i didnt even loose my ship... i would have laughed if someone locked me because it would have meant i could see them... "OMG A TARGET!!!" so peeved off... how many so called "battles" like this does this game have to have before everybody gives up on it?
Hey man, dont feel bad, I at least got a pretty view your sabre orbiting my ship. no overview, no controls and a wreck icon on my otherwise intact looking ship, but its all good :)
Koronos
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Ander
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
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Confirmed: - Lots of dreads of coalition down. Comment: However, MOST are insured. Insure-cost 500mill per dread. If 60 dreads were lost 30bill would also be spent + the fitting.
- POS downed. Comment: Consider the build cost of a titan. +60billion isk + bpc .
- Lots of coalition T1 ships lost (including the dreads). - Insurance was payout has been given.
Not-confirmed: - How many dreads were lost.
You do the equation.
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The Slayer
Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: The Slayer on 29/03/2007 21:49:35 Well to be fair, dreads are insurable, an unborn titan is not. ^^ GODDAMN YOU ^^
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Kozak
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
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Everyone doesnt' realize that most large alliances buid dreads, I inured mine, had regular mods on, worth about 200-300 mill, got back 1.6 billion about, will get a new one from alliance, so lost aobut 600 mill total. Times that by 50 and you dont' even come close to what a Titan costs or even what was lost in the fight where bob lost 9 faction fitted dreads.
We were all told this will most likely be a one way trip. We all treated it as so.
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ALPHA12125
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fubear The big differance here is that 50 Dreads are easily replaceable, a Titan is not.
Between the various alliances involved, I would expect all Dread losses to be replaced within the week with the various industrial corps working on replenishing depleted stockpiles. BoB have to wait months for the replacement Dread. The damage anothe BoB Titan would ultimately inflict after construction has to be taken into account as well.
I think it is a definate victory for the Coalition, even if the ISK values fall out of favor for the battle itself. Hats off to them for having the balls to commit to the fight, knowing that it was most likely suicide for the entire dread fleet because lag (apparently) made them warp/jump in in dribs and drabs.
i would agree if it was the first titan. but the tactical value of four titans instead of three is well :)
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DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:54:00 -
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I think all in all, both sides will claim victory. BoB destroyed enough capitals to make it well worth it for them, collition destroyed a Cap Ship Yard.
I do know the fleet fight 2 jumps out with 400 poeople in local we killed about 40-50 more bs's and I had fun other than the lag.
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
TornSoul
BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pieg
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: DeathGrip
Originally by: Frygok But they got the POS.
BOB said bring it, The Coalition brought it.
I hardly think they went in without knowing that there was quite a chance they could lose their ships. But they went in anyway.
All this talk about "not being worth it" is ridiculous. They set a goal, and they reached it. Despite their losses and people trying to compare it isk vs. isk seriously need to wake up.
They went into BOB space, a mix of alliances BOB has ridiculed on these very forums, and they took down a cap shipyard. I know who I would call the "winner", if there is such a thing.
If every POS costs the collition this many ships, they are in trouble, dont care how you look at it.
If every POS has a 60b baby titan in it, I bet its worth it. Don't pretend this wasn't an exceptional fight, BoB would never have brought similar numbers for a normal POS.
Why not? The perfect trap id say. I bet the pos didnt even contain anything worth mentioning.
Forget the ISK - It's replacable.
The moral victory on the other hand is pricelss.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:55:00 -
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Good Job Coalition. I rushed home from work, logged in my dread, only to see the coalition dreads already jumping into F-T...missed it by 5 minutes.
Good job though.
Shamis
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Orin Fatch
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:55:00 -
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700 people max in the system is just stupid..
So the hunders of people in frigs flying around causing lag. just doing nothing. These people can stop the attackers, or defenders from gaining the upper hand.
In other words. (as an example of how stupid limiting is) BoB had 400 in system Coalition could only get max of 300
On top of that, BoB forces had already loaded the system grid. Coalition, having to load the grid, keep dropping, and disconnecting.
So the people who lost their POS, who can fight (with lag) but at leats play complain and say, we ost out POS. fine.
But the people who couldn't load in the first place. or because of lagg disconnection. get jumped in when they are all alone. get killed. and their petition will be rejected as well.
Dont tell me, its a fair fight. Because of game mechanics and server, the battle was ruined for many many people.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:55:00 -
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CCP 4tl!!!
4 hours to jump 3 jumps and then we still had 2 more to go.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
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I hope CCp can see this AGAIn as a great example how idiotic was to introduce titans as they are into the game
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:55:16
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
Also, at about 3 bil to buy and fit a dread, losing 25 of them is 75bil, as much as the cost of a titan.
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Frygok
Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Melissa Mao Edited by: Melissa Mao on 29/03/2007 21:44:51
Originally by: Fuujin Regardless of losses (to which i myself am not aware of) i think the greater victory is the moral one.
So you are saying that it gives you a moral high to know that with thousands of ships and 100+ dreads you are able to take down a BOB pos. :)
Well :) To each his own :)
Not to mention that they actually brought it to BOB'S backyard, knowing they would get severe lag due to be those jumping in. They didn't care, they did it anyway.
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Von Zarovick
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
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Im pretty sure CCP changed realoding times, and jumping times
it took me over 40 minutes reloading, this is not an exaggeration, it took over 40 minutes.
I pressed jump, at least 40 times over these 40 minutes, nothing happened <3 lag. Signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected]) |
Ty'derian
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip I think all in all, both sides will claim victory. BoB destroyed enough capitals to make it well worth it for them, collition destroyed a Cap Ship Yard.
I do know the fleet fight 2 jumps out with 400 poeople in local we killed about 40-50 more bs's and I had fun other than the lag.
no
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Gershomea Raphael
Solarflare Heavy Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:57:00 -
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Talk about anti-climax. Rushed home from work at lunchtime, bought and fitted a ship, rushed back to work, got home early, wapred 20-odd jumps to end up stuck for 1 hour 10 minutes and counting on a gate 1 jump from the fight.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Christ its amazing how Axe and Corm have so quickly turned into BoB-Fanbois.
Yes, we should have allied with the Russians after fighting them for only the better part of 2006.
/Ben
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Dave White
The Kennels
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dave White on 29/03/2007 21:54:42 Well, the server lives to see another day.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Derindar
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Christ its amazing how Axe and Corm have so quickly turned into BoB-Fanbois.
Yes, we should have allied with the Russians after fighting them for only the better part of 2006.
/Ben
Heaven forbid you fight neither, or both.
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Cpt Pugwash
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total Anywhere from 2-7 Titans Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships 5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our *snip*.
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DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: DeathGrip on 29/03/2007 21:54:59
Originally by: Ty'derian
Originally by: DeathGrip I think all in all, both sides will claim victory. BoB destroyed enough capitals to make it well worth it for them, collition destroyed a Cap Ship Yard.
I do know the fleet fight 2 jumps out with 400 poeople in local we killed about 40-50 more bs's and I had fun other than the lag.
no
You cant say no when everyone is doing so :)
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:52:31 It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
I'm afraid you're completely wrong about that. As has been stated many many times before, dreads are infinitely more replaceable than Titans. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if RA has more liquid ISK than BoB.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:52:31 It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
SPread out on over like 10-15 alliances.... dont shoot yourself in your foot...
Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes |
Armenia Elclestis
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:00:00 -
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Ty'derian
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 29/03/2007 21:54:59
Originally by: Ty'derian
Originally by: DeathGrip I think all in all, both sides will claim victory. BoB destroyed enough capitals to make it well worth it for them, collition destroyed a Cap Ship Yard.
I do know the fleet fight 2 jumps out with 400 poeople in local we killed about 40-50 more bs's and I had fun other than the lag.
no
You cant say no when everyone is doing so :)
I can : ) cause i have the power of [DEV]
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