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Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:54:00 - [541] Originally by: Nez Perces The real question is, what was BoB's objective? To defend the capital ship yard, or inflict as much damage as possible? I beleive Seleene posted in this thread that they were going to kill EVERY Coalition dread at the POS. Unless the Coalition only had 30 Dreads it sounds like they failed. The numbers I have been given are 30 Dreads + 10 Carriers lost. Assuming after insurance each ship is a loss of 500Mil, and has a generous 500Mil fitting, that is 40Bil in losses that can be immediately replaced from stockpiles and easily rebuilt over a short timespan. RKK lost around 50Bil in uninsurable materials as well as a POS+Construction Yard. The loss is not replacable or insurable, it will take another 50Bil and months of logistics to RKK to get back to where tehy were today in regards to the construction. A Titan on the battlefield can make a huge differance - can someone in BoB tell us what the average ISK destroyed figure for their Titans is over the last 8 weeks? The coalition have basically prevented another multiplication of whatever that figure is in losses over the course of time. This fight is not about raw ISK values, it is about preventing BoB from gaining another MASSIVE long term battlefield advantage regardless of the cost to do so.
Womble God Gallente Thw Womblers	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:54:00 - [542] Originally by: Fuujin Originally by: Womble God Why are people sitting here posting that there is the potential there was no titan being built? Do you guys actually believe that or just saying it for arguments sake. Bob has admitted a titan was being built there, and notice no one in an actual top position in the BOB and Allies has denied it here. A titan was destroyed, but at the cost of over 50 dreads. The real argument should be over is 50 dreads worth more than a titan? That argument ended a few pages back. I am still trying to get caught up, in the time it took me to post it I lost 3 pages of replies.
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:54:00 - [543] It was a big shame a large portion of people simply couldnt get involved because they were lagged out on the way.
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:55:00 - [544] Originally by: Zhaine Originally by: CRUSH3R If our support fleet managed to reach ft-e it was a very different fight.... I wish one day we will be able do play large-scale fleet battles but today it's nearly impossible :\ Well neither LV support nor the AXE/PANIC/CRII/XS/Fountain gang reached F-T or whatever the sys is. I can confirm that, we had 100 people in the system next door, and the lag was so bad we could not even make new safespots to warp to. All in all, there where over 400 people in that system (some where hostiles though). But if you tried to reach ft- instead of f-t, I can understand your frustration
Toppar Wear Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:55:00 - [545] Originally by: Vardemis Originally by: laotse seleene didnt you belong to a neutral mercenary group Well, being neutral as a merc would mean you are unemplyed, they are employed. I would find it rather bad business practise not to fight for their employer, don't you think? So how much does it cost to get MC to fight in CAOD
xh'duality Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:55:00 - [546] Originally by: Buxaroo update: someone linked me a picture: Cap Ship display if there ever was one Damn.....thats a lot of cap ships. Just to prove BOB did cause most of the lag purposly trying to safe theyre pos. But they cant break the will of a raging collition. Once again we see bob are using dirty tricks to save em sleft. Well this time they failed. Yes they might have killed alot of us cause we couldnt do anythign at all but we had the ballz to go in with what ever we had nomother what the outcome is going to be. about 800+ pilots who where not able to join the main fleet due lagg problem with in 8 jumps radious. GG --------------------------------------------------- It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN [The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON
Red Crown Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:56:00 - [547] Originally by: Buxaroo update: someone linked me a picture: Cap Ship display if there ever was one Damn.....thats a lot of cap ships. 1. Thats cool. 2. I love your FPS! I can't wait for the day that the internet can't handle EVE lag and has to transfer some of it over to WoW. We need combat reporters in this game. Internet spacewars are too cool not to take pictures of. "EVE is the worst MMORPG. Except for all the other ones." [KUDZU] = Coalition.
WallStArb CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:56:00 - [548] Plenty of Dreads and Carriers in Aurohunen on the market... 2b for dreads and 1b for carriers. Keep up the good fights! Some must die so others may become infinite
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 - [549] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Malachon Draco On the subject of reimbursement. POSses never suffer from lag, therefore reimbursement due to lag is not relevant. Ships do suffer from lag. And thus reimbursement can be warranted. Combat actions around the POS ARE affected by lag though, such as the support ships trying to login and boost the shields and armor of a POS. The POS's actions are unaffected, but you're naive to think that a POS would be in the same situation if players had no lag at all. In no lag, a POS goes from reinforced to death in minutes with that amount of dreads pounding it. You can't stop that amount of DPS. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Light Darkness Mercenaries of Andosia	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 - [550] Edited by: Light Darkness on 29/03/2007 22:53:30 Originally by: Dahin Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 29/03/2007 22:31:20 Confirmed wrecks at the site of the battle where the POS was. More down in system. Amarr Dreadnought Wreck Tyrrax Thorrk Duke Rottingham Burzhuj Olath Sargtlin White Sorceress GodLight Badshah Caldari Dreadnought Wreck Jim Lovell d0omer Carlow Silmas Archangel Deck crusader77 Minmatar Dreadnought Wreck Voltaire Leriel Anthoni MIner ArchE Solene Solux SokolD TheSizzler Awalance Nolon3 Great Mogul Fred0 Terrorisma Gallente Carrier Wreck Pervis deux Shark 0mega Bjarg Gallente Dreadnought Wreck Sheron Cristal Kozak XaHyPuK Koldyr Eutectic Alexey MEP3OCTb Curtain Bestia Negra Barry Mcintosh Zeppeline Buddrow Legionar Ottar Ramius Lunas Feelgood Vinzenz To my knowledge lunas survived the battle and logged off in a mid-sol after trying to jump to a station for 30 mins. At least that's what he was saying while trying to get the cyno out untill he said "ah ** that I logged". Great job. Do we get a completly count from both sides?? Regards /LD Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed.-Eldo Dont look so much on the sig¦s.look more on the petition section¦s !!- LD**

Frygok Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 - [551] Originally by: Kinsy It was a big shame a large portion of people simply couldnt get involved because they were lagged out on the way. Very much agreed. Would have loved to see the combined forces of defenders and attackers fighting in several systems, in various groups. Maybe sometime in the future, when I am an old man, we will see such things :)
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 - [552] Edited by: Doddy on 29/03/2007 22:53:41 Originally by: CRUSH3R If our support fleet managed to reach ft-e it was a very different fight.... I wish one day we will be able do play large-scale fleet battles but today it's nearly impossible :\ Bob support fleet didnt really make it either
Fuujin hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 - [553] Well it was certainly fun trying to jump in and load all those fighers.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 - [554] Theres only one way to see if there is a titan there. And that is for a spy in that alt corp to open industry and search for jobs that the corporations owns. If there is a job that goes on for a very long time.... Then you know theres a titan there... Simple. Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:58:00 - [555] Originally by: Frygok Originally by: Algey Originally by: Kaeten Why would BoB defend agaisnt such a fleet unless... 1) They actully had a titan... 2) They knew they were gonig to win... Pick one. To kill a huge number of cap ships, weakening their enemies for assaults over the next few days prehaps... Well, so far they haven't done much to attack those alliances they laughed at, like D2, Goons... Some of the comments that have been made about said alliances makes one wonder why BOB is only defending, not attacking? 1V1 any of those alliances would be conquered by BOB. 10v1 They take almost a month to reach into delve and hit a pos, but at the cost of what? I could have sworn BOB had regained sov to a station system down south from goon or ka tet (to tired to verify, anyone know what I am thinking?) --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Fuujin hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.29 22:58:00 - [556] Edited by: Fuujin on 29/03/2007 22:56:55 I hear the BOB spin is starting already! Question: For those that crashed in system and were probbed out and killed while not in combat due to the lag or jsut the server strain, how will cpp sort their reinbursment petitions
R0niN kR0	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:01:00 - [557] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
Mad Mackem E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:01:00 - [558] Originally by: MaxSkywalker Hope someone is gonna make a vid of this fleet battle, I dont care how laggy it is.. :P If anyone was able to fraps and play in that system deserves a petition.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:02:00 - [559] I was at the pos in my dread for pretty much the entire fight, and I had the lock bug the entire time. I'd begin locking something, it would finish and say "locked", then cycle back as if I'd only just started locking it. I never fired a single shot the entire time. Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" Might As well Train Another Race
RaBbLe66 Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:02:00 - [560] Originally by: Ituralde My only question is... If its so easy to replace that many dreads, why didn't you risk them beforehand? Simply so even the stupid can understand, target came up that was worth hitting, and support was available, Understand folks, this was not simply a fight against a cap shipyard, but also the first real test of the southern coalition vs BoB, Can the coalition bring the numbers to take on BoB on thier home turf and win , tonight that was answered. 1.yes they can as long as they are willing to take losses 2.BoB for all thier SP cannot hold against overwhelming numbers Welcome to warfare 2007, whre losses dont count only numbers

Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:03:00 - [561] Originally by: Kozak I'm dead, have screenshots of black and white screens every 2 mintues for over 30 minutes... Hope that is enough for petition. I would not petition if I atleast fired ONE f'ing SHOT!!! You knew full well what the situation would be with that many people cramming into the system. I bet CCP doesn't reimburse anything, as they shouldn't. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Ivor Gunn	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:04:00 - [562] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
Rawstyle Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:05:00 - [563] heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:06:00 - [564] Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:07:00 - [565] Originally by: Kaeten Theres only one way to see if there is a titan there. And that is for a spy in that alt corp to open industry and search for jobs that the corporations owns. If there is a job that goes on for a very long time.... Then you know theres a titan there... Simple. I hear rumors the corp running that POS had 6 members. That's sort of a good way to limit the number of spies. Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:07:00 - [566] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down. BOB only lost one Titan :)
CardboardSword42 Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:07:00 - [567] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down. Apparently capital ships in production don't count as capital ships any more? I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:08:00 - [568] Originally by: Rawstyle heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage? negative. Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed. - -
RaBbLe66 Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:09:00 - [569] Quote: Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down. A titan 7 days from being launched is not a cap ship??? shake your head boy !!!#
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:09:00 - [570] Edited by: ArcticFox on 29/03/2007 23:12:27 Originally by: Dahin Originally by: Troubadour Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:55:16 It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends. Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition. Also, at about 3 bil to buy and fit a dread, losing 25 of them is 75bil, as much as the cost of a titan. You have a very high opinion on the bob+friends, especially when they're into their biggest fight after 3+ months of fighting constantly. As for the coalition, I don't know much about the rest, but looking at the corpwallet, my 50-man corporation can replace solo by purchasing dreads off the insane market prices in the amount of: 2.5b a dread 300m t2 fittings 450m insurance -------------- 3.750m in total - 1.75 insurance -------------- 2bil each Right about now, cashflow says we can replace TOMMOROW about 50 dreads of that type. Alliance-production dreads/fittings pretty much cuts cost down to 25+% (because insurance stays the same) and that amounts to 60+ of those babies. Many people were preparing for this war, and at least we were isk-prepared. And as for the picture in the grand scale, we prolly lost 1 or two dreads tonight (because we fielded like 3). Now compare this to the rest of the people in all those alliances all people call "carebears" (and they are mostly right) and you will understand what 20-30 dreads means down for em. On average, each corporation lost like 1 dread... Now consider my corp uber-rich, and say the rest are like 50% as rich as we are. That means they can replace tommorow 30 dreads each and they lost on average 1. Sure, that is a reserve and such losses cannot be sustained on a daily basis, but neither can bob put a titan in production every single day. Now I will not even start to speculate what RA and rest can replace... (sweet jesus lay off my plex will ya? :P) And you tink BoB corps don't have equally impressive cash flows? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying destroying a Titan would be meaningless just because BoB has money, far from it. But you can't go claiming a ship worth multiple tens of billions destroyed while in production for a rich alliance is a huge blow, and then say losing 50 capital ships (which you yourself have priced at 2 bil a pop after insurance) for a total of 100 bil doesn't matter. That's one whopping double-standard. I think it's fair to say that quite probably everyone lost a ****ton of isk in this fight and touting your coalition's corp wallet to prove victory in a war against an alliance famed as one of the richest in the game is pretty meaningless. The coalition probably knew what was going to happen and planned for it, so did BoB. You guys did what you came to do, so did BoB. Would BoB be better off without losing a titan in production? Yes, of course. Would the coalition be better off with 100 bil worth of cap ships not blown up (even if they were intentionally sacrificed)? Honestly, is that even a question that I need to answer? -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it.



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