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Exortius Amarrus
The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:10:00 -
[571]
if if if if if if
What happened happened.
Every question in this thread can be answered with one of the following:
1) Proof or STFU 2) You don't know
I'm $#*&!#$% ****ed I had to work today.
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Rawstyle
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:11:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Rawstyle heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?
negative.
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
Thnx for confirmation, teamspeak seemed to suggest otherwise but it may indeed prove that you are correct.
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Fuujin
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:11:00 -
[573]
Whos going to prove it? CCP?
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:12:00 -
[574]
Edited by: Zhaine on 29/03/2007 23:10:31
Originally by: RaBbLe66
Quote: Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down.
A titan 7 days from being launched is not a cap ship???
shake your head boy !!!#
And my last post in this thread tonight:
Proof or stfu :D
Who's going to prove it Mr MM dude? Well surely you had a spy that saw the prod and industries sceen? Right? Cos if not. . . - - - - - - - - - -
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:12:00 -
[575]
LLAMA's only confirmed loss was to combined friendly fire from -A-, RA, TCF, and IAC.
GJ setting standings! -------------------------------------
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RaBbLe66
Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:12:00 -
[576]
Titan died....
admit it or deny it..
C'mon BoB you are normally so vocal,
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CardboardSword42
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[577]
Originally by: ArcticFox
Originally by: Dahin
Originally by: Troubadour Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:55:16
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
Also, at about 3 bil to buy and fit a dread, losing 25 of them is 75bil, as much as the cost of a titan.
You have a very high opinion on the bob+friends, especially when they're into their biggest fight after 3+ months of fighting constantly.
As for the coalition, I don't know much about the rest, but looking at the corpwallet, my 50-man corporation can replace solo by purchasing dreads off the insane market prices in the amount of: 2.5b a dread 300m t2 fittings 450m insurance -------------- 3.750m in total - 1.75 insurance -------------- 2bil each
Right about now, cashflow says we can replace TOMMOROW about 50 dreads of that type. Alliance-production dreads/fittings pretty much cuts cost down to 25+% (because insurance stays the same) and that amounts to 60+ of those babies.
Many people were preparing for this war, and at least we were isk-prepared.
And as for the picture in the grand scale, we prolly lost 1 or two dreads tonight (because we fielded like 3). Now compare this to the rest of the people in all those alliances all people call "carebears" (and they are mostly right) and you will understand what 20-30 dreads means down for em. On average, each corporation lost like 1 dread...
Now consider my corp uber-rich, and say the rest are like 50% as rich as we are. That means they can replace tommorow 30 dreads each and they lost on average 1.
Sure, that is a reserve and such losses cannot be sustained on a daily basis, but neither can bob put a titan in production every single day.
Now I will not even start to speculate what RA and rest can replace... (sweet jesus lay off my plex will ya? :P)
And you tink BoB corps don't have equally impressive cash flows? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying destroying a Titan would be meaningless just because BoB has money, far from it.
But you can't go claiming a ship worth multiple tens of billions destroyed while in production for a rich alliance is a huge blow, and then say losing 50 capital ships (which you yourself have priced at 2 bil a pop after insurance) for a total of 100 bil doesn't matter. That's one whopping double-standard.
I think it's fair to say that quite probably everyone lost a ****ton of isk in this fight and touting your coalition's corp wallet to prove victory in a war against an alliance famed as one of the richest in the game is pretty meaningless.
The thing with super capitals for large alliance such as this isn't the isk involved though, it's the time. It takes a month to build a titan or a mom, and they are almost impossible to kill once they are produced. Killing one of these ships before they launch is worth more than the sheer isk value that it cost bob.
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[578]
Originally by: RaBbLe66 Titan died....
admit it or deny it..
C'mon BoB you are normally so vocal,
...and you've been where for the last 3 months?
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Winter Nuclear
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[579]
You say no BoB capital ships went down, but how about allied capships? Any losses there? ---
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Shaa'dai
Gallente Daiony Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[580]
BoBs perspective
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0703/f-t_battle.jpg
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[581]
I think the answer is in the lack of a Sir Molle chest beating post
He replied to this thread with his balls statement, but now he is strangely quiet.
Maybe his balls got waxed
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:14:00 -
[582]
Originally by: Wrayeth I was at the pos in my dread for pretty much the entire fight, and I had the lock bug the entire time. I'd begin locking something, it would finish and say "locked", then cycle back as if I'd only just started locking it. I never fired a single shot the entire time.
Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them.
I was there for the POS battle... (Not on this char... but my capital pilot char) and we only deployed the fighters after the 1st dreads jumped in at the pos..... What were supposed to do... No fighters from the carriers lol... I could only target about 7 or 8 during the whole fight so everyone had lag....
Good Fight though guys
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:14:00 -
[583]
Originally by: Rawstyle
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Rawstyle heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?
negative.
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
Thnx for confirmation, teamspeak seemed to suggest otherwise but it may indeed prove that you are correct.
when you are proved wrong it will just make your alliance seem stupid, i can imagine it now, someone screaming bob ms down on ts for the sake of it. All i want to know is whether there was or wasnt a titan being built, and tbh its looking more and more like a MS from here. But sounds like some people had fun so it cant have been that bad, at least not for all .
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Vegas
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:16:00 -
[584]
Originally by: scabbsssjr
1V1 any of those alliances would be conquered by BOB. 10v1 They take almost a month to reach into delve and hit a pos, but at the cost of what?
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
Bob and Allied? is this right? so its not 10v1 against Bob?
Bob have allies too?
Originally by: scabbsssjr but at the cost of what?
At the cost of a Titan
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:16:00 -
[585]
Quote: [00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans [00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough. |
Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:16:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Fubear Edited by: Fubear on 29/03/2007 22:55:18
Originally by: Nez Perces The real question is, what was BoB's objective? To defend the capital ship yard, or inflict as much damage as possible?
I beleive Seleene posted in this thread that they were going to kill EVERY Coalition dread at the POS. Unless the Coalition only had 30 Dreads it sounds like they failed.
The numbers I have been given are 30 Dreads + 10 Carriers lost. EDIT: Seleenes Cap pilot count is at 45, so adjust my figures accordingly.
Assuming after insurance each ship is a loss of 500Mil, and has a generous 500Mil fitting, that is 40Bil in losses that can be immediately replaced from stockpiles and easily rebuilt over a short timespan.
RKK lost around 50Bil in uninsurable materials as well as a POS+Construction Yard. The loss is not replacable or insurable, it will take another 50Bil and months of logistics to RKK to get back to where tehy were today in regards to the construction.
A Titan on the battlefield can make a huge differance - can someone in BoB tell us what the average ISK destroyed figure for their Titans is over the last 8 weeks? The coalition have basically prevented another multiplication of whatever that figure is in losses over the course of time.
This fight is not about raw ISK values, it is about preventing BoB from gaining another MASSIVE long term battlefield advantage regardless of the cost to do so.
Didn't this argument die with ASCN? Seriously, losing ships is ALWAYS bad. Period. Especially capital ships. Losing POS's (and what's being built) is bad, too, not denying that.
Furthermore, nobody--and I mean nobody--can afford to suicide 50 capitals a week if BoB starts putting up a dozen decoy shipyards a month. And at this point, I see no reason why they wouldn't. 5b, tops, in POS + fittings + capyards, in return for 200m * 50 = 10b in recovered fittings alone? Seems like a hell of a good deal to me.
Originally by: xh'duality
Originally by: Buxaroo update: someone linked me a picture: Cap Ship display if there ever was one
Damn.....thats a lot of cap ships.
Just to prove BOB did cause most of the lag purposly trying to safe theyre pos. But they cant break the will of a raging collition. Once again we see bob are using dirty tricks to save em sleft. Well this time they failed. Yes they might have killed alot of us cause we couldnt do anythign at all but we had the ballz to go in with what ever we had nomother what the outcome is going to be. about 800+ pilots who where not able to join the main fleet due lagg problem with in 8 jumps radious. GG
Ah, yes. Allow me to write out the mathematical proof you propose: 1. There is--mysteriously and incriminatingly!--lag when you put 2,000 people within a 2-jump radius of a single system. 2. ... 3. BoBdevsploithax!
I resign myself to being humbled before your superior reasoning.
--P
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:17:00 -
[587]
Originally by: Ifni
Quote: [00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans [00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
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OMG. I'M TOTALLY FAMOUS. ----
All you do is bark. You never meow. |
Rawstyle
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:17:00 -
[588]
Edited by: Rawstyle on 29/03/2007 23:16:18 Edited by: Rawstyle on 29/03/2007 23:15:27
Originally by: Eamz
Originally by: Rawstyle
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Rawstyle heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?
negative.
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
Thnx for confirmation, teamspeak seemed to suggest otherwise but it may indeed prove that you are correct.
when you are proved wrong it will just make your alliance seem stupid, i can imagine it now, someone screaming bob ms down on ts for the sake of it. All i want to know is whether there was or wasnt a titan being built, and tbh its looking more and more like a MS from here. But sounds like some people had fun so it cant have been that bad, at least not for all .
i fail to see how this makes any1 look silly, i asked for something, he gave it to me.....simple, the comment about teamspeak simply comes by way of expanation for my original question. The only 'stupid' person here appears to be your good self
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Thargat
Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:18:00 -
[589]
Stop with the But and If's. It doesn't change the facts.
The servers are as they are. It's part of the game (currently) and b****ng about it won't change a thing. CCP knows about the problem and will do "something" about it. As far as I care it's not about lag or node-crashes. It's about who's winning (if I DID care, wich I don't).
Kudos to the coalition AND to BoB and allies for filling EvE with LOT's of great content and enjoyable events (cus that is what a GAME should be about).
If you don't like what I say, just ignore it, or admit I got to you. |
Elle Fatalle
Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:18:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Ifni
Quote: [00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans [00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:18:00 -
[591]
Originally by: Winter Nuclear You say no BoB capital ships went down, but how about allied capships? Any losses there?
None as far as I'm aware. -----
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:20:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar I think the answer is in the lack of a Sir Molle chest beating post
He replied to this thread with his balls statement, but now he is strangely quiet.
Maybe his balls got waxed
Ummm maybe were too busy cleaning up the wreaks and getting people home to do a report atm... The killboard is lagged to hell.... So give it a bit and i'm sure we will have a mail about it... Going to be really funny if it turns out to be a mothership being produced if anything at all
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prsr
Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:20:00 -
[593]
Originally by: Vegas
At the cost of a Titan
There was no titan destroyed. -- .sig apathy ftw |
Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:20:00 -
[594]
Originally by: Elle Fatalle
Originally by: Ifni
Quote: [00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans [00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
It's black and white sir.
Reikoku was building a titan, because it's inconceivable they weren't! HOW COULD THEY NOT?
How does Reikoku NOT build a titan?
Reikoku was building a Titan. Otherwise the sun would not come up in the mornings! ----
All you do is bark. You never meow. |
Lady Spanky
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:21:00 -
[595]
Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:21:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Elle Fatalle
Originally by: Ifni
Quote: [00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans [00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
Your reasoning is not flawed. However you're missing one crucial part of the equation; sarcasm.
You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough. |
Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:22:00 -
[597]
Originally by: Wrayeth Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them.
You're right, of course, they just did that to generate lag. I keep all the drones in my carrier in the drone bay at ALL times, regardless of the circumstances, even if I know I'm going into a fight against a hundred enemy dreadnoughts. It's only fair--maybe I can smartbomb the dreads to death!
--P
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:22:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Elle Fatalle
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
Off topic but..copper is not magnetic..only ferous metals are, good luck with your exams
Nice BOB spin alt messing up again
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: RaBbLe66 Titan died....
admit it or deny it..
C'mon BoB you are normally so vocal,
Maybe because they are all collecting all the loot those coalition caps dropped as well as cleaning up whatever strays are around....the guys posting in the thread are probably the ones that got popped.....you expect a response from them this quick when the battle isn't done yet? Buy a clue.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:24:00 -
[600]
Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Vegas
At the cost of a Titan
There was no titan destroyed.
Isn't that what you guys said when your Titan POS popped too? --------
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