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JForce
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 04:01:00 -
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It's quite odd. I read on another forum that the RKK industrial alt-corp's capital POS' were put into reinforced by the coalition, and that they're due to come out today sometime (Thursday).
I can't see a thread on it in here. Which means one of four things:
- The thread happened, and no one cares so it's over the page
- The thread happened, it turned to **** so it got locked and it's over the page
- It didn't actually happen and I'm starting to see things that aren't there whilst foruming at work
- It did happen but no one cares enough to post in COAD
Any of these would be funny/sad/tragic/shocking, and to be honest I have no idea which it is.
However speculation on tactics and winners/losers etc is interesting enough to me to want to discuss it, should it be true.
Let's avoid accusations of intentional node-crashing, of Dev involvement (although maybe prop the node up a little ) and general flaming.
What would YOU do if you were the defending force? The attacking force? Multiple titans, the possibility of another in the oven in the POS, DDs all over the place, a total Tranq meltdown.....
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 04:09:00 -
[2]
Everybody who is involved, or who should be involved, has had there alliance mail spammed about it.
What would I do if I were attacking? I can't say until after it is done.
What would I do If I was defending? Pray.
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HoKu Ziare
Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2007.03.29 04:11:00 -
[3]
2nd in a BOB...yawn
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 04:22:00 -
[4]
If you'd remained in triple A, you would know about it 
I'd like to know how some allainces can post things like "well the node was reinforced" ..how the fkin hell do they know these things.
Let's just play the game on a level field thanks...inside info like that is not needed 
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Taz Devlin
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 04:22:00 -
[5]
Strip poker with Svettlana & Omeega(I'm optimistic) 
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 04:28:00 -
[6]
 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
If you'd remained in triple A, you would know about it
I'd like to know how some allainces can post things like "well the node was reinforced" ..how the fkin hell do they know these things.
Let's just play the game on a level field thanks...inside info like that is not needed
Those who asked for node reinforcement are likely the ones in the know (Node reinforcement has been requested).
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JForce
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 04:29:00 -
[7]
Whilst I'd agree that I don't need to know, doesn't mean I don't want to know. Any time a fight of this scale takes place, I think it's possible it will have a large impact on the war, which like it or not is a talking point.
I wish the coalition well, and find it fascinating the number of different options there are for attacking and defending.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 04:38:00 -
[8]
*snip* Play nice. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.29 05:01:00 -
[9]
There will either be a massive battle today, or a non-event. I'm sure both sides are planning for the massive battle, and depending on the strategic situation, the scout reports, and how sure certain people are about certain intelligence the attacking fleet will choose whether to go ahead or call off the attack at the last moment.
I'm sure that if anything interesting happens we'll hear about it quickly.
May god have mercy on the node.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |
iudex
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 05:03:00 -
[10]
I was wondering why this thread came so late, i mean everyone and his dog knew this for at least 1-2 days, and usually you read stuff in this forum even before anyone knows anything 
L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 05:11:00 -
[11]
Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 29/03/2007 05:09:35
Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 29/03/2007 05:08:10 snippity snip snip snip
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Aaron Static
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.03.29 05:26:00 -
[12]
You didnt miss much.. BoB came, we had tea and crumpets.
You are talking about the Annual Coalition tea party, right??
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 05:32:00 -
[13]
Rumor has it the biggest battle in EvE's history will take place tonight around 20:41 EvE time in F-TE..
Rumor also has it that Reikoku are building a Leviathan titan in that POS and that BoB is panicking over the attack.
If anyone wants to interview me I'll be there in a brand new Revelation purchased solely for this battle, win or lose, it'll definitely be epic 
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.03.29 05:39:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Rumor has it the biggest battle in EvE's history will take place tonight around 20:41 EvE time in F-TE..
Rumor also has it that Reikoku are building a Leviathan titan in that POS and that BoB is panicking over the attack.
If anyone wants to interview me I'll be there in a brand new Revelation purchased solely for this battle, win or lose, it'll definitely be epic
gl, lets see who will take bet cash :D
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 05:41:00 -
[15]
Jforce come back to our corpbed and focus on the huggin and dont worrie about what happens in eve :P
Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests
Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes |
iudex
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 05:43:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Rumor has it the biggest battle in EvE's history will take place tonight around 20:41 EvE time in F-TE..
Rumor also has it that Reikoku are building a Leviathan titan in that POS and that BoB is panicking over the attack.
If anyone wants to interview me I'll be there in a brand new Revelation purchased solely for this battle, win or lose, it'll definitely be epic
A leviathan you say ? Hmm strange, i thought a Leviathan BPO was not purchased on the market yet ?
L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:01:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Fuujin on 29/03/2007 05:59:19
Originally by: Audri Fisher
What would I do If I was defending? Pray.
Or just crash the server
See you boys there 
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:05:00 -
[18]
Stage 34665.
Defend your castle.
*drums sound*
*archer + mage spam*
instant convert!
WINNN!!!!
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/castle.html
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:08:00 -
[19]
Originally by: iudex
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Rumor has it the biggest battle in EvE's history will take place tonight around 20:41 EvE time in F-TE..
Rumor also has it that Reikoku are building a Leviathan titan in that POS and that BoB is panicking over the attack.
If anyone wants to interview me I'll be there in a brand new Revelation purchased solely for this battle, win or lose, it'll definitely be epic
A leviathan you say ? Hmm strange, i thought a Leviathan BPO was not purchased on the market yet ?
One was bought near the end of February.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |
arjun
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:16:00 -
[20]
why produce hot air, before anything happened really? its the same situation like with the mc shipyards.
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Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:41:00 -
[21]
Originally by: HoKu Ziare
2nd in a BOB...yawn
^^It's reasons like this (and probably Shamis's post) why people don't post anything of substance here.
People click "reply - with retarded comment" instead of trying to add content.
Me? I think it will be a hell of a fight. I don't think many people get told what is in a capship yard so theres either decent spies or lots of rumours about.
Lots of stuff should explode, hopefully the node is not amongst the casualties.
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Skrypt
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 07:10:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Rumor has it the biggest battle in EvE's history will take place tonight....
I've heard that before and we all know how epic that turned out to be. 
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"I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men."
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thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.03.29 07:27:00 -
[23]
Originally by: JForce
- It did happen but no one cares enough to post in COAD
think i'll opt for this option..
putting a POS into reenforced isnt a hugh news story.. unless you think the coalition can no long muster the numbers to finish it, without some sort of "moral blog" on EO?
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xMenta (DSMA)
xBOS (CA)
xATUK (.5.)
xDICE (BOB) |
Reef Reefov
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 07:36:00 -
[24]
JForce
Are BL going to pew pew
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 07:52:00 -
[25]
nothnig to see here, move along.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Ander
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 08:13:00 -
[26]
Expect to see a coverage of the battle on Eve-pirate no matter who wins.
It's gonna be fun.
EVE Online - Pirates |
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 08:31:00 -
[27]
Its gonna be a showstopper alright.
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SirMolle
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.29 08:37:00 -
[28]
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.29 08:55:00 -
[29]
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
I hope for the node's sake that you're exaggerating at least a bit Molle.
Either way I'm expecting choppy fraps from both sides.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 08:56:00 -
[30]
Speaking for the other side..
He isn't.
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killerco
Gallente
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 08:58:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Raivi
I hope for the node's sake that you're exaggerating at least a bit Molle.
He's not :)
Good luck too all tonight(/me hopes/prays he'll be there in time :( )
Don't be a great man just be a man |
Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:00:00 -
[32]
if it loads, it'll look cool.
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Am Orbitin' ur ship! Gettin' nossed! |
Basilii
Minmatar
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:09:00 -
[33]
GL to all involved ,, have fun lets meet today night and the strongest servive yarrr .
hope node will be alive .
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Teeta Sabes
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:14:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Teeta Sabes on 29/03/2007 09:11:42
the thing is.... the coalition sees now that their member who are posting in this forum only embrass their alliance with stupid comments. therefore D2 and goons have a forum-ban from their leadership..
bob is anyway tired of the forums and dont post.
see, coalition again only copying tactics from bob unable to go out of their shape of thinking and do something new.
thats the reason why you dont see any comments about the rkk shipyard.
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Spenz
Gallente
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:15:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Spenz on 29/03/2007 09:12:24
is this capital yard in a system named 3n-d0r?
Originally by: Teeta Sabes
Edited by: Teeta Sabes on 29/03/2007 09:11:42
the thing is.... the coalition sees now that their member who are posting in this forum only embrass their alliance with stupid comments. therefore D2 and goons have a forum-ban from their leadership..
bob is anyway tired of the forums and dont post.
see, coalition again only copying tactics from bob unable to go out of their shape of thinking and do something new.
thats the reason why you dont see any comments about the rkk shipyard.
who are you again?
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LeviUK
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:17:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Teeta Sabes
Edited by: Teeta Sabes on 29/03/2007 09:11:42
the thing is.... the coalition sees now that their member who are posting in this forum only embrass their alliance with stupid comments. therefore D2 and goons have a forum-ban from their leadership..
bob is anyway tired of the forums and dont post.
see, coalition again only copying tactics from bob unable to go out of their shape of thinking and do something new.
thats the reason why you dont see any comments about the rkk shipyard.
Yes because BoB are the first alliance to impose any kind of forum ban.
Ironic that FA used to get mocked for the same thing.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:22:00 -
[37]
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
That in total, or what you are expecting from our side?
Just wondering is all. Since the above is enough to crash the Jita Node; let alone any pokey 0.0 one (even reinforced). Add the BoB/MC/LV/FIX/XELAS fleet(s) to those numbers and we might as well not bother; there's no chance the node will live through it.
Expects lots of petitions for loss through lag; and if CCP's logs "show nothing" then I'll be very surprised/angry.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:22:00 -
[38]
ok molle expects a load of shipies. i dont expect the stated amouts of capitals but still one important thing is and will always be :
FRAPS !!!!!
dare u not to frapszor this !!!
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:26:00 -
[39]
March 29, a good day for mass genocide. Menestrels will sing tales about the tonights fight or the node will just crash and we'll go home wondering about how it would've been .
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:27:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Teeta Sabes
Edited by: Teeta Sabes on 29/03/2007 09:11:42
the thing is.... the coalition sees now that their member who are posting in this forum only embrass their alliance with stupid comments. therefore D2 and goons have a forum-ban from their leadership..
bob is anyway tired of the forums and dont post.
see, coalition again only copying tactics from bob unable to go out of their shape of thinking and do something new.
thats the reason why you dont see any comments about the rkk shipyard.
Umm, D2, the Northerners, AAA, Ka-Tet and IAC are still posting in this forum as usual, the Goons have had a forum ban here since before this war began, and RA and TCF don't post here much because they prefer forums in their native languages.
Both sides weren't interested in starting a build up thread for a battle that was still days away on EvE-O. That combined with a pleasently surprising lack of crossposting from lurkers on certain 3rd party forums meant that the creation of this thread was delayed.
This thread will probably turn into a flamewar soon enough, but there's no avoiding that.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |
Juliette Red
Jags Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:29:00 -
[41]
I expect the Coalition of retards to do everything they can to crash the node and try and re-enact the JV1V scenario.
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:33:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Raivi on 29/03/2007 09:31:41
Originally by: Raivi
This thread will probably turn into a flamewar soon enough, but there's no avoiding that.
Originally by: Juliette Red
I expect the Coalition of retards to do everything they can to crash the node and try and re-enact the JV1V scenario.
.... *sigh*
When you figure out a way to get that many ships from both sides into a system without it crashing, let us all know. This will become a fight of crashes where the winning side will be the one that takes best advantage of the log-ins, but that won't be the fault of any one side.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |
Qurex
Quam Singulari
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:36:00 -
[43]
Good luck guys, sitting at the black screen of death.
Anything else then that would be a miracle.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:41:00 -
[44]
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
I'll be cynical and expect:
- another big anti climax.
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Mortecai
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:43:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Juliette Red
I expect the Coalition of retards to do everything they can to crash the node and try and re-enact the JV1V scenario.
<Sigh>
Flamebait FTL.
What do you think Coalition should do then? "Oh bobbits are bringing XXX ships into system, if we go there we are sure to crash it.. let's just leave them alone?".
Sorry but it is inevitable. Node will crash many many times, server admins are going to be rebooting the node the entire night and sadly I do think that the most epic battle in eve will be decided by pure "luck" on the login que.
But this is what alliance warfare has become these days, sad but true.
Those about to lag, we salute you.
o\
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:49:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Teeta Sabes
Edited by: Teeta Sabes on 29/03/2007 09:11:42
the thing is.... the coalition sees now that their member who are posting in this forum only embrass their alliance with stupid comments. therefore D2 and goons have a forum-ban from their leadership..
bob is anyway tired of the forums and dont post.
see, coalition again only copying tactics from bob unable to go out of their shape of thinking and do something new.
thats the reason why you dont see any comments about the rkk shipyard.
and bobbits post with their alts in constructive influence and other alt corps now hence you are not tired at all because you still go yap-yap on these forums.
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:51:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Juliette Red
I expect the Coalition of retards to do everything they can to crash the node and try and re-enact the JV1V scenario.
What a great disservice you are to your side. Let's just hope nobody from the coalition rises to the bait.
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BuIIseye
Amarr
ROMELITE
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:51:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Everybody who is involved, or who should be involved, has had there alliance mail spammed about it.
What would I do if I were attacking? I can't say until after it is done.
What would I do If I was defending? Pray.
Yup, BoB is praying
And yes, this thread needs abit more me (aka BoB fanboy, bobbit, ccp random created forum posting character, forum alt troll/warrior extraorinare) 
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 09:52:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Teeta Sabes
Edited by: Teeta Sabes on 29/03/2007 09:11:42
the thing is.... the coalition sees now that their member who are posting in this forum only embrass their alliance with stupid comments. therefore D2 and goons have a forum-ban from their leadership..
bob is anyway tired of the forums and dont post.
see, coalition again only copying tactics from bob unable to go out of their shape of thinking and do something new.
thats the reason why you dont see any comments about the rkk shipyard.
I'm probably not the first to admit this. But BoB do have the best tactics in-game. Otherwise they wouldn't be where they are.
So... If your smart you adapt and copy. That way both teams get the most chance of winning... Thinking and do something new? hehe
Pwnage PvP Recruitment
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joshua cane
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:01:00 -
[50]
this night will be hot
yarrrrrr
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Kcel Chim
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:07:00 -
[51]
if the node, even with bearable lag mind you, will hold it will be epic. Otherwise it will be an epic dissappointment.
However i personally hope that all sides try to play fair and we dont see waves of t1 or noobships try to crash the node to give the jumping in party an advantage. Cause noone can tell me that x hundred noobships / t1 frigs would make a difference in such a fight apart from lag. So keep it clean, bring your toys and rumble it out gents.
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Laythun
Black Lance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:10:00 -
[52]
We knew, we Know
JForce, just ask me next time
Black Lance Brother
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:12:00 -
[53]
A big fight? Who knows. My advice to the coaltion (and it is free advice, nonetheless good one) is that they should bring enough ships to pose a big threat but then all remaining other ships should go and kill enemy towers in other important systems.
BoB will be too busy defending the shipyard and cannot react if their towers get attacked elsewhere. (If they react and move parts of their fleet then the coalition will shred the shipyard without problems). That way a big strategic advantage can be gained.
So even if the node crashes and crashes and in the end the shipyard would magically survive, all the other towers in the other systems would be lost and so it would be a victory for the coalition.
Bind the enemy forces in one spot so that they cannot act, then strike at all the other important parts while the enemy is unable to move!
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:13:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Raivi
There will either be a massive battle today, or a non-event. I'm sure both sides are planning for the massive battle, and depending on the strategic situation, the scout reports, and how sure certain people are about certain intelligence the attacking fleet will choose whether to go ahead or call off the attack at the last moment.
May god have mercy on the node.
I hope that if this turns into a non-event CCP will sit down and take a long hard look at what happened and why. People are talking about this as if it is going to be an epic fight, and if it turns out to be a waste of time for 90% of the people there, then there is a good chance that something is wrong with the core gameplay mecahnics.
For example, did the presence of multiple Titans on each side prevent major engagements from happening altogether? I can see the siege turning into a straight Capital vs Capital fight because neither side were able to commit any support for fear of Doomsday, and is this really how CCP want siege warfare to be going forwards?
I am not even going to mention node issues, as long as Siege warfare is about the number of people you can stuff into a grid at the same time, there are always going to be node issues - and there is no way around that.
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:18:00 -
[55]
It's party time
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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Asylum Seaker
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:19:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Gnulpie
A big fight? Who knows. My advice to the coaltion (and it is free advice, nonetheless good one) is that they should bring enough ships to pose a big threat but then all remaining other ships should go and kill enemy towers in other important systems.
BoB will be too busy defending the shipyard and cannot react if their towers get attacked elsewhere. (If they react and move parts of their fleet then the coalition will shred the shipyard without problems). That way a big strategic advantage can be gained.
So even if the node crashes and crashes and in the end the shipyard would magically survive, all the other towers in the other systems would be lost and so it would be a victory for the coalition.
Bind the enemy forces in one spot so that they cannot act, then strike at all the other important parts while the enemy is unable to move!
Thats probably the most likley eventuality. Multiple fleets roaming multiple regions destroying indiscriminatly. Unless of course the defendes break up and send response fleets to counter the attackers without actually disbanding all of the shipyard defence fleet..
Memento Mori.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:23:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Lyer
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
If the node stays up, it will be a miracle
Fixed it :)
Have fun.
LOL!
So true
--23 Member--
EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard |
mama guru
Gallente
Friendship 7 Corporation
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:25:00 -
[58]
The node WILL CRASH! End of story gentlemen, stop being so optimistic.
-YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE-
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Bloedkopp
Minmatar
Simian Cell Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:27:00 -
[59]
It smells like BOB fanbois allover here
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Sith8
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:28:00 -
[60]
GL To Us.
HF To All.
God Bless The Node.
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Omee Ate my Sig 
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Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:30:00 -
[61]
This one is going to melt the Node, infact I was speaking to Ouver today and he told me he expected to node to get so hot that it actually melts all the Ice in Iceland and raises Sea Levels by 12.84%.
Therefore EVE Online = Global Warming! Pilots I salute you o7
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Mael Duakal
Gallente
Minds Of Space
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:31:00 -
[62]
Good luck to both sides (little bit more luck to the coalition though). May the node be with you...
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Metacannibal
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:31:00 -
[63]
there are just two choices really, and all will be decided within 10 minutes.
the anti bob coalition will either have their stalingrad disaster or have a d-day success.
it'll be fast and dirty, poor servers, fun to all involved.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:31:00 -
[64]
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 29/03/2007 10:28:24
Bleah...judging by the state of the servers during the JV1V mess the participants in this battle would be far better served to count the forces on each side once formed and take the entire battle to hex-based tabletop and duke it out there. I think a modified version of the Avalon Hill masterpiece "Flattop" would work best as it allows for hidden movement, carriers spamming fighters (literally), and all the ship types are represented .
Then the only claims that can be made regarding "foul play" would be the shaved dice, secret rolling techniques, and endless arguements over the hit tables 
Yuck...better you all than me. I already got the black screen t-shirt.....good luck to all.
"Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...."
-General George Patton USA
UKC |
Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:33:00 -
[65]
The Node is GONNA DIE
Gl and Gf to all this evening!
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:41:00 -
[66]
nobody will show up because everyone expects the node to die
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Dearwin
The Kennels
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:42:00 -
[67]
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 29/03/2007 10:28:24
Bleah...judging by the state of the servers during the JV1V mess the participants in this battle would be far better served to count the forces on each side once formed and take the entire battle to hex-based tabletop and duke it out there. I think a modified version of the Avalon Hill masterpiece "Flattop" would work best as it allows for hidden movement, carriers spamming fighters (literally), and all the ship types are represented .
Then the only claims that can be made regarding "foul play" would be the shaved dice, secret rolling techniques, and endless arguements over the hit tables
Yuck...better you all than me. I already got the black screen t-shirt.....good luck to all.
I second this, however may I suggest a more Blood Thirsty Medium? However for the sake of the EvE player base, this idea is sound.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
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Armag3ddon
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:47:00 -
[68]
well at leats no one can say that the GM's dont know about this so they have ample time to boost the nodes power befor it all kicks off.
god I wish we were there and not stuck in the new regions
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:49:00 -
[69]
A titan firing a good DD shot tonight will instantly crash and lose his ship due to killmail overflow and heavy lag.
/omee
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Zerg Defiler
Zerg Hive
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:53:00 -
[70]
cuz they have GMs, i think, if there will be something not good for BoBs, they turn off nod, its all
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:53:00 -
[71]
I can see Valar & co not getting any sleep tonight. Poor bastards.
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Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:55:00 -
[72]
i know i shouldnt be too excited because the node wont hold, but i cant help it
omgomgomg
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Pod from above. |
Sir MilBanacky
Stronghold corp
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:56:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kaeten
Originally by: Teeta Sabes
Edited by: Teeta Sabes on 29/03/2007 09:11:42
the thing is.... the coalition sees now that their member who are posting in this forum only embrass their alliance with stupid comments. therefore D2 and goons have a forum-ban from their leadership..
bob is anyway tired of the forums and dont post.
see, coalition again only copying tactics from bob unable to go out of their shape of thinking and do something new.
thats the reason why you dont see any comments about the rkk shipyard.
I'm probably not the first to admit this. But BoB do have the best tactics in-game. Otherwise they wouldn't be where they are.
So... If your smart you adapt and copy. That way both teams get the most chance of winning... Thinking and do something new? hehe
It depends on who has a extra instance of their login screen up and ready to go with a jump in.
This is a known game mechanic, No skill needed.
It will be very interesting to see how many forces each side has out of system at the gates ready to jump in as the gate jumpin's get higher priority then the folks already in the system when relogging into a node.
I hope this is all being frapsed because it will be a EPIC battle for all involved.
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killerco
Gallente
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:58:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kasak Black
This one is going to melt the Node, infact I was speaking to Ouver today and he told me he expected to node to get so hot that it actually melts all the Ice in Iceland and raises Sea Levels by 12.84%.
Therefore EVE Online = Global Warming! Pilots I salute you o7
hahaha lol
Don't be a great man just be a man |
wierchas noobhunter
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:05:00 -
[75]
poor poor eve server ....
loots of dead hamster
bad :(
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Meirre K'Tun
Brotherhood of the Shadows
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:08:00 -
[76]
i doubt that anybody will show up, everybody thinks "yay, great, they all go there, so we can fly around and attack other systems"
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Dionisius
Gallente
SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:10:00 -
[77]
-The node will die.
-The lag will fly.
-Ships will go boom.
-Lots of petitions to spell the gm's doom.
_______________________
What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:14:00 -
[78]
BoB wont jump most of their fleet in till most of yours is in so they get priority when logging in after the 3-7 node crashes.
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Local Her0
Minmatar
La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:15:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Kasak Black
This one is going to melt the Node, infact I was speaking to Ouver today and he told me he expected to node to get so hot that it actually melts all the Ice in Iceland and raises Sea Levels by 12.84%.
Therefore EVE Online = Global Warming! Pilots I salute you o7
/emote goes and builds a raft
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:16:00 -
[80]
The node is rigged!
- Gob
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:17:00 -
[81]
Ive go the local bishop down at the server farm tonight to bless it
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Ivo D
Minmatar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:17:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Dionisius
-The node will die.
-The lag will fly.
-Ships will go boom.
-Lots of petitions to spell the gm's doom.
pure talent.
nerf gheyllente. |
slipittoya
Stellar-Parallax Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:21:00 -
[83]
well this should be fun
I have a spare 16 core server ready if they want to prop the node up.
this should just about handle the eve mail system for the battle
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Mattduk
Gallente
Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:23:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Raivi
There will either be a massive battle today, or a non-event. I'm sure both sides are planning for the massive battle, and depending on the strategic situation, the scout reports, and how sure certain people are about certain intelligence the attacking fleet will choose whether to go ahead or call off the attack at the last moment.
I'm sure that if anything interesting happens we'll hear about it quickly.
May god have mercy on the node.
Completely off topic, I know, and for that I apologise. However... Raivi, the text in your signature. I've seen it somewhere before and it's driving me absolutely barmy trying to remember where.
Please put an old man out of his misery. :)
Kind regards
Mattduk
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Helina Malinos
Caldari
Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:25:00 -
[85]
Originally by: OozoO
nobody will show up because everyone is scared to commit any capitals where they may get killed
Fixed
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Teron D'Amun
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:27:00 -
[86]
the only ones who get my good luck wish for tonight and doesn't end up exploding is the node where it will happen so we get to see and read about interesting fights and drama
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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:37:00 -
[87]
sounds like another node crash just waiting to happen... I'll stick to my small gang fights thank you
Good luck though
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Schneiderr
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:44:00 -
[88]
already sent my stuck petition
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Minigin
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:46:00 -
[89]
forget a node crash >_> this sounds like EVE is gonna come down lol.
If i have to put money on it... i think BoB and co. will win... just on experiance and tactics, but id love for myself to be proven wrong.
GL to all and fingers crossed you dont crash the node lol
if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk |
Amandus Theron
The Syndicate Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:02:00 -
[90]
Nodes will crash, EVE as a whole could possibly even crash of a domino effect if sirtrolle is right about his numbers.
in the end the POS will die and coalition will have their objective completed.
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Franga
Caldari
NQX Logistics
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:04:00 -
[91]
Loxyrider! Oh, Loxy!
Can you please be there and fraps the whole thing and then make another awesome vid with the footage?
Please, please, please, please, please? Pretty please!
I mean, the video will just be you rebooting EVE over and over ('connection lost'). But if we can just get one glimpse of the capitals in system I will forever thankyou. Even just something that shows numbers in local. Or maybe just a shot of Flinx. Any of those will do.
/me runs to hug Flinx.
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Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now. |
Rochel Hakiri
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:04:00 -
[92]
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Gents,
Tonight is the Night of Nights. Whatever comes, know that we all do this to get rid of the axes of Evil...
(hmhm reminds me of a certain TV show)
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Schyz
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:19:00 -
[93]
Dear node,
Can I have your stuff?
_____________
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:30:00 -
[94]
Secret Weapon
Quote:
How's that saying go? something about a pot calling a kettle black.... but the kettle getting the last laugh because it was banging the pot's sister? Yeah, that sounds right.
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Raid
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:31:00 -
[95]
Welcome to eve-online node crash edition.
If you seriously think there will be a fight your kidding yourself. There will be many many node crashes and whoevers capital ship fleet can stay logged on will win.
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Weka Dart
Caldari
Band of Sisters
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:40:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Helina Malinos
Originally by: OozoO
nobody will show up because everyone is scared to commit any capitals where they may get killed
Fixed
Congratulations Helina.
You scored 18/20 on the Carson scale of Retardation.
You were docked one point for being a BOB alt.
You were docked another point for being born.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:41:00 -
[97]
It really is a shame people even have to comment on the node, much more so its ability to stay active so paying customers can play the game they have purchased. What kind of game are we playing that the hardware can't support the game? Really, it is a freaking shame.
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:43:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Rochel Hakiri
Gents,
Tonight is the Night of Nights. Whatever comes, know that we all do this to get rid of the axes of Evil...
Axes of evil? Is that, like a DND artifact or something?
LOL sorry couldn't resist. Its spelt 'Axis' and dont worry, bush didn;t know what the hell the word meant when he made that speach.. anyway..
Good luck to all involved, wish I was there.
My sympathies in advance to the Devs and their families..
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |
Azaries
Caldari
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:43:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Raid
Welcome to eve-online node crash edition.
If you seriously think there will be a fight your kidding yourself. There will be many many node crashes and whoevers capital ship fleet can stay logged on will win.
Sounds about right but due you still have to come out and try to make a go at it.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:45:00 -
[100]
could ccp turn off empire for the evening , and I am going to set a 2 days skill just in case
I would say may God have mercy on the node but that has already been said.
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B1G DAVE
Mining and Research Industrial Organisation
Hell Hounds
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:46:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Weka Dart
You were docked another point for being born.
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
It really is a shame people even have to comment on the node, much more so its ability to stay active so paying customers can play the game they have purchased. What kind of game are we playing that the hardware can't support the game? Really, it is a freaking shame.
Its not as simple as CCP hasn't spent enough money on the hardware. Its the fact that you just can't get hardware powerful enough to run this number of people on one node.
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Permayla Diota
Minmatar
Tech 2 Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:50:00 -
[102]
Sounds like a win-win night for anyone who shows up tbh. Either the Coalition pops the shipyard or they dont, that is ancillary to the real fun of a billion red blinkies to stand or die against.
OFC it would be even funnier if BOB didnt show up and instead hit every single Coalition Cap Yard while there off e-peening
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Befounder
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:50:00 -
[103]
pay up the "other" people, or we crush EvE and revert back to the opening of the New Eden Gate! :P
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Emrod
Legion Du Lys
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:51:00 -
[104]
Primary CCP Node!
((4 hour later...))
Secondary Bob...
Its a resume of the futur and i gonna mis all of this because of my damn work  Havefun et take FRAPS!
I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P |
Karina Harington
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:58:00 -
[105]
I want an Axe of Evil, but only if it does thermal or explosive damage!
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:05:00 -
[106]
Autumn wind of eve,
blow away the clouds that mass
over the moon's pure light
and the mists that cloud our mind,
do thou sweep away as well.
Now we disappear,
well, what must we think of it?
From the sky we came.
Now we may go back again.
That's at least one point of view.
Houjou Ujimasa
1538-1590
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:18:00 -
[107]
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:21:00 -
[108]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Sirmolle standing there waving the BoB flag, shouting "WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER!!"
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:24:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Raid
Welcome to eve-online node crash edition.
If you seriously think there will be a fight your kidding yourself. There will be many many node crashes and whoevers capital ship fleet can stay logged on will win.
/me Puts on Tin Foil Hat
So that means BoB will win as they are given Vip status to log onto servers before everyone else. Right?
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SirMolle
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:36:00 -
[110]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:37:00 -
[111]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
Bagsy flying Dian's right testicle!
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Give this a read. |
Hubbins
Species 5618
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:46:00 -
[112]
The poor node.
If this is even half as big as it's predicted, it's going to be a big lag fest.
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:50:00 -
[113]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
And that my friends is why BoB is going to win this war
ps, wished I could get in on the action sooner. But this fight is going to be lag city. Someone should petition for Jita and Rens to be shutdown for the entire duration of the fight.
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Eldar Curunirr
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:52:00 -
[114]
I wonder how many people are going to leave work early to make this.
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Fubarski
Caldari
Centauri Project
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:52:00 -
[115]
Originally by: SirMolle
Our balls.
The least you could do is pony up a Tech2 fleet for this :(
Fubarski
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:54:00 -
[116]
Its gonna be a messy night 
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Eurydyke
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:56:00 -
[117]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
Devs/GMs/ISDs
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Bloedkopp
Minmatar
Simian Cell Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:56:00 -
[118]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
But dont cry when you get them waxed
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DARKLING
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:58:00 -
[119]
GL to all sides {esp my alliance m8's}
IMO this is the test of whether EVE lives or dies
1) Total lag fest and node crashes , either side whimes about lag / crash loss, OR GLOATS OVER KILLS THEY SHOULDN'Y HAVE HAD. {EVE dies}
2) Epic battle writted into EVE lore, limited lag, no crashes superb fight outcome dependant on tactics and leadership {EVE wins , there is hope}
This is more a test of EVE (ccp) than any sofar,time to put all the recent revelations of ccp involvment to bed, time to sOrt out your game.
Your game ccp, your ball {want EVE to live and grow or die}
GL COMBATANTS {wish I wasn't working nightshift} :( maybe if its still on at 6 am ill join in :)
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'You see things; and you say 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?'
George Bernard Shaw
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DeckardIRL
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:00:00 -
[120]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
Should be a little fun to pass the evening by.
Deck
(if the node holds of course)
_____________________________________________
Xelas Fleet Admiral
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:01:00 -
[121]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
Both comments gets a 10/10 rating tbh.
Refreshingly smooth talking boys!
Cheers,
Lowa
What if the truth was something else? |
GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:05:00 -
[122]
*signals the fleet to prepare for immediate massive anti-climax*
AND SUDDENLY ....
... nothing happens.
Let's hope not.
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LTD THOR
Caille Insurance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:07:00 -
[123]
if something known and rly big will happen ccp have to force the server power to focus on that little spot. rest of eve will freeze omg.. =/
gl to all of us! ..and hf to all involved ^^
My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;) |
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:09:00 -
[124]
Please, think of the Hamsters
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nickky01
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:20:00 -
[125]
sad i'm gonna miss it, but good luck and have fun to everyone fighting in there today
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D2O HeavyWater
Amarr
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:21:00 -
[126]
To be honest im not looking forward to to night, I live for pvp in eve but this kind of battle is not who has the biggest guns, biggest balls. Its who managed to log on and keep logged on.
The only sure things to happen tonight are;
Node crashes
Jump queues
login queues
systems not loading
modules not activating
Potentially i could be commited to 10 hours eve tonight and not get to fire a single shot because the game cannot handle large fleet engagements.
I just hope sharkbaits there tonight to do his stress test sh1t and learn something from it so that in the near future these kind of engagements are as enjoyable as the small scale skirmishes where everybody gets a fighting chance.
In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.
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Tercano Nuruva
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:30:00 -
[127]
Whatever happens, I re-iterate the call earlier. FRAPS!
Even if nothing happens and everyone goes home, pics of those sort of fleets..... omg .
Also, GL to all involved and pray the node holds.
Terc
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Mister Driller
Firing Squad
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:35:00 -
[128]
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 1.4 revelations update. As far as I know this is the first major battle since they did that patch and will be a hell of a stress test for the code monkeys behind it. Lets hope they addressed the blob issue a bit.
Back on topic, I'll be there in my dinky little support ship trying to get on a titan kill mail
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Viale
Skull and Bones Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:42:00 -
[129]
... Its that movie 300 all over again.
Bob King: This is where we fight! This is where they die!
Coalition Emissary: This is madness
Node as it crashes: My Queen! My Wife! My Love.
CCP: This will not be over quickly. You will not enjoy this.
Have a good one gents.
They supposedly reinforced the servers today so....
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Lyer
THE BLUE FLAG
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:42:00 -
[130]
NEWs JUST IN......
CCP Hamsters spotted in emergency nutrition intake program to cope with expected extended workload in next 24hrs....
Linkage
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Red Dwarf Mining Corps
5th Column
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:42:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 29/03/2007 14:39:49
Seems the combatants opened their ECG packs and found dozens of this card.
Can some nice Jovians go out and get video coverage? Real video coverage, not just screenshot displaying every 5 minutes.
No matter who wins, the node dies.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:48:00 -
[132]
Originally by: DARKLING
GL to all sides {esp my alliance m8's}
IMO this is the test of whether EVE lives or dies
1) Total lag fest and node crashes , either side whimes about lag / crash loss, OR GLOATS OVER KILLS THEY SHOULDN'Y HAVE HAD. {EVE dies}
2) Epic battle writted into EVE lore, limited lag, no crashes superb fight outcome dependant on tactics and leadership {EVE wins , there is hope}
This is more a test of EVE (ccp) than any sofar,time to put all the recent revelations of ccp involvment to bed, time to sOrt out your game.
Your game ccp, your ball {want EVE to live and grow or die}
GL COMBATANTS {wish I wasn't working nightshift} :( maybe if its still on at 6 am ill join in :)
meh, there is still only going to be a minority of the player base involved, the majority wonÆt really care what happens, I think predicting the life expectancy of Eve based upon what may or may not happen in one battle is pushing it a bit.
There are those of us who gave up on fleet battles a long time ago. A lot of the mechanics are too simplistic - warp a huge number of ships into tiny volume, focus fire on one small target at a time at long range due to no LOS issues e.t.c e.t.c - and yet even then, the hardware/client still can't cope...
The only thing people will care about is if the entire server goes down as a result.
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Video - 'War-Machine' |
Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:51:00 -
[133]
Do not worry, friends. The Coalition has hired a special advisor to forge a plan for just this occasion: Boromir.
After all, you don't just walk into Mor-- err, Delve...
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Angor
Minmatar
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 14:53:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Lyer
NEWs JUST IN......
CCP Hamsters spotted in emergency nutrition intake program to cope with expected extended workload in next 24hrs....
Linkage
hahahaha awe...
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Emrod
Legion Du Lys
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:02:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 29/03/2007 14:39:49
this card win the treadh!
I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P |
sci0gon
Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:04:00 -
[136]
Originally by: D2O HeavyWater
To be honest im not looking forward to to night, I live for pvp in eve but this kind of battle is not who has the biggest guns, biggest balls. Its who managed to log on and keep logged on.
with how that sounds its like your saying "why are we even going to bother?"
i really hope that the node holds and that both sides in this war give it all they've got to achieve their goals. A battle of this magnitude willd definatly be marked in all our hearts and eve history weather you win or lose.
Originally by: Lyer
NEWs JUST IN......
CCP Hamsters spotted in emergency nutrition intake program to cope with expected extended workload in next 24hrs....
Linkage
pretty funny but you forget to mention the several other sets of hamsters they have on standby
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:06:00 -
[137]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
Wonder how the mods find this appropriate yet my comments made in jest were snipped... oh wait never mind I see who posted this.
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arjun
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:09:00 -
[138]
would be cool if all the anti bob forces would have the correct standings set for tonight.
wouldnt be good if friendly fire incidents prevent us from doing the job if there is way to do it at all of course.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:12:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
http://home.comcast.net/~futher/images/blob.jpg
Automatic win.
Thread over.
--23 Member--
EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard |
Cudeiro
Amarr
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:15:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Cudeiro on 29/03/2007 15:13:26
Edited by: Cudeiro on 29/03/2007 15:12:54
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
Molle Montana íDie coalition*****o-roches, DIE!!
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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iiixiii
ToXiC.
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:20:00 -
[141]
Goodluck to everyone! I hope someone will fraps it!
And yea god bless the node!
ToXiC CEO - Too Ducky
ToXiC Co-Ceo - iiixiii
Recruitment Officer - C*ck
iiixiii |
Brisi
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:27:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Brisi on 29/03/2007 15:23:42
Whatever happens, I'll definately be bringing an alt in an Ibis out there. Just to contribute my part to the node crash.
I maybe even get doomsday'd, who knows
Resistance is Fertile. |
Cpt Pugwash
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:31:00 -
[143]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
So that is how you keep control of your pet alliances.
Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
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VonKaplanek III
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:34:00 -
[144]
Well since capitol yards are at stake here, i guess we cant all agree to just have a 100 vs 100 to settle this huh? hehe I wonder if the white flashs will come from titans or from nodes dying?
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:43:00 -
[145]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
Don't worry Molle. . .I'm sure you'll get a reach around.
Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:45:00 -
[146]
even with a node of jita proportions its gonna be horrible... my advice to the devs...
noone will be in these regions branch, tenal, venal, fade, cloud ring, outer ring, deklein, tribute, lonetrek, stain,tenerfis, immensea, paragon soul
get yer nodes from there
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R'adeh
Gallente
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:50:00 -
[147]
Switch off the Jita node for a day, and transfer it to the "d-day system"
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My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. |
Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:59:00 -
[148]
Originally by: VonKaplanek III
Well since capitol yards are at stake here, i guess we cant all agree to just have a 100 vs 100 to settle this huh? hehe I wonder if the white flashs will come from titans or from nodes dying?
I think there should be no talk of this impending battle on the server, cause if the nodes get wind of it they will commit ritual suicide or flee. Only to return has bots for denial of service attacks
LETS SEE YOU NERF THIS ONE Kreul!!!...
...if that is your REAL name o_O
Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw! |
Serapis Aote
Minmatar
TBC
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:10:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Originally by: DARKLING
GL to all sides {esp my alliance m8's}
IMO this is the test of whether EVE lives or dies
1) Total lag fest and node crashes , either side whimes about lag / crash loss, OR GLOATS OVER KILLS THEY SHOULDN'Y HAVE HAD. {EVE dies}
2) Epic battle writted into EVE lore, limited lag, no crashes superb fight outcome dependant on tactics and leadership {EVE wins , there is hope}
This is more a test of EVE (ccp) than any sofar,time to put all the recent revelations of ccp involvment to bed, time to sOrt out your game.
Your game ccp, your ball {want EVE to live and grow or die}
GL COMBATANTS {wish I wasn't working nightshift} :( maybe if its still on at 6 am ill join in :)
meh, there is still only going to be a minority of the player base involved, the majority wonÆt really care what happens, I think predicting the life expectancy of Eve based upon what may or may not happen in one battle is pushing it a bit.
There are those of us who gave up on fleet battles a long time ago. A lot of the mechanics are too simplistic - warp a huge number of ships into tiny volume, focus fire on one small target at a time at long range due to no LOS issues e.t.c e.t.c - and yet even then, the hardware/client still can't cope...
The only thing people will care about is if the entire server goes down as a result.
Actually he is right.
This is the result of the way CCP designed the game. Bigger ships, more firepower...1 TARGET, the POS.
To me this battle will test whether large scale, 0.0 alliance v. alliance combat is doable the way CCP designed it.
If it works good...
If it doesnt work, if the game is unplayable the Kali 2 should be delivered with a complete overhaul of mechanics of keeping and holding space, because other wise their game is broken.
GL to all, Have fun, Remember its a game...
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killerco
Gallente
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:20:00 -
[150]
Originally by: R'adeh
Switch off the Jita node for a day, and transfer it to the "stalingrad system"
fixed it for ya
Don't be a great man just be a man |
Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:28:00 -
[151]
Mhhh I think the worst thing to happen for the node would be to have the battle staged at the stargate, the jumping lag will be horrible. Do you think it would be possible to use a jump portal to make the bs fleet jump into the battle like the dreads ? So that -at least- before the bob fleet show up the fleet will allready be in system thus minimising the node transition ?
Hmmm could dev perhaps give the battletroopers some tips to avoid a nodecrash ?
----
Quote:
Thou shall pew pew.
Book of Revelation 12, 51 |
Reservoir Dog
Free Space Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:30:00 -
[152]
Originally by: killerco
Originally by: R'adeh
Switch off the Jita node for a day, and transfer it to the "stalingrad system"
fixed it for ya
1. Guess who were Stalingrad defenders and who are RA/RAT. What role you reserved to BoB?
2. Stalingrad was totally destroyed. i mean - TOTALLY. So no matter of any efforts your statement means POS will die in any case. TBH i don't see any other variants about that if 100+ dreads jumps in and go to siege mode near it. Only question remains: what will happen to those dreads after POS will be destroyed.
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Kaylana Syi
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:38:00 -
[153]
I just hope if the birth of this titan dies, to whatever means even if its like JV1V, that BoB take it like brothers... not like sisters like LV.
Team Minmatar
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Dopple
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:40:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Dopple on 29/03/2007 16:36:20
Originally by: SirMolle
Our balls.
Here's hoping the node holds.
Cheers one and all.
Hellbilly Goodness |
Angor
Minmatar
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:42:00 -
[155]
Its funny how CCP encourage this kind of play but yet have no chance of supporting large fleet engagments. "We give you the tools, then take away the means to use them to their full potential" :(
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:49:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Angor
Its funny how CCP encourage this kind of play but yet have no chance of supporting large fleet engagments. "We give you the tools, then take away the means to use them to their full potential" :(
Same thing when god created football, he gave man hands, but only allowed the devs aka goalkeepers and Maradona to use em, otherwise something called gamemaster aka "refere" gets very very very angry and blows in a whistle and waves with warnings and bans aka yellow card and red card.
Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests
Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes |
Jags
Minmatar
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:15:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Ace Frehley
Same thing when god created football, he gave man hands, but only allowed the devs aka goalkeepers and Maradona to use em
Dont take the name of the great God Diego in vain you heathen bastard
Oh Deigo Maradona , he put the English OUT OUT OUT
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Jags
Minmatar
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:15:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Ace Frehley
Same thing when god created football, he gave man hands, but only allowed the devs aka goalkeepers and Maradona to use em
Dont take the name of the great God Diego in vain you heathen bastard
Oh Deigo Maradona , he put the English OUT OUT OUT
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:24:00 -
[159]
I expect to see lots of prior fights trying to intercept the support fleets before they reach teh final Node. Would be the best chance for defenders breaking out the attack
anyway it will be a mess...
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:24:00 -
[160]
I expect to see lots of prior fights trying to intercept the support fleets before they reach teh final Node. Would be the best chance for defenders breaking out the attack
anyway it will be a mess...
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Alex Under
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:26:00 -
[161]
With the recent patch update, if you have tons of ships jumping into an already lagged out system with bubbles on the other side, would your ships emergency warp like they used too until your overview refreshed or would your ships find themselves stuck in the bubble.
If so, I can see a lot of petitions being filed for loss of ships due to lag.
"...Amateurs do it until they get it right, Professionals do it until they can't get it wrong..." |
Alex Under
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:26:00 -
[162]
With the recent patch update, if you have tons of ships jumping into an already lagged out system with bubbles on the other side, would your ships emergency warp like they used too until your overview refreshed or would your ships find themselves stuck in the bubble.
If so, I can see a lot of petitions being filed for loss of ships due to lag.
"...Amateurs do it until they get it right, Professionals do it until they can't get it wrong..." |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:42:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Alex Under
With the recent patch update, if you have tons of ships jumping into an already lagged out system with bubbles on the other side, would your ships emergency warp like they used too until your overview refreshed or would your ships find themselves stuck in the bubble.
If so, I can see a lot of petitions being filed for loss of ships due to lag.
Ships will just sit there till they disappear. No emergency warp out of bubbles now. No big deal, if we never load it probably means the node went down.
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CRUSH3R
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:42:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Alex Under
With the recent patch update, if you have tons of ships jumping into an already lagged out system with bubbles on the other side, would your ships emergency warp like they used too until your overview refreshed or would your ships find themselves stuck in the bubble.
If so, I can see a lot of petitions being filed for loss of ships due to lag.
I think the most part of coalition pilots will jump to f-t via titan portals %)
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Evelyn Lavi
Independent Fleet
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:46:00 -
[165]
In 2007... war is beginning.
*takes off every 'zig'*
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Xeriuz
Caldari
The Puppet Masters.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:47:00 -
[166]
ok if this is to take place tonight or whenever
I WANT FRAPS OF THIS!!!!!!
thanks
______________________________________________
X
You Never Know What You Have Until You Lose It |
Gods Coldblood
The Phoenix Rising
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:47:00 -
[167]
buckle ur seat belts dorothy cause kansas is going bye bye
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:48:00 -
[168]
It will be interesting to see if the 'coalition' show up properly this time, or if its another red herring.
Good luck to both sides anyway, enjoy it if you can.
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My Li
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Posted - 2007.03.29 18:13:00 -
[169]
Can I just come and Salvage?
Clean up on isle 3 please???
GL and hope someone actually gets to fight...YOU WHO ARE ABOUT TO DIE...We SALUTE YOU!
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Evelyn Lavi
Independent Fleet
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.29 18:15:00 -
[170]
Originally by: My Li
Can I just come and Salvage?
Clean up on isle 3 please???
GL and hope someone actually gets to fight...YOU WHO ARE ABOUT TO DIE...We SALUTE YOU!
I got a buddy in IAC... said he'd give me regular updates on the battle as it's happening via phone... probably gonna be a lot of "blackscreened. Wait for it. Waaaaait for it..."
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killerco
Gallente
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 18:59:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Reservoir Dog
Originally by: killerco
Originally by: R'adeh
Switch off the Jita node for a day, and transfer it to the "stalingrad system"
fixed it for ya
1. Guess who were Stalingrad defenders and who are RA/RAT. What role you reserved to BoB?
2. Stalingrad was totally destroyed. i mean - TOTALLY. So no matter of any efforts your statement means POS will die in any case. TBH i don't see any other variants about that if 100+ dreads jumps in and go to siege mode near it. Only question remains: what will happen to those dreads after POS will be destroyed.
i know my history don't worry ;)
Beside i look at it from the point off view from the defender and since the coalition is on the offensive ;)
Don't be a great man just be a man |
Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
SECUWAY.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:11:00 -
[172]
TBH i think you should avoid ww2 analogies because this way or the other - there will be always someone pretty much pi**ed to be compared with those guys or the others, you know?
I wont take part in the action but im sure tonight we'll see the first extreme large scale capital ship engagement. I forsee the biggest isk sink of all times. I hope there will be some decent amount of footage to view afterwards.
HF to everyone involved.
Originally by: Cipher7
Its like if the Imperial Star Destroyers flew past the X-Wing fighters and started flying circles around them, it would turn Star Wars into a slapstick comedy a-la Benny Hill instead |
B Teamer
Gallente
The League of Extraordinary Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:25:00 -
[173]
What system and moon plz?
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Eimhin Bloodraven
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:25:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
... probably gonna be a lot of "blackscreened. Wait for it. Waaaaait for it..."
and just when they finally get to see the fight POOF, yer hind parts are on fire.
Baptism by Fire.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:32:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura. I find it hard to picture how any more brute force could be deployed to this situation short of a suicidal lemming zerg rush by all empire dwellers.
Dal
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
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Sorja
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:32:00 -
[176]
Originally by: SirMolle
And what are you guys bringing?
Our balls.
Nice balls, we'll take them
Seriously, this whole thing has no point.
It has to be done but we all know the outcome.
The only game where this could be possible is DaoC, or so I heard, never played it.
____________________
A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
DeckardIRL
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:35:00 -
[177]
The Lagfest is upon us
Deck
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Xelas Fleet Admiral
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Leandro Salazar
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:36:00 -
[178]
I frapsed my last 30 minutes of the action!
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There is no 'n' in turret
There is no 'r' in faction
There is no 'a' in Kestrel
There is no 'e' in Caldari
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Alain Dezor
Gallente
Mithril Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:37:00 -
[179]
This is awesome, I have approximately 9 minute lag
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DeckardIRL
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:38:00 -
[180]
Edited by: DeckardIRL on 29/03/2007 19:38:20
You are lucky I am at 18mins and counting
Deck
Edit:- when I get out of this mid jump I hope I am still alive....
_____________________________________________
Xelas Fleet Admiral
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Hastrabull
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:39:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Hastrabull on 29/03/2007 19:37:11
eve died ;)
20 minute lag on system jumpin
3 minute lag currently.
Hastrabull |
Caol
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:44:00 -
[182]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
You are lucky I am at 18mins and counting
Deck
School boy error on my part, i relogged , how many words can you make out of Character Selection.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:45:00 -
[183]
Excellent news! I just managed to load quake ammo. Now for some enemies to load.
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[Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |
axels2000
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:48:00 -
[184]
Stuck at work. Can you guys keep count of node reboots? Tks.
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:48:00 -
[185]
LV and TCF fleet are fighting hopelessly against lag, a lot of people seems to be dying, most don't it but they're already dead.
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Jelek Coro
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:49:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Jelek Coro on 29/03/2007 19:46:00
I appear to be stuck at a delightful black screen... *whistles a happy tune* 
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Eleese
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:51:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Amerame
LV and TCF fleet are fighting hopelessly against lag, a lot of people seems to be dying, most don't it but they're already dead.
Have you killed me yet? lol
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Gen Maton
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:51:00 -
[188]
Originally by: axels2000
Stuck at work. Can you guys keep count of node reboots? Tks.
I'm going with an over/under of 6.
I think I'm going to be taking the over.
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Alain Dezor
Gallente
Mithril Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:52:00 -
[189]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Edited by: DeckardIRL on 29/03/2007 19:38:20
You are lucky I am at 18mins and counting
Just hit the 20 minutes mark :)
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:52:00 -
[190]
gl to all of u as u battle the situaton. my thoughts are with the hamsters.
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Jelek Coro
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:55:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Alain Dezor
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Edited by: DeckardIRL on 29/03/2007 19:38:20
You are lucky I am at 18mins and counting
Just hit the 20 minutes mark :)
Trump that.... I am past 25 mins
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Karmae
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:57:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
In 2007... war is beginning.
*takes off every 'zig'*
WHAT HAPPEN?
====================
There is 10 types of people in this world...
Those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
Klak
Caldari
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:59:00 -
[193]
I jumped in, black-screened, and left for class. Maybe I'll be able to load when I get back in 30 minutes. \o/
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Kaylana Syi
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:59:00 -
[194]
don't disconnect or you'll never get in... embrace the login screen!
Team Minmatar
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Esau Cairn
Bombshell Cartel
Xelas Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 19:59:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Karmae
Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
In 2007... war is beginning.
*takes off every 'zig'*
WHAT HAPPEN?
They set us up... the lag.
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DeckardIRL
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 19:59:00 -
[196]
Edited by: DeckardIRL on 29/03/2007 19:55:57
Originally by: Caol
Originally by: DeckardIRL
You are lucky I am at 18mins and counting
Deck
School boy error on my part, i relogged , how many words can you make out of Character Selection.
Better this than a login queue......
_____________________________________________
Xelas Fleet Admiral
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OldPueblo
H.Y.D.R.A.
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:00:00 -
[197]
Everyone log into your "My Character" spot on the EVE website to see if your insurance money came in.
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:00:00 -
[198]
I've definitely died. I know that for sure.
Report from K-6.
Atm my "BS" is turning in random directions at a belt I never told it to warp to. I have 0 structure and shield, but some armor, according to my client. Targets are being called on TS, but they're not changing very often.
Local, to me, peaked at about 450 but seems to be 404 to me now.
Waiting to be podded. . . So the question. . . do I log and try to get back in or leave it?
- - - - - - - - - -
Give this a read. |
Ombey
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:00:00 -
[199]
After 10 minutes waiting for system to load... warp to out gate, excellent. Hmm. No-one else here. Odd. TS indicates there are 15 or so friendlies here. Yet, I am alone. Eeerie. My ship then oddly starts flying away from the gate. I can't stop it, or do anything. Helpless, I fly into the void.
--
2d EveMaps
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Lasakywa
Caldari
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:05:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Lasakywa on 29/03/2007 20:02:00
Joshua Foiritain, you're secondary target, i think you have 10 minutes to warp out, if you read these forum atm
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:07:00 -
[201]
3 jumps out coming from 319 I got jumpqueued and lost ship. 2nd try I was able to jump but next system never loaded. After a couple minutes I tried to relog. Bad call I guess. :)
Koronos
edit: oh yeah, and standings? what standings? So i'm dead anyway. :p
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:08:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Lasakywa
Edited by: Lasakywa on 29/03/2007 20:02:00
Joshua Foiritain, you're secondary target, i think you have 10 minutes to warp out, if you read these forum atm
lol! :D
The message has been passed on. . .
- - - - - - - - - -
Give this a read. |
Disco Bum
Gallente
Scream Discoteque
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:08:00 -
[203]
I'm frapsing this fleet battle ... 28 minutes of nothingness...
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Martin Lefouret
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:09:00 -
[204]
now wheres that guy that complained about 15 sec delay on his modules
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Lady Vorax
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:09:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Ombey
After 10 minutes waiting for system to load... warp to out gate, excellent. Hmm. No-one else here. Odd. TS indicates there are 15 or so friendlies here. Yet, I am alone. Eeerie. My ship then oddly starts flying away from the gate. I can't stop it, or do anything. Helpless, I fly into the void.
same problem, only after a few seconds i crashed. now have the login screan and a book infront of me:)
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Jelek Coro
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:14:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Koronos
3 jumps out coming from 319 I got jumpqueued and lost ship. 2nd try I was able to jump but next system never loaded. After a couple minutes I tried to relog. Bad call I guess. :)
Koronos
edit: oh yeah, and standings? what standings? So i'm dead anyway. :p
I hit black screen around 319... still waiting.
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:15:00 -
[207]
I have not seen a single ship on my overview in the last 55 minutes anywhere in the system :/ GF !
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OldPueblo
H.Y.D.R.A.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:17:00 -
[208]
Edited by: OldPueblo on 29/03/2007 20:13:44
Everybody off TS, we'll just have to turn-based the fight via the forums. If you get called primary, be honest and explode your ship.
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Lasakywa
Caldari
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:17:00 -
[209]
Originally by: OldPueblo
Everybody off TS, we'll just have to turn-based the fight via the forums.
Yes, here is the idea !
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Max Teranous
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:17:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
don't disconnect or you'll never get in... embrace the login screen!
Client crashed after waiting 20+ mins to get in 
/me looks at the connection screen now.....
Max
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NobodyGood
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:19:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Lasakywa
Edited by: Lasakywa on 29/03/2007 20:02:00
Joshua Foiritain, you're secondary target, i think you have 10 minutes to warp out, if you read these forum atm
Thanks just told him
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Ghostthor
Caldari
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:19:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Lasakywa
Edited by: Lasakywa on 29/03/2007 20:02:00
Joshua Foiritain, you're secondary target, i think you have 10 minutes to warp out, if you read these forum atm
I think I have an alliance forum ban but fuk it haha. Lasa wow!! hahah def an epic quote.
-hOr
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Disco Bum
Gallente
Scream Discoteque
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:20:00 -
[213]
Is this the end of EvE?
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:21:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Max Teranous
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
don't disconnect or you'll never get in... embrace the login screen!
Client crashed after waiting 20+ mins to get in
/me looks at the connection screen now.....
ditto. >_<
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Pharrow
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:22:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Amerame
I have not seen a single ship on my overview in the last 55 minutes anywhere in the system :/ GF !
There are no goons?
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Aramark
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:23:00 -
[216]
i'm playing on dialup 582 in local not much lag for me and running at 38FPS
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Aasia: Are you implying you are mean by nature and it requires conscious choice on your part to fight your nature and be nice? Aramark:y |
NobodyGood
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:23:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Disco Bum
Is this the end of EvE?
No just some really bad lag thats all
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:25:00 -
[218]
Okay new game. lets play via the forums they dont lag as bad. I perfectly wreck one hostile for 1124.3 damage. Who is next
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Myrddin Emiris
Prizm Ventures Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:26:00 -
[219]
Originally by: NobodyGood
Originally by: Disco Bum
Is this the end of EvE?
No just some really bad lag thats all
Don't bet on it! If those T2 Hampsters keel over, we may have to wait until more come out of production.
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Kahor
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:26:00 -
[220]
Ok guys, I need you to dps very slowly now, very very very slowly, not dots ok ? NO dots.
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An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
*snip*, do not evade the word filter with your sig. Email [email protected] for more information. -HornFrog |
Fuglife
Huff Technologies
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:26:00 -
[221]
NEWS FLASH!
Toxin's premier PVPer Welsh Wizard (3rd best pvper in Eve HISTORY) unveiled his Leviathon and has so far racked up 349 kills.
Congrats dude.
I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve |
Lady Vorax
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:27:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Myrddin Emiris
Originally by: NobodyGood
Originally by: Disco Bum
Is this the end of EvE?
No just some really bad lag thats all
Don't bet on it! If those T2 Hampsters keel over, we may have to wait until more come out of production.
Dude didnt they put the production facility on the same powerline?
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Myrddin Emiris
Prizm Ventures Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:28:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Lady Vorax
Originally by: Myrddin Emiris
Originally by: NobodyGood
Originally by: Disco Bum
Is this the end of EvE?
No just some really bad lag thats all
Don't bet on it! If those T2 Hampsters keel over, we may have to wait until more come out of production.
Dude didnt they put the production facility on the same powerline?
Uh oh, we are HOSED!
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:29:00 -
[224]
Did I just read that someone let Welsh drive a titan?
VOTE MR.MAYHEM'S MASS SUICIDE PARTY IN '08!!!!!
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:29:00 -
[225]
Can somone armor rep me please :(
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Neveren
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:33:00 -
[226]
*You remote armor repair Deathgrip*
STC recruiting! |
maomini
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:33:00 -
[227]
Edited by: maomini on 29/03/2007 20:29:53
g
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xh'duality
Caldari
Caldari Luftwaffe
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:34:00 -
[228]
So much for epic battle for eve history. More like epic lag fest for eve history.
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It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN
[The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"] |
welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:35:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Fuglife
Originally by: Califax Oman
Did I just read that someone let Welsh drive a titan?
You heard right friend, Leviathon named Popey's Revenge, he named it after his beloved sister that he unfortunately lost earlier this year to a fungal infection.
I'm getting on a train Fuglington, I'm gonna hunt you down and make you cry!
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Lasakywa
Caldari
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:35:00 -
[230]
Edited by: Lasakywa on 29/03/2007 20:31:58
Rofl, a fleet mate, 1 minute ago :
"Okay, i'm trying to warp out, saving my BS".
Another :
"Euuuhh, i see your wreck and your corpse right here"
WTF
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Duke Grail
Darkblade Technologies
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:35:00 -
[231]
can anyone tell me who i can warp to??? i'm pretty lagged... i can't see anyone... and i keep randomly dropping out of warp... occationally. is this good?
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:35:00 -
[232]
nice loginscreen i'll take it?
/omee
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:35:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Sadist
Originally by: DeathGrip
Okay new game. lets play via the forums they dont lag as bad. I perfectly wreck one hostile for 1124.3 damage. Who is next
I play this card
I dont have cool cards but everytime I face up with you I get out and the rest of my team dies. So I initiate warp :)
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
NobodyGood
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:36:00 -
[234]
Lasakywam, whats your killboard so I can see if i'm dead yet?
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axels2000
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:36:00 -
[235]
SO, no node crashes, just lag? It goes much better than anyone has expected. Yahoo. I am missing ALL of it.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:36:00 -
[236]
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 29/03/2007 20:33:27
Originally by: Mortecai
Sorry but it is inevitable. Node will crash many many times, server admins are going to be rebooting the node the entire night and sadly I do think that the most epic battle in eve will be decided by pure "luck" on the login que.
But this is what alliance warfare has become these days, sad but true.
Those about to lag, we salute you.
o\
QFT, saw it.
CCP, buy some real servers for fleet, please. Do you know sometimes there is big battles ?
I never saw such an ammount of lag. That is also the first time a camping side loose the grid to the profit of logers. I can't see this on last changelogs.
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History is made by whinners |
OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:36:00 -
[237]
conga!
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Sig removed as it is not eve related. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) |
xh'duality
Caldari
Caldari Luftwaffe
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:36:00 -
[238]
Warp to me. You will never get me :D
/me reading 101 avoid lagg fest handbook
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It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN
[The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"] |
Raivi
Explosion Matrix
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:37:00 -
[239]
I have to say. Respect to both sides for showing up.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |
Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:38:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Aramark
i'm playing on dialup 582 in local not much lag for me and running at 38FPS
you in jita?
From nothing to something in just one corp!
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Pharrow
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:38:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Adoro
Originally by: OldPueblo
Edited by: OldPueblo on 29/03/2007 20:13:44
Everybody off TS, we'll just have to turn-based the fight via the forums. If you get called primary, be honest and explode your ship.
now thats a good idea...
EVE CCG, anyone?
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:38:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Fuglife
Originally by: Califax Oman
Did I just read that someone let Welsh drive a titan?
You heard right friend, Leviathon named Popey's Revenge, he named it after his beloved sister that he unfortunately lost earlier this year to a fungal infection.
Honestly real life lost a sister? Sorry to hear that.
Congrats Outbreak on the titan though!
VOTE MR.MAYHEM'S MASS SUICIDE PARTY IN '08!!!!!
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:39:00 -
[243]
I finally got the friendly POS to load that i warped to after jumping in when we arrived. Lovely
To quote a gang member; "Eve has lots of lovely backgrounds, im glad im getting the opportunity to enjoy them."
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[Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |
Cataclysmic Rogue
Minmatar
Federation of Builders Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:40:00 -
[244]
So is anyone using Eve-Voice?
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Adoro
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:40:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Cataclysmic Rogue
So is anyone using Eve-Voice?
I lol'd again
--------
Originally by: Lavinrac Krad
You're either one of us or a Minmatar! What about Amarr? Bah, ha ha ha ha, Amarr, lol...
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:40:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Cataclysmic Rogue
So is anyone using Eve-Voice?
haha
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Mitchman
Omniscient Order
Cruel Intentions
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:41:00 -
[247]
There is no lag in eve, it's all blizzard propaganda!
New video: All Aboard The Pain Train
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xh'duality
Caldari
Caldari Luftwaffe
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:42:00 -
[248]
/me wonder why bob dosent have lagg wile we can do anything at all
---------------------------------------------------
It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN
[The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"] |
Vily
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:43:00 -
[249]
Edited by: Vily on 29/03/2007 20:40:54
Originally by: Cataclysmic Rogue
So is anyone using Eve-Voice?
thats a thread winner post right there
QFT
...edit.......... session change in progress..................................................
...............
...jsut keep filling in those dots for like the next five pages on the thread. i figure i'd get panned if i tried to do the actual dots.
-
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Fuglife
Huff Technologies
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:43:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Califax Oman
Originally by: Fuglife
Originally by: Califax Oman
Did I just read that someone let Welsh drive a titan?
You heard right friend, Leviathon named Popey's Revenge, he named it after his beloved sister that he unfortunately lost earlier this year to a fungal infection.
Honestly real life lost a sister? Sorry to hear that.
Congrats Outbreak on the titan though!
Yeah the loss was a big blow for him, being a great friend i try help him through the pain, the fungal infection was a nasty one, some people say that at night, in the right light, she looked like a mushroom. Welsh denys that it happens to this day, the shock was just too much..... May popey live on in eve, for ..... eternity!
I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve |
Adoro
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:44:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: Cataclysmic Rogue
So is anyone using Eve-Voice?
thats a thread winner post right there
QFT
Sure is, still laughing here
--------
Originally by: Lavinrac Krad
You're either one of us or a Minmatar! What about Amarr? Bah, ha ha ha ha, Amarr, lol...
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:45:00 -
[252]
Lol CCP made a mmaster plan to get all the damm PvPers that were ruining the steady income businnes of carebeing game making .. stuck all PVP players in a few systems form where they can't jump away never ever again!!!!
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:45:00 -
[253]
Woot Armor Reped, i now strike Sadness with another wrecking. Boo YA
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Raivi
Explosion Matrix
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:45:00 -
[254]
My map reads 1640 jumps into F-TE in the last hour.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |
Thoric Frosthammer
Fallen Angels Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:46:00 -
[255]
And in an official CCP press release today, Oveur announced:
"Due to the fact that the fleet battles contemplated by EVE are staged on servers incapable of handling large scale fleet battles, we have instituted a new sovereignty combat system. From now on, when an enemy pos goes into reinforced, a timer will be set. At the end of that timer, one member of each force will be randomly selected to play Rock, Paper Scissors. The winner will be declared the winner of the battle and receive sovereignty over the system."
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:46:00 -
[256]
Lag is down to 1 minute, i can actually see the gate and my friends. Now to see how those 600 hostiles affect the lag
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[Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |
Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:47:00 -
[257]
My grandmother could make the node/cluster run faster than this!
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ForceAttuned Krogoth
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:47:00 -
[258]
If anyone sees anything can we get some pictures of it?
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:47:00 -
[259]
[20:46:21] James Lyrus > Is that my cow? No, that's a rift citadel torpedo. It goes boom.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.03.29 20:48:00 -
[260]
Originally by: ForceAttuned Krogoth
If anyone sees anything can we get some pictures of it?
Its not very interesting, its just a whole bunch of us sitting on some gate while someone somewhere does something we're supposed to be defending or something. I think.
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[Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |
xh'duality
Caldari
Caldari Luftwaffe
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:49:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer
And in an official CCP press release today, Oveur announced:
"Due to the fact that the fleet battles contemplated by EVE are staged on servers incapable of handling large scale fleet battles, we have instituted a new sovereignty combat system. From now on, when an enemy pos goes into reinforced, a timer will be set. At the end of that timer, one member of each force will be randomly selected to play Rock, Paper Scissors. The winner will be declared the winner of the battle and receive sovereignty over the system."
YAY ill do it master at it
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It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN
[The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"] |
Rochel Hakiri
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:50:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Amerame
LV and TCF fleet are fighting hopelessly against lag, a lot of people seems to be dying, most don't know it yet, but they're already dead.
Guess Molly was right after all
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:52:00 -
[263]
[20:50:01] Bek > Be nice to IAC, I'm too lagged out to defend our honour
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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xh'duality
Caldari
Caldari Luftwaffe
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:52:00 -
[264]
Edited by: xh''duality on 29/03/2007 20:48:41
Originally by: Kasak Black
My grandmother could make the node/cluster run faster than this!
Here is what I can see soo far
Linkage
and that has been like that only for the past 40 mins.
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It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN
[The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON |
Cenila
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:52:00 -
[265]
I cant believe ccp did nothing about this, 2 hour on 4 jumps, i must say what is ccp doing iff they did not lookt into this.
iff i am dead can anybody send me a picture off me being there because i probebly did not see myself being in there |
Xarthaginian
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:54:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Lasakywa
Edited by: Lasakywa on 29/03/2007 20:02:00
Joshua Foiritain, you're secondary target, i think you have 10 minutes to warp out, if you read these forum atm
Easily the best post regarding this war yet....
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ForceAttuned Krogoth
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:55:00 -
[267]
i found this on their way Linkage
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Minigin
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:55:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer
And in an official CCP press release today, Oveur announced:
"Due to the fact that the fleet battles contemplated by EVE are staged on servers incapable of handling large scale fleet battles, we have instituted a new sovereignty combat system. From now on, when an enemy pos goes into reinforced, a timer will be set. At the end of that timer, one member of each force will be randomly selected to play Rock, Paper Scissors. The winner will be declared the winner of the battle and receive sovereignty over the system."
forget that its a sing off! get everyone on the same TS and have 2 people randomly chosen to sing for the victory!
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk |
Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:55:00 -
[269]
Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 29/03/2007 20:51:58
Originally by: xh'duality
Here is what I can see soo far
Linkage
and that has been like that only for the past 40 mins.
There is no lag, you're running over 300 FPS!
(Sarcasm)
EVE-O Forums Rules summary:
If the thought of doing something makes me giggle for more then 15 seconds, I am to assume I'm not allowed to do it. |
Winter Nuclear
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:55:00 -
[270]
Fights and lag aside, whats the status on the capship yards atm?
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:57:00 -
[271]
Originally by: xh'duality
/me wonder why bob dosent have lagg wile we can do anything at all
er, ?
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:57:00 -
[272]
Edited by: Zhaine on 29/03/2007 20:54:52
F**k forgot to change my skill before I jumped in :(
Brought my second account down. I've been trying to jump into D-3 (2 out from the actual POS system) for like 10 mins now.
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Give this a read. |
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:57:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Winter Nuclear
Fights and lag aside, whats the status on the capship yards atm?
I would assume they are still alive if nobody can travel to them and activate modules to fire upon them.
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:57:00 -
[274]
its old but true
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Sig removed as it is not eve related. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) |
Hunter Vonnegut
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:58:00 -
[275]
locking................
2007.03.29 20:34:57 Notify An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed.
2007.03.29 20:34:59 Notify An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed.
2007.03.29 20:51:30 Notify 150mm Railgun II deactivates because it's target, asdf, is not locked.
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Nimitz Alexander
Golden Goose Logistics
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:58:00 -
[276]
hell whats a scanner looklike? how many cap ships in system?
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Xarthaginian
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:59:00 -
[277]
On a completely seperate issue..... if 100mill isk equates to 15ish euro..... how much bloody money went poof 2nite?
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:59:00 -
[278]
I'll entertain you with fine art interpretations of your reports:
Army
Delictum 23216 Official forums |
Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:04:00 -
[279]
While all this lag is going on, all the BoBits are probably shield transfering the POS.
Poor coalition
LETS SEE YOU NERF THIS ONE Kreul!!!...
...if that is your REAL name o_O
Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw! |
Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:04:00 -
[280]
I think the real victor tonight is going to be the Lag
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WRWR
Amarr
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:05:00 -
[281]
terrible lagi cant log in back to game
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DarkNefrite
Caldari
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:06:00 -
[282]
an hundred dread pilots looking on they login screen.... good game... ****
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In Battle we Dance |
Ryuji Takeshi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:06:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Ombey
This is surreal. We have battles going on at the gate, with hostiles that most of us can't actually see, let alone lock. Invisible primaries are being called and then dying, slowly. Ships jump in, and then get shot up by the few of us that can see them. They are probably still lagged out from the jump.
Yep, pretty much. I haven't seen a ship for 50 min. But hearing the action from our friends who can see is just as exciting
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:07:00 -
[284]
Pure insanity. Coalition dreads keep jumping in. Alliance ships are repping POS and killing them like mad. At least 12 Coalition dreads down so far. Coalition Dreads are focusing on the POS.
POS shields holding...
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Vid - 'Killing Mother' |
OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:07:00 -
[285]
cant spam gangchat :(
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Sig removed as it is not eve related. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) |
Neveren
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:07:00 -
[286]
Edited by: Neveren on 29/03/2007 21:04:08
Seems Coalition is Suisiding Dreads to the POS with their support fleets cut off..
post thought...
*not that i can see anything...*
STC recruiting! |
Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:08:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Seleene
Pure insanity. Coalition dreads keep jumping in. Alliance ships are repping POS and killing them like mad. At least 12 Coalition dreads down so far. Coalition Dreads are focusing on the POS.
POS shields holding...
Madness. . . :o
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Give this a read. |
Kuar Z'thain
Baltic StarFleet
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:08:00 -
[288]
Damn, can't login. And not going to anytime soon it seems.
Quote:
Hi,
This is a mass reply to all "stuck" related issues.
We are currently experiencing some server issues with some of our nodes. We are currently looking into the problem and working on fixing it.
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Alex Under
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:08:00 -
[289]
Well I can see CCP reimbursing a lot of ships to people today due to 'lag deaths', so it seems to me that whatever gets killed in system will be petitioned.
"...Amateurs do it until they get it right, Professionals do it until they can't get it wrong..." |
Mindlles
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:08:00 -
[290]
Originally by: WRWR
terrible lagi cant log in back to game
NO ur going back with me to bed now hunny, And yeah bring ur alt to ;)
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Lady Vorax
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:09:00 -
[291]
made it back into space, going round round the gate..
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:09:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Seleene
Pure insanity. Coalition dreads keep jumping in. Alliance ships are repping POS and killing them like mad. At least 12 Coalition dreads down so far. Coalition Dreads are focusing on the POS.
POS shields holding...
tbh they wont see you because of lag for another 45min or more
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:09:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Alex Under
Well I can see CCP reimbursing a lot of ships to people today due to 'lag deaths', so it seems to me that whatever gets killed in system will be petitioned.
2 Differant systems. System with POS is not lagged half as bad as system with the fleet battle.
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:09:00 -
[294]
I think everyone can agree
THIS SUCKS :)
Even if things die most stuff is likey gonna be reinbursed becuase of simple black screens.
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:22:00 -
[295]
Well at least you can petition all the losses, and start all over again, and best 2 out of 3 wins?
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Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:22:00 -
[296]
WTF, pos dead, I"M STILL LOOKING AT LOGGING SCREEN!!!!
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ForceAttuned Krogoth
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:22:00 -
[297]
POS IS DOWN
Your signature still exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Serapis Aote
Minmatar
TBC
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:22:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Seleene
Pure insanity. Coalition dreads keep jumping in. Alliance ships are repping POS and killing them like mad. At least 12 Coalition dreads down so far. Coalition Dreads are focusing on the POS.
POS shields holding...
Let me get this straight....
Are you saying that the coalition is jumping its capital ships into what is essentially quicksand... without casing the joint out first with low cost ships.
I mean with those numbers the nodes *are gonna* lag to death.. its pointless bringing in capitals till you know that you are going to have superiority and that your capitals won't jump in staggered, which just means they get slaughtered.
Goonswarm use obscene numbers of ships to gain air superiority but they use cheap ships.... sounds like the Coalition is doing the same but with expensive ships... or have I got it all wrong?
Btw this thread is extremely interesting to read.
What choice the coalition have. Bob forcer already there in high numbers. If they jump in support fleet plus caps then they are in eve worse situation.
If you want that POS down, you have limited time to do it, with sheilds being repped up.
Its the future of eve warfare really. Cant be helped given game mechanics.
In this situation a support fleet for the coaltion would just make matters worse.
Also it looks like CCP probably didnt reinforce any of the nodes on the approach paths. Because it seems the lag at gates in the neighboring systems is much worse.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:22:00 -
[299]
Originally by: xh'duality
/me wonder why bob dosent have lagg wile we can do anything at all
I put Siege Module Warfare Link - Devsploithax on my Vulture.
In actuality, TS consists of people calling primaries that I can't see, followed by orders to warp to a gate that I can't click, followed by more invisible primaries. I've been in system since 19:35 and I have yet to see a single thing on my overview.
Good news is, in-game chat channels work great!
--P
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CaPsA
Caldari
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:22:00 -
[300]
My way stop 1 jump away from the target system ... Camping a gate in K-GK, 280 ennemies jump-in during 1 hour, only 2 saw !!! It's Hell there but the POS is going down maybe dead when i write, what a good news
GoGo My friends kill them all !!!
CaPsA
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:23:00 -
[301]
capital assembly array down
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N'irrti
Amarr
Katsu Corporation
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:23:00 -
[302]
Originally by: OozoO
tonight we dine in hell
No. We dine in front of a Login Screen
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Kasigi Yabu
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:23:00 -
[303]
Capital Shipyard is destroyed.
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NOObbody
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:23:00 -
[304]
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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I was sworn to absolute secrecy! |
Cenila
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:23:00 -
[305]
POS IS DOWN
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Belial02
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:24:00 -
[306]
Same =/
Why does CCP tell us those kind of battles are possible when its obvious they arent?
Originally by: Omeega
diplomacy is f1, f2, f3, really...
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Ziu
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:24:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Kasigi Yabu
Capital shipyard POS is destroyed
Confirmation from someone who isn't going to get their post nuked? |
valintino
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:24:00 -
[308]
cant log in waiting for god damn hour 45 now
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Velios
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:24:00 -
[309]
I have to admit I am quite glad to be sitting this particular evening out. The whole thing brings back too many bad memories of JV1V.
EvE at it's most unplayable and un-fun.
Plenty of drama and chest beating though from the uninformed many.
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Department |
OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:24:00 -
[310]
lost a ****loads of dreads tbh
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Sig removed as it is not eve related. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) |
titanstory
FRENCH NAVY
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:24:00 -
[311]
well done friends :)
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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:24:00 -
[312]
CCP: You will not enjoy this...I am not your Dev...
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:25:00 -
[313]
Not see? because of night perhaps? - why, day
Came back again for that! before it left,
The dying sunset kindled through a cleft:
The hills, like giants at a hunting, lay
Chin upon hand, to see the game at bay,--
"Now stab and end the creature - to the heft!"
Not hear? when noise was everywhere! it tolled
Increasing like a bell. Names in my ears
Of all the lost adventurers my peers,--
How such a one was strong, and such was bold,
And such was fortunate, yet each of old
Lost, lost! one moment knelled the woe of years.
There they stood, ranged along the hillsides, met
To view the last of me, a living frame
For one more picture! in a sheet of flame
I saw them and I knew them all. And yet
Dauntless the slug-horn to my lips I set,
And blew. "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower came."
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:25:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
So im guessing as soon as the POS is down so begins the cycling of BoB & Friends capships?
If they can cycle out in the lag and if both sides don't decide to hang in for a cap battle and settle the war tonight.
Dal
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
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TheArchJudge
Gallente
Delta team
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:25:00 -
[315]
POS is down and they killed it with only 3 dreads, White Socceres dying 2 times and still coming back from the dead, well at least thats what i saw.
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Zmey
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:26:00 -
[316]
RIP shipyard ...
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ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:26:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Belial02
Same =/
Why does CCP tell us those kind of battles are possible when its obvious they arent?
if oveur said dont do it would you stop doing it ?
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Caol
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:26:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Kozak
WTF, pos dead, I"M STILL LOOKING AT LOGGING SCREEN!!!!
Q to the FT
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Emrod
Legion Du Lys
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:27:00 -
[319]
Edited by: Emrod on 29/03/2007 21:25:31
Meanwhile in the CCp headquater:
DEv-All the hamster have die!!!!! The server gonna explose and destroy all of Island!
Server manager- Damn i know that we must dont buy a ex USSR nuclear server computer...and btw the radiation have dry all of my coffee
DEv- We are doooooooooooom! What we gonna do without Hamster now?
Server manager- SEND ALL THE GM AT THEIR PLACE
to be continued....
I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P |
Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:27:00 -
[320]
i wonder if it was worth it, well have to see after the battle
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Pod from above. |
Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:27:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Velios
I have to admit I am quite glad to be sitting this particular evening out. The whole thing brings back too many bad memories of JV1V.
EvE at it's most unplayable and un-fun.
Plenty of drama and chest beating though from the uninformed many.
Here Here, the whole jv1v **** put me off pos warfare for a loooong time. I feel for both sides here it aint a nice experiance thats for sure.
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My sig got nerf'd again :*( this time by Valorem.
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DirtyHarry
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:27:00 -
[322]
was it unplayable as usual?
Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard |
Bill Weyland
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:28:00 -
[323]
FoFoFo
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:28:00 -
[324]
From what I heard the pos is about to go down, but so are a huge number of hostile dreads (hostile to me that is).
And the lag is horrible. I was trying to make a sniping BM 180km from a gate, but when I got to 180 I could not stop my snip, nor make a BM. I just kept going. At 500km from the gate, I could still not stop my ship, at which point I tried relogging and has yet to get back in.
Lag wins again :(
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Adoro
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:28:00 -
[325]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
was it unplayable as usual?
Dont bother asking :)
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Originally by: Lavinrac Krad
You're either one of us or a Minmatar! What about Amarr? Bah, ha ha ha ha, Amarr, lol...
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:28:00 -
[326]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
was it unplayable as usual?
Dunno about the POS sys itself but the two leading up to it were totally unplayable.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:29:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Doddy
Looks like when lag is in coalitions favour (jv1v) stuff shouldnt be reimbursed, when its against them it should. figures .... Ofc this means they can just suicide dreads as much as they like, if node crashes they win, if not they get the ships reimburssed
Are you a GM? Do you know for sure the dreads will be reimbursed? <waiting> <hears crickets>
Didnt think so.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:29:00 -
[328]
im not taking part in this fleetbattle but if lag and the current game performance reinforces the invincibility of large alliances this game is broken. this war is supposed to be an epic event and not a freakin lagfest where nothing can be achieved but an insane amout of petitions.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Hibi Researcher
Amarr
Lilium Venture Initiative
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:30:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
From what I heard the pos is about to go down, but so are a huge number of hostile dreads (hostile to me that is).
And the lag is horrible. I was trying to make a sniping BM 180km from a gate, but when I got to 180 I could not stop my snip, nor make a BM. I just kept going. At 500km from the gate, I could still not stop my ship, at which point I tried relogging and has yet to get back in.
Lag wins again :(
you never EVER re-log in these situations. wait out the lag, NEVER EVER EVER re-log
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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:30:00 -
[330]
Well done coalition mission acomplished :) I was rooting for you heh lets jsut see if it gets petitioned or not like lvs lol.
Most likely it wont lv lost there cap ship array, RKK lost theres whos next tbh
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TheArchJudge
Gallente
Delta team
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:30:00 -
[331]
White Socceres just died the 4th time in a revelation
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:30:00 -
[332]
Originally by: Admiral Pieg
i wonder if it was worth it, well have to see after the battle
a titan is worth more than it's combined mineral value
________
been there, done that, got the t-shirt
I love Emily |
garishwinner
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:30:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Boliknar
Edited by: Boliknar on 29/03/2007 21:10:33
Originally by: Major Stormer
I think everyone can agree
THIS SUCKS :)
Even if things die most stuff is likey gonna be reinbursed becuase of simple black screens.
I think the real question is can we count on the reimbursement to be fair and equal to both sides...
Somehow I doubt it.
Stupid ass comments like this ruin the game. Do you really believe the Devs play favorites? If so go pod yourself. Grow up or leave Eve altogether if you think its not fair.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:31:00 -
[334]
POS is down. Cap array is dead.
MANY Coalition dreads down. Chances are every Coalition Cap left here is going to die.
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Vid - 'Killing Mother' |
Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:31:00 -
[335]
Originally by: garishwinner
Originally by: Boliknar
Edited by: Boliknar on 29/03/2007 21:10:33
Originally by: Major Stormer
I think everyone can agree
THIS SUCKS :)
Even if things die most stuff is likey gonna be reinbursed becuase of simple black screens.
I think the real question is can we count on the reimbursement to be fair and equal to both sides...
Somehow I doubt it.
Stupid ass comments like this ruin the game. Do you really believe the Devs play favorites? If so go pod yourself. Grow up or leave Eve altogether if you think its not fair.
they ahve spieda ll thruoghout the allied alliances if they attacked it it wud hav been found through good intel so yes most likely there was a titan in production there
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Lenaria
Caldari
Draconis Navitas Aeterna
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:32:00 -
[336]
90% of coalition support fleet didnt managed to get to the system. 90% coalition dreads crashed while jumping to the system. Suppose, BOB have as much lag as even 10% coalitions dreads was enouth to destroy POS.
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Vladimir Yuchenko
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:32:00 -
[337]
So.....
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:32:00 -
[338]
Originally by: Belial02
Same =/
Why does CCP tell us those kind of battles are possible when its obvious they arent?
They never said it's possible. Feel free to prove me wrong.
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Hibi Researcher
Amarr
Lilium Venture Initiative
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:33:00 -
[339]
Originally by: Fedaykinn
Well done coalition mission acomplished :) I was rooting for you heh lets jsut see if it gets petitioned or not like lvs lol.
Most likely it wont lv lost there cap ship array, RKK lost theres whos next tbh
you do realize RKK has like THREE of them dont you?
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Ty'derian
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:33:00 -
[340]
Status is.. BOB and their allies failed their target to protect their Titan POS.
The South and North Forces was overstrong and kicked BOB's ass
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Phoenus
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:33:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Seleene
POS is down. Cap array is dead.
MANY Coalition dreads down. Chances are every Coalition Cap left here is going to die.
And I'm at work..
Damn you to hell
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Adoro
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:34:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Lenaria
90% of coalition support fleet didnt managed to get to the system. 90% coalition dreads crashed while jumping to the system. Suppose, BOB have as much lag as even 10% coalitions dreads was enouth to destroy POS.
Dont act like coalition did so superior...10% of them fleet was still insane ammounts of dreads.
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Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:34:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Seleene
POS is down. Cap array is dead.
MANY Coalition dreads down. Chances are every Coalition Cap left here is going to die.
I just jumped out, so that is probably an overstatement.
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:34:00 -
[344]
Originally by: Adoro
Originally by: Lenaria
90% of coalition support fleet didnt managed to get to the system. 90% coalition dreads crashed while jumping to the system. Suppose, BOB have as much lag as even 10% coalitions dreads was enouth to destroy POS.
Dont act like coalition did so superior...10% of them fleet was still insane ammounts of dreads.
Some ones upset :P
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:34:00 -
[345]
Mostly just sounds lame.
EVE gives so much incentive and tools for huge fleet battles, then utterly fails to actually be able to support them.
Attacker and Defender can only be frustrated at the utter lack of ability to actually control their own fate. Instead you just spend time waiting for the game to tell you whether or not it took a dump on you.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:35:00 -
[346]
But they got the POS.
BOB said bring it, The Coalition brought it.
I hardly think they went in without knowing that there was quite a chance they could lose their ships. But they went in anyway.
All this talk about "not being worth it" is ridiculous. They set a goal, and they reached it. Despite their losses and people trying to compare it isk vs. isk seriously need to wake up.
They went into BOB space, a mix of alliances BOB has ridiculed on these very forums, and they took down a cap shipyard. I know who I would call the "winner", if there is such a thing.
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Isanoe nothwood
Amarr
FRENCH NAVY
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:35:00 -
[347]
Anyone heard about bob's titan around to death ?
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Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:35:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Seleene
POS is down. Cap array is dead.
MANY Coalition dreads down. Chances are every Coalition Cap left here is going to die.
I've counted 12 Coalition dreds out of the POS system already.
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batloard
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:35:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: Seleene
POS is down. Cap array is dead.
MANY Coalition dreads down. Chances are every Coalition Cap left here is going to die.
I just jumped out, so that is probably an overstatement.
lol ive been jumping through the same gate for an hour and a half now i took a shower ate then went to grab smokes came back im still here
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:36:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Ty'derian
Status is.. BOB and their allies failed their target to protect their Titan POS.
The South and North Forces was overstrong and kicked BOB's ass
Doesnt that rather depend on how many capitals you lose in the process?
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DeWieKat
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:36:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Seleene
POS is down. Cap array is dead.
MANY Coalition dreads down. Chances are every Coalition Cap left here is going to die.
no way
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:36:00 -
[352]
If your gonna lose a POS, what a way to lose it!!!
Props to all sides, one day maybe the servers will be able to handle this kind of battle. This thread was epic if nothing else.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:36:00 -
[353]
Originally by: Seleene
POS is down. Cap array is dead.
MANY Coalition dreads down. Chances are every Coalition Cap left here is going to die.
..and the way i hear it, so is Orange Species Ragnorok.
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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DirtyHarry
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:36:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Zhaine
Originally by: DirtyHarry
was it unplayable as usual?
Dunno about the POS sys itself but the two leading up to it were totally unplayable.
A nice reminder of why I don't play
/me shines TBC CD
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Joram McRory
Caldari
Darwin With Attitude
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:43:00 -
[355]
Well all this talk of POSes and capitals is all well and good - but what about the main story???
I lagged & ctded at a gate 4 jumps out and lost my ship to gate rats oh what a fun evening I have had. CCP 4tl tbh.
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:43:00 -
[356]
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
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JonVe
Gallente
FireTech
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:44:00 -
[357]
Win
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Belial02
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:44:00 -
[358]
I gave up i spent hours trying to log back in ... got better things to do....
Originally by: Omeega
diplomacy is f1, f2, f3, really...
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:44:00 -
[359]
Regardless of losses (to which i myself am not aware of) i think the greater victory is the moral one.
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CRUSH3R
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:45:00 -
[360]
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
we were able to bring more, we had about 800 pilots including 200 capitals. But the node ****** us up... I managed to jump in with my dread but I couldn't load the pos envirement :\\\ GF anyway.
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Dave White
The Kennels
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:45:00 -
[361]
Grats Coalition
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:45:00 -
[362]
Titan worhts far more than same value in dreads. thaa because all alliances have dreads, but very few have titans. That means that 1 titan more or less tips the balance. Not to talk on the effect that a tripple DDD detonation would have.
Of course its an expensive Victory. But that is how real victories are!
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DARK DAY
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:45:00 -
[363]
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Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:45:00 -
[364]
Originally by: dirtystockbird
Edited by: dirtystockbird on 29/03/2007 21:38:36
Meh, don't think the game was meant to be played like this, where you cannot even move, lock, load, jump etc. Just sit and stare at a screen for 2 hours doing nothing.
Oh and Boliknar, seriously, you are a complete retard. And CCP is still TIED for first mmmkay?
Oh, and Kozak, if that was petionable then all ships should be petitionable. And if thats the case then the POS should be replaced as well since you really have no risk of loss when lagging and engaging large scale fleets.
I dont' know about that. The POS shot plenty, so did the BOB gang. I didn't get a chance to do anything. I'd think anyone that fired ore even repped should not be reimbursed, but if I didn't even load, shoot, or had a chance to defend my ship, then I'd think I should get mine back. If the POS lagged and didn't shoot any capitals, and wasn't repped by the insane amount of carriers that were there, then reimburse it too.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:45:00 -
[365]
I think its safe to say that we lost less isk than the atackers did (especially if you include the fitting on the killed capital ships), although the final result will have to wait until someone does a count on the killboards.
And I am sure that CCP wont reimburse anyone in this fight. Cause if they do, they have to reimburse everyone and that would include the pos as well.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:46:00 -
[366]
Originally by: DeathGrip
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
Well you can build 75 dreads at once in stations and freighter minerals to those stations. It not really comparable. Its not really an ISK thing.
the logistics of Titan construction are enough to make anyone feel ill - thats the real killer, the time you sink into it
Time is the biggest single cost in eve, and the most valuable commodity a player can give.
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BobFromMarketing
Amarr
H.Y.D.R.A.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:46:00 -
[367]
Why not? The perfect trap id say. I bet the pos didnt even contain anything worth mentioning.
So you're saying we should after your cap ship array in K-9 just to be sure?
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Sniperpirate
Minmatar
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:46:00 -
[368]
system capped off at 700
gm said no more ppl allowed...i know at least 400 more ppl trying to get in
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:46:00 -
[369]
I wasent there, but why try count in iskis.... Both will claim victory if it now was a titan inside. Bob side will claim we wtfpwn dreads like mad, otherside we wtfpwn a titan and insured our dreads and used crappy fitting so we get everuthing back etc etc.... Now if ccp just can fix those servers...
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Angor
Minmatar
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:46:00 -
[370]
Thats it, i officially hate this game. absolute pathetic and im not even a in the thick of it. on a gate camp a few jumps out. i actually feel guilty for the half of dozen hostiles we did kill as im sure they knew nothing about it. eve is seriously not going to survive this and grow as a game if this is all its going to be about. if more people are to sign up to this game and find this kind of rubbish happening then whats the point... i really want the last 2 hrs of my life back as that was a joke. complete dissapointment, not fun at all... i cant believe i feel like this and i didnt even loose my ship... i would have laughed if someone locked me because it would have meant i could see them... "OMG A TARGET!!!" so peeved off... how many so called "battles" like this does this game have to have before everybody gives up on it?
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:46:00 -
[371]
Originally by: DeathGrip
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
Since you can build hundreds of dreadnoughts simultaneously in low sec systems and buy them from independent producers, it doesn't take a long time at all. It does, however, cost a crapload of isk.
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CRUSH3R
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:46:00 -
[372]
Originally by: DeathGrip
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
we had less then 20 dreads who could jump to POS :\ so the losses are not very big.
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matty01
Killson Corp
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:47:00 -
[373]
Originally by: Fuujin
Regardless of losses (to which i myself am not aware of) i think the greater victory is the moral one.
and the fact that they killed a titan in production, rather than letting it live and having it be unkillable basically
win/win eh
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:47:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: DeWieKat
Originally by: Seleene
POS is down. Cap array is dead.
MANY Coalition dreads down. Chances are every Coalition Cap left here is going to die.
no way
Maybe not all.. but quite a few. No matter what was in that Array, this was an expensive 'victory'.
It depends on objectives and the preset acceptable casualities.
If the coalition objective was "get it down at all costs" if it goes down, they acchieved their objectives and may claim "victory".
If the Bob and bandwagon objective was "make them bleed" they succeeded in it beyond all expectations.
If the parties involved had other objectives, both may call it a lost fight. Depends really. Factions are so big economical loses are kinda. Replecable.
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DARK DAY
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:47:00 -
[375]
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NUKUNNI TRADING
Amarr
Antares Frontier
The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:47:00 -
[376]
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Melissa Mao
Fires of Time
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:47:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Fuujin
Regardless of losses (to which i myself am not aware of) i think the greater victory is the moral one.
So you are saying that it gives you a moral high to know that with thousands of ships and 100+ dreads you are able to take down a BOB pos, while losing a ton of that in the process?
Well :) To each his own :)
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:48:00 -
[378]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: DeathGrip
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
Well you can build 75 dreads at once in stations and freighter minerals to those stations. It not really comparable. Its not really an ISK thing.
the logistics of Titan construction are enough to make anyone feel ill - thats the real killer, the time you sink into it
Time is the biggest single cost in eve, and the most valuable commodity a player can give.
70 dreads is worse on logistics, you can unload freighters at POS's if you use cans . . .
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Electric Cucumber
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:48:00 -
[379]
Originally by: DeathGrip
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
the dreads don't all belong to the same alliance...
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:50:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Electric Cucumber
Originally by: DeathGrip
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
the dreads don't all belong to the same alliance...
Was gonna write this
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:50:00 -
[381]
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My Li
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:51:00 -
[382]
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Lasakywa
Caldari
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:51:00 -
[383]
25 dreads down.. Not 75.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:51:00 -
[384]
Wait till they find out the Array was empty.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:51:00 -
[385]
Originally by: DeathGrip
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
10days? All dreads take that time I think...
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Skoot
Gallente
La Stere
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:51:00 -
[386]
If the coalition will keep it this way , they will end up claiming that killing a bob shuttle worth losing 10 battleships .
So lets all give the a moral burst .. YOU GUYS ROCK !!!@!!@! ... or not :P
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:51:00 -
[387]
It doesn't look like this is a type of "victory" that is sustainable for the agressors to me. Let's wait and see what the killboards make of it.
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:51:00 -
[388]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
CCP...this was awful performance, really bad, half our fleet could not get near the system...but we still killed the POS
You wern't any better off than us mate. . .
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:51:00 -
[389]
Edited by: Fubear on 29/03/2007 21:51:47
The big differance here is that 50 Dreads are easily replaceable, a Titan is not.
Between the various alliances involved, I would expect all Dread losses to be replaced within the week with the various industrial corps working on replenishing depleted stockpiles. BoB have to wait months for the replacement Dread. The damage anothe BoB Titan would ultimately inflict after construction has to be taken into account as well.
I think it is a definate victory for the Coalition, even if the ISK values fall out of favor for the battle itself. Hats off to them for having the balls to commit to the fight, knowing that it was most likely suicide for the entire dread fleet because lag (apparently) made them warp/jump in in dribs and drabs.
EDIT: Forgot to ask, what roles did the Titans play in thie fisaco, how many were in play and how did they affect the support fleets role in the battles?
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
[390]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: DeathGrip
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
10days? All dreads take that time I think...
I think in his head all the capships are going to made from the 1 pos, and not several POS and Stations....
Let him dream.
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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ForceAttuned Krogoth
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
[391]
2 bob mother ships down?
and the system is caped at 700?
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Divus
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
[392]
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Abram
Caldari
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
[393]
Worst lag ever, and i have been around. Thanks for the fun, time for some BF2
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
[394]
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/03/2007 21:49:45
Everyone expected to lose a lot, coming into this.
EVE favors defenders. It's always better to be the blob on the gate, than the blob jumping through. It's doubly hard when the defender is BoB, on their own turf.
Knowing that, hundreds showed up. I think that says something about the general spirit in this game.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:52:00 -
[395]
Originally by: Xeliya
Edited by: Xeliya on 29/03/2007 21:45:15
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: DeathGrip
lets say only 25 dreads die, i am guessing more like 75. HOw much time it take to build them compared to the titan.
Well you can build 75 dreads at once in stations and freighter minerals to those stations. It not really comparable. Its not really an ISK thing.
the logistics of Titan construction are enough to make anyone feel ill - thats the real killer, the time you sink into it
Time is the biggest single cost in eve, and the most valuable commodity a player can give.
70 dreads is worse on logistics, you can unload freighters at POS's if you use freight cans . . .
You're wrong, plain and simple.
You can build as many dreads as there are factory slots in a lowsec station.
You cannot compare the two in terms of time and effort.
With ISK, which is frankly not hard to come by for a group of major alliances, you can simply pay any number of industrial corps to build your dreads. Now tell me you can do that with a titan.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
[396]
Originally by: Angor
Thats it, i officially hate this game. absolute pathetic and im not even a in the thick of it. on a gate camp a few jumps out. i actually feel guilty for the half of dozen hostiles we did kill as im sure they knew nothing about it. eve is seriously not going to survive this and grow as a game if this is all its going to be about. if more people are to sign up to this game and find this kind of rubbish happening then whats the point... i really want the last 2 hrs of my life back as that was a joke. complete dissapointment, not fun at all... i cant believe i feel like this and i didnt even loose my ship... i would have laughed if someone locked me because it would have meant i could see them... "OMG A TARGET!!!" so peeved off... how many so called "battles" like this does this game have to have before everybody gives up on it?
Hey man, dont feel bad, I at least got a pretty view your sabre orbiting my ship. no overview, no controls and a wreck icon on my otherwise intact looking ship, but its all good :)
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Ander
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
[397]
Confirmed:
- Lots of dreads of coalition down.
Comment: However, MOST are insured. Insure-cost 500mill per dread.
If 60 dreads were lost 30bill would also be spent + the fitting.
- POS downed.
Comment: Consider the build cost of a titan. +60billion isk + bpc .
- Lots of coalition T1 ships lost (including the dreads).
- Insurance was payout has been given.
Not-confirmed:
- How many dreads were lost.
You do the equation.
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Caldari
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
[398]
Edited by: The Slayer on 29/03/2007 21:49:35
Well to be fair, dreads are insurable, an unborn titan is not. ^^ GODDAMN YOU ^^
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Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
[399]
Everyone doesnt' realize that most large alliances buid dreads, I inured mine, had regular mods on, worth about 200-300 mill, got back 1.6 billion about, will get a new one from alliance, so lost aobut 600 mill total. Times that by 50 and you dont' even come close to what a Titan costs or even what was lost in the fight where bob lost 9 faction fitted dreads.
We were all told this will most likely be a one way trip. We all treated it as so.
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ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:53:00 -
[400]
Originally by: Fubear
The big differance here is that 50 Dreads are easily replaceable, a Titan is not.
Between the various alliances involved, I would expect all Dread losses to be replaced within the week with the various industrial corps working on replenishing depleted stockpiles. BoB have to wait months for the replacement Dread. The damage anothe BoB Titan would ultimately inflict after construction has to be taken into account as well.
I think it is a definate victory for the Coalition, even if the ISK values fall out of favor for the battle itself. Hats off to them for having the balls to commit to the fight, knowing that it was most likely suicide for the entire dread fleet because lag (apparently) made them warp/jump in in dribs and drabs.
i would agree if it was the first titan. but the tactical value of four titans instead of three is well :)
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:54:00 -
[401]
I think all in all, both sides will claim victory. BoB destroyed enough capitals to make it well worth it for them, collition destroyed a Cap Ship Yard.
I do know the fleet fight 2 jumps out with 400 poeople in local we killed about 40-50 more bs's and I had fun other than the lag.
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TornSoul
BIG
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:54:00 -
[402]
Originally by: Admiral Pieg
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: DeathGrip
Originally by: Frygok
But they got the POS.
BOB said bring it, The Coalition brought it.
I hardly think they went in without knowing that there was quite a chance they could lose their ships. But they went in anyway.
All this talk about "not being worth it" is ridiculous. They set a goal, and they reached it. Despite their losses and people trying to compare it isk vs. isk seriously need to wake up.
They went into BOB space, a mix of alliances BOB has ridiculed on these very forums, and they took down a cap shipyard. I know who I would call the "winner", if there is such a thing.
If every POS costs the collition this many ships, they are in trouble, dont care how you look at it.
If every POS has a 60b baby titan in it, I bet its worth it. Don't pretend this wasn't an exceptional fight, BoB would never have brought similar numbers for a normal POS.
Why not? The perfect trap id say. I bet the pos didnt even contain anything worth mentioning.
Forget the ISK - It's replacable.
The moral victory on the other hand is pricelss.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:55:00 -
[403]
Good Job Coalition. I rushed home from work, logged in my dread, only to see the coalition dreads already jumping into F-T...missed it by 5 minutes.
Good job though.
Shamis
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Orin Fatch
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:55:00 -
[404]
700 people max in the system is just stupid..
So the hunders of people in frigs flying around causing lag. just doing nothing. These people can stop the attackers, or defenders from gaining the upper hand.
In other words.
(as an example of how stupid limiting is)
BoB had 400 in system
Coalition could only get max of 300
On top of that, BoB forces had already loaded the system grid.
Coalition, having to load the grid, keep dropping, and disconnecting.
So the people who lost their POS, who can fight (with lag) but at leats play complain and say, we ost out POS. fine.
But the people who couldn't load in the first place. or because of lagg disconnection. get jumped in when they are all alone. get killed. and their petition will be rejected as well.
Dont tell me, its a fair fight.
Because of game mechanics and server, the battle was ruined for many many people.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:55:00 -
[405]
CCP 4tl!!!
4 hours to jump 3 jumps and then we still had 2 more to go.
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
[406]
I hope CCp can see this AGAIn as a great example how idiotic was to introduce titans as they are into the game
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
[407]
Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:55:16
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
Also, at about 3 bil to buy and fit a dread, losing 25 of them is 75bil, as much as the cost of a titan.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
[408]
Originally by: Melissa Mao
Edited by: Melissa Mao on 29/03/2007 21:44:51
Originally by: Fuujin
Regardless of losses (to which i myself am not aware of) i think the greater victory is the moral one.
So you are saying that it gives you a moral high to know that with thousands of ships and 100+ dreads you are able to take down a BOB pos. :)
Well :) To each his own :)
Not to mention that they actually brought it to BOB'S backyard, knowing they would get severe lag due to be those jumping in. They didn't care, they did it anyway.
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Von Zarovick
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
[409]
Im pretty sure CCP changed realoding times, and jumping times
it took me over 40 minutes reloading, this is not an exaggeration, it took over 40 minutes.
I pressed jump, at least 40 times over these 40 minutes, nothing happened
<3 lag.
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Ty'derian
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:56:00 -
[410]
Originally by: DeathGrip
I think all in all, both sides will claim victory. BoB destroyed enough capitals to make it well worth it for them, collition destroyed a Cap Ship Yard.
I do know the fleet fight 2 jumps out with 400 poeople in local we killed about 40-50 more bs's and I had fun other than the lag.
no
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Gershomea Raphael
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:57:00 -
[411]
Talk about anti-climax. Rushed home from work at lunchtime, bought and fitted a ship, rushed back to work, got home early, wapred 20-odd jumps to end up stuck for 1 hour 10 minutes and counting on a gate 1 jump from the fight.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:57:00 -
[412]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Christ its amazing how Axe and Corm have so quickly turned into BoB-Fanbois.
Yes, we should have allied with the Russians after fighting them for only the better part of 2006.
/Ben
How to fix Eve |
Dave White
The Kennels
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
[413]
Edited by: Dave White on 29/03/2007 21:54:42
Well, the server lives to see another day.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Ben Derindar
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Christ its amazing how Axe and Corm have so quickly turned into BoB-Fanbois.
Yes, we should have allied with the Russians after fighting them for only the better part of 2006.
/Ben
Heaven forbid you fight neither, or both.
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Cpt Pugwash
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
[415]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: SirMolle
Just to paint you a picture.
We are expecting;
200-300 capital ships total
Anywhere from 2-7 Titans
Anywhere from 5-25 Motherships
5-10 Support fleets, in the numbers of at least 100 each.
Whatever goes down, it will be written into the history.
Wow, not far off.
And what are you guys bringing?
Our *snip*.
Updated for you
Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
[416]
Edited by: DeathGrip on 29/03/2007 21:54:59
Originally by: Ty'derian
Originally by: DeathGrip
I think all in all, both sides will claim victory. BoB destroyed enough capitals to make it well worth it for them, collition destroyed a Cap Ship Yard.
I do know the fleet fight 2 jumps out with 400 poeople in local we killed about 40-50 more bs's and I had fun other than the lag.
no
You cant say no when everyone is doing so :)
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:58:00 -
[417]
Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:52:31
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
I'm afraid you're completely wrong about that. As has been stated many many times before, dreads are infinitely more replaceable than Titans. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if RA has more liquid ISK than BoB.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |
Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:59:00 -
[418]
Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:52:31
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
SPread out on over like 10-15 alliances.... dont shoot yourself in your foot...
Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests
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Armenia Elclestis
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:00:00 -
[419]
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Ty'derian
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:00:00 -
[420]
Originally by: DeathGrip
Edited by: DeathGrip on 29/03/2007 21:54:59
Originally by: Ty'derian
Originally by: DeathGrip
I think all in all, both sides will claim victory. BoB destroyed enough capitals to make it well worth it for them, collition destroyed a Cap Ship Yard.
I do know the fleet fight 2 jumps out with 400 poeople in local we killed about 40-50 more bs's and I had fun other than the lag.
no
You cant say no when everyone is doing so :)
I can : ) cause i have the power of [DEV]
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dirtystockbird
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:00:00 -
[421]
Originally by: Orin Fatch
700 people max in the system is just stupid..
So the hunders of people in frigs flying around causing lag. just doing nothing. These people can stop the attackers, or defenders from gaining the upper hand.
In other words.
(as an example of how stupid limiting is)
BoB had 400 in system
Coalition could only get max of 300
On top of that, BoB forces had already loaded the system grid.
Coalition, having to load the grid, keep dropping, and disconnecting.
So the people who lost their POS, who can fight (with lag) but at leats play complain and say, we ost out POS. fine.
But the people who couldn't load in the first place. or because of lagg disconnection. get jumped in when they are all alone. get killed. and their petition will be rejected as well.
Dont tell me, its a fair fight.
Because of game mechanics and server, the battle was ruined for many many people.
OMG, you cannot be serious? YOUR coalition uses the thousands of goons flying around in t1 frigates and ROOKIE SHIPS literally lagging out every system they enter, and you complaining about BOB showing up to defend their capital POS is laughable.
I agree that a 700 player count is retarded, but look inward at your own coaltion ffs.
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Karma Kahn
Amarr
OLE Mining Corp
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:00:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/03/2007 21:49:45
Everyone expected to lose a lot, coming into this.
EVE favors defenders. It's always better to be the blob on the gate, than the blob jumping through. It's doubly hard when the defender is BoB, on their own turf.
Knowing that, hundreds showed up. I think that says something about the general spirit in this game.
if it favours the defenders then thats a complete turnaround and bs from jv1v where lv were defending and the chants by others of thats why bob always jumps in . if yer gonna bs then at least use the same bs everytime.
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Duke Grail
Darkblade Technologies
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:01:00 -
[423]
i would like to say... thanks for turing out, i had some fun chatting in local... thankfully it was smack free... i didn't even get to fire a shot (heck, i didn't even see another ship after the first gang warp...) gratz on the capshipyard kill, gratz on the many dread kills.
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ForceAttuned Krogoth
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:02:00 -
[424]
Originally by: Orin Fatch
700 people max in the system is just stupid..
So the hunders of people in frigs flying around causing lag. just doing nothing. These people can stop the attackers, or defenders from gaining the upper hand.
In other words.
(as an example of how stupid limiting is)
BoB had 400 in system
Coalition could only get max of 300
On top of that, BoB forces had already loaded the system grid.
Coalition, having to load the grid, keep dropping, and disconnecting.
So the people who lost their POS, who can fight (with lag) but at leats play complain and say, we ost out POS. fine.
But the people who couldn't load in the first place. or because of lagg disconnection. get jumped in when they are all alone. get killed. and their petition will be rejected as well.
Dont tell me, its a fair fight.
Because of game mechanics and server, the battle was ruined for many many people.
300 is only a fraction of our fleet, we had half that in dreads alone... if we could have gotten our entire fleet in and loaded it would have been much better for us.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:03:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:55:16
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
Also, at about 3 bil to buy and fit a dread, losing 25 of them is 75bil, as much as the cost of a titan.
I can say just LOl. You underestimate coalition industry capability.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
relentless2
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:03:00 -
[426]
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:03:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
CCP...this was awful performance, really bad, half our fleet could not get near the system...but we still killed the POS
Well a lot of them were probably busy trying to keep u out on their mains lol
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Thodoros
Minmatar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:03:00 -
[428]
Well i am stuck in space trying to jump a stargate for the last 2 hours and all i have manage was 3 jumps. Yes 3 jumps. Thank you CCP for destroying my whole evening.
I am happy at least we destroyed the POS with the titan and lets hope Orange Species will go down as well. ^^
Lets hope we CCP will short themselves out cause the game is not fun anymore.
Instead of voice chat and pretty graphics i prefer to be able to play my favorite game.
Death to BoB and all their pets.
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N'irrti
Amarr
Katsu Corporation
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:04:00 -
[429]
can someone confirm i died in d-3 ?
can't logg in since ~30 min
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:04:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Troubadour
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best.
Don't you take my corp name in vain!
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Lasakywa
Caldari
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:05:00 -
[431]
Originally by: N'irrti
can someone confirm i died in d-3 ?
can't logg in since ~30 min
You log off
Log in
Character Selection
If your wallet is bigger, you are dead :)
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:05:00 -
[432]
GF!
I believe I was the first dread to shoot the POS, and I was definitely the first to die
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:06:00 -
[433]
Originally by: ForceAttuned Krogoth
300 is only a fraction of our fleet, we had half that in dreads alone... if we could have gotten our entire fleet in and loaded it would have been much better for us.
the fraction used to hold up SirXerxes while the rest of your armys form up in preperation for the real battle!
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:06:00 -
[434]
Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Stage 34665.
Defend your castle.
*drums sound*
*archer + mage spam*
instant convert!
WINNN!!!!
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/castle.html
Oh nice, eBaum stole the castle game too? I look forward to the day that punk burns.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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relentless2
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:07:00 -
[435]
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dirtystockbird
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:07:00 -
[436]
Edited by: dirtystockbird on 29/03/2007 22:04:45
Originally by: ForceAttuned Krogoth
Originally by: Orin Fatch
700 people max in the system is just stupid..
So the hunders of people in frigs flying around causing lag. just doing nothing. These people can stop the attackers, or defenders from gaining the upper hand.
In other words.
(as an example of how stupid limiting is)
BoB had 400 in system
Coalition could only get max of 300
On top of that, BoB forces had already loaded the system grid.
Coalition, having to load the grid, keep dropping, and disconnecting.
So the people who lost their POS, who can fight (with lag) but at leats play complain and say, we ost out POS. fine.
But the people who couldn't load in the first place. or because of lagg disconnection. get jumped in when they are all alone. get killed. and their petition will be rejected as well.
Dont tell me, its a fair fight.
Because of game mechanics and server, the battle was ruined for many many people.
300 is only a fraction of our fleet, we had half that in dreads alone... if we could have gotten our entire fleet in and loaded it would have been much better for us.
If Bob could have locked your dreads in time without sitting on the locking locking locking screen forever all of the coalition dreads would have surely died. The coalition had to lock only 1 target, so once it aquired the lock and started firing it was end game. Bob had to lock, wait, fire, wait, watch target die, lock another target, wait, try to fire again, wait etc.
Problems were on BOTH sides. There were also a lot more BOB in the system next door that could not jump into F-T. There is no getting around that there is a serious problem with game limitations atm. Eve servers cannot keep up with current warfare tactics.
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Mimiru
Gallente
BIG Advanced Assault
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:07:00 -
[437]
I was one of the first in.
saw a ton of dreads locked me and hit warp, made it out. lagged at ss and wasn't able to move for a good 45 mins, logged.
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:08:00 -
[438]
The best is all the dreads for an empty POS :D
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:08:00 -
[439]
25 dreads..hmm, I dont think it was anywhere near that was lost.
Even if it was, that is replaced with mods for about 50bil...I am not sure where you are buying your Titans, but pls link me the discount store where they sell them at that price
The biggest loser in this battle was CCP and its attempts to bring us fleet battles. I hope they rethink what they have done with gang code and jump ins, the rediculous lag on jump in, the fact some people are still loading a system right now, that they were podded in.
Salute to all those that brought their ships, and lost them under the crazy lag 07
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THEDON1
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:08:00 -
[440]
Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49
how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ?
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Toppar Wear
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:08:00 -
[441]
Edited by: Toppar Wear on 29/03/2007 22:05:10
Originally by: Thodoros
Lets hope we CCP will short themselves out cause the game is not fun anymore.
Instead of voice chat and pretty graphics i prefer to be able to play my favorite game.
.
Yeah, stop making the grafic better.. People will just turn if off anyways.. It just creates more lag.. lol ... And using ccp voice coms, that another good laughf..
"Please wait 1 min and 34 sec. to talk"..
Anyways GF to all parts, it was fun even though i never got closer then w-k... I simply couldn¦t jump, it also took 1-2 hours just for 2 jumps...
Mission acompliced, BOB Cap Pos down and all that.. But yes it was a heavy price, but i believe it paid off
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Ty'derian
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:10:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:55:16
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
Also, at about 3 bil to buy and fit a dread, losing 25 of them is 75bil, as much as the cost of a titan.
lol... you realy trie to see an little win in that what you done? sorry.. my friend : ) you have total lost : )
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:10:00 -
[443]
Originally by: THEDON1
Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49
how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ?
Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point.
I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station.
/sigh at CCP
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:11:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: THEDON1
Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49
how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ?
Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point.
I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station.
/sigh at CCP
To get a lot of kills?
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Hast
Refused.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:11:00 -
[445]
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: THEDON1
Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49
how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ?
Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point.
I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station.
/sigh at CCP
because they can mobilize a fleet of that size?
If you had a POS with a capital build array, didnt matter if it had a cap building in there, wouldnt you do the same?
I know I would
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Lasakywa
Caldari
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:11:00 -
[446]
It seems that a second titan (not the baby titan) has been destroyed.
Can someone confirm that ?
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Serapis Aote
Minmatar
TBC
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:12:00 -
[447]
Originally by: dirtystockbird
If Bob could have locked your dreads in time without sitting on the locking locking locking screen forever all of the coalition dreads would have surely died. The coalition had to lock only 1 target, so once it aquired the lock and started firing it was end game. Bob had to lock, wait, fire, wait, watch target die, lock another target, wait, try to fire again, wait etc.
WTS bugged dread that only locks 1 target at a time...any buyers.
I call BS on BOB only locking 1 dread at a time, waiting for that dread to die before trying to lock another.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:12:00 -
[448]
If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight.
If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks.
I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK.
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KeyuserII
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:13:00 -
[449]
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dirtystockbird
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:13:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Serapis Aote
Originally by: dirtystockbird
If Bob could have locked your dreads in time without sitting on the locking locking locking screen forever all of the coalition dreads would have surely died. The coalition had to lock only 1 target, so once it aquired the lock and started firing it was end game. Bob had to lock, wait, fire, wait, watch target die, lock another target, wait, try to fire again, wait etc.
WTS bugged dread that only locks 1 target at a time...any buyers.
I call BS on BOB only locking 1 dread at a time, waiting for that dread to die before trying to lock another.
You still have to wait for the modules to activate which is what I was trying to say, but yes, that was not very clear. Point still remains though, and you know the point is valid.
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:14:00 -
[451]
Edited by: Fuujin on 29/03/2007 22:10:18
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight.
If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks.
I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK.
I think we already established isk isn't the victory point in this fight.
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Haulerinn
Searing Arrows
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:14:00 -
[452]
Think of what 1300 people could have npced for instead of wasting there evening sitting stuck jumping in.
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Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:14:00 -
[453]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight.
If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks.
I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK.
We're not BOB, we dont fit faction on our dreads, were told not to. Max is 300 mill per ship Total, of what survived, may get 100 mill per dread worth of stuff.
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Jinnigan
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:14:00 -
[454]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight.
If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks.
I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK.
You'd think that someone from LV would understand the intangible benefits of a capital shipyard loss.
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Adirawin
Gallente
The Return
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:15:00 -
[455]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight.
If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks.
I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK.
You're using "ifs" then saying it's "clear"?
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:15:00 -
[456]
Originally by: Haulerinn
Think of what 1300 people could have npced for instead of wasting there evening sitting stuck jumping in.
qft
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:15:00 -
[457]
Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: THEDON1
Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49
how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ?
Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point.
I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station.
/sigh at CCP
To get a lot of kills?
Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads.
That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it.
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Draxxxion
GIT-R-DUN
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:16:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: THEDON1
Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49
how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ?
Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point.
I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station.
/sigh at CCP
To get a ton of kills while you guys shoot a POS,a pos I might add that only the coalition believes anything was in....since your propoganda guys started saying it had a Titan in it...
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:16:00 -
[459]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK.
This battle was not about ISK, whats your point?
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Ruato
Gallente
Gurgleblaster Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:16:00 -
[460]
So.. Summary basically is: BoB+allies couldnt defend their installation, even if they brought in everything they got.
My point is not to smack BoB+allies, point is that now its proven BoB can be defeated (its gonna cost, but i doubt that came as a surprise to anyone)
If i was in BoB leadership, i would find that kinda worrying.
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:16:00 -
[461]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight.
If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks.
I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK.
It's not the ISK that matters at this point, it's the tactical advantage a third titan brings you, a last and deadly doomsday making the three DD barely untankable for a BS.
Jump bridge, gang bonuses and doomsday : totaly priceless my friend, priceless.
/omee
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Belial02
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:17:00 -
[462]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
The biggest loser in this battle was CCP and its attempts to bring us fleet battles. I hope they rethink what they have done with gang code and jump ins, the rediculous lag on jump in, the fact some people are still loading a system right now, that they were podded in.
Agreed. Either make fleet battles possible or change the system so that its not necessary. Its an emergency.
Originally by: Omeega
diplomacy is f1, f2, f3, really...
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KeyuserII
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:17:00 -
[463]
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Enthes goldhart
Gallente
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:18:00 -
[464]
black screen of death ftl.....
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SigmaPi
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:18:00 -
[465]
I've been stuck with a black jump screen for over 2 hours now...
CCP needs to fix something, 'cause I just wasted prety much 3 days of my life waiting for an epic fight that i never got to enjoy.
/Siggy
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:18:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Frygok
Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads.
That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it.
lol, but then surely it would be BoB's moral victory too. So no one would have won.
But really you're saying it doesn't matter if there was a Titan there or not, which is just plainly silly to anyone with sense.
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:18:00 -
[467]
I logged off now, at least I'm alive, but I didn't saw a single bob O____o. I even lagged out at what was supposed a camped stargate but I supposed that my malediction wasnt called primary so I escaped. I can't play I will generate less lag offline.
and in other news :
Quote:
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*friendly pat on the shoulder*
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 -
[468]
Originally by: Kozak
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
If we should compare ISK lost, you also need to consider the fitting and who gets the loot after the fight.
If 50 capital ships goes down, and they each have 500mil of equippment, and 50% of that equipment survived, thats 25B lost for one side and 12.5B gained for the side that looted the wrecks.
I think its pretty clear by now who lost most ISK.
We're not BOB, we dont fit faction on our dreads, were told not to. Max is 300 mill per ship Total, of what survived, may get 100 mill per dread worth of stuff.
Three capital guns/launchers (four for a Nag): 150m (200m)
Siege module: 50m
Capital repper x2 (one booster on a Phoenix): 100m (50m)
That's 300m before you add on hardeners, cap chargers, rigs, etc., etc.
If you can fit a dread (especially a Nag, which I believe is what most of -A- flies) competently for just 300m, you win Eve.
--P
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Bon Ali
Bon's Ecological Recycling
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 -
[469]
For all of those asking how the coalition knew what was in the array, how about the big ******* timer, you morons?
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Khensu Blade
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: THEDON1
Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49
how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ?
Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point.
I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station.
/sigh at CCP
To get a lot of kills?
Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads.
That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it.
Even if they unveiled a new titan or two in the next few weeks?
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 -
[471]
Actually, no hamsters died? Are you KIDDING me?
If that's the case, well, lag, shame about it, but I'd have bet quite a few rounds of beer that nodes would be harmed in the production of this epic battle.
Whoever's responsible for THAT (Sharkbait? Valar?): Way to go!
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Breisies
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 -
[472]
we will win eve
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Mistah FAB
Ghost Ride The Whip
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:20:00 -
[473]
I would post a photoshop of the Iraqi Information Minister saying "there was no titan here" but that is so old that I'm not going to.
Oh yeah, ghost ride the titan~
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Kriwich
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 -
[474]
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Draxxxion
To get a ton of kills while you guys shoot a POS,a pos I might add that only the coalition believes anything was in....since your propoganda guys started saying it had a Titan in it...
Can I say that we picked up the Titan BPO that dropped from the POS or would that be propoganda.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 -
[476]
Red: "You lost more isk than we did!"
Blue: "No you did!"
Pathetic.
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Eutectic
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 -
[477]
Well as someone who was there and lost a Moros, full insurance btw, all I can say is it was worth it to me and my mates. I had fun and in end Eve is a game to me and having fun is the point.
Lag was fairly bad, but not unbearable. Past assaults I've been on were much much worse. Cap ship yard was downed as well, so mission accomplished. Dread will be repaced shortly so in end it was well worth the loss for what was accomplished.
From my point of view I got what I wanted from the battle. My foes have thier own entitled opinions as to results as well. For those not involved in this yet posting adnauseum I posit this: "Why don't you pick a side and shoot someone?" Trust me it's fun win, lose, or draw.
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laotse
shangdi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:21:00 -
[478]
is this the begining of the end ?? for bob ccp stay out of this
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dirtystockbird
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:22:00 -
[479]
Yeah, I think the real overall problem here is that nobody on either side had any fun. And thats exactly what people are supposed to be doing in this game.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:23:00 -
[480]
Edited by: Frygok on 29/03/2007 22:19:34
Originally by: Zhaine
Originally by: Frygok
Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads.
That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it.
lol, but then surely it would be BoB's moral victory too. So no one would have won.
But really you're saying it doesn't matter if there was a Titan there or not, which is just plainly silly to anyone with sense.
I am not saying that it doesn't matter. I am saying that for the Coalition it is irrelevant whether there were a titan or not. Because for them, there -was- a titan in the shipyard, and for them it will just be another BOB spin if they claim there were no titan in there. It's about perception.
Yes, BOB will certainly also have a morale victory, no doubt. But they won't convince the Coalition about their morale victory, thus tearing into BOB'S home and destroying a shipyard with a titan in it(whether or not it was actually there) will encourage to more attacks and to the fact that BOB can be beaten.
Psychological warfare ftw.
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Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:23:00 -
[481]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Christ its amazing how Axe and Corm have so quickly turned into BoB-Fanbois.
It's warm and snuggly under BoB's skirts.
Anyway...sounds like it was an epic lagfest and a crapload of hardware got destroyed on both sides. Let the silly posturing, chest-beating and spinning from both sides begin.
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Hast
Refused.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:23:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Ruato
So.. Summary basically is: BoB+allies couldnt defend their installation, even if they brought in everything they got.
My point is not to smack BoB+allies, point is that now its proven BoB can be defeated (its gonna cost, but i doubt that came as a surprise to anyone)
If i was in BoB leadership, i would find that kinda worrying.
What you fail to realize is that with the numbers involved its impossible to defend a static object like a POS. Before you can chew through their dreadfleet they can kill the POS and the cap shipyard.
The point is killing enough to making them think twice about doing it again. Also if the POS proves to be empty then what. You wasted alot of capital ships killing something everyone more or less knew was going down anyways. Blitzing POSes is nigh impossible to counter unless you somehow mange to stop them from getting there in the first place.
And no, I dont believe its a flawed mechanic, since we have almost reached the point where dreads can instapop POSes. The question is if CCP thought it would go that far.
And tbh, today 60bn isk isnt all that much, whats worse is the logistical pita of building it. ISK are more or less meaningless in this stage of the game.
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:24:00 -
[483]
Originally by: Frygok
Edited by: Frygok on 29/03/2007 22:19:34
Originally by: Zhaine
Originally by: Frygok
Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads.
That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it.
lol, but then surely it would be BoB's moral victory too. So no one would have won.
But really you're saying it doesn't matter if there was a Titan there or not, which is just plainly silly to anyone with sense.
I am not saying that it doesn't matter. I am saying that for the Coalition it is irrelevant whether there were a titan or not. Because for them, there -was- a titan in the shipyard, and for them it will just be another BOB spin if they claim there were no titan in there. It's about perception.
Yes, BOB will certainly also have a morale victory, no doubt. But they won't convince the Coalition about their morale victory, thus tearing into BOB'S home and destroying a shipyard with a titan in it(whether or not it was actually there) will encourage to more attacks and to the fact that BOB can be beaten.
Psychological warfare ftw.
unless they show a levitan next week
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:25:00 -
[484]
Originally by: dirtystockbird
Yeah, I think the real overall problem here is that nobody on either side had any fun. And thats exactly what people are supposed to be doing in this game.
err.. you sure about that?
Originally by: Eutectic, IRON dread pilot
Well as someone who was there and lost a Moros, full insurance btw, all I can say is it was worth it to me and my mates. I had fun and in end Eve is a game to me and having fun is the point.
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batloard
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:25:00 -
[485]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Draxxxion
To get a ton of kills while you guys shoot a POS,a pos I might add that only the coalition believes anything was in....since your propoganda guys started saying it had a Titan in it...
Can I say that we picked up the Titan BPO that dropped from the POS or would that be propoganda.
xplain
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:25:00 -
[486]
Originally by: Hast
And tbh, today 60bn isk isnt all that much, whats worse is the logistical pita of building it. ISK are more or less meaningless in this stage of the game.
Good night my love.
/omee
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:25:00 -
[487]
Edited by: Frygok on 29/03/2007 22:22:36
Originally by: Khensu Blade
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: THEDON1
Edited by: THEDON1 on 29/03/2007 22:04:49
how do u know its the pos with a titan and not a fake cap pos ?
Why would BOB and allies mobilize such massive defending fleets, if it was just a decoy? Using the whole what if is beside the point.
I would have said good fight tonight, but I dunno if my ship is still trying to warp into a system(it has been for several hours), or I am podded back to a station.
/sigh at CCP
To get a lot of kills?
Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads.
That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it.
Even if they unveiled a new titan or two in the next few weeks?
That would probably just be explained by Devhelp (just kidding btw!)
And honestly, I don't know enough about BOB'S industrial backbone to know whether or not they have 2 Titans in production or 1, so to know if a possible new titan within the next few weeks were the one the coalition did (not) shoot down, or it a completely different one, is difficult.
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:26:00 -
[488]
If AAA wasn't suppose to faction fit they didn't listen . . . Capital kills is over 43 and still climbing lol.
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Enthes goldhart
Gallente
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:26:00 -
[489]
50 hostile dreads down 0 lost though the post was destroyed
and i missed the whole ******* thing due to lag..... please sort this out CCP I dont care if u guys coem in the system and stop people shooting till evryoen is loaded and then say go if it means we lag less and its a fair fight....
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:26:00 -
[490]
F-T local:
Viceroy > i just spent 1 hour at the login screen
Viceroy > i'm going to shoot whoever i see tbh. bob or non-bob
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CHAOS100
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:27:00 -
[491]
Baby titan dead, tears are shed... mission accomplished end of story.
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:28:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Xeliya
If AAA wasn't suppose to faction fit they didn't listen . . . Capital kills is over 43 and still climbing lol.
your eyes didn't manage to read ET's post a bit higher?
/omee
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:29:00 -
[493]
Did anyone logoffski after the pos was shot down? Or did all parties stand and decided to fight to the death and put an end to this right there, like real men ?
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:29:00 -
[494]
Originally by: Frygok
Edited by: Frygok on 29/03/2007 22:19:34
Originally by: Zhaine
Originally by: Frygok
Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads.
That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it.
lol, but then surely it would be BoB's moral victory too. So no one would have won.
But really you're saying it doesn't matter if there was a Titan there or not, which is just plainly silly to anyone with sense.
I am not saying that it doesn't matter. I am saying that for the Coalition it is irrelevant whether there were a titan or not. Because for them, there -was- a titan in the shipyard
So coalition leaders could just as well have picked a random POS with a cap array in Delve and pwned it, and to the coaltion that's just the same as killing one with a titan in. Perhaps that's what happened :D :D
I'm only joking btw not smacking you. This whole thing's got rather amusing by now :p
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:32:00 -
[495]
Originally by: Zhaine
Originally by: Frygok
Edited by: Frygok on 29/03/2007 22:19:34
Originally by: Zhaine
Originally by: Frygok
Yes, but if the Coalition is certain that they have killed of a titan, they won't believe a word BOB says about it being a decoy(and frankly, neither would I), so for them it will still be a morale victory. And morale victories are far more important than a number of dreads.
That's why the speculation about the titan, in essence is irrelevant. No one from the coalition will believe if BOB stated that there were no titan in it.
lol, but then surely it would be BoB's moral victory too. So no one would have won.
But really you're saying it doesn't matter if there was a Titan there or not, which is just plainly silly to anyone with sense.
I am not saying that it doesn't matter. I am saying that for the Coalition it is irrelevant whether there were a titan or not. Because for them, there -was- a titan in the shipyard
So coalition leaders could just as well have picked a random POS with a cap array in Delve and pwned it, and to the coaltion that's just the same as killing one with a titan in. Perhaps that's what happened :D :D
I'm only joking btw not smacking you. This whole thing's got rather amusing by now :p
Hey, it's np :) I bet it was a great fight, despite the lag. I wish I could have been present, but was stuck some jumps away.
And well, I suppose that in theory they could have picked a random POS. One should not neglect the fact that they hit BOB's home, and hit it hard. They took heavy losses while doing it, but it sure has fired things up. If only the server could match the warcry of the players, it would be have been an awesome fight.
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:33:00 -
[496]
Im surprised no one has said it yet...
Proof or stfu!
i dont really care...to me a Baby titan died today.
LETS SEE YOU NERF THIS ONE Kreul!!!...
...if that is your REAL name o_O
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Torshin
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:34:00 -
[497]
BOB killboard is starting to show kills, including some interesting fitted -A- dreads.
Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:35:00 -
[498]
Edited by: Seleene on 29/03/2007 22:31:20
Confirmed wrecks at the site of the battle where the POS was. More down in system.
Amarr Dreadnought Wreck
Tyrrax Thorrk
Duke Rottingham
Burzhuj
Olath Sargtlin
White Sorceress
GodLight
Badshah
Caldari Dreadnought Wreck
Jim Lovell
d0omer
Carlow
Silmas
Archangel Deck
crusader77
Minmatar Dreadnought Wreck
Voltaire Leriel
Anthoni MIner
ArchE
Solene Solux
SokolD
TheSizzler
Awalance
Nolon3
Great Mogul
Fred0
Terrorisma
Gallente Carrier Wreck
Pervis deux
Shark
0mega
Bjarg
Gallente Dreadnought Wreck
Sheron Cristal
Kozak
XaHyPuK
Koldyr
Eutectic
Alexey
MEP3OCTb
Curtain
Bestia Negra
Barry Mcintosh
Zeppeline
Buddrow
Legionar
Ottar
Ramius
Lunas Feelgood
Vinzenz
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:35:00 -
[499]
Originally by: Torshin
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Did anyone logoffski after the pos was shot down? Or did all parties stand and decided to fight to the death and put an end to this right there, like real men ?
I believe that all the ships around the POS were bubbled up so they were unable to log
I know for a fact that you are still saved from destruction if you log while bubbled... CCP hasn't managed to fixed it yet. I still lose kills in Catch that way.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:35:00 -
[500]
Originally by: dirtystockbird
Yay for you Nez, you pick out 1 guy in here that DID load and had fun from the several hundred that are complaining that they DIDN'T load, and that staring at a screen saying "jumping" was not the fun they were looking for.
Would you like to me quote all of those people or do you think you can read for yourself?
Well I don't know about your regular pilot in the fleets, but I'm pretty sure the leadership fully realised what kind of server conditions were going to be present in the assault.
Even the most optimistic person, would concede that this battle was always going to be a lagfest.
So what have you got left?
The fun obtained from knowing that your fleet-mates achieved their objective. I think its safe to say the coalition achieved their objective.
The real question is, what was BoB's objective?
To defend the capital ship yard, or inflict as much damage as possible?
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Enthes goldhart
Gallente
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:36:00 -
[501]
Team speak 40 wrecks at the pos and sevral more aroudn teh system it might be a bit less than 50 but its a nice number.
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:36:00 -
[502]
Originally by: Zhaine
Originally by: Haulerinn
Think of what 1300 people could have npced for instead of wasting there evening sitting stuck jumping in.
QFT
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The Knight
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:37:00 -
[503]
Edited by: The Knight on 29/03/2007 22:33:35
Originally by: Mistah FAB
I would post a photoshop of the Iraqi Information Minister saying "there was no titan here" but that is so old that I'm not going to.
Oh yeah, ghost ride the titan~
No need for a photoshop, I grabbed a screen shot of the real thing!
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0703/Iraqi_defence_minister.jpg
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Torshin
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:37:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Originally by: Torshin
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Did anyone logoffski after the pos was shot down? Or did all parties stand and decided to fight to the death and put an end to this right there, like real men ?
I believe that all the ships around the POS were bubbled up so they were unable to log
I know for a fact that you are still saved from destruction if you log while bubbled... CCP hasn't managed to fixed it yet. I still lose kills in Catch that way.
I believe that is if you log off and quickly log onto a alt that is on the same account
Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:37:00 -
[505]
Originally by: Bon Ali
For all of those asking how the coalition knew what was in the array, how about the big ******* timer, you morons?
Well, a Titan and MS take the same amount of time to build. So if anything was being built, it could have been a MS as a decoy.
Nontheless, you think this is going to bring morale down in BoB? You think that this spells certain Doom to BoB and allies?
You guys don't know much about boxing do you . Roll with the punches and let the opponent wear himself out, then come in with gloves blazing.
Oh, and heard so far that 60 coalition cap ships were lost....thats quite a price to pay for a supposed baby titan.
And if anyone gets reimbursed for their ship losses, then CCP needs to pony up for LV's as well as anyone else who lost cap ships because of lag.
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DirtyHarry
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:38:00 -
[506]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 29/03/2007 22:31:20
Confirmed wrecks at the site of the battle where the POS was. More down in system.
Amarr Dreadnought Wreck
Tyrrax Thorrk
Duke Rottingham
Burzhuj
Olath Sargtlin
White Sorceress
GodLight
Badshah
Caldari Dreadnought Wreck
Jim Lovell
d0omer
Carlow
Silmas
Archangel Deck
crusader77
Minmatar Dreadnought Wreck
Voltaire Leriel
Anthoni MIner
ArchE
Solene Solux
SokolD
TheSizzler
Awalance
Nolon3
Great Mogul
Fred0
Terrorisma
Gallente Carrier Wreck
Pervis deux
Shark
0mega
Bjarg
Gallente Dreadnought Wreck
Sheron Cristal
Kozak
XaHyPuK
Koldyr
Eutectic
Alexey
MEP3OCTb
Curtain
Bestia Negra
Barry Mcintosh
Zeppeline
Buddrow
Legionar
Ottar
Ramius
Lunas Feelgood
Vinzenz
lunas lost a dread? couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.
So any comments on MS/Titan/babyTitan loses? too much hearsay in this thread, so shed some light seleene
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Adoro
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:40:00 -
[507]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 29/03/2007 22:31:20
Confirmed wrecks at the site of the battle where the POS was. More down in system.
Amarr Dreadnought Wreck
Tyrrax Thorrk
Duke Rottingham
Burzhuj
Olath Sargtlin
White Sorceress
GodLight
Badshah
Caldari Dreadnought Wreck
Jim Lovell
d0omer
Carlow
Silmas
Archangel Deck
crusader77
Minmatar Dreadnought Wreck
Voltaire Leriel
Anthoni MIner
ArchE
Solene Solux
SokolD
TheSizzler
Awalance
Nolon3
Great Mogul
Fred0
Terrorisma
Gallente Carrier Wreck
Pervis deux
Shark
0mega
Bjarg
Gallente Dreadnought Wreck
Sheron Cristal
Kozak
XaHyPuK
Koldyr
Eutectic
Alexey
MEP3OCTb
Curtain
Bestia Negra
Barry Mcintosh
Zeppeline
Buddrow
Legionar
Ottar
Ramius
Lunas Feelgood
Vinzenz
lunas lost a dread? couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.
So any comments on MS/Titan/babyTitan loses? too much hearsay in this thread, so shed some light seleene
Afaik only babytitan lost, no ms or other titan lost
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You're either one of us or a Minmatar! What about Amarr? Bah, ha ha ha ha, Amarr, lol...
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Armois Delgato
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:40:00 -
[508]
BoB's objective? I'd imagine to inflict as much pain as possible. Everyone knows that there is no way to take out a 100+ strong dread fleet before those dreads can destroy whatever they are shooting at...
But, even if 100+ dreads cant be taken out before that, many dozens can be killed during and after the POS's last moments.
I think the Greater Southwestern Co-Prosperity Sphere achieved what was needed this day.
Pyrric Victory if victory at all for the coalition. A few more like this one and it will be their end.
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:41:00 -
[509]
Cheers for the post Seelene (sorry if that's wrong I get mixed up with all the "e"s)
From now on can we talk about 40+ dread deaths, as that's now confirmed.
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Cookie Snatcher
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:41:00 -
[510]
good joob BoB, can i come there to salvage? :D
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:42:00 -
[511]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
So any comments on MS/Titan/babyTitan loses? too much hearsay in this thread, so shed some light seleene
Not my place to say. TBH, no matter what anyone says, people will believe as they wish.
I was just happy to be present for the biggest battle in EVE history. I actually saw things move for the first 30 mins!
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Jinnigan
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:42:00 -
[512]
Originally by: Armois Delgato
BoB's objective? I'd imagine to inflict as much pain as possible. Everyone knows that there is no way to take out a 100+ strong dread fleet before those dreads can destroy whatever they are shooting at...
But, even if 100+ dreads cant be taken out before that, many dozens can be killed during and after the POS's last moments.
I think the Greater Southwestern Co-Prosperity Sphere achieved what was needed this day.
Pyrric Victory if victory at all for the coalition. A few more like this one and it will be their end.
GOONSWARM TO COLLAPSE IN 5 DAYS
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:42:00 -
[513]
If I've learned anything, its that ISK doesn't matter too much to the coalition. Give it time, and those dreads will be back in your systems. With a few more.
As for a fetus kill? I'm skeptical but hopeful.
"EVE is the worst MMORPG. Except for all the other ones."
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:42:00 -
[514]
Why would BoB defend agaisnt such a fleet unless...
1) They actully had a titan...
2) They knew they were gonig to win...
Pick one.
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:43:00 -
[515]
I wish bob would come on here and post that they were building shuttle in there. 
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:43:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: DirtyHarry
So any comments on MS/Titan/babyTitan loses? too much hearsay in this thread, so shed some light seleene
Not my place to say. TBH, no matter what anyone says, people will believe as they wish.
I was just happy to be present for the biggest battle in EVE history. I actually saw things move for the first 30 mins!
You can comment on any of the rumoured "in space" losees. As in actual ships what died. BoB friendly cap losses were. . .?
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:43:00 -
[517]
how does the coalition know there was even a titan building there?
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:44:00 -
[518]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Draxxxion
To get a ton of kills while you guys shoot a POS,a pos I might add that only the coalition believes anything was in....since your propoganda guys started saying it had a Titan in it...
Can I say that we picked up the Titan BPO that dropped from the POS or would that be propoganda.
You could get wrecks to display loot?
HAX!
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:44:00 -
[519]
Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:55:16
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
Also, at about 3 bil to buy and fit a dread, losing 25 of them is 75bil, as much as the cost of a titan.
You have a very high opinion on the bob+friends, especially when they're into their biggest fight after 3+ months of fighting constantly.
As for the coalition, I don't know much about the rest, but looking at the corpwallet, my 50-man corporation can replace solo by purchasing dreads off the insane market prices in the amount of:
2.5b a dread
300m t2 fittings
450m insurance
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3.750m in total
- 1.75 insurance
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2bil each
Right about now, cashflow says we can replace TOMMOROW about 50 dreads of that type.
Alliance-production dreads/fittings pretty much cuts cost down to 25+% (because insurance stays the same) and that amounts to 60+ of those babies.
Many people were preparing for this war, and at least we were isk-prepared.
And as for the picture in the grand scale, we prolly lost 1 or two dreads tonight (because we fielded like 3).
Now compare this to the rest of the people in all those alliances all people call "carebears" (and they are mostly right) and you will understand what 20-30 dreads means down for em.
On average, each corporation lost like 1 dread...
Now consider my corp uber-rich, and say the rest are like 50% as rich as we are.
That means they can replace tommorow 30 dreads each and they lost on average 1.
Sure, that is a reserve and such losses cannot be sustained on a daily basis, but neither can bob put a titan in production every single day.
Now I will not even start to speculate what RA and rest can replace... (sweet jesus lay off my plex will ya? :P)
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:44:00 -
[520]
Originally by: Kaeten
Why would BoB defend agaisnt such a fleet unless...
1) They actully had a titan...
2) They knew they were gonig to win...
Pick one.
To kill a huge number of cap ships, weakening their enemies for assaults over the next few days prehaps...
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CRUSH3R
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:44:00 -
[521]
If our support fleet managed to reach ft-e it was a very different fight.... I wish one day we will be able do play large-scale fleet battles but today it's nearly impossible :\
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Torshin
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:45:00 -
[522]
Originally by: Kaeten
Why would BoB defend agaisnt such a fleet unless...
1) They actully had a titan...
2) They knew they were gonig to win...
Pick one.
if they didn't lose a titan and only lost a pos i think killing 40+ dreads is a win
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Sasha Petrov
Caldari
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:45:00 -
[523]
I'm glad i'm not the eve petition guy today, he'll be working overtime.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:45:00 -
[524]
Originally by: Troubadour
how does the coalition know there was even a titan building there?
Same as how everybody knows everything... Spies...
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:45:00 -
[525]
update: someone linked me a picture: Cap Ship display if there ever was one
Damn.....thats a lot of cap ships.
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Torshin
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:47:00 -
[526]
Originally by: CRUSH3R
If our support fleet managed to reach ft-e it was a very different fight.... I wish one day we will be able do play large-scale fleet battles but today it's nearly impossible :\
thats your problem they went to the wrong system, its f-te
Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:47:00 -
[527]
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Kaeten
Why would BoB defend agaisnt such a fleet unless...
1) They actully had a titan...
2) They knew they were gonig to win...
Pick one.
To kill a huge number of cap ships, weakening their enemies for assaults over the next few days prehaps...
Well, so far they haven't done much to attack those alliances they laughed at, like D2, Goons... Some of the comments that have been made about said alliances makes one wonder why BOB is only defending, not attacking?
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dirtystockbird
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:48:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: dirtystockbird
Yay for you Nez, you pick out 1 guy in here that DID load and had fun from the several hundred that are complaining that they DIDN'T load, and that staring at a screen saying "jumping" was not the fun they were looking for.
Would you like to me quote all of those people or do you think you can read for yourself?
Well I don't know about your regular pilot in the fleets, but I'm pretty sure the leadership fully realised what kind of server conditions were going to be present in the assault.
Even the most optimistic person, would concede that this battle was always going to be a lagfest.
So what have you got left?
The fun obtained from knowing that your fleet-mates achieved their objective. I think its safe to say the coalition achieved their objective.
The real question is, what was BoB's objective?
To defend the capital ship yard, or inflict as much damage as possible?
How do you go from talking about that many people were complaining about the fact that this engagment was not fun, was not what people would want out of their eve gameplay, to talking about objectives between alliances?? Do you have ADD or something? Stay on point ffs.
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:49:00 -
[529]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 29/03/2007 22:31:20
Confirmed wrecks at the site of the battle where the POS was. More down in system.
Amarr Dreadnought Wreck
Tyrrax Thorrk
Duke Rottingham
Burzhuj
Olath Sargtlin
White Sorceress
GodLight
Badshah
Caldari Dreadnought Wreck
Jim Lovell
d0omer
Carlow
Silmas
Archangel Deck
crusader77
Minmatar Dreadnought Wreck
Voltaire Leriel
Anthoni MIner
ArchE
Solene Solux
SokolD
TheSizzler
Awalance
Nolon3
Great Mogul
Fred0
Terrorisma
Gallente Carrier Wreck
Pervis deux
Shark
0mega
Bjarg
Gallente Dreadnought Wreck
Sheron Cristal
Kozak
XaHyPuK
Koldyr
Eutectic
Alexey
MEP3OCTb
Curtain
Bestia Negra
Barry Mcintosh
Zeppeline
Buddrow
Legionar
Ottar
Ramius
Lunas Feelgood
Vinzenz
To my knowledge lunas survived the battle and logged off in a mid-sol after trying to jump to a station for 30 mins.
At least that's what he was saying while trying to get the cyno out untill he said "ah **** that I logged".
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:49:00 -
[530]
Originally by: CRUSH3R
If our support fleet managed to reach ft-e it was a very different fight.... I wish one day we will be able do play large-scale fleet battles but today it's nearly impossible :\
Well neither LV support nor the AXE/PANIC/CRII/XS/Fountain gang reached F-T or whatever the sys is.
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laotse
shangdi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:49:00 -
[531]
seleene didnt you belong to a neutral mercenary group
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Womble God
Gallente
Thw Womblers
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:50:00 -
[532]
Why are people sitting here posting that there is the potential there was no titan being built? Do you guys actually believe that or just saying it for arguments sake. Bob has admitted a titan was being built there, and notice no one in an actual top position in the BOB and Allies has denied it here. A titan was destroyed, but at the cost of over 50 dreads. The real argument should be over is 50 dreads worth more than a titan?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:50:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
On the subject of reimbursement. POSses never suffer from lag, therefore reimbursement due to lag is not relevant. Ships do suffer from lag. And thus reimbursement can be warranted.
Combat actions around the POS ARE affected by lag though, such as the support ships trying to login and boost the shields and armor of a POS.
The POS's actions are unaffected, but you're naive to think that a POS would be in the same situation if players had no lag at all.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:51:00 -
[534]
My only question is...
If its so easy to replace that many dreads, why didn't you risk them beforehand?
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Fuglife
Huff Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:52:00 -
[535]
So, one baby titan destroyed and another titan unveiled... welsh wizards (3rd best pvper in eve history) leviathan
Amazing
I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve |
Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:52:00 -
[536]
Originally by: Womble God
Why are people sitting here posting that there is the potential there was no titan being built? Do you guys actually believe that or just saying it for arguments sake. Bob has admitted a titan was being built there, and notice no one in an actual top position in the BOB and Allies has denied it here. A titan was destroyed, but at the cost of over 50 dreads. The real argument should be over is 50 dreads worth more than a titan?
That argument ended a few pages back.
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CRUSH3R
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:52:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Womble God
Why are people sitting here posting that there is the potential there was no titan being built? Do you guys actually believe that or just saying it for arguments sake. Bob has admitted a titan was being built there, and notice no one in an actual top position in the BOB and Allies has denied it here. A titan was destroyed, but at the cost of over 50 dreads. The real argument should be over is 50 dreads worth more than a titan?
the matter is not in the cost of losses, it was a nice challenge to both sides. We have only 1 order - kill the POS regardless any losses - and we did it.
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Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:52:00 -
[538]
Originally by: Troubadour
how does the coalition know there was even a titan building there?
They dont.
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Vardemis
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:53:00 -
[539]
Originally by: laotse
seleene didnt you belong to a neutral mercenary group
Well, being neutral as a merc would mean you are unemplyed, they are employed. I would find it rather bad business practise not to fight for their employer, don't you think?
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Agent2 Holtze
Amarr
Caldari Scouting and Intel Group
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:53:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Womble God
Why are people sitting here posting that there is the potential there was no titan being built? Do you guys actually believe that or just saying it for arguments sake. Bob has admitted a titan was being built there, and notice no one in an actual top position in the BOB and Allies has denied it here. A titan was destroyed, but at the cost of over 50 dreads. The real argument should be over is 50 dreads worth more than a titan?
Yes, it are worth it.
It's a huge morale booster for the coalition and a beating for the bob girlies.
And besides, the cash flow in the coalition is so big that they can resupply them self with dreads so fast that it's not really that important.
Shame the support didn't get in :(
Posting and you!
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:54:00 -
[541]
Originally by: Nez Perces
The real question is, what was BoB's objective?
To defend the capital ship yard, or inflict as much damage as possible?
I beleive Seleene posted in this thread that they were going to kill EVERY Coalition dread at the POS. Unless the Coalition only had 30 Dreads it sounds like they failed.
The numbers I have been given are 30 Dreads + 10 Carriers lost.
Assuming after insurance each ship is a loss of 500Mil, and has a generous 500Mil fitting, that is 40Bil in losses that can be immediately replaced from stockpiles and easily rebuilt over a short timespan.
RKK lost around 50Bil in uninsurable materials as well as a POS+Construction Yard. The loss is not replacable or insurable, it will take another 50Bil and months of logistics to RKK to get back to where tehy were today in regards to the construction.
A Titan on the battlefield can make a huge differance - can someone in BoB tell us what the average ISK destroyed figure for their Titans is over the last 8 weeks? The coalition have basically prevented another multiplication of whatever that figure is in losses over the course of time.
This fight is not about raw ISK values, it is about preventing BoB from gaining another MASSIVE long term battlefield advantage regardless of the cost to do so.
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Womble God
Gallente
Thw Womblers
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:54:00 -
[542]
Originally by: Fuujin
Originally by: Womble God
Why are people sitting here posting that there is the potential there was no titan being built? Do you guys actually believe that or just saying it for arguments sake. Bob has admitted a titan was being built there, and notice no one in an actual top position in the BOB and Allies has denied it here. A titan was destroyed, but at the cost of over 50 dreads. The real argument should be over is 50 dreads worth more than a titan?
That argument ended a few pages back.
I am still trying to get caught up, in the time it took me to post it I lost 3 pages of replies.
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Kinsy
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:54:00 -
[543]
It was a big shame a large portion of people simply couldnt get involved because they were lagged out on the way.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:55:00 -
[544]
Originally by: Zhaine
Originally by: CRUSH3R
If our support fleet managed to reach ft-e it was a very different fight.... I wish one day we will be able do play large-scale fleet battles but today it's nearly impossible :\
Well neither LV support nor the AXE/PANIC/CRII/XS/Fountain gang reached F-T or whatever the sys is.
I can confirm that, we had 100 people in the system next door, and the lag was so bad we could not even make new safespots to warp to. All in all, there where over 400 people in that system (some where hostiles though).
But if you tried to reach ft- instead of f-t, I can understand your frustration
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Toppar Wear
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:55:00 -
[545]
Originally by: Vardemis
Originally by: laotse
seleene didnt you belong to a neutral mercenary group
Well, being neutral as a merc would mean you are unemplyed, they are employed. I would find it rather bad business practise not to fight for their employer, don't you think?
So how much does it cost to get MC to fight in CAOD
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xh'duality
Caldari
Caldari Luftwaffe
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:55:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Buxaroo
update: someone linked me a picture: Cap Ship display if there ever was one
Damn.....thats a lot of cap ships.
Just to prove BOB did cause most of the lag purposly trying to safe theyre pos. But they cant break the will of a raging collition. Once again we see bob are using dirty tricks to save em sleft. Well this time they failed. Yes they might have killed alot of us cause we couldnt do anythign at all but we had the ballz to go in with what ever we had nomother what the outcome is going to be. about 800+ pilots who where not able to join the main fleet due lagg problem with in 8 jumps radious. GG
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:56:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Buxaroo
update: someone linked me a picture: Cap Ship display if there ever was one
Damn.....thats a lot of cap ships.
1. Thats cool.
2. I love your FPS! I can't wait for the day that the internet can't handle EVE lag and has to transfer some of it over to WoW.
We need combat reporters in this game. Internet spacewars are too cool not to take pictures of.
"EVE is the worst MMORPG. Except for all the other ones."
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WallStArb
CyberDyne R-D
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:56:00 -
[548]
Plenty of Dreads and Carriers in Aurohunen on the market... 2b for dreads and 1b for carriers. Keep up the good fights!
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Malachon Draco
On the subject of reimbursement. POSses never suffer from lag, therefore reimbursement due to lag is not relevant. Ships do suffer from lag. And thus reimbursement can be warranted.
Combat actions around the POS ARE affected by lag though, such as the support ships trying to login and boost the shields and armor of a POS.
The POS's actions are unaffected, but you're naive to think that a POS would be in the same situation if players had no lag at all.
In no lag, a POS goes from reinforced to death in minutes with that amount of dreads pounding it. You can't stop that amount of DPS.
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Light Darkness
Mercenaries of Andosia
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 -
[550]
Edited by: Light Darkness on 29/03/2007 22:53:30
Originally by: Dahin
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 29/03/2007 22:31:20
Confirmed wrecks at the site of the battle where the POS was. More down in system.
Amarr Dreadnought Wreck
Tyrrax Thorrk
Duke Rottingham
Burzhuj
Olath Sargtlin
White Sorceress
GodLight
Badshah
Caldari Dreadnought Wreck
Jim Lovell
d0omer
Carlow
Silmas
Archangel Deck
crusader77
Minmatar Dreadnought Wreck
Voltaire Leriel
Anthoni MIner
ArchE
Solene Solux
SokolD
TheSizzler
Awalance
Nolon3
Great Mogul
Fred0
Terrorisma
Gallente Carrier Wreck
Pervis deux
Shark
0mega
Bjarg
Gallente Dreadnought Wreck
Sheron Cristal
Kozak
XaHyPuK
Koldyr
Eutectic
Alexey
MEP3OCTb
Curtain
Bestia Negra
Barry Mcintosh
Zeppeline
Buddrow
Legionar
Ottar
Ramius
Lunas Feelgood
Vinzenz
To my knowledge lunas survived the battle and logged off in a mid-sol after trying to jump to a station for 30 mins.
At least that's what he was saying while trying to get the cyno out untill he said "ah **** that I logged".
Great job. Do we get a completly count from both sides??
Regards
/LD
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Kinsy
It was a big shame a large portion of people simply couldnt get involved because they were lagged out on the way.
Very much agreed. Would have loved to see the combined forces of defenders and attackers fighting in several systems, in various groups.
Maybe sometime in the future, when I am an old man, we will see such things :)
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 -
[552]
Edited by: Doddy on 29/03/2007 22:53:41
Originally by: CRUSH3R
If our support fleet managed to reach ft-e it was a very different fight.... I wish one day we will be able do play large-scale fleet battles but today it's nearly impossible :\
Bob support fleet didnt really make it either
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 -
[553]
Well it was certainly fun trying to jump in and load all those fighers.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:57:00 -
[554]
Theres only one way to see if there is a titan there. And that is for a spy in that alt corp to open industry and search for jobs that the corporations owns. If there is a job that goes on for a very long time.... Then you know theres a titan there... Simple.
Pwnage PvP Recruitment
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:58:00 -
[555]
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Kaeten
Why would BoB defend agaisnt such a fleet unless...
1) They actully had a titan...
2) They knew they were gonig to win...
Pick one.
To kill a huge number of cap ships, weakening their enemies for assaults over the next few days prehaps...
Well, so far they haven't done much to attack those alliances they laughed at, like D2, Goons... Some of the comments that have been made about said alliances makes one wonder why BOB is only defending, not attacking?
1V1 any of those alliances would be conquered by BOB. 10v1 They take almost a month to reach into delve and hit a pos, but at the cost of what?
I could have sworn BOB had regained sov to a station system down south from goon or ka tet (to tired to verify, anyone know what I am thinking?)
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Originally by: Ductoris
At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:58:00 -
[556]
Edited by: Fuujin on 29/03/2007 22:56:55
I hear the BOB spin is starting already!
Question: For those that crashed in system and were probbed out and killed while not in combat due to the lag or jsut the server strain, how will cpp sort their reinbursment petitions
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R0niN kR0
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:01:00 -
[557]
Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
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Mad Mackem
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:01:00 -
[558]
Originally by: MaxSkywalker
Hope someone is gonna make a vid of this fleet battle, I dont care how laggy it is.. :P
If anyone was able to fraps and play in that system deserves a petition.
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:02:00 -
[559]
I was at the pos in my dread for pretty much the entire fight, and I had the lock bug the entire time. I'd begin locking something, it would finish and say "locked", then cycle back as if I'd only just started locking it. I never fired a single shot the entire time.
Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Might
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RaBbLe66
Amarr
Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:02:00 -
[560]
Originally by: Ituralde
My only question is...
If its so easy to replace that many dreads, why didn't you risk them beforehand?
Simply so even the stupid can understand,
target came up that was worth hitting, and support was available,
Understand folks, this was not simply a fight against a cap shipyard, but also the first real test of the southern coalition vs BoB, Can the coalition bring the numbers to take on BoB on thier home turf and win , tonight that was answered.
1.yes they can as long as they are willing to take losses
2.BoB for all thier SP cannot hold against overwhelming numbers
Welcome to warfare 2007, whre losses dont count only numbers
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:03:00 -
[561]
Originally by: Kozak
I'm dead, have screenshots of black and white screens every 2 mintues for over 30 minutes... Hope that is enough for petition. I would not petition if I atleast fired ONE f'ing SHOT!!!
You knew full well what the situation would be with that many people cramming into the system. I bet CCP doesn't reimburse anything, as they shouldn't.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Ivor Gunn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:04:00 -
[562]
Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
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Rawstyle
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:05:00 -
[563]
heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:06:00 -
[564]
Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:07:00 -
[565]
Originally by: Kaeten
Theres only one way to see if there is a titan there. And that is for a spy in that alt corp to open industry and search for jobs that the corporations owns. If there is a job that goes on for a very long time.... Then you know theres a titan there... Simple.
I hear rumors the corp running that POS had 6 members. That's sort of a good way to limit the number of spies.
Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in |
Ty'derian
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:07:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down.
BOB only lost one Titan :)
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CardboardSword42
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:07:00 -
[567]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down.
Apparently capital ships in production don't count as capital ships any more?
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool
But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:08:00 -
[568]
Originally by: Rawstyle
heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?
negative.
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
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RaBbLe66
Amarr
Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:09:00 -
[569]
Quote:
Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down.
A titan 7 days from being launched is not a cap ship???
shake your head boy !!!#
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:09:00 -
[570]
Edited by: ArcticFox on 29/03/2007 23:12:27
Originally by: Dahin
Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:55:16
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
Also, at about 3 bil to buy and fit a dread, losing 25 of them is 75bil, as much as the cost of a titan.
You have a very high opinion on the bob+friends, especially when they're into their biggest fight after 3+ months of fighting constantly.
As for the coalition, I don't know much about the rest, but looking at the corpwallet, my 50-man corporation can replace solo by purchasing dreads off the insane market prices in the amount of:
2.5b a dread
300m t2 fittings
450m insurance
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3.750m in total
- 1.75 insurance
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2bil each
Right about now, cashflow says we can replace TOMMOROW about 50 dreads of that type.
Alliance-production dreads/fittings pretty much cuts cost down to 25+% (because insurance stays the same) and that amounts to 60+ of those babies.
Many people were preparing for this war, and at least we were isk-prepared.
And as for the picture in the grand scale, we prolly lost 1 or two dreads tonight (because we fielded like 3).
Now compare this to the rest of the people in all those alliances all people call "carebears" (and they are mostly right) and you will understand what 20-30 dreads means down for em.
On average, each corporation lost like 1 dread...
Now consider my corp uber-rich, and say the rest are like 50% as rich as we are.
That means they can replace tommorow 30 dreads each and they lost on average 1.
Sure, that is a reserve and such losses cannot be sustained on a daily basis, but neither can bob put a titan in production every single day.
Now I will not even start to speculate what RA and rest can replace... (sweet jesus lay off my plex will ya? :P)
And you tink BoB corps don't have equally impressive cash flows? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying destroying a Titan would be meaningless just because BoB has money, far from it.
But you can't go claiming a ship worth multiple tens of billions destroyed while in production for a rich alliance is a huge blow, and then say losing 50 capital ships (which you yourself have priced at 2 bil a pop after insurance) for a total of 100 bil doesn't matter. That's one whopping double-standard.
I think it's fair to say that quite probably everyone lost a ****ton of isk in this fight and touting your coalition's corp wallet to prove victory in a war against an alliance famed as one of the richest in the game is pretty meaningless.
The coalition probably knew what was going to happen and planned for it, so did BoB. You guys did what you came to do, so did BoB. Would BoB be better off without losing a titan in production? Yes, of course. Would the coalition be better off with 100 bil worth of cap ships not blown up (even if they were intentionally sacrificed)? Honestly, is that even a question that I need to answer?
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Exortius Amarrus
The Clearwater Society
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:10:00 -
[571]
if if if if if if
What happened happened.
Every question in this thread can be answered with one of the following:
1) Proof or STFU
2) You don't know
I'm $#*&!#$% ****ed I had to work today.
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Rawstyle
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:11:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Rawstyle
heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?
negative.
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
Thnx for confirmation, teamspeak seemed to suggest otherwise but it may indeed prove that you are correct.
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:11:00 -
[573]
Whos going to prove it? CCP?
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:12:00 -
[574]
Edited by: Zhaine on 29/03/2007 23:10:31
Originally by: RaBbLe66
Quote:
Bob did not lose any capital ships, anywhere between 40 and 50 hostile dreads went down.
A titan 7 days from being launched is not a cap ship???
shake your head boy !!!#
And my last post in this thread tonight:
Proof or stfu :D
Who's going to prove it Mr MM dude? Well surely you had a spy that saw the prod and industries sceen? Right? Cos if not. . .
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:12:00 -
[575]
LLAMA's only confirmed loss was to combined friendly fire from -A-, RA, TCF, and IAC.
GJ setting standings!
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RaBbLe66
Amarr
Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:12:00 -
[576]
Titan died....
admit it or deny it..
C'mon BoB you are normally so vocal,
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CardboardSword42
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[577]
Originally by: ArcticFox
Originally by: Dahin
Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 29/03/2007 21:55:16
It's a pyrrhic victory for the coalition at best. They may not take as much damage ISK-wise as BoB and the allies during this battle, but they aren't in a position to replace those losses as quick nor do they have as much in reserve as BoB and friends.
Losing a titan hurts for bob, but not at much as losing 25+ dreads/carriers for the coalition.
Also, at about 3 bil to buy and fit a dread, losing 25 of them is 75bil, as much as the cost of a titan.
You have a very high opinion on the bob+friends, especially when they're into their biggest fight after 3+ months of fighting constantly.
As for the coalition, I don't know much about the rest, but looking at the corpwallet, my 50-man corporation can replace solo by purchasing dreads off the insane market prices in the amount of:
2.5b a dread
300m t2 fittings
450m insurance
--------------
3.750m in total
- 1.75 insurance
--------------
2bil each
Right about now, cashflow says we can replace TOMMOROW about 50 dreads of that type.
Alliance-production dreads/fittings pretty much cuts cost down to 25+% (because insurance stays the same) and that amounts to 60+ of those babies.
Many people were preparing for this war, and at least we were isk-prepared.
And as for the picture in the grand scale, we prolly lost 1 or two dreads tonight (because we fielded like 3).
Now compare this to the rest of the people in all those alliances all people call "carebears" (and they are mostly right) and you will understand what 20-30 dreads means down for em.
On average, each corporation lost like 1 dread...
Now consider my corp uber-rich, and say the rest are like 50% as rich as we are.
That means they can replace tommorow 30 dreads each and they lost on average 1.
Sure, that is a reserve and such losses cannot be sustained on a daily basis, but neither can bob put a titan in production every single day.
Now I will not even start to speculate what RA and rest can replace... (sweet jesus lay off my plex will ya? :P)
And you tink BoB corps don't have equally impressive cash flows? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying destroying a Titan would be meaningless just because BoB has money, far from it.
But you can't go claiming a ship worth multiple tens of billions destroyed while in production for a rich alliance is a huge blow, and then say losing 50 capital ships (which you yourself have priced at 2 bil a pop after insurance) for a total of 100 bil doesn't matter. That's one whopping double-standard.
I think it's fair to say that quite probably everyone lost a ****ton of isk in this fight and touting your coalition's corp wallet to prove victory in a war against an alliance famed as one of the richest in the game is pretty meaningless.
The thing with super capitals for large alliance such as this isn't the isk involved though, it's the time. It takes a month to build a titan or a mom, and they are almost impossible to kill once they are produced. Killing one of these ships before they launch is worth more than the sheer isk value that it cost bob.
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool
But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[578]
Originally by: RaBbLe66
Titan died....
admit it or deny it..
C'mon BoB you are normally so vocal,
...and you've been where for the last 3 months?
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Winter Nuclear
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[579]
You say no BoB capital ships went down, but how about allied capships? Any losses there?
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Shaa'dai
Gallente
Daiony Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[580]
BoBs perspective
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0703/f-t_battle.jpg
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:13:00 -
[581]
I think the answer is in the lack of a Sir Molle chest beating post
He replied to this thread with his balls statement, but now he is strangely quiet.
Maybe his balls got waxed
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:14:00 -
[582]
Originally by: Wrayeth
I was at the pos in my dread for pretty much the entire fight, and I had the lock bug the entire time. I'd begin locking something, it would finish and say "locked", then cycle back as if I'd only just started locking it. I never fired a single shot the entire time.
Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them.
I was there for the POS battle... (Not on this char... but my capital pilot char) and we only deployed the fighters after the 1st dreads jumped in at the pos..... What were supposed to do... No fighters from the carriers lol... I could only target about 7 or 8 during the whole fight so everyone had lag....
Good Fight though guys
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:14:00 -
[583]
Originally by: Rawstyle
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Rawstyle
heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?
negative.
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
Thnx for confirmation, teamspeak seemed to suggest otherwise but it may indeed prove that you are correct.
when you are proved wrong it will just make your alliance seem stupid, i can imagine it now, someone screaming bob ms down on ts for the sake of it. All i want to know is whether there was or wasnt a titan being built, and tbh its looking more and more like a MS from here. But sounds like some people had fun so it cant have been that bad, at least not for all .
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Vegas
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:16:00 -
[584]
Originally by: scabbsssjr
1V1 any of those alliances would be conquered by BOB. 10v1 They take almost a month to reach into delve and hit a pos, but at the cost of what?
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
Bob and Allied? is this right? so its not 10v1 against Bob?
Bob have allies too?
Originally by: scabbsssjr
but at the cost of what?
At the cost of a Titan
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:16:00 -
[585]
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:16:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Fubear
Edited by: Fubear on 29/03/2007 22:55:18
Originally by: Nez Perces
The real question is, what was BoB's objective?
To defend the capital ship yard, or inflict as much damage as possible?
I beleive Seleene posted in this thread that they were going to kill EVERY Coalition dread at the POS. Unless the Coalition only had 30 Dreads it sounds like they failed.
The numbers I have been given are 30 Dreads + 10 Carriers lost.
EDIT: Seleenes Cap pilot count is at 45, so adjust my figures accordingly.
Assuming after insurance each ship is a loss of 500Mil, and has a generous 500Mil fitting, that is 40Bil in losses that can be immediately replaced from stockpiles and easily rebuilt over a short timespan.
RKK lost around 50Bil in uninsurable materials as well as a POS+Construction Yard. The loss is not replacable or insurable, it will take another 50Bil and months of logistics to RKK to get back to where tehy were today in regards to the construction.
A Titan on the battlefield can make a huge differance - can someone in BoB tell us what the average ISK destroyed figure for their Titans is over the last 8 weeks? The coalition have basically prevented another multiplication of whatever that figure is in losses over the course of time.
This fight is not about raw ISK values, it is about preventing BoB from gaining another MASSIVE long term battlefield advantage regardless of the cost to do so.
Didn't this argument die with ASCN? Seriously, losing ships is ALWAYS bad. Period. Especially capital ships. Losing POS's (and what's being built) is bad, too, not denying that.
Furthermore, nobody--and I mean nobody--can afford to suicide 50 capitals a week if BoB starts putting up a dozen decoy shipyards a month. And at this point, I see no reason why they wouldn't. 5b, tops, in POS + fittings + capyards, in return for 200m * 50 = 10b in recovered fittings alone? Seems like a hell of a good deal to me.
Originally by: xh'duality
Originally by: Buxaroo
update: someone linked me a picture: Cap Ship display if there ever was one
Damn.....thats a lot of cap ships.
Just to prove BOB did cause most of the lag purposly trying to safe theyre pos. But they cant break the will of a raging collition. Once again we see bob are using dirty tricks to save em sleft. Well this time they failed. Yes they might have killed alot of us cause we couldnt do anythign at all but we had the ballz to go in with what ever we had nomother what the outcome is going to be. about 800+ pilots who where not able to join the main fleet due lagg problem with in 8 jumps radious. GG
Ah, yes. Allow me to write out the mathematical proof you propose:
1. There is--mysteriously and incriminatingly!--lag when you put 2,000 people within a 2-jump radius of a single system.
2. ...
3. BoBdevsploithax!
I resign myself to being humbled before your superior reasoning.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:17:00 -
[587]
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
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OMG. I'M TOTALLY FAMOUS.
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Rawstyle
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:17:00 -
[588]
Edited by: Rawstyle on 29/03/2007 23:16:18
Edited by: Rawstyle on 29/03/2007 23:15:27
Originally by: Eamz
Originally by: Rawstyle
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Rawstyle
heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?
negative.
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
Thnx for confirmation, teamspeak seemed to suggest otherwise but it may indeed prove that you are correct.
when you are proved wrong it will just make your alliance seem stupid, i can imagine it now, someone screaming bob ms down on ts for the sake of it. All i want to know is whether there was or wasnt a titan being built, and tbh its looking more and more like a MS from here. But sounds like some people had fun so it cant have been that bad, at least not for all .
i fail to see how this makes any1 look silly, i asked for something, he gave it to me.....simple, the comment about teamspeak simply comes by way of expanation for my original question. The only 'stupid' person here appears to be your good self
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Thargat
Caldari
S-44
Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:18:00 -
[589]
Stop with the But and If's. It doesn't change the facts.
The servers are as they are. It's part of the game (currently) and b****ng about it won't change a thing.
CCP knows about the problem and will do "something" about it.
As far as I care it's not about lag or node-crashes. It's about who's winning (if I DID care, wich I don't).
Kudos to the coalition AND to BoB and allies for filling EvE with LOT's of great content and enjoyable events (cus that is what a GAME should be about).
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Elle Fatalle
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:18:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:18:00 -
[591]
Originally by: Winter Nuclear
You say no BoB capital ships went down, but how about allied capships? Any losses there?
None as far as I'm aware.
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:20:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
I think the answer is in the lack of a Sir Molle chest beating post
He replied to this thread with his balls statement, but now he is strangely quiet.
Maybe his balls got waxed
Ummm maybe were too busy cleaning up the wreaks and getting people home to do a report atm... The killboard is lagged to hell.... So give it a bit and i'm sure we will have a mail about it... Going to be really funny if it turns out to be a mothership being produced if anything at all
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:20:00 -
[593]
Originally by: Vegas
At the cost of a Titan
There was no titan destroyed.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:20:00 -
[594]
Originally by: Elle Fatalle
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
It's black and white sir.
Reikoku was building a titan, because it's inconceivable they weren't! HOW COULD THEY NOT?
How does Reikoku NOT build a titan?
Reikoku was building a Titan. Otherwise the sun would not come up in the mornings!
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Lady Spanky
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:21:00 -
[595]
Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:21:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Elle Fatalle
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
Your reasoning is not flawed. However you're missing one crucial part of the equation; sarcasm.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:22:00 -
[597]
Originally by: Wrayeth
Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them.
You're right, of course, they just did that to generate lag. I keep all the drones in my carrier in the drone bay at ALL times, regardless of the circumstances, even if I know I'm going into a fight against a hundred enemy dreadnoughts. It's only fair--maybe I can smartbomb the dreads to death!
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:22:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Elle Fatalle
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
Off topic but..copper is not magnetic..only ferous metals are, good luck with your exams
Nice BOB spin alt messing up again
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:23:00 -
[599]
Originally by: RaBbLe66
Titan died....
admit it or deny it..
C'mon BoB you are normally so vocal,
Maybe because they are all collecting all the loot those coalition caps dropped as well as cleaning up whatever strays are around....the guys posting in the thread are probably the ones that got popped.....you expect a response from them this quick when the battle isn't done yet? Buy a clue.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:24:00 -
[600]
Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Vegas
At the cost of a Titan
There was no titan destroyed.
Isn't that what you guys said when your Titan POS popped too?
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Hast
Refused.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:25:00 -
[601]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Elle Fatalle
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
Off topic but..copper is not magnetic..only ferous metals are, good luck with your exams
Nice BOB spin alt messing up again
but thats besides the point, I read on a forum that copper is magnetic, so it is clearly magnetic.
so stop your clear and blatant trolling please.
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Bon Ali
Bon's Ecological Recycling
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:25:00 -
[602]
Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Vegas
At the cost of a Titan
There was no titan destroyed.
you do know that there was a titan 3 days from completion in that yard right? But nah, you are probably right. Im sure the coalition, with its hundreds of spies, knows less than somebody in JuBa... of all corps. :D
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 -
[603]
Originally by: Vegas
Originally by: scabbsssjr
1V1 any of those alliances would be conquered by BOB. 10v1 They take almost a month to reach into delve and hit a pos, but at the cost of what?
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.
Bob and Allied? is this right? so its not 10v1 against Bob?
Bob have allies too?
Originally by: scabbsssjr
but at the cost of what?
At the cost of a Titan
1. Its more than 10 alliances attacking BOB you idiot. I said 10 because their are 2x that out their attacking BOB (atleast), not to even mention the individual corps, so stfu.
2. Don't take something out of context you idiot, your horrible at it, who do you think you are twisting my words around?
"They take almost a month to reach into delve and hit a pos, but at the cost of what?" Is what I said. The word at the beginning of the sentence is "they", since BOB and allies don't need to reach into delve to hit a pos it must refer to the coalition.
If you do not understand english, let me explain that sentence, it the dumbest terms for you. Stupidest version is the following:
"What did it cost the coalition?" Which is a valid question. This thread has said 50 dreads + carriers to seleenes count of about 38 dreads. Your troll sucked.
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Originally by: Ductoris
At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 -
[604]
Originally by: Lady Spanky
<snipped>
I think what some in the forum coalition are claiming that they didn't need those dreads anyway.
Considering this was the biggest capital battle, with the highest capital losses and the highest efficiency that EVE has ever seen, it is great to hear they will be back at it with the same strength tomorrow.
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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 -
[605]
Its awesome to see such huge fleets together.
Much committment on both sides to accomplish their goals.
That is to be respected...
However, you all know the technical limitations of the game (and ANY game).
I have not seen battles of even 100 vs 100 in another game, eve can do that
and a bit more before throwing about a lag of doom. Yes its a huge technical
challenge to have so many people in one node. CCP has done what it can so far
and is still trying to work on this technical challenge. They purchased a very
expensive SSD system, two of them. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498575&page=1
My point is, if everyone knows where the game cuts off, SPLIT your forces.
Would it be too hard for the two sides to allow similar numbers/types of forces
to jump in a system and have their fight?
Its obvious trying to outblob each other doesn't work, so lets be sane
and make more reasonable fights. Everybody keeps blaming CCP, I'm blaming you.
And admire you at the same time for your dedication BUT, you know the game limitations.
Split the fleets, do multiple attacks instead of focusing on one system.
I don't understand why everybody has to jump in one system and crowd the bejezus out of it ;)
I hope a good number of you enjoyed the fight semi-lag free, though I am
seeing a lot of posts about lagdeaths... which is to be expected.
This screenie says it all ;)
http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.03.29.21.25.25.jpg
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DeckardIRL
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 -
[606]
Tis funny,
The Coalition lost over 40 capitals tonight on a suspected Titan foetus.... and Tyrrax did indeed lose her shiny new Rev....
The beauty of this situation is whether or not there was something there.... proof or STFU has never been more appropriate... imagine losing a fleet of dreads on a hunch?
Deck
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Xelas Fleet Admiral
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DiuxDium
Loot
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 -
[607]
Originally by: Bon Ali
Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Vegas
At the cost of a Titan
There was no titan destroyed.
you do know that there was a titan 3 days from completion in that yard right? But nah, you are probably right. Im sure the coalition, with its hundreds of spies, knows less than somebody in JuBa... of all corps. :D
The last alt poster said it was 7 days.
Jita Spam in COAD you say?
Quote:
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sci0gon
Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:27:00 -
[608]
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
true it was capable of building but im curious how can you be so sure that they were even building a titan?
WHAT IF... they werent even building anything of that size in there in the first place? wont your loses be in vain?
congrats on downing the pos
unlucky about losing so many cap ships
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Zrevak Ashek
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:27:00 -
[609]
Ok, as the coalition didnt kill a single BOB capship while BOB capships where deployed to kill Coalition capships, I'd guess the plan was to just cyno in the dreads, siege them for ONE cycle and blow up the capyard, then cyno them out.
I'd guess there was an order out to ignore the BOB cap ships.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:28:00 -
[610]
Originally by: Aelena Thraant
Ummm maybe were too busy cleaning up the wreaks and getting people home to do a report atm... The killboard is lagged to hell.... So give it a bit and i'm sure we will have a mail about it... Going to be really funny if it turns out to be a mothership being produced if anything at all
Oh come on, there are some of us still in the battlefield now mate
And yes it would be funny if it was an MS, but Ithink we all know what happened tonight...next time, join in, the sidelines are comfy, but you not really involved are you
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:28:00 -
[611]
Whoever won, the veldspar looses.
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Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:29:00 -
[612]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
The beauty of this situation is whether or not there was something there.... proof or STFU has never been more appropriate... imagine losing a fleet of dreads on a hunch?
Do you think anyone would risk 150+ cap ships in a situation where they know they'll lose a significant amount unless they had quite a bit more than a hunch of what they were risking them for?
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:30:00 -
[613]
I'm wondering, how much did your gang got at their peak time, I joined the ra gang (I don't speak a word of russian ^^'), then at our peak time (read before we jumped and got people lagged out) we had 240 peeps. And you ?
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:31:00 -
[614]
Originally by: Patch86
Isn't that what you guys said when your Titan POS popped too?
Yep, or are you going to show me a killmail?
Titan production is no small venture but all the chestbeating of shooting down factories is starting to get rather boring.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Twisted Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:31:00 -
[615]
atm the thread looks like this to me:
"WE DOWNED THAT POS AND KILLED THAT BABY TITAN!"
"NO WE DOWNED 50 DREADS AND YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT TITAN DEATH!"
"NO WE DIDN'T LOST AS MUCH ISK AS YOU GUYS!"
"NO YOU DID LOST MORE ISK THAN US!"
"NO U!"
"NO U!!"
"NO U!!!"
ad nauseum....
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for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Benibara Ryoko
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:31:00 -
[616]
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:33:00 -
[617]
Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: twit brent
Whoever won, the veldspar looses.
Nope, Veldspar wins, I can already see the price going up.
Are you kidding? Think of all those ships that need rebuilding- it's going to be a VELDSPAR MASSACRE, man!
Oh the humanity! Er, hu-roidery! Hu-veldery? Hu.......er........ Oh the Drama!
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:34:00 -
[618]
TBH?
WTS: Trit @ 8 isk per unit.
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Ikarushka
Gallente
A.O.U. Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:35:00 -
[619]
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Bon Ali
Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Vegas
At the cost of a Titan
There was no titan destroyed.
you do know that there was a titan 3 days from completion in that yard right? But nah, you are probably right. Im sure the coalition, with its hundreds of spies, knows less than somebody in JuBa... of all corps. :D
The last alt poster said it was 7 days.
Jita Spam in COAD you say?
Just what I thought:) in addition, since the whole Iraqi's minister picture is being brought up... I heared there were some weapons of mass destructions in there, 100s of spys couldn't been wrong, wait...
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:35:00 -
[620]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Elle Fatalle
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
Off topic but..copper is not magnetic..only ferous metals are, good luck with your exams
Nice BOB spin alt messing up again
Cobalt is magnetic, and isn't a ferrous metal, while some stainless steels are ferrous, but not magnetic
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:35:00 -
[621]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Elle Fatalle
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:
Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic
Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)
It's black and white sir.
Reikoku was building a titan, because it's inconceivable they weren't! HOW COULD THEY NOT?
How does Reikoku NOT build a titan?
Reikoku was building a Titan. Otherwise the sun would not come up in the mornings!
How many cap yards were in system?
We'll go at this one at a time :)
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DeckardIRL
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:35:00 -
[622]
Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: DeckardIRL
The beauty of this situation is whether or not there was something there.... proof or STFU has never been more appropriate... imagine losing a fleet of dreads on a hunch?
Do you think anyone would risk 150+ cap ships in a situation where they know they'll lose a significant amount unless they had quite a bit more than a hunch of what they were risking them for?
So Proof or STFU......
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Kaaii
Caldari
Equilibrium LLC
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:35:00 -
[623]
The one thing that seems clearest to me is theres way more titans destroyed on these forums then ever was in the game...
Trading 101 Kaaii-Net Research Labs
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Thargat
Caldari
S-44
Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:35:00 -
[624]
We've been told that if you equip a gazillion monkeys with typewriters they'll eventually write the collected works of Shakespear.
Thanks to this thread we now know that this isn't true. ;)
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:36:00 -
[625]
Proof? What, 1 side will say 1 thing the other will say another. Believe who you want it doesnt make a difference.
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:36:00 -
[626]
Originally by: Seleene
TBH?
WTS: Trit @ 8 isk per unit.
I call dibs and going to setup camp in northern space, and mine my ass off.
Trit = New Zydrine.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:37:00 -
[627]
Originally by: Vegas
Bob and Allied? is this right? so its not 10v1 against Bob?
Bob have allies too?
Lol according to the coalition we are pets, not worthy of being real alliances therefor we cant be real allies right?
I totally woulda brought at my carrier if I wasnt working, regardless of what side I am on because it would have been fun.
IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT WAS LOST
IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT WAS WON
IT ONLY MATTERS THAT CCP NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ALLOW EVERYONE INVOLVED TO HAVE FUN IN FIGHTS LIKE THIS.
So all in all, this was a loss for everyone, including CCP because of the LAG ;(
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Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited
Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:38:00 -
[628]
This is why I play Eve! \o/
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:39:00 -
[629]
[QUOTE]
Thursday, 08 February, 2007
Beyond Insanity...
2 days ago I acquired the formidable Corvus and Storm battleships from Band of Brothers, who had won them in the Alliance Tournament.
The ships have since been renamed by CCP and are now called Raven State Issue and Tempest Tribal issue (arguably more appropriate names).
The only real problem with those pretty things was the pricetag. I did manage to talk the price down a bit, but it still taxed my resources to say the least.
Another problem is that the Powers that Be decided to give these ships a Level 5 skill requirement. Now, due to the somewhat godlike nature of these ships that doesn't come as a total surprise, but the thing is, I DON'T HAVE THOSE SKILLS!
*starts training...*
In (totally unrelated, honest!) other news: Band of Brothers managed to raise enough funds to finance at least 2 more Titan class vessels. Rumour has it they are adding a Leviathan BPO to their portfolio to complete their set. How they managed to raise this much ISK in such short time remains a mystery.
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http://home.wanadoo.nl/ntt/eve/index.html
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:39:00 -
[630]
lol @ all the armchair quarterbacking BoB pets trying to play down or outright deny the loss.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:39:00 -
[631]
Originally by: Bon Ali
For all of those asking how the coalition knew what was in the array, how about the big ******* timer, you morons?
Like the one you'd see if it was a multiple run of Dreads or Carriers?
Let's look at it like this:
Coalition claims it was where a titan was being built, bob forces are saying it was empty.
If BoB aren't lying, then the Coalition will find out in a very big way during a large battle.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:40:00 -
[632]
Originally by: Thargat
We've been told that if you equip a gazillion monkeys with typewriters they'll eventually write the collected works of Shakespear.
Thanks to this thread we now know that this isn't true. ;)
Eventually they will.
Though by the looks of it they prefer to smack on forums instead.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:40:00 -
[633]
Edited by: Terror Rising on 29/03/2007 23:36:52
Originally by: Entity
Thursday, 08 February, 2007
Beyond Insanity...
2 days ago I acquired the formidable Corvus and Storm battleships from Band of Brothers, who had won them in the Alliance Tournament.
The ships have since been renamed by CCP and are now called Raven State Issue and Tempest Tribal issue (arguably more appropriate names).
The only real problem with those pretty things was the pricetag. I did manage to talk the price down a bit, but it still taxed my resources to say the least.
Another problem is that the Powers that Be decided to give these ships a Level 5 skill requirement. Now, due to the somewhat godlike nature of these ships that doesn't come as a total surprise, but the thing is, I DON'T HAVE THOSE SKILLS!
*starts training...*
In (totally unrelated, honest!) other news: Band of Brothers managed to raise enough funds to finance at least 2 more Titan class vessels. Rumour has it they are adding a Leviathan BPO to their portfolio to complete their set. How they managed to raise this much ISK in such short time remains a mystery.
http://home.wanadoo.nl/ntt/eve/index.html
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:41:00 -
[634]
Originally by: Bon Ali
Im sure the coalition, with its hundreds of spies, knows less than somebody in JuBa... of all corps. :D
1. Wasn't the the forum coalition supposed to be free of "meany" tactics
2. Oh, I'm sure Bon's Ecological Recycling has vast resources.
3. No titan was destroyed. At most you shot a factory and some minerals.
Let me know when you kill a supercapital and actually get a killmail.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:41:00 -
[635]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 29/03/2007 23:38:31
Originally by: Algey
Cobalt is magnetic, and isn't a ferrous metal, while some stainless steels are ferrous, but not magnetic
never mind the POS, but...cobalt is ferromagnetic..ie normal ferrous behaviour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt
However, Copper is NON magnetic and always will be...Stainless steel is a carbon based compound of iron,...it is non ferrous mate :P
You will probably prove me wrong in the same way BOB will prove me wrong that they didnt lose a huge battle tonight
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Kerkar
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:43:00 -
[636]
Originally by: James Snowscoran
Originally by: Thargat
We've been told that if you equip a gazillion monkeys with typewriters they'll eventually write the collected works of Shakespear.
Thanks to this thread we now know that this isn't true. ;)
Eventually they will.
Though by the looks of it they prefer to smack on forums instead.
actually an experiment on that line has so far yielded that they could type something like 16 words in billions of years or similar.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:44:00 -
[637]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Aelena Thraant
Ummm maybe were too busy cleaning up the wreaks and getting people home to do a report atm... The killboard is lagged to hell.... So give it a bit and i'm sure we will have a mail about it... Going to be really funny if it turns out to be a mothership being produced if anything at all
Oh come on, there are some of us still in the battlefield now mate
And yes it would be funny if it was an MS, but Ithink we all know what happened tonight...next time, join in, the sidelines are comfy, but you not really involved are you
Uh, are you being sarcastic? Aelena was there on Aelena's carrier alt... I know I heard abotu it on irc, and Aelena said so in this thread...
Not to mention all of Aftermaths involvement in Fountain or anything....
(sorry if you were being sarcastic and not smacking one of my fav people in my alliance)
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:47:00 -
[638]
All I know is that I sat there for an hour and a half and only managed to get my alt on two mails :(
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M3ta
Amarr
Giants in the Playground
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:48:00 -
[639]
Originally by: Thargat
We've been told that if you equip a gazillion monkeys with typewriters they'll eventually write the collected works of Shakespear.
Thanks to this thread we now know that this isn't true. ;)
However, the monkeys are smarter than you, because THEY can spell "Shakespeare" correctly.
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Thargat
Caldari
S-44
Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:51:00 -
[640]
Originally by: M3ta
However, the monkeys are smarter than you, because THEY can spell "Shakespeare" correctly.
Point proven. GF and Good Night. =)
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:52:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Draxxxion
To get a ton of kills while you guys shoot a POS,a pos I might add that only the coalition believes anything was in....since your propoganda guys started saying it had a Titan in it...
Can I say that we picked up the Titan BPO that dropped from the POS or would that be propoganda.
I'd say propaganda. I bet you're still waiting for wreck and cargo hold contents to load.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:52:00 -
[642]
Well I really dont know what was inside the POS and TBFH I really dont care. We went there to pop it and we did it.
More important then a capital shipyard going down somewhere in 0 space, today the coalition showed to all the guys saying that the coalition was breaking apart how wrong they were....
PS: The lag was dam bad
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:53:00 -
[643]
Originally by: DeathGrip
Originally by: Righteous Fury
All I know is that I sat there for an hour and a half and only managed to get my alt on two mails :(
Know what you mean. First 2-3hrs we sat there being told there was 200 enemey's on gate, but we never seen them lol.
Last 1hr or so We got about 20 kills though.
Oh no, I shot about 20 different dreads/carriers, haha. I just had pulse fitted and had to use Radio XL! Damn my lack of preparation.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:53:00 -
[644]
Edited by: Popsikle on 29/03/2007 23:50:10
Originally by: Wylker
Edited by: Wylker on 29/03/2007 23:46:20
I would like to use this topic to get some support for my open letter trying to convince the devs to give us some freaking feedback on what they are doing about major game issues.
see link!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=480483
click link!
*edit* fix link!
LOL you *****, all whoring your topic and stuff. ;)
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:54:00 -
[645]
I would really like DEV reaction on game events as to how freaking awesome huge battles are and what they'd like to have done, where the technology is, and why people should stop whining.
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:55:00 -
[646]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Well I really dont know what was inside the POS and TBFH I really dont care. We went there to pop it and we did it.
More important then a capital shipyard going down somewhere in 0 space, today the coalition showed to all the guys saying that the coalition was breaking apart how wrong they were....
PS: The lag was dam bad
Ya man, you guys should get together more often if you do this well when you do.
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Zrevak Ashek
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:58:00 -
[647]
Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
I would really like DEV reaction on game events as to how freaking awesome huge battles are and what they'd like to have done, where the technology is, and why people should stop whining.
I beleive THIS to be CCP's vision for how fleetbattles should look, but tbfh, there will be some time b4 the technology catches up to that
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Fray
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:59:00 -
[648]
Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
I would really like DEV reaction on game events as to how freaking awesome huge battles are and what they'd like to have done, where the technology is, and why people should stop whining.
That'd be awesome to hear, but I doubt they can have an answer until they get around the whole 'only one system per CPU' problem...
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Amori
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:02:00 -
[649]
Yes, lag was a real bore.
But, on the bright side my total score is only -5 now.
The only 'boring' part was having to wait for my cap to run out to get mods to stop. And of course, sitting there for hours with invisible targets!
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:08:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: DeadDuck
Well I really dont know what was inside the POS and TBFH I really dont care. We went there to pop it and we did it.
More important then a capital shipyard going down somewhere in 0 space, today the coalition showed to all the guys saying that the coalition was breaking apart how wrong they were....
PS: The lag was dam bad
Ya man, you guys should get together more often if you do this well when you do.
Well at least we all have a place to call home isnt it ?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:08:00 -
[651]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Malachon Draco
On the subject of reimbursement. POSses never suffer from lag, therefore reimbursement due to lag is not relevant. Ships do suffer from lag. And thus reimbursement can be warranted.
Combat actions around the POS ARE affected by lag though, such as the support ships trying to login and boost the shields and armor of a POS.
The POS's actions are unaffected, but you're naive to think that a POS would be in the same situation if players had no lag at all.
A few dozen carriers and MS remote repping the POS, while another hundred or so allied dreads are alpha-popping the attackers as they warp into the grid.
And if the dreads are all crazy enough to sit close enough together, stick a few Smartbomb ships between them and the POS to negate citadel torp dps.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Red Dwarf Mining Corps
5th Column
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:10:00 -
[652]
Killing a Titan or Mothership before it's finished must make one feel like they gave abortifacts to the Virgin Mary -or Rosemary depending on how you look at it.
How strange that CCP wants meaningful combat for small fleets of 50 or less. Can CCP modify MegaMek for meaningful small fleet ops?
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Strong Badd
Trogdor the Burninator Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:10:00 -
[653]
Originally by: Dahin
10% shield
Well from those numbers I expect you to live for another 30 or so minutes assuming you aren't crashed out of the game. (on your screen anyway =D). You might want to avoid giving vital info to your enemies though, I bet they haven't even realized they have actually shot yet.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:10:00 -
[654]
Originally by: Wrayeth
Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them.
Fighters and drones out that add DPS to kill attackers? OMG what ebil haxsploits.
Any defender that doesn't have their drones and fighters out before the fight starts is a total fool.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:13:00 -
[655]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: DeadDuck
Well I really dont know what was inside the POS and TBFH I really dont care. We went there to pop it and we did it.
More important then a capital shipyard going down somewhere in 0 space, today the coalition showed to all the guys saying that the coalition was breaking apart how wrong they were....
PS: The lag was dam bad
Ya man, you guys should get together more often if you do this well when you do.
Well at least we all have a place to call home isnt it ?
I'm in XZH you idiot.
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Faceless Pokemon
THe X Spies
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:15:00 -
[656]
Edited by: Faceless Pokemon on 30/03/2007 00:13:01
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Tis funny,
The Coalition lost over 40 capitals tonight on a suspected Titan foetus.... and Tyrrax did indeed lose her shiny new Rev....
The beauty of this situation is whether or not there was something there.... proof or STFU has never been more appropriate... imagine losing a fleet of dreads on a hunch?
Deck
...Imagine losing an industry POS because fleet admiral doesnt understand 24hour clock and timezones.
If you were FC'in tonight, around about now 70 BOB carriers would be cyno'in in. "Ok guys, lets get ready, are you sure this is the correct moon?, im seeing no POS."
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:15:00 -
[657]
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
For those of us on the outside, Sham = ?
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Lucututerian
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:16:00 -
[658]
would be realy interessting to know wat happend wen the other hundrets of coalition-ships and firepower could get into f-t. thx to ccp to make EVE how it is, but we cant play it how it is atm.
so they have to change the severpower, cause this kind of megabattles will come oftener, specialy wen multiple alliances fighting eachother
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:18:00 -
[659]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
snip
Your sig rules, as painful as it must be.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Deerhoof
United Society Starfleet
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:19:00 -
[660]
Edited by: Deerhoof on 30/03/2007 00:16:08
way to halt a busy thread.
advertising! \o/
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Loss Minn
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:19:00 -
[661]
No matter if the combined value of the Coalition's losses outweigh the total value of BoB and Co.'s losses tonight. The strategic value is more important. Also, the Coalition's losses are spread out over many alliances, making it much easier to swallow. Even though BoB may have lost their yards to lag, even though they probably have at least 2 more, this mission would be classified as successfully completed.
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:22:00 -
[662]
Originally by: Loss Minn
No matter if the combined value of the Coalition's losses outweigh the total value of BoB and Co.'s losses tonight. The strategic value is more important. Also, the Coalition's losses are spread out over many alliances, making it much easier to swallow. Even though BoB may have lost their yards to lag, even though they probably have at least 2 more, this mission would be classified as successfully completed.
Yeah, I mean ****, their THIRD titan, that's a huge blow to their potential resources...a third titan to add to their fleet is definately worth more than 50+ dreads.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:22:00 -
[663]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN
This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net
For those of us on the outside, Sham = ?
Tyrrax Thorrk's irc name.
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Lola Lollipop
Gallente
Snakeskin Ind.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:24:00 -
[664]
(I loves BobD and I'm lovesing Rabble Allaince )
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:25:00 -
[665]
my irc name is ArachV0id
sham just made my sig
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:26:00 -
[666]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
my irc name is ArachV0id
sham just made my sig
fine. spoil my fun why don't you.
/me sulks
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:27:00 -
[667]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
my irc name is ArachV0id
sham just made my sig
Cant be! liar! mines DigitalCommunist!
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:33:00 -
[668]
Originally by: Brother Funkyshades
ok... who said there are no isk sinks in eve?
No isk was sunk, ISK was actually created out of nothing.
Only minerals were sunk in this. Allow me to explain how ship loss actually works in EVE:
You mine minerals. We will say 10k trit.
You check your wallet, you have 10k ISK.
You build a ship with the 10k trit.
You spend 10k on insurance, you now have 0 trit, 0 isk, and a ship.
Your ship gets popped, you are given a 75k isk payout.
You now have 75k isk, and 0 trit. 65k isk has just been created. 10k trit, which was created, is gone.
The end result is 65k isk, 0 trit, has been added to EVE.
I excluded bpo buying because I do not believe all these major alliances lack capship BPOs. Hell D2 probably lends their extras to coalition members.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:35:00 -
[669]
Why does everyone say Coaliton lost a fleet of dreads? There was 192 in the capital gang. Most were dreads. Loosing 30 is not loosing your capital fleet.
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:40:00 -
[670]
Loosing 40 of 150 is like 25%.
of those fourty how many will be replaced and how many will not be?
the ability of te coalition to do this again will not be the same.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:40:00 -
[671]
Originally by: Kozak
Why does everyone say Coaliton lost a fleet of dreads? There was 192 in the capital gang. Most were dreads. Loosing 30 is not loosing your capital fleet.
40+ dreads is a fleet. It doesn't really matter that there were 150, or over 9000. Having that many in system is still huge and more than most battles see with both sides combined.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Rule2k
Fate.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:40:00 -
[672]
192!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tunajuice
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:43:00 -
[673]
Originally by: Rule2k
192!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wom't be 192 dreads.. at least need some cynos in there. Maybe 180 caps max ;P
/no idea how many, I was next door turkey shooting goonies
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BARONFS
Preachers Of Death
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:43:00 -
[674]
Edited by: BARONFS on 30/03/2007 00:39:40
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 29/03/2007 23:38:31
Originally by: Algey
Cobalt is magnetic, and isn't a ferrous metal, while some stainless steels are ferrous, but not magnetic
never mind the POS, but...cobalt is ferromagnetic..ie normal ferrous behaviour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt
However, Copper is NON magnetic and always will be...Stainless steel is a carbon based compound of iron,...it is non ferrous mate :P
You will probably prove me wrong in the same way BOB will prove me wrong that they didnt lose a huge battle tonight
A point to note:
If you're going to try to make someone feel stupid, you should do your best to fully research your point. Otherwise someone might actualy try to catch you on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrous
For those not wanting to check, "ferrous" is an adjective for iron. Iron being a magnetic compound will cause most 'ferrous' compounds to be magnetic.
However not all are
Finaly, by your logic BOB actualy didn't lose (i actualy have no idea what happened besides lots of cap ship loses, this is in reference to your last point). |
D1ck Jones
Old Detroit Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:44:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: DeckardIRL
The beauty of this situation is whether or not there was something there.... proof or STFU has never been more appropriate... imagine losing a fleet of dreads on a hunch?
Do you think anyone would risk 150+ cap ships in a situation where they know they'll lose a significant amount unless they had quite a bit more than a hunch of what they were risking them for?
Until you have any proof or bob admitting there was a titan in there, you don;t now. You can only hope.
To the D2 clown saying he saw the bpo-
According to my map their is a station in the system, thus unless you were in the station and could look in hangers you wouldnt see the bpo.
But please dont let this logic stop the mazing spin and speculation.
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KSKRIOWX
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:45:00 -
[676]
Originally by: Loss Minn
Originally by: Sexorella hotz
Originally by: Loss Minn
No matter if the combined value of the Coalition's losses outweigh the total value of BoB and Co.'s losses tonight. The strategic value is more important. Also, the Coalition's losses are spread out over many alliances, making it much easier to swallow. Even though BoB may have lost their yards to lag, even though they probably have at least 2 more, this mission would be classified as successfully completed.
Yeah, I mean ****, their THIRD titan, that's a huge blow to their potential resources...a third titan to add to their fleet is definately worth more than 50+ dreads.
It's good for Coalition morale, and a multi-billion hit is a multi-billion hit. You're right though, BoB will probably reimburse the loss before breakfast. Also each Coalition member is taking a piece of the Coalition loss, so it's not one lumped loss as it is with BoB. Besides, I don't know anyone who wouldn't take the opportunity to keep a Titan out of the hands of their enemy.
I'm pretty sure that the suicidal terrorists can say the mission would be classified as successfully completed. No matter what they loose as long as they destroy the target. Imo not a good thinking.
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Gungankllr
Caldari
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:49:00 -
[677]
Prince Akeem: Good morning my neighbors!
A neighbor: Hey, fu** you!
Prince Akeem: Yes, yes! Fu** you, too!
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:50:00 -
[678]
This thread has been more read than the sticky or the devblogs comment
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Chronus26
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:50:00 -
[679]
Originally by: Vily
Loosing 40 of 150 is like 25%.
of those fourty how many will be replaced and how many will not be?
the ability of te coalition to do this again will not be the same.
I doubt many of those Dread pilots have the personal wealth availible to go out an buy a new dread tomorrow. I've never heard of a corp/alliance that hands out free dreads to anybody capable. Best i've heard is a small subsidy towards the cost and a ship for build price, but thats still by no means cheap.
This means a lot of corps are now down a lot of Dreads for atleast a couple of weeks, and even when replaced, will they ever take such a big risk with them in future?
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LordChaos
Amarr
Purple Monkey Squadron
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:51:00 -
[680]
Originally by: KSKRIOWX
Originally by: Loss Minn
Originally by: Sexorella hotz
Originally by: Loss Minn
No matter if the combined value of the Coalition's losses outweigh the total value of BoB and Co.'s losses tonight. The strategic value is more important. Also, the Coalition's losses are spread out over many alliances, making it much easier to swallow. Even though BoB may have lost their yards to lag, even though they probably have at least 2 more, this mission would be classified as successfully completed.
Yeah, I mean ****, their THIRD titan, that's a huge blow to their potential resources...a third titan to add to their fleet is definately worth more than 50+ dreads.
It's good for Coalition morale, and a multi-billion hit is a multi-billion hit. You're right though, BoB will probably reimburse the loss before breakfast. Also each Coalition member is taking a piece of the Coalition loss, so it's not one lumped loss as it is with BoB. Besides, I don't know anyone who wouldn't take the opportunity to keep a Titan out of the hands of their enemy.
I'm pretty sure that the suicidal terrorists can say the mission would be classified as successfully completed. No matter what they loose as long as they destroy the target. Imo not a good thinking.
comparing suicidal terrorists to a game?
some people just dont get it lol
The Master Of Chaos
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:51:00 -
[681]
Edited by: Troubadour on 30/03/2007 00:49:40
Seriously guys, it wouldn't be the first time spys within one's alliance were fed false information to spur a favorable outcome. You don't even have to know who the spys are, just causally let it slip "we have a titan coming in the next few days", on TS and spys are bound to pick it up.
The only people who REALLY know what was in that shipyard are the higher ups.
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fightnkill
Dark Blade Incorporated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:52:00 -
[682]
when 1 alliance loses 40 dreads, it's a big impact, but coalition-wise... Lets say that each alliance that participated lost about 2-4 dreads each
Replacing 2-4 dreads isn't that hard Alliance-wise.
BoB however, they were the alliance that lost the Most in this battle.
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:53:00 -
[683]
WTB: Molle's Balls
In case anyone saw them floating around and scooped 'em.
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Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:54:00 -
[684]
Both sides semm reasonably happy with the outcome, why don't we leave it at that.
To the people bragging about the size of corp wallets. I recall ISK was not a factor for ASCN, the will to fight was. As long as both sides have that will then long may the war continue.
To the people hoping for reimbursement, I hope you get the middle finger. You KNEW what you were jumping into. If you didn't you are too stupid to fly a capship and petitions should be rejected due to lack of IQ.
And finally, lol at the retard (whoever you are) whining about CARRIERS HAVING FIGHTERS OUT!! (Oh, the humanity!)
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RwPnIKn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:55:00 -
[685]
Originally by: LordChaos
Originally by: KSKRIOWX
Originally by: Loss Minn
Originally by: Sexorella hotz
Originally by: Loss Minn
No matter if the combined value of the Coalition's losses outweigh the total value of BoB and Co.'s losses tonight. The strategic value is more important. Also, the Coalition's losses are spread out over many alliances, making it much easier to swallow. Even though BoB may have lost their yards to lag, even though they probably have at least 2 more, this mission would be classified as successfully completed.
Yeah, I mean ****, their THIRD titan, that's a huge blow to their potential resources...a third titan to add to their fleet is definately worth more than 50+ dreads.
It's good for Coalition morale, and a multi-billion hit is a multi-billion hit. You're right though, BoB will probably reimburse the loss before breakfast. Also each Coalition member is taking a piece of the Coalition loss, so it's not one lumped loss as it is with BoB. Besides, I don't know anyone who wouldn't take the opportunity to keep a Titan out of the hands of their enemy.
I'm pretty sure that the suicidal terrorists can say the mission would be classified as successfully completed. No matter what they loose as long as they destroy the target. Imo not a good thinking.
comparing suicidal terrorists to a game?
some people just dont get it lol
It was just an example, didnt want to sound that bad. Sorry, but couldnt find another one.
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Optimo
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 00:55:00 -
[686]
Figures I miss out on something like this.
Originally by: Phoebus Athenian
I have not seen battles of even 100 vs 100 in another game, eve can do that
and a bit more before throwing about a lag of doom.
I have, ive seen 150v150 in planetside.
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Kristoffer
Amarr
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:00:00 -
[687]
Originally by: Optimo
Figures I miss out on something like this.
Originally by: Phoebus Athenian
I have not seen battles of even 100 vs 100 in another game, eve can do that
and a bit more before throwing about a lag of doom.
I have, ive seen 150v150 in planetside.
Cont-lock in Planetside used to be 500 back in the day.
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:00:00 -
[688]
Originally by: Optimo
Figures I miss out on something like this.
Originally by: Phoebus Athenian
I have not seen battles of even 100 vs 100 in another game, eve can do that
and a bit more before throwing about a lag of doom.
I have, ive seen 150v150 in planetside.
I confirm your claim but you forgot to say that there are verry rarely a 150v150 over one single place. Oh btw the ra support fleet was alone 200+ people, there is a fix/xelas/bob ally fleet, a goonfleet that succeded to access the battlefield, I assume a d2 support fleet as well, of course there is the iac fleet the aaa fleet, tcf, and for all those people there are the caps fleet, not forgetting of course the bob fleet.
It's a bit more than 150v150.
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Dalieus Dakarn
Caldari
Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:02:00 -
[689]
Originally by: Loss Minn
...BoB will probably reimburse the loss before breakfast.
I'm so glad I chose not to join your alliance. With people like you making up the majority of the Coalition, I'd rather join CELES... and they're last on my Christmas list, tbh.
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Brother Funkyshades
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:02:00 -
[690]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Brother Funkyshades
ok... who said there are no isk sinks in eve?
No isk was sunk, ISK was actually created out of nothing.
Only minerals were sunk in this. Allow me to explain how ship loss actually works in EVE:
You mine minerals. We will say 10k trit.
You check your wallet, you have 10k ISK.
You build a ship with the 10k trit.
You spend 10k on insurance, you now have 0 trit, 0 isk, and a ship.
Your ship gets popped, you are given a 75k isk payout.
You now have 75k isk, and 0 trit. 65k isk has just been created. 10k trit, which was created, is gone.
The end result is 65k isk, 0 trit, has been added to EVE.
i think youre tryin to fool me with those calcs... theres something fishy... and its not just the insurance payout that has been blown way out of proportion.
for one its the modules, and im pretty sure, some of them cannot be built.
drones and fighters cannot be insured.
and the list goes on, but im tired and already soft in the head.
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Angor
Minmatar
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:03:00 -
[691]
well had more fun in the hours after the pos going down with all the hostiles going home it was like target practice lol... got overconfident and lost my sabre but ahh well sh1t happens. i hope i never have to go through that kind of lag again but thats wishful thinking.
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Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:04:00 -
[692]
Originally by: Optimo
Figures I miss out on something like this.
Originally by: Phoebus Athenian
I have not seen battles of even 100 vs 100 in another game, eve can do that
and a bit more before throwing about a lag of doom.
I have, ive seen 150v150 in planetside.
Don't compare other games. World of Warcraft has over a million members and their petitions get answered within 2/3 days and resolved quick. CCP has much less then that and can't answer a petition within a month.
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Haxa
Confederation of Red Miners
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:05:00 -
[693]
/me watches the BoB killboard explode with everyone trying to get to it and check the battle.
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TheArchJudge
Gallente
Delta team
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:06:00 -
[694]
Screenshots of the fight: 123
Thanks for the fight to all involved, i sure hope someone got some very decent fraps footage of that.
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:06:00 -
[695]
Originally by: Brother Funkyshades
...
Even without the insurance payout. The only isk that has been sunk are those used for : The control tower, the ct mods, and the tools used when fueling the pos (but those isk were sunk a long time ago). "Perhaps" a titan bpo (but I assume this bpo has been saved), and eventually the manufacturing cost. In any case the faction mod isn't an isk sink as you dont buy them from npc, you loot them. The fuel isn't an isk sink as you mine it. The mins aren't isk sink because you just transfer monney from your wallet to the miners, and so forth.
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MECHcore
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:06:00 -
[696]
Was alot of lag but felt damn good to be there !
Good work coalition
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:09:00 -
[697]
Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 30/03/2007 00:49:40
Seriously guys, it wouldn't be the first time spys within one's alliance were fed false information to spur a favorable outcome. You don't even have to know who the spys are, just causally let it slip "we have a titan coming in the next few days", on TS and spys are bound to pick it up.
The only people who REALLY know what was in that shipyard are the higher ups.
The pos afaik is a rkk pos, if it is a rkk pos then every single member in the corp can see there is a titan under construction by going to Science and industry tab and seek for the corporate job. Every single man in the corp, spy included.
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Ehrine Ashbark
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:11:00 -
[698]
Originally by: Esurnir
The pos afaik is a rkk pos, if it is a rkk pos then every single member in the corp can see there is a titan under construction by going to Science and industry tab and seek for the corporate job. Every single man in the corp, spy included.
Actually, my understanding is it was an RKK alt corp and as such restricted to just a few "trusted" members.
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Draxxxion
GIT-R-DUN
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:12:00 -
[699]
Originally by: Esurnir
Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 30/03/2007 00:49:40
Seriously guys, it wouldn't be the first time spys within one's alliance were fed false information to spur a favorable outcome. You don't even have to know who the spys are, just causally let it slip "we have a titan coming in the next few days", on TS and spys are bound to pick it up.
The only people who REALLY know what was in that shipyard are the higher ups.
The pos afaik is a rkk pos, if it is a rkk pos then every single member in the corp can see there is a titan under construction by going to Science and industry tab and seek for the corporate job. Every single man in the corp, spy included.
Thought it was a RKK industrial alt corp,with like 6 members,to insure there would be no spies.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:12:00 -
[700]
Did the coalition actually post any screens of the so called BPO they looted? Id like to see it if its true.
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:19:00 -
[701]
Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 30/03/2007 01:15:32
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Did the coalition actually post any screens of the so called BPO they looted? Id like to see it if its true.
I think one guy made a joke and everyone took it seriously, you'll have to read a lot to find the joke though. I think that the job can be installed without having the BPO at the POS(IE from a station, the way one can remotely research a BPO at a POS from a station)
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Viper ShizzIe
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:20:00 -
[702]
Originally by: Sexorella hotz
Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 30/03/2007 01:15:32
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Did the coalition actually post any screens of the so called BPO they looted? Id like to see it if its true.
I think one guy made a joke and everyone took it seriously, you'll have to read a lot to find the joke though. I think that the job can be installed without having the BPO at the POS(IE from a station, the way one can remotely research a BPO at a POS from a station)
Or there was no BPO in question at that POS?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:21:00 -
[703]
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 30/03/2007 01:18:37
Silly me, that system does have a station. I guess well have to wait for either side to cough up the evidence.
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Pat Bello
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:22:00 -
[704]
there's proof about 50 dread kills, now where is the proof about the baby titan kill?
proof or stfu!
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Howling Jinn
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:23:00 -
[705]
1. ffs fix the forum
2. thanks to all for posting in here, took 4 hours of my worktime reading this, 10hour nightshifts isnt cool when working with heavy medicated psychos
3. gf to all
4. go coalition
5. surely with that many caps around and support, why not have a pickning and slaugther all the other pos's in the area?
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haxsploit 'n'logoffski
Minmatar
The Science of War
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:23:00 -
[706]
I certianly hope that BoB has the previously mentioned balls to disclose what exactly was in these capital shipyards, and not try to play it off like it had a carrier in that array. Please follow Seleene's example from when they lost their baby mom. |
Siva Calentis
The Pikey Rebellion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:28:00 -
[707]
Quote:
2. thanks to all for posting in here, took 4 hours of my worktime reading this, 10hour nightshifts isnt cool when working with heavy medicated psychos
Hows the police force treating you.
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:28:00 -
[708]
Edited by: Esurnir on 30/03/2007 01:25:13
Originally by: Howling Jinn
5. surely with that many caps around and support, why not have a pickning and slaugther all the other pos's in the area?
First the capital shipyard was bubled to hell as you would expect and mc + bob cap fleet made a slaughter down there. Second, I personnaly had a 25 minute jump delay, 5 minute to activate a microwarpdrive and 2 to target a single blood raider battleship. You see the problem ?
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:28:00 -
[709]
Originally by: Wylker
Edited by: Wylker on 29/03/2007 23:46:20
I would like to use this topic to get some support for my open letter trying to convince the devs to give us some freaking feedback on what they are doing about major game issues.
see link!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=480483
click link!
*edit* fix link!
Shameless Plug Alert!11!
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Draxxxion
GIT-R-DUN
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:30:00 -
[710]
Originally by: haxsploit 'n'logoffski
I certianly hope that BoB has the previously mentioned balls to disclose what exactly was in these capital shipyards, and not try to play it off like it had a carrier in that array. Please follow Seleene's example from when they lost their baby mom.
So basically,anything they say that you dont want to hear your going to credit to their lack of balls? Right....
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:35:00 -
[711]
Edited by: Esurnir on 30/03/2007 01:32:53
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 30/03/2007 01:18:37
Silly me, that system does have a station. I guess well have to wait for either side to cough up the evidence.
With a station in system, the probability to see a titan bpo is probably near -10. If the bpo is safe at the station (I don't know sadly how it works about pos loss) then there will never be a proof that there was a titan ever produced there, unless a spy/rkk alt can show us a screen of the science and industry tab. Which is as you doubt, unlikely.
P.S. Did you warped out in time josh ?
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Murukan
Minmatar
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:38:00 -
[712]
Originally by: haxsploit 'n'logoffski
I certianly hope that BoB has the previously mentioned balls to disclose what exactly was in these capital shipyards, and not try to play it off like it had a carrier in that array. Please follow Seleene's example from when they lost their baby mom.
That's kind of a double edged sword really. If in truth it was a mom and they say it was a mom everyone will go "rabble rabble you're spinning the truth" :|
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:40:00 -
[713]
Edited by: Phoebus Athenian on 30/03/2007 01:40:52
Originally by: Kozak
Originally by: Optimo
Figures I miss out on something like this.
Don't compare other games. World of Warcraft has over a million members and their petitions get answered within 2/3 days and resolved quick. CCP has much less then that and can't answer a petition within a month.
What I am comparing is how many players other games have in the same location.
Eve is already pushing the boundaries...
WoW has a bazillion different servers, it doesn't matter if the subscribers are millions if each servers only lets so many in.
I've pvped on WoW as well, especially with my buddy's eng-game druid.. for fun.
Its nothing like eve's concetration of players in one place.
You're comparing too... and WoW has a few GM's PER server which makes things faster for them.
Agreed eve probably needs to hire some more GMing staff...
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:40:00 -
[714]
Originally by: haxsploit 'n'logoffski
I certianly hope that BoB has the previously mentioned balls to disclose what exactly was in these capital shipyards, and not try to play it off like it had a carrier in that array. Please follow Seleene's example from when they lost their baby mom.
But what if they didn't? I don't think the members of the coalition could bear to believe there wasn't a baby titan in that pos, even if that was the truth, it would break their little hearts.
So either way, they are going to think there was one in there at the end of the day no matter what, so what is the point?
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Lee Chinnick
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:40:00 -
[715]
Originally by: Marko Zhang
WTB: Molle's Balls
In case anyone saw them floating around and scooped 'em.
Yeh i saw some suspicous looking guy leaving the area thinking no one saw him
http://chalkhills.org/images/misc/BagsOfFun.jpg
Dont want to get in trouble just a funny pic. dont click if offended easily
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Cazziel
Karjala Inc.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:41:00 -
[716]
Would have been a nice party if we would had get through 319! But we didn't, still lagging in the char selection I just hope these fights won't be like that any longer. This is non-sense.
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Pat Bello
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:42:00 -
[717]
Originally by: Draxxxion
Originally by: haxsploit 'n'logoffski
I certianly hope that BoB has the previously mentioned balls to disclose what exactly was in these capital shipyards, and not try to play it off like it had a carrier in that array. Please follow Seleene's example from when they lost their baby mom.
So basically,anything they say that you dont want to hear your going to credit to their lack of balls? Right....
Or they dont have the balls to admit that there might be no baby titans inside that POS. lol It is hillarious to see grown up men acting like kids.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:43:00 -
[718]
Originally by: Esurnir
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Silly me, that system does have a station. I guess well have to wait for either side to cough up the evidence.
With a station in system, the probability to see a titan bpo is probably near -10. If the bpo is safe at the station (I don't know sadly how it works about pos loss) then there will never be a proof that there was a titan ever produced there, unless a spy/rkk alt can show us a screen of the science and industry tab. Which is as you doubt, unlikely.
P.S. Did you warped out in time josh ?
Surprisingly enough my tempest is still in one piece and i even managed to kill a few things. I think i took some shield damage once ^_^
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haxsploit 'n'logoffski
Minmatar
The Science of War
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:44:00 -
[719]
Originally by: Draxxxion
So basically,anything they say that you dont want to hear your going to credit to their lack of balls? Right....
Well, right now we have so many BoB fanboi's running around trying to lick BoB's... well, we've talked enough about them already... by trying to claim that it wasn't a Titan.
maybe the fanboi's and the haters should just wait for Sirmolle or DBP, or Dianabolic or whoever feels up to making an offical statement of what happened.
i personally don't think anyone would ever go through the retarded effort of building carriers / dreads out of an array when they could use a station facility. not even for a diversion. the time and effort would be a complete waste. I'm lazy though.
i am just made happy when ships explode, specifically BoB ships... for some reason i never liked them... but they're growing on me now that they only post on these forums with their alts these days. I kinda wish the Coalition members would stop shouting "OMGWTFdevhax" any time they get lagged in a fight with BoB... ok, now i'm off topic... good job to everyone who did some pew pew today... |
Howling Jinn
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:44:00 -
[720]
Originally by: Esurnir
Edited by: Esurnir on 30/03/2007 01:25:13
Originally by: Howling Jinn
5. surely with that many caps around and support, why not have a pickning and slaugther all the other pos's in the area?
First the capital shipyard was bubled to hell as you would expect and mc + bob cap fleet made a slaughter down there. Second, I personnaly had a 25 minute jump delay, 5 minute to activate a microwarpdrive and 2 to target a single blood raider battleship. You see the problem ?
not really? im gonna go on a wild guess here but surely the coalition has still a few caps alive and support? and its bob turf? .......shot stuff?
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:44:00 -
[721]
Why are you people trying to debate the concept of "loses" with russians?
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Howling Jinn
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:50:00 -
[722]
Originally by: Siva Calentis
Quote:
2. thanks to all for posting in here, took 4 hours of my worktime reading this, 10hour nightshifts isnt cool when working with heavy medicated psychos
Hows the police force treating you.
;)
so far tonight, 2 wreckings of crap(stuff that comes out of peoples rectums) hitting me, some blood spitted on me, lots of urin(my hands smell lovely), 7 punches, 2 kicks(1 close to my head).
institutions people, sweet places to work
im gonna go mine veldspar tomorrow!
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BCE 3AHRTO
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:51:00 -
[723]
and you wonder why there was lag? :)
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:52:00 -
[724]
If it was BoB and friends losing 57ish capitals and killing a POS with a capital assembly array, everyone would be saying, "OMG BOD IS DED NOW!" Instead of debating whether or not there actually was a titan in production in the array. Even if there was a Titan, would it change the fact the coalition lost 57 odd capitals in doing so? Maybe it would make them feel a bit better about it, which is what this thread has turned into. Coalition folks and their alts trying to make some kind of sense out of the huge beating they took today. Well I got some news for you, you lost, big time. Titan kill or not.
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Sadist
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:55:00 -
[725]
Originally by: Seleene
TBH?
WTS: Trit @ 8 isk per unit.
Leftovers from all those mining ops?
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Quote:
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Brother Funkyshades
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:56:00 -
[726]
Edited by: Brother Funkyshades on 30/03/2007 01:52:29
btw, how hard is it to put up a capship array?
(im seriously asking, i dont know)
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.30 01:59:00 -
[727]
Originally by: Troubadour
If it was BoB and friends losing 57ish capitals and killing a POS with a capital assembly array, everyone would be saying, "OMG BOD IS DED NOW!" Instead of debating whether or not there actually was a titan in production in the array. Even if there was a Titan, would it change the fact the coalition lost 57 odd capitals in doing so? Maybe it would make them feel a bit better about it, which is what this thread has turned into. Coalition folks and their alts trying to make some kind of sense out of the huge beating they took today. Well I got some news for you, you lost, big time. Titan kill or not.
Bingo was his nameo.
Don't hate me, learn to love me |
Riley Craven
Caldari
Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:00:00 -
[728]
I think really, if the coalition had 200+ cap ships in system like they said they did, the only surprising thing is that BoB didnt kill more of them.
Given the quality of their probers and the skill of the fleet, I'd find it hard to believe there were more than 100 of their cap ships actaully in system.
But meh I have been wrong before.
I'm just glad the coalition got tricked and kick in the teeth. BoB all the way.
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Diamond Dog
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:01:00 -
[729]
for those whining about how the server performance was crap and what not.
Plz point me towards a game that can handle 700 players in the same place without horrid lag and server drops.
and also it's not only the amount of players... there are ships fighters drones enviorment to load as well.
Also as a side note.
I don't think anyone should have anything reimbursed. You knew what you were getting yourselves into.
When will people figure out that even if the game offers the concept of massive fleets there are restriction to what the server and client hardware can handle.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:02:00 -
[730]
Originally by: AKULA UrQuan
Why are you people trying to debate the concept of "loses" with russians?
QFMFT
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:02:00 -
[731]
Sweet. I can't wait for my titan. I only need 700 t1 frigates to defend the capital shipyards. This should be fun.
did I mention I was recruiting?
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:04:00 -
[732]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Sweet. I can't wait for my titan. I only need 700 t1 frigates to defend the capital shipyards. This should be fun.
did I mention I was recruiting?
Honestly think of the damage 700 Rocket Kestrels could do
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
ishkabibble
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:05:00 -
[733]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Prince Akeem: Good morning my neighbors!
A neighbor: Hey, fu** you!
Prince Akeem: Yes, yes! Fu** you, too!
You sir, win this thread
Eddie Murphy Raw > Eddie Murphy Dr. Doolittle
This is my opinion, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without me, my opinion is nothing, without my opinion I am nothing..... |
Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:06:00 -
[734]
Originally by: DeathGrip
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Sweet. I can't wait for my titan. I only need 700 t1 frigates to defend the capital shipyards. This should be fun.
did I mention I was recruiting?
Honestly think of the damage 700 Rocket Kestrels could do
Yeah take down a dread in a few seconds and we can just keep coming back while the attacking force is still trying to get in their support fleet.
Please do not edit moderator sig comments. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) |
Nostic
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:08:00 -
[735]
Originally by: Riley Craven
I think really, if the coalition had 200+ cap ships in system like they said they did, the only surprising thing is that BoB didnt kill more of them.
They didn't have 200 in system. They had 200 ready, but only 80 or so were able to jump because of lag or queues or whatever. Out of the 80 who jumped, only around 30 managed to load the grid and start shooting the POS.
Had all 200 managed to get in system and load the grid, things would have been very different in many ways.
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boogaboob
Caldari
BIG Advanced Assault
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:09:00 -
[736]
Edited by: boogaboob on 30/03/2007 02:06:40
You know what this is?
This is the BEST outcome evar!
Why?
Because everyone's happy, and everyone wins!
The Coalition achieved their goal, with their apparently expected losses of 50 dreadnaughts. Happy!
BoB, on the other hand, killed an extremely impressive number of capital ships. So they're happy. And the BoB pets can console themselves with those said capital ship kills. They can also make themselves believe there wasn't a titan cooking in there. Thus, happy.
So everyone should be happy. But they're not. WHY NOT? CAN WE NOT ACCEPT THE HAPPINESS OF BOTH SIDES?
Sheesh, these forums make me sick. I'm out.
Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
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Kriz Lupin
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:14:00 -
[737]
BoB lost a titan. CCP will replace it.
IM tired of this crap
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Farham
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:15:00 -
[738]
The real question to ask is what will stop 100+ capitals from cleansing a system, any system, when the attack ISN'T expected.
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CyberChick
The Ghost Riders
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:18:00 -
[739]
Wouldn't this all just be simpler if CCP put up a news item about "baby titan killed in system blah blah" or "x number of capitals ships destroyed in battle to kill an empty capital yard..." After all they would have the logs of the destruction and what was cooking inside...
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Enthes goldhart
Gallente
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:18:00 -
[740]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Sweet. I can't wait for my titan. I only need 700 t1 frigates to defend the capital shipyards. This should be fun.
did I mention I was recruiting?
atually u only need 400 and then noone else can enter the system
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:20:00 -
[741]
Originally by: Farham
The real question to ask is what will stop 100+ capitals from cleansing a system, any system, when the attack ISN'T expected.
The fact that you have to attack twice to cleanse it. The first attack may not be expected but everyone gets a time and date for the second one.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:26:00 -
[742]
Originally by: CyberChick
Wouldn't this all just be simpler if CCP put up a news item about "baby titan killed in system blah blah" or "x number of capitals ships destroyed in battle to kill an empty capital yard..." After all they would have the logs of the destruction and what was cooking inside...
Actually ccp wouldn't do that because BOB may not have had a titan in their and CCP would foil a possible (keyword right their) tinfoil theory by BOB to out drama bomb BE. If BOB did have a titan in their, its their job to tell people.
CCP will probally mention it in the news in a few weeks when everything is calmed down and panned out.
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Originally by: Ductoris
At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Berneh
LEGI0N
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:26:00 -
[743]
so who won in the end ?
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Rule2k
Fate.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:29:00 -
[744]
me
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:32:00 -
[745]
Originally by: Berneh
so who won in the end ?
Can't tell. Two outcomes remain:
1. The collation did kill a baby titan and lose 50+ caps. This outcome allows both partys to be happy with the results.
2. Their was no titan in their and BOB just spanked the coalition.
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Originally by: Ductoris
At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:32:00 -
[746]
Originally by: Berneh
so who won in the end ?
The one with the "I won" button of course !
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Thou shall pew pew.
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Gazelam
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:38:00 -
[747]
I feel compeled to say something reading through this thread. First of all, morale does not win wars. Morale is only good for getting people to fight in the first place (like the germans thinking they could take mother russia after smoking france). The coalition may have high morale from this fight which also means high pride; meaning they might deside to attack another pos and lose ~50 more dreads. That is all morale is good for. What wins wars is logistics, accurate information, firepower, and resourses. Meaning - this war is far from over. The japanese thought pearl harbor would break the Americans. They were wrong, the americans still had a fleet and restored many of their damaged ships. For those of you who hate WWII analogies. The death star was destroyed, but it was rebuilt. Try and learn something from history or you will become it. So keep saying "this is a moral victory" cause that may be the only gain in the long run (haven't you heard of a counter attack)?. This was not the last home system of BoB that was destroyed, look what RA has done from their war with only one system left. Thinking in the short term is going to get the coalition killed if they aren't careful. The question will be, will the quanitity of the Coalition defeat the quality of BoB in the end?
Second point - why cry about lag? Do you not think that if CCP had the power they would make it so millions of people could fight in one system - that they would make the best most profitable game they can? A game were you could land on planets and moons have massive varieties of ships and fight with every imaginable machine? They are working on it, and they are aware about lag! Do you think your spam will really make them go any faster?
P.S. your ships will not be pettitionable, you knew what you were getting into. (officer I swear the beer in my hand is not my fault)
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:42:00 -
[748]
Originally by: Riley Craven
Given the quality of their probers and the skill of the fleet, I'd find it hard to believe there were more than 100 of their cap ships actaully in system.
I had to switch up to Spook probes as it was taking so long to launch, select, analyze and see the results that even Fathoms were expiring before the results came up. I lost count of the number of BS I scanned down that despawned before I or my tacklers could lock and scramble them.
A significant number of the attacking capital fleet had technical problems and were unable to succesfully jump in. The success of BOB and allies in killing the cyno ships and cyno carriers certainly contributed to that.
Myn
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:42:00 -
[749]
Originally by: Zrevak Ashek
I beleive THIS to be CCP's vision for how fleetbattles should look, but tbfh, there will be some time b4 the technology catches up to that
Lol, kept wanting to scream "Focus fire!" :)
Koronos
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Asariasha
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:42:00 -
[750]
I think the most interesting part of todays battle was
the somehow extremly fast blocking of the POS system not
even concerning the numbers of combatants. So what happened
was that CCP lets coalition cap fleet jump in without support
and just closes the system while the major support fleet
is barred from the fight. So we had 700 in system. ~200-300 coalition
giving a rest of 400-500 BoB+allied while the insane
amount of estimated 500-700 other coalition fighters
are just not allowed to enter.
Tinfoil hat? Maybe, but the fairest decision of a GM
would have been to contact the FCs, ask for the numbers
each fleet has. Then just let 600 players move into that
system while concerning the apportionment of both fleets
in percentage.
This would have been a fair decision instead of just
excluding more than 60%! of the coalition forces.
With regards
Asa
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Euthanasia XXX
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:46:00 -
[751]
Originally by: Ferocious FeAr
Originally by: Troubadour
If it was BoB and friends losing 57ish capitals and killing a POS with a capital assembly array, everyone would be saying, "OMG BOD IS DED NOW!" Instead of debating whether or not there actually was a titan in production in the array. Even if there was a Titan, would it change the fact the coalition lost 57 odd capitals in doing so? Maybe it would make them feel a bit better about it, which is what this thread has turned into. Coalition folks and their alts trying to make some kind of sense out of the huge beating they took today. Well I got some news for you, you lost, big time. Titan kill or not.
Bingo was his nameo.
57? There are only ~26 capital kills posted on the BoB killboard.
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Valtaer
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:49:00 -
[752]
What I want to know is if anyone was cynical enough to actually keep track of their time in jump queue's and whatnot??? No one? Oh wait.... I was.
1st Traffic Control SVM-3K Gate Time: 19:35:27
Time when SVM-3K loaded: 20:15:57
Jump Queue at O-HDC 20:17:08
Time when O-HDC loaded 20:39:40
Here's the sweet one... Started loading PUIG-F at 20:40
Finished... wait for it... 21:37
My hat's off to you... the patient... the mighty... the sheep
The way I would fix this problem: Ban capital ships, ban alliances, ban POS's
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:52:00 -
[753]
Originally by: Asariasha
I think the most interesting part of todays battle was
the somehow extremly fast blocking of the POS system not
even concerning the numbers of combatants. So what happened
was that CCP lets coalition cap fleet jump in without support
and just closes the system while the major support fleet
is barred from the fight. So we had 700 in system. ~200-300 coalition
giving a rest of 400-500 BoB+allied while the insane
amount of estimated 500-700 other coalition fighters
are just not allowed to enter.
Tinfoil hat? Maybe, but the fairest decision of a GM
would have been to contact the FCs, ask for the numbers
each fleet has. Then just let 600 players move into that
system while concerning the apportionment of both fleets
in percentage.
This would have been a fair decision instead of just
excluding more than 60%! of the coalition forces.
With regards
Asa
I think their only perogative doing that was to keep the node online. After seeing what happened in JV1V and with the nodecrash issues there, limiting the numbers was about the only option they had to prevent a reoccurance.
Either way, the POS was taken down, and the attackers took the heavy losses they expected to take. Would any of this have changed if the Coalition were to jump 500 more people into system?
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Latest Vid: Domination! |
Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:52:00 -
[754]
Originally by: Gazelam
I feel compeled to say something reading through this thread. First of all, morale does not win wars. Morale is only good for getting people to fight in the first place (like the germans thinking they could take mother russia after smoking france). The coalition may have high morale from this fight which also means high pride; meaning they might deside to attack another pos and lose ~50 more dreads. That is all morale is good for. What wins wars is logistics, accurate information, firepower, and resourses. Meaning - this war is far from over. The japanese thought pearl harbor would break the Americans. They were wrong, the americans still had a fleet and restored many of their damaged ships. For those of you who hate WWII analogies. The death star was destroyed, but it was rebuilt. Try and learn something from history or you will become it. So keep saying "this is a moral victory" cause that may be the only gain in the long run (haven't you heard of a counter attack)?. This was not the last home system of BoB that was destroyed, look what RA has done from their war with only one system left. Thinking in the short term is going to get the coalition killed if they aren't careful. The question will be, will the quanitity of the Coalition defeat the quality of BoB in the end?
Second point - why cry about lag? Do you not think that if CCP had the power they would make it so millions of people could fight in one system - that they would make the best most profitable game they can? A game were you could land on planets and moons have massive varieties of ships and fight with every imaginable machine? They are working on it, and they are aware about lag! Do you think your spam will really make them go any faster?
P.S. your ships will not be pettitionable, you knew what you were getting into. (officer I swear the beer in my hand is not my fault)
bitter ?
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Asariasha
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:53:00 -
[755]
PS.: There is no real winner or looser of todays engagement.
I believe more interesting is the symbolic message
that BoB received today.
Coalition forces of approx 1000pilots. BoB space is
no longer safe and there is no real way to stop such
an extreme amount of pilots willing to crush down
BoB...except maybe in closing systems, BoD
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SpaceMonkey
Gallente
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:54:00 -
[756]
Originally by: Asariasha
I think the most interesting part of todays battle was
the somehow extremly fast blocking of the POS system not
even concerning the numbers of combatants. So what happened
was that CCP lets coalition cap fleet jump in without support
and just closes the system while the major support fleet
is barred from the fight. So we had 700 in system. ~200-300 coalition
giving a rest of 400-500 BoB+allied while the insane
amount of estimated 500-700 other coalition fighters
are just not allowed to enter.
Tinfoil hat? Maybe, but the fairest decision of a GM
would have been to contact the FCs, ask for the numbers
each fleet has. Then just let 600 players move into that
system while concerning the apportionment of both fleets
in percentage.
This would have been a fair decision instead of just
excluding more than 60%! of the coalition forces.
With regards
Asa
Regardless of what was or was not destroyed, today you sir win this thread in my opinion.This action by CCP however did not surprise me.
Good job to the coalition for doing what we stood out to accomplish.Not even letting anyone or anything stop it .The fact they are spinning it so hard should just make you smile.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:55:00 -
[757]
Originally by: Asariasha
I think the most interesting part of todays battle was
the somehow extremly fast blocking of the POS system not
even concerning the numbers of combatants. So what happened
was that CCP lets coalition cap fleet jump in without support
and just closes the system while the major support fleet
is barred from the fight. So we had 700 in system. ~200-300 coalition
giving a rest of 400-500 BoB+allied while the insane
amount of estimated 500-700 other coalition fighters
are just not allowed to enter.
Tinfoil hat? Maybe, but the fairest decision of a GM
would have been to contact the FCs, ask for the numbers
each fleet has. Then just let 600 players move into that
system while concerning the apportionment of both fleets
in percentage.
This would have been a fair decision instead of just
excluding more than 60%! of the coalition forces.
With regards
Asa
LOL, or maybe GM can just move the whole 700 strong coalition fleet on top of BoB capital fleet, and while they are at it, maybe put all BoB guns offline, so that you can actually win a fight and kill something without getting totally owned in the process. How would that work for you? Would that be better?
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IzzyChan
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:55:00 -
[758]
I had an awesome time today. \ ._. /
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 02:56:00 -
[759]
And guess what, today not a single node crashed afaik.
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Quote:
Thou shall pew pew.
Book of Revelation 12, 51 |
Kingdoc
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:00:00 -
[760]
After reading this entire post I am reminded of one thing; Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto's famous quote after the attack on Pearl Harbor, "I'm afraid we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled it with terrible resolve,".
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Wars of aggression are popular nowadays with those nations convinced that only victory and conquest could improve their material well-being.
~Ludwig von Mises |
Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:00:00 -
[761]
Originally by: Moonlight Express
...
Post with your main, coward.
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Quote:
Thou shall pew pew.
Book of Revelation 12, 51 |
Jammilia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:01:00 -
[762]
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Asariasha
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:02:00 -
[763]
Originally by: jamesw
...Would any of this have changed if the Coalition were to jump 500 more people into system?
Would a capital fleet survive longer with a support fleet behind them?
Yes, because without a supporting fleet the defending
party is able to directly engage the capitals.
Of course a node crash wouldn't have been a good thing
especially if you consider that usually node crashes
wherever they happen will take effect throughout the
whole EvE-Galaxy ^^
However, it would be just fair and more evenhanded if
GMs considered the amount of pilots in each fleet and
allowed to let them bring in each numbers in reference
to the overall numbers.
With regards
Asa
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Gazelam
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:02:00 -
[764]
quote]
bitter ?
Not bitter, just honest and sraightforth... something somewhat lacking in modern society. No reason to spin - it was just a battle... losses and gains occured on both sides. Have fun! its a game!
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Count Rayken
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:02:00 -
[765]
ohh, what this thread has been desintegrated into...
Pitiful.
Play the game, kill people, have a good time.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:07:00 -
[766]
Originally by: Asariasha
Originally by: jamesw
...Would any of this have changed if the Coalition were to jump 500 more people into system?
Would a capital fleet survive longer with a support fleet behind them?
Yes, because without a supporting fleet the defending
party is able to directly engage the capitals.
Of course a node crash wouldn't have been a good thing
especially if you consider that usually node crashes
wherever they happen will take effect throughout the
whole EvE-Galaxy ^^
However, it would be just fair and more evenhanded if
GMs considered the amount of pilots in each fleet and
allowed to let them bring in each numbers in reference
to the overall numbers.
With regards
Asa
Hey dude. Check this out. The text goes ALL the way across the screen, you don't have to constantly start new lines. No really, I'm doing it right now.
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Aramark
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:07:00 -
[767]
GF all.
thanks to BoB and there friends for the epic battles we are having.
i see and read alot of whining. but everyone wants to pvp. well there is alot of pvp now so why can't we just enjoy it.
GF to all the reds on my overveiw. it's a game have fun.
ara out o/
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Aasia: Are you implying you are mean by nature and it requires conscious choice on your part to fight your nature and be nice? Aramark:y |
jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:08:00 -
[768]
Originally by: Asariasha
Originally by: jamesw
...Would any of this have changed if the Coalition were to jump 500 more people into system?
Would a capital fleet survive longer with a support fleet behind them?
Yes, because without a supporting fleet the defending
party is able to directly engage the capitals.
Of course a node crash wouldn't have been a good thing
especially if you consider that usually node crashes
wherever they happen will take effect throughout the
whole EvE-Galaxy ^^
However, it would be just fair and more evenhanded if
GMs considered the amount of pilots in each fleet and
allowed to let them bring in each numbers in reference
to the overall numbers.
With regards
Asa
Yes the coalition cap fleet would have fared better with support. However if coalition support was in system, the node would have gone bye byes. From what I understand the BoB fleet in F-T was pretty much all capitals, with a few support for killing cynos. Their main support fleet was also 1 jump away.
The long and short of it is that the Coalition took on a very ballsy op to destroy a well defended target. Losses were always going to be huge. The node held thanks to support fleets staying clear, and both sides apparently got a satisfying outcome.
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Latest Vid: Domination! |
Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:08:00 -
[769]
Edited by: Orree on 30/03/2007 03:05:52
Originally by: Berneh
so who won in the end ?
I think anyone who read this thread or has posted in this thread lost.
30 pages of proof that this forum should just be nuked from orbit.
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Fray
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:10:00 -
[770]
Originally by: Valtaer
What I want to know is if anyone was cynical enough to actually keep track of their time in jump queue's and whatnot??? No one? Oh wait.... I was.
1st Traffic Control SVM-3K Gate Time: 19:35:27
Time when SVM-3K loaded: 20:15:57
Jump Queue at O-HDC 20:17:08
Time when O-HDC loaded 20:39:40
Here's the sweet one... Started loading PUIG-F at 20:40
Finished... wait for it... 21:37
My hat's off to you... the patient... the mighty... the sheep
The way I would fix this problem: Ban capital ships, ban alliances, ban POS's
Upstart, 2:40h hours, 8qt into SVM. :P 19:34 till I gave up and logged at 22:14.
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:10:00 -
[771]
Originally by: Euthanasia XXX
Originally by: Ferocious FeAr
Originally by: Troubadour
If it was BoB and friends losing 57ish capitals and killing a POS with a capital assembly array, everyone would be saying, "OMG BOD IS DED NOW!" Instead of debating whether or not there actually was a titan in production in the array. Even if there was a Titan, would it change the fact the coalition lost 57 odd capitals in doing so? Maybe it would make them feel a bit better about it, which is what this thread has turned into. Coalition folks and their alts trying to make some kind of sense out of the huge beating they took today. Well I got some news for you, you lost, big time. Titan kill or not.
Bingo was his nameo.
57? There are only ~26 capital kills posted on the BoB killboard.
Check MC's, ours, FIX's, aftermath's, Xelas', FATAL's, etc. I know we all have kills that are not on the BOB killboard.
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CelticWarrior
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:10:00 -
[772]
Well the 700 rule that was implemented tonight just killed eve.All anyone has to do now is just put 700 people in a hostile system and kill there pos and take the station and there is nothing those that have sovereignty in the system can do about it because you cant get in by jumping through the gates or by cyno or by portal also you can't log in if you logged off in the station, all doors are locked after the 700 number is reached, rinse and repeat from downtime to downtime until you have all there space.Never more than from this point on will the numbers that you can deploy be so important.
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Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:11:00 -
[773]
Edited by: Koronos on 30/03/2007 03:08:09
Originally by: jamesw
I think their only perogative doing that was to keep the node online. After seeing what happened in JV1V and with the nodecrash issues there, limiting the numbers was about the only option they had to prevent a reoccurance.
Either way, the POS was taken down, and the attackers took the heavy losses they expected to take. Would any of this have changed if the Coalition were to jump 500 more people into system?
What? Of course it would have. _if_ the node held, it would have allowed their support to engage the bob dreads and bs and not just leave all those bubbled cap ships to die. But of course I think your first point is probably valid, painful as it is, they had to do something to help the node stay alive after all the negative reaction to jv1v. The 700 number feels arbitrary to me, but honestly as much as Asa's idea sounds nice, theres no way it would have been practical.
Koronos
edit: and yeah, celticwarrior makes the perfect point there.
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Sadist
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:13:00 -
[774]
Originally by: Esurnir
And guess what, today not a single node crashed afaik.
What the hell is the difference between a totally unplayable game with 15 minute delay for grid loading/module activation and a crashed node? The game is still ******* unplayable.
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nickycakes
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:13:00 -
[775]
we didn't want those dreads anyway
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:15:00 -
[776]
A lot more of the coalition dreads would have been able to survive the siege if stront timers had been set properly on the goon pos and thus allowed titans to jump into the system.
Ah well, coalition said w/e and we are here now
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:16:00 -
[777]
Originally by: Kyguard
A lot more of the coalition dreads would have been able to survive the siege if stront timers had been set properly on the goon pos and thus allowed titans to jump into the system.
Ah well, coalition said w/e and we are here now
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FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:18:00 -
[778]
Originally by: Asariasha
I think the most interesting part of todays battle was
the somehow extremly fast blocking of the POS system not
even concerning the numbers of combatants. So what happened
was that CCP lets coalition cap fleet jump in without support
and just closes the system while the major support fleet
is barred from the fight. So we had 700 in system. ~200-300 coalition
giving a rest of 400-500 BoB+allied while the insane
amount of estimated 500-700 other coalition fighters
are just not allowed to enter.
Tinfoil hat? Maybe, but the fairest decision of a GM
would have been to contact the FCs, ask for the numbers
each fleet has. Then just let 600 players move into that
system while concerning the apportionment of both fleets
in percentage.
This would have been a fair decision instead of just
excluding more than 60%! of the coalition forces.
With regards
Asa
Its people like you that should just quite Eve all together. If you really believe what you posted just leave now. How can people honestly believe CCP plays favorites. Its a game and CCP is here to make money not friends.
BoB had x number of pilots in system already. Coalition jumps x number into system. CCP knew what the node could handle and capped it before it got to that point. Not to mention most big systems have a cap. Jita is normally around 600-800 max. They made it at least a little playable by capping it when they did. If they would of let x number jump in it wouldn't of been only coalition forces to jump. There were plenty of BoB allies waiting to jump as well.
I think you should be happy it was capped. So you didn't lose more ships than you did. Also who had the bright idea of jumping your cap fleet into system without support? We didn't hold a gun to your head did we? Also maybe next time don't bring 1000+ pilots to a pos war. Maybe we could play then.
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Togakure
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:18:00 -
[779]
Edited by: Togakure on 30/03/2007 03:14:47
All smack and lag aside, thanks all for the good times. Missed the climatic battle but I enjoyed the scraps I was fed afterwards.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:22:00 -
[780]
I should probably let this alone since the thread has moved on, but I can't
Originally by: xh'duality
Originally by: Buxaroo
update: someone linked me a picture: Cap Ship display if there ever was one
Damn.....thats a lot of cap ships.
Just to prove BOB did cause most of the lag purposly trying to safe theyre pos. But they cant break the will of a raging collition. Once again we see bob are using dirty tricks to save em sleft. Well this time they failed. Yes they might have killed alot of us cause we couldnt do anythign at all but we had the ballz to go in with what ever we had nomother what the outcome is going to be. about 800+ pilots who where not able to join the main fleet due lagg problem with in 8 jumps radious. GG
Originally by: Wrayeth
I was at the pos in my dread for pretty much the entire fight, and I had the lock bug the entire time. I'd begin locking something, it would finish and say "locked", then cycle back as if I'd only just started locking it. I never fired a single shot the entire time.
Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them.
Now, I don't like BoB and would like to see them destroyed, but this stuff is just utter crap. Here's BoB and allies going to be defending (as we believe) a TITAN-to-be. They know, or assume they are going to be attacked by something like 1000 ships and 200 capitals. They know there is going to be lag, and from everyone's experience it may take quite a while to perform any actions (including launching drones) once the S hits the F. So, they're not going to launch their drones as soon as they are in position?????? Come on!!
At the same time this argument
Originally by: Phoebus Athenian
Its awesome to see such huge fleets together.
Much committment on both sides to accomplish their goals.
That is to be respected...
However, you all know the technical limitations of the game (and ANY game).
I have not seen battles of even 100 vs 100 in another game, eve can do that
and a bit more before throwing about a lag of doom. Yes its a huge technical
challenge to have so many people in one node. CCP has done what it can so far
and is still trying to work on this technical challenge. They purchased a very
expensive SSD system, two of them. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498575&page=1
My point is, if everyone knows where the game cuts off, SPLIT your forces.
Would it be too hard for the two sides to allow similar numbers/types of forces
to jump in a system and have their fight?
Its obvious trying to outblob each other doesn't work, so lets be sane
and make more reasonable fights. Everybody keeps blaming CCP, I'm blaming you.
And admire you at the same time for your dedication BUT, you know the game limitations.
Split the fleets, do multiple attacks instead of focusing on one system.
I don't understand why everybody has to jump in one system and crowd the bejezus out of it ;)
I hope a good number of you enjoyed the fight semi-lag free, though I am
seeing a lot of posts about lagdeaths... which is to be expected.
This screenie says it all ;)
http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.03.29.21.25.25.jpg
doesn't hold any water either, nor does the argument that the coalition intentionally crashed the node in jv1 by bringing so many ships. With this much on the line, you're going to bring everything you have, and to argue that you "shouldn't"? Well, it just doesn't make any sense.
Koronos
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:23:00 -
[781]
Edited by: mazzilliu on 30/03/2007 03:22:54
Originally by: CelticWarrior
Well the 700 rule that was implemented tonight just killed eve.All anyone has to do now is just put 700 people in a hostile system and kill there pos and take the station and there is nothing those that have sovereignty in the system can do about it because you cant get in by jumping through the gates or by cyno or by portal also you can't log in if you logged off in the station, all doors are locked after the 700 number is reached, rinse and repeat from downtime to downtime until you have all there space.Never more than from this point on will the numbers that you can deploy be so important.
demanding to know why the 700 limit was implemented and why now instead of in jv1v or on a prescheduled date
also demanding to know if it's okay to totally lockdown a vital a system with a few hundred multiple account'ers sitting afk
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NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:26:00 -
[782]
Originally by: nickycakes
we didn't want those dreads anyway
Bob didnt want that baby titan? You know that isnt your joke to make.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:27:00 -
[783]
garishwinner,
you are both dumbass. do you remember t20?......no cheating there
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:34:00 -
[784]
Edited by: Righteous Fury on 30/03/2007 03:30:19
Originally by: Raivi
I just checked all of those killboards, MC has 2 dread that aren't on the BoB one, the rest are all repeats.
There are at least two from Slacker Industries' killtracker that have not been posted on BoB's tracker, due to theirs going down from high traffic. Mails are still being posted on BoB's board as we speak, seeing as it has just come back online.
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Teeta Sabes
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:35:00 -
[785]
this all remembers me on:
ey bob! bring your family!!!!
i will bring my family plus my cousins and their cousins and the sisters of their cousins (CA ofc)!!
omg the node crashed... omg the lag it was terrible.
what do you think why the lagg is so terrible? because you can only fight with numbers and nothing else.
if only D2 would have shown up then bobs allied wouldnt come to = 300 bob vs. 300-400 D2.
why must the goons come with 300 tech1 frigs? are they any value in a fight except the lagg-joker? i dont think so.
so pls go home with you "CCP helps BoB" theories and well developed tier3 tech2 tinfoil-hats... mkay?
im a fanboi i know ;)
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:36:00 -
[786]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Edited by: Righteous Fury on 30/03/2007 03:30:19
Originally by: Raivi
I just checked all of those killboards, MC has 2 dread that aren't on the BoB one, the rest are all repeats.
There are at least two from Slacker Industries' killtracker that have not been posted on BoB's tracker, due to theirs going down from high traffic. Mails are still being posted on BoB's board as we speak, seeing as it has just come back online.
It's possible if they were posted after I checked a few minutes ago. I'm going to bed now, I pass the counting duty to someone more awake. Goodnight everyone.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:37:00 -
[787]
Originally by: Euthanasia XXX
As for the rest, perhaps you should check them before suggesting any of those corps had a major influence on the outcome. ;)
Propaganda ftw
And perhaps, in your infinite wisdom, you would stop and realize that regardless of how many pilots from a certain faction showed up to the battle, anyone can get a final blow.
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:38:00 -
[788]
Edited by: Xeliya on 30/03/2007 03:39:31
Originally by: Euthanasia XXX
The MC KB is "down". As for the rest, perhaps you should check them before suggesting any of those corps had a major influence on the outcome. ;)
Propaganda ftw
Maybe you should read though this thread and the wrecks with names were posted by Seleene and that was just at the POS alone (41 Dreads 4 Carriers) Also wait a few days then check the BoB KB, so far its up to 35 Dreads 3 Carriers. Spinning fact ftl!
Originally by: Teeta Sabes
this all remembers me on:
ey bob! bring your family!!!!
i will bring my family plus my cousins and their cousins and the sisters of their cousins (CA ofc)!!
omg the node crashed... omg the lag it was terrible.
what do you think why the lagg is so terrible? because you can only fight with numbers and nothing else.
if only D2 would have shown up then bobs allied wouldnt come to = 300 bob vs. 300-400 D2.
why must the goons come with 300 tech1 frigs? are they any value in a fight except the lagg-joker? i dont think so.
so pls go home with you "CCP helps BoB" theories and well developed tier3 tech2 tinfoil-hats... mkay?
im a fanboi i know ;)
QFT we wern't even asked to come till a few hours before when you could see the 200-600 man blobs all over the map. Plus we poped a few T1 Goon frigs with no fittings  I wonder what they are for
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Euthanasia XXX
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:46:00 -
[789]
Originally by: Xeliya
Edited by: Xeliya on 30/03/2007 03:39:31
Originally by: Euthanasia XXX
The MC KB is "down". As for the rest, perhaps you should check them before suggesting any of those corps had a major influence on the outcome. ;)
Propaganda ftw
Maybe you should read though this thread and the wrecks with names were posted by Seleene and that was just at the POS alone (41 Dreads 4 Carriers) Also wait a few days then check the BoB KB, so far its up to 35 Dreads 3 Carriers. Spinning fact ftl!
Yes I did see that, but proof or stfu comes to mind :p
You would think that with such a "large morale hit to the Coalition", BoB would be sure to have these kill mails posted.
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F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:49:00 -
[790]
Originally by: Berneh
so who won in the end ?
The macro miners.
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:49:00 -
[791]
Edited by: Esurnir on 30/03/2007 03:46:06
If that battle was a trap to give a morale hit to the coalition then it's allready lost. There is no way in hell some bob alt gonna make me believe that this capital shipyard was there for **** and giggle and to trap a handfull of dreads.
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steamy
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:55:00 -
[792]
Originally by: Esurnir
Edited by: Esurnir on 30/03/2007 03:46:06
If that battle was a trap to give a morale hit to the coalition then it's allready lost. There is no way in hell some bob alt gonna make me believe that this capital shipyard was there for **** and giggle and to trap a handfull of dreads.
IF you are now saying that if is indeed the case the shipyard was empty, denying that might probably make sure the morale hit isn't too bad. Personally I think it's eve and it is possible, no matter what is being said by BoB or the Coalition. Denying the possibility is ehm not so smart..
Steamy
If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:55:00 -
[793]
Edited by: Xeliya on 30/03/2007 03:53:21
Originally by: Euthanasia XXX
Originally by: Xeliya
Edited by: Xeliya on 30/03/2007 03:39:31
Originally by: Euthanasia XXX
The MC KB is "down". As for the rest, perhaps you should check them before suggesting any of those corps had a major influence on the outcome. ;)
Propaganda ftw
Maybe you should read though this thread and the wrecks with names were posted by Seleene and that was just at the POS alone (41 Dreads 4 Carriers) Also wait a few days then check the BoB KB, so far its up to 35 Dreads 3 Carriers. Spinning fact ftl!
Yes I did see that, but proof or stfu comes to mind :p
You would think that with such a "large morale hit to the Coalition", BoB would be sure to have these kill mails posted.
Posting kill mails does not win you wars And the BoB KB has been down most of the fight and time after so be people who just couldn't post mails.
Originally by: Aliea Konovalev
Originally by: Berneh
so who won in the end ?
The macro miners.
QFT
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Tercano Nuruva
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:59:00 -
[794]
Edited by: Tercano Nuruva on 30/03/2007 03:58:01
Originally by: Euthanasia XXX
Originally by: Xeliya
Edited by: Xeliya on 30/03/2007 03:39:31
Originally by: Euthanasia XXX
The MC KB is "down". As for the rest, perhaps you should check them before suggesting any of those corps had a major influence on the outcome. ;)
Propaganda ftw
Maybe you should read though this thread and the wrecks with names were posted by Seleene and that was just at the POS alone (41 Dreads 4 Carriers) Also wait a few days then check the BoB KB, so far its up to 35 Dreads 3 Carriers. Spinning fact ftl!
Yes I did see that, but proof or stfu comes to mind :p
You would think that with such a "large morale hit to the Coalition", BoB would be sure to have these kill mails posted.
I don't know about where some of these numbers come from, but I guess we will not know the whole truth until late tomorrow. For those that must know however, at the present time:
KB's Checked: MC, BoB, Xelas, Aftermath, Fatal, FIX, Red, MM, Goon, D2, IRON, AAA.
Kills Posted / Loss Posted (15)
Kills Could Not Confirm (2)
Loss Posted / Kill not Posted (3)
Kill Posted / Loss not Posted (12)
Total: 31 Dreads, 1 Carrier.
I'm sure there will be more, but it's quite a bit off from some of the other numbers about.
Either way, both parties have had fun, and that is what matters.
Terc
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.03.30 03:59:00 -
[795]
Originally by: Raivi
I just checked all of those killboards, MC has 2 dread that aren't on the BoB one, the rest are all repeats.
So unless there are some killmails that haven't been posted on the BoB, MC, FIX, Slacker Industries, Aftermath, Xelas, or FATAL killboards (a definite possibility, and if anyone knows of any I'd appreciate a link), 26 Coalition dreads and 2 Coalition Carriers were killed during the siege. There was also a RAT dread that died a few hours earlier, I'm not sure the story behind that.
28 capital ships killed in one battle. That shatters the previous record. Congrats BoB and friends on the single biggest Dread slaughter in EvE history. However it looks like the figures of 40-55 that some people have been throwing around are hyperbole.
So far the Bob killboard hold 35 dreads and 3 carriers. Wait a day or 2 and you get an exact overview.
38 CS killed. numbers rising :)
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JForce
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:18:00 -
[796]
Can anyone confirm the following?
- GMs set a cap on the number of people that could be in that system?
- That cap was set after the defensive forces assembled?
- When was that cap known to each side?
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Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:20:00 -
[797]
Originally by: Diamond Dog
for those whining about how the server performance was crap and what not.
Plz point me towards a game that can handle 700 players in the same place without horrid lag and server drops.
and also it's not only the amount of players... there are ships fighters drones enviorment to load as well.
Also as a side note.
I don't think anyone should have anything reimbursed. You knew what you were getting yourselves into.
When will people figure out that even if the game offers the concept of massive fleets there are restriction to what the server and client hardware can handle.
A lot of stuff wasn't reimbursed for JV1, and today the devs knew about the fight before it began and managed to be prepared with a jitanode and it looks like *gasp* a hard-cap on the system, of all wonders.
I've been thinking they needed something like that for a while now, but I couldn't figure out how to make it workable, what with all the multialliance politicking that goes on in this game.
It was so much easier in Planetside, where they had something like 40/30/20 3way population splits for the three empires at war.
And for the person who's never seen a 100 vs 100 outside of Eve, you missed out. Planetside in its heydey topped that by a good bit, and added 3-way fightsùthe dirtiest cluster*ahem*s you've ever seenùinto the mix. Don't touch it now, though. It's a ghost of its former self, and the company that runs it's running a two-faced money-grab operation with adverts and fees nowadays :P
O_o Ah crap, I posted in one of these threads again. Excuse me while I go take a cold shower.
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Gee Lok
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:21:00 -
[798]
The SA forums are saying that it was the wrong pos.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:23:00 -
[799]
a hard cap on people in one system is ludicrously in favor of defenders
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:29:00 -
[800]
Edited by: Esurnir on 30/03/2007 04:26:03
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
a hard cap on people in one system is ludicrously in favor of defenders
/signed
The numerous fleets of either alliance that lost half of their member in a couple of jump due to ctd, that's something that is also a defender advantage, if the defender have to whine about something it's about getting ccp not to buy new server.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:31:00 -
[801]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
a hard cap on people in one system is ludicrously in favor of defenders
Yup
Originally by: Gee Lok
The SA forums are saying that it was the wrong pos.
Dude, SA folded about a year ago. And, wtf would we know about it anyway.
Koronos
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:32:00 -
[802]
Well, you don't storm a castle and not expect to lose a single man.
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JForce
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:37:00 -
[803]
Can anyone confirm the following?
- GMs set a cap on the number of people that could be in that system?
- That cap was set after the defensive forces assembled?
- When was that cap known to each side?
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:37:00 -
[804]
Edited by: Koronos on 30/03/2007 04:33:38
hey Fuujin, I'm stealing your poem for my bio. mail me ig if thats not cool.
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Sola Sola
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:43:00 -
[805]
Originally by: Asariasha
So what happened
was that CCP lets coalition cap fleet jump in without support and just closes the system while the major support fleet is barred from the fight. So we had 700 in system. ~200-300 coalition giving a rest of 400-500 BoB+allied while the insane amount of estimated 500-700 other coalition fighters are just not allowed to enter.
Bingo was his nameo
THAT is why all capitals should be reimbursed. The GM allowed our capitals to jump in without ANY SUPPORT!!!! Of course 50 are going to die. I can't BoB and buddies are over-looking this point. GMownage ftw I guess
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Howling Jinn
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:43:00 -
[806]
Originally by: Koronos
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
a hard cap on people in one system is ludicrously in favor of defenders
Yup
Originally by: Gee Lok
The SA forums are saying that it was the wrong pos.
Dude, SA folded about a year ago. And, wtf would we know about it anyway.
Koronos
Something Awful aka goon forums
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Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:43:00 -
[807]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
a hard cap on people in one system is ludicrously in favor of defenders
Not capping the system is ludicrously in favor of attackers allowing exploits like node crashing tbh. Isn't that why RA is on wining spree since they NAP-ed Goons (blobs)?
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:45:00 -
[808]
Originally by: Koronos
Edited by: Koronos on 30/03/2007 04:33:38
hey Fuujin, I'm stealing your poem for my bio. mail me ig if thats not cool.
It's a samurai death poem. So by all means :D
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Nostic
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:48:00 -
[809]
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
a hard cap on people in one system is ludicrously in favor of defenders
Not capping the system is ludicrously in favor of attackers allowing exploits like node crashing tbh. Isn't that why RA is on wining spree since they NAP-ed Goons (blobs)?
How would you know anything? You're never on the front.
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hybridundertaker
Amarr
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:55:00 -
[810]
hm long read, confusing info, usual crap.
great work for coalition if there was a titan in it. POS gank ftw.
good job bob to gank all the capships as saving tower and stuff wasnt an option anyway i believe.
will other poses also be worth 40++ capships i wonder thou :S
and how hard will bob defend them (this has probably given very high morale to their dread pilots)
pls next time more info and less crap in posts, its hard to read
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Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:55:00 -
[811]
Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 30/03/2007 04:51:51
Originally by: Nostic
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
a hard cap on people in one system is ludicrously in favor of defenders
Not capping the system is ludicrously in favor of attackers allowing exploits like node crashing tbh. Isn't that why RA is on wining spree since they NAP-ed Goons (blobs)?
How would you know anything? You're never on the front.
Stop posting with your alt and maybe I'll reply.
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Altar Mei
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 04:57:00 -
[812]
Originally by: Teeta Sabes
this all remembers me on:
ey bob! bring your family!!!!
i will bring my family plus my cousins and their cousins and the sisters of their cousins (CA ofc)!!
omg the node crashed... omg the lag it was terrible.
what do you think why the lagg is so terrible? because you can only fight with numbers and nothing else.
if only D2 would have shown up then bobs allied wouldnt come to = 300 bob vs. 300-400 D2.
why must the goons come with 300 tech1 frigs? are they any value in a fight except the lagg-joker? i dont think so.
so pls go home with you "CCP helps BoB" theories and well developed tier3 tech2 tinfoil-hats... mkay?
im a fanboi i know ;)
Do you even know what the composition of the goon fleet was? Is it your contention that 300 frigs do no damage? It's pretty clear that the 700 cap favored bob in this instance not that the node would of held anyway. Devs/GM's may not be purposely favoring bob but it is another instance of poor judgement calls.
Personally I hope all of you are consumed in digital fire.
Originally by: CCP Arkanon
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Manfred Sideous
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:03:00 -
[813]
All of todays events confirms one thing that has been confirmed in almost every other MMO.
You can only do so much with the ZERG.
Bonus Advice = Next time send 100 Lions instead of a 1000 sheep.
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Royaldo
Old Farts
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:04:00 -
[814]
so put short
coalition lost alot dreads
bob lost a pos
0utbreak has a titan
whose side is 0utbreak on?
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Manfred Sideous
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:07:00 -
[815]
Originally by: Royaldo
whose side is 0utbreak on?
Thats a closely held secret that only Backdoor Bandit and the Oz can answer.
Bonus Advice = Follow the yellow brick road
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:07:00 -
[816]
Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Note to self: write to CCP and tell them to spend money researching how to thwart pythons global interpreter lock, so it really can scale to multicore servers on a single node.*
Yeah. The hard cap is really unfair. Not sure how they'd fix it however :(
*And ask them to open source the change.
They run stackless python, so there's no global interpreter lock AFAIK.
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Ket Halpak
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:17:00 -
[817]
Wow! Sounds like some fight! This one is sure to go down in eve history! I just wish I could have been there, but RL comes first and I needed my beauty sleep :P
Everyone who participated in the fight need to send CCP some new hampsters, after that fight I can only assume they died from exuastion and now the dev's and GM's are running in the wheels, powering the nodes! Backup generators 4tw!
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Spud NoSkill
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:33:00 -
[818]
Well I had a good evening and although the lag was bad .. having patience paid off. I didn't get the killmail from the Apoc I killed solo and the loss hasn't been posted on the BoB killboard. Infact the KB is very light for kills 319 which makes me think KM's were turned off at one point.
Petition in for my killmail *dons tinfoil underwear*
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:35:00 -
[819]
Originally by: CelticWarrior
Well the 700 rule that was implemented tonight just killed eve.All anyone has to do now is just put 700 people in a hostile system and kill there pos and take the station and there is nothing those that have sovereignty in the system can do about it because you cant get in by jumping through the gates or by cyno or by portal also you can't log in if you logged off in the station, all doors are locked after the 700 number is reached, rinse and repeat from downtime to downtime until you have all there space.Never more than from this point on will the numbers that you can deploy be so important.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
If the hard limit on any system is 700 pilots, it makes it really easy to attack/defend an important target by just packing in numbers.
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:40:00 -
[820]
I believe it seems the majority had fun.
It is sad that CCP did not allow the limits to be known ahead of time. Now with a precedent established all a defender has to do is through 700 into the system and noone can enter. Same if an attacked can get 700 into a system no defenders can get in.
The coalition achieved its objective in this case, the POS was destroyed. What it was building was most likely either a titan or mothership.
The defensive forces also achieved a victory. They destroyed a large number of capital ships.
Noone will ever know for sure who lost more. It was a battle many gathered for, folks were more spread out.
It is clear though that surrounding systems need their own nodes in these cases.
It is also clear that CCP if they are going to impose a limit, need to do so in such a way that both sides have a chance to defend their ships. I realize that's difficult given the nature of the New Eden War but they need some way to ensure that the attacker and defender both can have support ships.
I'm not sure an even split would be fair considering the defender would also have a POSs defenses but something more needs to be done.
I'm glad that many found fun, and I"m glad that both sides found victories in their objectives :)
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Darth Luaza
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:41:00 -
[821]
Edited by: Darth Luaza on 30/03/2007 05:41:12
Well the solution to all this debaiting would be to forbit players with lower than 10 mil SP to enter 0.0 space. Or at least 5 mil SP
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Asylum Seaker
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:45:00 -
[822]
Originally by: Darth Luaza
Well the solution to all this debaiting would be to forbit players with lower than 10 mil SP to enter 0.0 space.
Dunno about that.. I went with about 4 mil and had the time of my life. Put the nubs strait into the oven I say, forge them in fire.
Memento Mori.
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Darth Luaza
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:47:00 -
[823]
Well everyone make alts and brings them into a system and blobs it .... thus the limit and lag would be achieved.
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:48:00 -
[824]
Edited by: Fuujin on 30/03/2007 05:47:23
Well now with the limiting knows i wonder how this will affect future big battles? defending? throw on extra accounts ot idle, it's 1 less enemy in the system.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:49:00 -
[825]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 30/03/2007 05:46:22
Originally by: Manfred Sideous
All of todays events confirms one thing that has been confirmed in almost every other MMO.
You can only do so much with the ZERG.
Bonus Advice = Next time send 100 Lions instead of a 1000 sheep.
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Let's hope that CCP changes the game mechanics towards more spontanious gameplay.
These 1000 people blobs only happen, because both sides have days to gather people for such a big 'event' that can have a big impact. Like one week not much happening and then the big strike.
Would be better, if it would require continous effort with a lot of smaller faster strikes, that also require faster reaction to achieve goals instead of one big bang every few weeks.
That way the strong ambitious involved military powers would battle it out over time and not like now, where there is one big date and every weekend warrior and his friend rushes to it, which only kills the node in the end.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:55:00 -
[826]
Edited by: Life reaper on 30/03/2007 05:52:50
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Note to self: write to CCP and tell them to spend money researching how to thwart pythons global interpreter lock, so it really can scale to multicore servers on a single node.*
Yeah. The hard cap is really unfair. Not sure how they'd fix it however :(
*And ask them to open source the change.
They run stackless python, so there's no global interpreter lock AFAIK.
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Errellion
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 05:58:00 -
[827]
Originally by: Darth Luaza
Edited by: Darth Luaza on 30/03/2007 05:41:12
Well the solution to all this debaiting would be to forbit players with lower than 10 mil SP to enter 0.0 space. Or at least 5 mil SP
I like that thought.
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Sahneschnitte
Amarr
Isk Generatoren online
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:03:00 -
[828]
Edited by: Sahneschnitte on 30/03/2007 06:01:30
Edited by: Sahneschnitte on 30/03/2007 06:00:54
capital lost on BOTH sides of sure...
Shown not on Killbords?
( looks like petition is in progress )
Endless lag ... which shows that ccp had to handle to make fights like this possible..
Realy Good work Coalition.
U end up the " Mythos " of the "overpower" of BOB force.
NOONE will STOP u in Future if u be a unit against the Enemies.
I m pretty sure , if u do much more like this, Bob will go smaller in future. ( in fleets and words and in his actions).
This action show more charism of all pilots (if they where diffrent in minds or enemies long time ago) to be a " unit" against a ???? ( woud be sniped if i say this), then ever.
GO ONE Coaltion . End up them.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:03:00 -
[829]
Now I guess the attackers will just have to pack 700 into a system and hold it until the objectives are completed. I'm sorry, but this stinks of GM interference. CCP has had over a month since the LV siege to sort this out and enough notice to dedicate a node for BoB, but not enough to let anybody know about this "limitation" before the ships were in system and being lost. Bringing 1000 vs. 500 isn't exactly the same as jumping 300 into 400 in a lag-filled system.
You can bet on one thing though, the next time this happens, there won't be any losses, because the first fleet in the system will have 700 pilots, alts, and noob corps clogging the system to limit the amount of enemies allowed in.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:11:00 -
[830]
Originally by: NATMav
Now I guess the attackers will just have to pack 700 into a system and hold it until the objectives are completed. I'm sorry, but this stinks of GM interference. CCP has had over a month since the LV siege to sort this out and enough notice to dedicate a node for BoB, but not enough to let anybody know about this "limitation" before the ships were in system and being lost. Bringing 1000 vs. 500 isn't exactly the same as jumping 300 into 400 in a lag-filled system.
You can bet on one thing though, the next time this happens, there won't be any losses, because the first fleet in the system will have 700 pilots, alts, and noob corps clogging the system to limit the amount of enemies allowed in.
I M sure this woud be comeas answer
These are " Game mechanics" etc....This is how the game work atm and legal so ....
another possible backdoor for ppls who know it etc....
CCP had to sort out this or find a way to limit a fleet so long as they had sort it out.
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Viper ShizzIe
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:12:00 -
[831]
Oh noez, BOB LOST A POS? The end is truly near.
Time to pack up and move to Jita guys. These guys really rock us.
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Naxxiz
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:12:00 -
[832]
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
It is sad that CCP did not allow the limits to be known ahead of time. Now with a precedent established all a defender has to do is through 700 into the system and noone can enter. Same if an attacked can get 700 into a system no defenders can get in.
So secret that its in a dev blog.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=368
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:17:00 -
[833]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 29/03/2007 22:31:20
Confirmed wrecks at the site of the battle where the POS was. More down in system.
Amarr Dreadnought Wreck
Tyrrax Thorrk
Duke Rottingham
Burzhuj
Olath Sargtlin
White Sorceress
GodLight
Badshah
Caldari Dreadnought Wreck
Jim Lovell
d0omer
Carlow
Silmas
Archangel Deck
crusader77
Minmatar Dreadnought Wreck
Voltaire Leriel
Anthoni MIner
ArchE
Solene Solux
SokolD
TheSizzler
Awalance
Nolon3
Great Mogul
Fred0
Terrorisma
Gallente Carrier Wreck
Pervis deux
Shark
0mega
Bjarg
Gallente Dreadnought Wreck
Sheron Cristal
Kozak
XaHyPuK
Koldyr
Eutectic
Alexey
MEP3OCTb
Curtain
Bestia Negra
Barry Mcintosh
Zeppeline
Buddrow
Legionar
Ottar
Ramius
Lunas Feelgood
Vinzenz
Did anyone bring a salvager
Originally by: Jiekon/CCP
If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:19:00 -
[834]
Originally by: Naxxiz
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
It is sad that CCP did not allow the limits to be known ahead of time. Now with a precedent established all a defender has to do is through 700 into the system and noone can enter. Same if an attacked can get 700 into a system no defenders can get in.
So secret that its in a dev blog.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=368
Never been enforced before, why enforce it in this battle? Your pointing to a blog that is over 6 months old, we all know that there was no cap previously in the LV1V battle, not sure any other has gotten that high.
CCP could have come out and stated it clearly and precisely that there would be a future limit on a system as a result of LV1V, but they didn't.
They also should have divided the limit between the defenders and attackers more evenly giving a more even battlefield.
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:30:00 -
[835]
Originally by: Wrayeth
I was at the pos in my dread for pretty much the entire fight, and I had the lock bug the entire time. I'd begin locking something, it would finish and say "locked", then cycle back as if I'd only just started locking it. I never fired a single shot the entire time.
Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them.
Cheap tactics......?
As to all the support fleets trying to jump D-3, where FATAL, was at the gate, first wave 120, second wave, then 3rd wave, and we where lagged out, effective way to kill a defender, if they cant shoot you, you dont die.
Originally by: Jiekon/CCP
If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
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Wicke
Gallente
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:35:00 -
[836]
FFS people. One person mentioned the '700 cap'. Now three pages later, its suddenly fact. Is there anyone or any information that this was how CCP dealt with the node beyond someones speculation?
Now I see why COAD is seriously worse then the British Papprazzi. Come on guys. Get your head out of your A**.
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UGWidowmaker
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:57:00 -
[837]
hehe. thats more dreads than a titan cost :)
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GREEKMAN
Gallente
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:06:00 -
[838]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
So Proof or STFU......
STFU ... Xelas Fleet Admiral... What Fleet noobssszzZZZZzzz ?
You are bull****, traitors of PA and BOB's slaves !!!
For all this total noobs STFU and you haven't right to talk about this battle. STFU
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Womble God
Gallente
Thw Womblers
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:06:00 -
[839]
Originally by: Wicke
FFS people. One person mentioned the '700 cap'. Now three pages later, its suddenly fact. Is there anyone or any information that this was how CCP dealt with the node beyond someones speculation?
Now I see why COAD is seriously worse then the British Papprazzi. Come on guys. Get your head out of your A**.
The 700 man cap is a fact, D2 was trying to use its titan to bring over 200 people and a GM said that there was a 700 man cap on the system and would not allow the jump through.
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GREEKMAN
Gallente
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:22:00 -
[840]
Edited by: GREEKMAN on 30/03/2007 07:18:09
- The winner is . . . Laggggg !!!
- The lag is ally of BODs for one more time ... it's all classic !!!
- We pay euros for lag and bull****.
PS-1 : You know the "malakas" ? We are all malakes.
PS-2 : Re ante gamh8hte malakes eseis kai to paixnidi sas.
PS-3 : Out.
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Xthril Ranger
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:23:00 -
[841]
Originally by: Plan Neun
Finaly Reikoku RKK got the taste of defeat and what a loss means.
I thank the coalition for making a fast abortion on that titan baby, + the other ships that got build, and the loss of the bpo.
loss of BPO was probably a bad joke. there is a station in system and rkk know what they are doing.
you'll never jump alone
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Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:28:00 -
[842]
Originally by: Darth Luaza
Edited by: Darth Luaza on 30/03/2007 05:41:12
Well the solution to all this debaiting would be to forbit players with lower than 10 mil SP to enter 0.0 space. Or at least 5 mil SP
Well that would pretty much remove Goonswarm alliance out of 0.0 space
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:31:00 -
[843]
Originally by: Womble God
The 700 man cap is a fact, D2 was trying to use its titan to bring over 200 people and a GM said that there was a 700 man cap on the system and would not allow the jump through.
Unbelievable. I find it hard to believe someone could be so blatantly biased as to do a thing like that. So I choose to believe that there was not foul play involved to such an extent.
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Pastora
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:37:00 -
[844]
The 700 man cap in the system is the fact! Actually, it felt to be much lower, around 500-600, but I guess the system was also counting those who were still jumping in. And the cap was a HUGE surprise for us >> largest (by huge margin) part of our fleet didn't even manage to enter the system, most of those who did >> crashed very soon after that.
Let's see what CCP says now in their press releases about 1000 people "fighting" in the same system...
Anyway, the mission was accomplished even under such circumstances. But the devs and GMs should sit and think very carefully now, what the sequencies will be from now on with the presence of the capacity limits for one system. You don't need to be smart, to figure it out...
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:38:00 -
[845]
I'd like to see a GM confirm 700, Jita has more than 700 people most of the time and the lag there is bearable.
I'm always amased where everybody gets these facts from , there thumb ??
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:40:00 -
[846]
Originally by: GREEKMAN
Edited by: GREEKMAN on 30/03/2007 07:18:09
- The winner is . . . Laggggg !!!
- The lag is ally of BOBs for one more time ... it's all classic !!!
- We pay euros for lag and bull****.
PS-1 : You know the "malakas" ? We are all malakes.
PS-2 : Re ante gamh8hte malakes eseis kai to paixnidi sas.
PS-3 : Out.
some1 is a bad mood today.
I predict why :-)
Mods you can moderate the PS2 line if you like :-)
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Harry Colorado
UK Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:42:00 -
[847]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Womble God
The 700 man cap is a fact, D2 was trying to use its titan to bring over 200 people and a GM said that there was a 700 man cap on the system and would not allow the jump through.
Unbelievable. I find it hard to believe someone could be so blatantly biased as to do a thing like that. So I choose to believe that there was not foul play involved to such an extent.
I think everyone has to suffer from time to time. Reminds me when a GM crashed the JV1V node about 20mins before the POS was about to come out of reinforce. Unfortunately he forgot to crash MD- too so all the attacking forces could jump into an almost undefended gate while the defending forces lost their structure and tried desperatly (for hours) to log back in.
Its a pain if you dont always have the advantage on your side aint it?
No need to answer... I know the answer myself.
No need to flame me... I am not gonna reply anymore.
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Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:43:00 -
[848]
tip of the day to Devs:
make a cap on how much stront in L towers.. limit it to 24-48h that way the attackers has to stay in the system with the siege and not a the "make a date"-warfare we have now. also it would make alliance stay close to their own space with their fleets since they would need to have fast response time if their home is under attack.
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esquimo leviticus
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:44:00 -
[849]
Originally by: GREEKMAN
Edited by: GREEKMAN on 30/03/2007 07:18:09
- The winner is . . . Laggggg !!!
- The lag is ally of BOBs for one more time ... it's all classic !!!
- We pay euros for lag and bull****.
It was laggy for sure, lmao at the fact that you think that bob never suffered any lag, must be the anti-lag rigs that bob make.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:50:00 -
[850]
Originally by: Harry Colorado
I think everyone has to suffer from time to time. Reminds me when a GM crashed the JV1V node about 20mins before the POS was about to come out of reinforce. Unfortunately he forgot to crash MD- too so all the attacking forces could jump into an almost undefended gate while the defending forces lost their structure and tried desperatly (for hours) to log back in.
I'm not gonna flame you. I'm just not gonna believe that the GM's actually did such a biased thing because going by the numbers it looks pretty spot on to cause us as much damage as possible. 700 is exactly the defending force and most of our caps and then comes player cap comes into play when we try and get our support in? It's so outrageous you can only laugh.
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Mss Alt
Gallente
The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 07:55:00 -
[851]
What I find strange on these forums is that D2, IRON, RZR, RA, GOON & CO refer to themselves as the coalition while the Xelas, Coreli and LV guys refer to themselves as BOB.
Coalition statement: "We killed the POS".
BOB&pets statement: "BOB killed lots of capital ships".
Grow a backbone please.
Not pets right?
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Perpello
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:01:00 -
[852]
Originally by: Mss Alt
What I find strange on these forums is that D2, IRON, RZR, RA, GOON & CO refer to themselves as the coalition while the Xelas, Coreli and LV guys refer to themselves as BOB.
Coalition statement: "We killed the POS".
BOB&pets statement: "BOB killed lots of capital ships".
Grow a backbone please.
Not pets right?
/emote waves BoB flag.
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Xthril Ranger
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:03:00 -
[853]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Harry Colorado
I think everyone has to suffer from time to time. Reminds me when a GM crashed the JV1V node about 20mins before the POS was about to come out of reinforce. Unfortunately he forgot to crash MD- too so all the attacking forces could jump into an almost undefended gate while the defending forces lost their structure and tried desperatly (for hours) to log back in.
I'm not gonna flame you. I'm just not gonna believe that the GM's actually did such a biased thing because going by the numbers it looks pretty spot on to cause us as much damage as possible. 700 is exactly the defending force and most of our caps and then comes player cap comes into play when we try and get our support in? It's so outrageous you can only laugh.
It is pretty drastic to change where the best position to place your reinforcements is after the fleets have been deployed.
you'll never jump alone
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Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:05:00 -
[854]
So here is my side of the story.
I get the message a couple of days ago about an epic event soon to happen. o'boy o'boy!
I spent Wednesday evening and thursday thinking about how to explain my wife that i simply could not do any housecleaning or sit in the couch with her.
So fleet start moving to target system. /me shivered of excitement. We then settled at first waypoint to gather the fleet. About 200+ D2 + capshipfleet. The lag in assembly system is bearable.. Suddenly local increase from 200 to 450... ooow. All blues. Bang, local 600 allies. Bugger. 1-2 fps at the pos. The amount of cap ships is astounishing. Ppl starts to get impatient. Then local decrease, capfleet is moving and allies fleet move closer to destination. Then FINALLY we get the order. Move to titan and get rdy for jumpbridge! Yay!
Jumpbridge up. Gogogogo! I activate jumpbridge (jump to F-Te1t) and shiver in excitement. Then.. nothing happens. Activate again, nothing happens. Message "you are number xx in the jumpin queue. Cleared for jump in xx minutes. Huh?
After 3 jumpbridges 90% of D2 fleet has still not jumped. Everyone got the same message.
Meanwile we get different intel regarding Cap POS. Its going down! But so are an insane number of allied cap fleet. Damnit! Im still stuck in another system.
Enemy POS DOWN!
FC gives the call. All pilots to gate. Get rdy for jumpin. 180 D2 pilots on the gate in 3 to go. Jump jump jump the FC yells. I activate gate. 80 hostiles reported on other side. Hmmm... nothing happens. Oh well.. guess i will have to be patient. 10 minutes pass. 15 minutes. Nothing yet. 30 minutes, still nothing has happened. Oh well. I log on another char while i keep an eye on my main. After an hour and a half i realise that ill never get through that gate and log my main.
I take a look at my wife. I can hear the grumbles from her. ****, im gonna die to a fryingpan now. Ahh well.
Theres my evening.
So about achievements and losses.
The isk killed vs isk lost is irrelevant in my eyes.
We killed a potential Titan cap array. BoB killed alot of capships.
Both parts participated in the largest battle in eve history. BoB and allies defended it as well as possible, bearing in mind that the coalition assembled the biggest capfleet in eve history.
For both parties the lag was unbearable.
But the critics of the coalition also have to realise this. The coalition has proved that we can work together as 1 team. I do not know the exact number of the total coalition numbers. But i guess somewhere between 600 - 1000 pilots were assembled. Pluss about 200 capfleet pilots. That counts.
All in all i think both parties did a tremendous job reaching their goals. I for one think that BoB realised they could prevent the loss of the pos, but tried to inflict as much dmg as possible. ANd they did.
Also i wanna add this. The Capfleet losses from the coalition side is spread over many alliances and thus isnt a unbearable loss for each alliance. I am sure that each alliance can replace their cap ships easily. But nevertheless. The amount of capships that bob and allies killed is the biggest amount of capships killed in eve history and probably will stay that way for a long time.
I wanna congratulate to both parties for a job well done. But next time i hope to be there in my megathron of doom before i lag out and die on the field of battle. If i manage to fire 1 volley i will die and sleep well :D
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Viale
Skull and Bones Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:09:00 -
[855]
Sooooo ccp... ...
You begin by letting the defending side get its act together in system.
You then watch as the offensive forces move in their navy, knowing full well that they will be relying on their support fleets to sustain the capital vessels.
Meanwhile the coalition believes that it will overwhelm the defenders.
Finally you impose a cap on the system so that bob and co can strut their stuff whilst the coalition suffer because you neglected to mention something about support fleets being barred from entry?
I take comfort in knowing that Bob and co were still castrated by only a marginal portion of the full force of the coalition.
Your balls are gone matey. Coalition owns them from now on. Anyone for ping pong?
*salute coalition*
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Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:10:00 -
[856]
Originally by: Plan Neun
Finaly Reikoku RKK got the taste of defeat and what a loss means.
I thank the coalition for making a fast abortion on that titan baby, + the other ships that got build, and the loss of the bpo.
You've been smoking too much of the stuff your corp is named after mate. The BPO didnt die (hello remote manufacturing)
To the people bleating on about the population cap, if it happened live with it. 700 people under those circumstances would have killed the node. "Reinforced" does not mean "bloody invincible node". Unless a node death was your intention of course (and since youe ethos is most certainly quantity over quality...)
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:13:00 -
[857]
There is no point in complaining about 700 players in local cap. Majority of other MMORPGs can't handle even 300 players in a same place. Don't blame CCP. Blame hardware.
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Kerkar
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:39:00 -
[858]
I was defending and let me tell you it was laggy to such a level as ive never seen. Warping to a gate took about 20-30 mins and then when it came time to jump though i went off made a drink came back, read the forums, waited, waited, watched the kiwi video and then it loaded. Bulk of time was spent in stupid lag, but i managed to scramble some cap ships at the end.
Suffice to say really is a good showing all round, bring on round 2 :D
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:41:00 -
[859]
Edited by: Major Stormer on 30/03/2007 08:37:08
Lag sucked end of story.
Personally Im appalled that CCP didnt think to put each blockade and surrounding system on its own node, would have at least been playable for both sides then. I expected to jump in shoot something and die, I couldnt even jump in.
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Sufjan Stevens
Bauhaus Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:41:00 -
[860]
Originally by: Kriz Lupin
BoB lost a titan. CCP will replace it.
IM tired of this crap
Good leave, im sick of people like you who just spam random crap on here
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:41:00 -
[861]
Something should be changed in 0.0 warfare ,i mean the Gm caped the amount off people alowed in there ?I agree with this ,but if the defense puts 600 people there the attackers can get only 100?
I f anything the Coagiliton just showed to bob and pets that their balls are bigger than yours.
They jumped their capitals without support ,and poped your POS now that is courage/stupidity either way coalition won to me ,not because they "killed" a babytitan but because they can form a fleet off alot of capitals and that is fear.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:46:00 -
[862]
Though I don't really have a stake in this, I do have to wonder what would have happened if the 700 limit hadn't been in place. Certainly, some warning would have been preferable to the way things played out, but considering how horrific lag apparently was even as things were, I can't imagine it would have gone much differently from the following:
Coalition: CHARGE! Everybody JUMP!
BoB: Here they come! YAAR!
Server: Ack! Thud.
... The node just wasn't going to handle it. Am I wrong? I mean, the outcome was dreadful; how much worse would it have been if the 700-player limit hadn't been there? Especially if what happened really did represent only a tiny fraction of the Coalition's strength? Was there any way the node -wasn't- going to die a horrible, choking death? And if it did, was there any way BoB -wasn't- going to benefit, since any scenario involving server death worked out well for them?
The plan worked (albeit at a too-high cost); the POS went down, despite its defenses. Filing of petitions for ships lost to lag seems totally appropriate, but the talk of lag-as-conspiracy seems pretty far fetched. If the system had crashed, the POS would be safe and the screaming about CCP favoring BoB would be all the louder.
EVE's engine just doesn't seem to be built for battles quite this epic. There's GOT to be a better way, and I'm sure someone somewhere in CCP is looking for it, but for now, how about letting the poor bastards off the hook? I mean, maybe they could have set that one system up like Jita, but somehow I doubt they've got the spare resources.
For the record, I'm pro-Coalition, mostly. I flew on BoB's side (Exuro Mortis) in the first couple weeks of the war, but left because I felt I was flying for the wrong cause. Kill 'em, guys, but can we hear a little less conspiracy talk? If CCP had actually been backing BoB with convenient lag all this time, they would long since have ceased on the grounds that suspicions of official wrongdoing have the potential to badly damage their bottom line. They're not stupid, certainly not stupid enough to form massive conspiracies to ruin their own game.
A single dev with his head up his rear does not a conspiracy make, and if CCP on the whole had a conspiracy, they'd have been remarkably foolish to admit that his misdeeds had ever occurred, as one instance of corruption places the whole organization under a cloud of suspicion.
Anyhow, good luck with the petitions; here's hoping you get the ships returned and something gets done to eliminate the death-by-lag, be it some miraculous leap in computing power at CCP or a shift in dynamics that results in renewed emphasis on smaller deployments.
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Mindlles
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:50:00 -
[863]
Im not sure if i got my head full with wrong numbers here, but the bob force was around 200-300 ppl right? And the attacking force 400? And ppl are complaning?. If so coalltion are making a foul off themself, complain becouse they cant uterlly blob their target?. If thats the case u already had 100 more and how can u complain about that?.
Then again, i might be very wrong on this, and bob had 500 and coaltion 200. And then its very wrong ;/.
But hey a baby titan got destroyed, so im happy =))))
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:52:00 -
[864]
The 700 cap is old, and was not something the GM set specifically for this fight. Its even mentioned in a dev blog.
And we lost our main system because our attacked crached the node. This time lag worked in our favour.
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LordInvisible
Gallente
adeptus gattacus
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:04:00 -
[865]
dread losses by alliances, taken ONLY from BoB KB:
RAZOR alliance: 2
D2: 8
Morsus Mihi: 5
Imperial republic of north: 3
RA: 13
AAA: 8
IAC: 3
Goons: 1 (and i'm sure they sold alot of frigs and cruiser to get this one up!)
SUM: 43
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:14:00 -
[866]
Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 30/03/2007 09:13:17
I would really like to know why the system population had a cap limit set by a gm, which was fine for the defenders but a clear disadvantage for the attackers.
None the less, the ball is now rolling.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:15:00 -
[867]
Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 30/03/2007 09:12:22
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:16:00 -
[868]
Originally by: LordInvisible
dread losses by alliances, taken ONLY from BoB KB:
RAZOR alliance: 2
D2: 8
Morsus Mihi: 5
Imperial republic of north: 3
RA: 13
AAA: 8
IAC: 3
Goons: 1 (and i'm sure they sold alot of frigs and cruiser to get this one up!)
SUM: 43
thats alot,
like.... worth as much as a titan!
oh....
a round of sweet sweet pwnage for everybody! win/win situation in my book
hey, check me out, i'm posting on coad bob/bandwagon thread, \o/ am i famous now?
yeah, ok, back to the pile! (<-this line was approved by the minmater *** rights league?)
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Aceonfire
Caldari
JuBa Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:22:00 -
[869]
Originally by: LordInvisible
dread losses by alliances, taken ONLY from BoB KB:
Goons: 1 (and i'm sure they sold alot of frigs and cruiser to get this one up!)
SUM: 43
I think that is one of the funniest things I have read on this forum.
A close tie to RA/Goons/D2 complaining about lag and the massive loss of their capitals, yet writing it off during the JV1V battle.
Sorry guys, your crappy metagaming strategy only worked once. This time, it earned you nothing but a deathmail.
Cheers, and don't get to comfy.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:23:00 -
[870]
Originally by: LordInvisible
Originally by: Mindlles
Im not sure if i got my head full with wrong numbers here, but the bob force was around 200-300 ppl right? And the attacking force 400? And ppl are complaning?. If so coalltion are making a foul off themself, complain becouse they cant uterlly blob their target?. If thats the case u already had 100 more and how can u complain about that?.
Then again, i might be very wrong on this, and bob had 500 and coaltion 200. And then its very wrong ;/.
But hey a baby titan got destroyed, so im happy =))))
attackers went for same tactic as when attacking LV space: outnumber the defenders. Node crashes. U stay on the edge of the crashed node and jump in when crashed node gets up. Jumpins have higher priority of loading into system then logins into system.
IN this tactic doesnt matter how many numbers defenders had, beacuse coalition was counting on node crash and their higher priority when jumping into system..
simple as that! And coalition had 1000+ men ready, according to goons TS there were around 1050 man on goons TS only, and some alliances were on their own TS.
Yep and that proves the Coalition has the numbers and the determination. For now, the server mechanics have been on BoB's side every time they could pick a battle. If that changes, big trouble is right across the street for BoB & Co.
And by the way, were you expecting a lesser response from the coalition? Keep in mind that the war has just started, the Coalition is getting bigger and bigger, bigger that BoB and allies do.
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:24:00 -
[871]
Originally by: Pastora
The 700 man cap in the system is the fact! Actually, it felt to be much lower, around 500-600, but I guess the system was also counting those who were still jumping in. And the cap was a HUGE surprise for us >> largest (by huge margin) part of our fleet didn't even manage to enter the system, most of those who did >> crashed very soon after that.
Let's see what CCP says now in their press releases about 1000 people "fighting" in the same system...
Anyway, the mission was accomplished even under such circumstances. But the devs and GMs should sit and think very carefully now, what the sequencies will be from now on with the presence of the capacity limits for one system. You don't need to be smart, to figure it out...
QFT This game is obviously not working, BoB should've been erased from the map with such a giant coalition force against them, yet they are holding the field and inflict over 60 billion damage against the coalition.
If an alliance has over 400 members active, that alliance becomes invulnerable because of the lag they create and the node grid they occupy within a system.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:24:00 -
[872]
Originally by: Aceonfire
Originally by: LordInvisible
dread losses by alliances, taken ONLY from BoB KB:
Goons: 1 (and i'm sure they sold alot of frigs and cruiser to get this one up!)
SUM: 43
I think that is one of the funniest things I have read on this forum.
A close tie to RA/Goons/D2 complaining about lag and the massive loss of their capitals, yet writing it off during the JV1V battle.
Sorry guys, your crappy metagaming strategy only worked once. This time, it earned you nothing but a deathmail.
Cheers, and don't get to comfy.
And an accomplished objective.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:29:00 -
[873]
I only have one question.
When the pos was put into reinforced, was there a progress bar on the array and how much time out of how much did it have?
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Mind control and tin hats |
Aceonfire
Caldari
JuBa Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:30:00 -
[874]
Edited by: Aceonfire on 30/03/2007 09:28:23
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Aceonfire
Originally by: LordInvisible
dread losses by alliances, taken ONLY from BoB KB:
Goons: 1 (and i'm sure they sold alot of frigs and cruiser to get this one up!)
SUM: 43
I think that is one of the funniest things I have read on this forum.
A close tie to RA/Goons/D2 complaining about lag and the massive loss of their capitals, yet writing it off during the JV1V battle.
Sorry guys, your crappy metagaming strategy only worked once. This time, it earned you nothing but a deathmail.
Cheers, and don't get to comfy.
And an accomplished objective.
The only objective you side had was to try and crush our motivation by blobbing a system and making the game unplayable.
Nice try, now everyone invest in capital component BPC's.
I expect to see a sharp increase in prices, lol.
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Heptameron
Gallente
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:31:00 -
[875]
This is the most complete and utter pile of BS I have ever seen in this game. I'm not suggesting this was done deliberately for the defenders but capping the system is no less than complete and utter stupidity by CCP GM's.
Seriously.... it's mind numbing to even try and come up with a logical reason how this could be implemented(bearing in mind they HAVE to be seen to be even handed in the way they deal with player issues).
The system we were in (4/5 jumps from f-t) had 190 in local, another fleet sat behind us with another 120+, all of these to support the cap ship fleet.
I would like to apologise to all those that lost dreads through lack of support, and salute you for getting on and doing the job anyway, y'all deserve our respect and admiration.
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We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by |
Jancen Sykes
Amarr
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:31:00 -
[876]
Edited by: Jancen Sykes on 30/03/2007 09:28:27
Originally by: LordInvisible
Originally by: Mindlles
Im not sure if i got my head full with wrong numbers here, but the bob force was around 200-300 ppl right? And the attacking force 400? And ppl are complaning?. If so coalltion are making a foul off themself, complain becouse they cant uterlly blob their target?. If thats the case u already had 100 more and how can u complain about that?.
Then again, i might be very wrong on this, and bob had 500 and coaltion 200. And then its very wrong ;/.
But hey a baby titan got destroyed, so im happy =))))
attackers went for same tactic as when attacking LV space: outnumber the defenders. Node crashes. U stay on the edge of the crashed node and jump in when crashed node gets up. Jumpins have higher priority of loading into system then logins into system.
IN this tactic doesnt matter how many numbers defenders had, beacuse coalition was counting on node crash and their higher priority when jumping into system..
simple as that! And coalition had 1000+ men ready, according to goons TS there were around 1050 man on goons TS only, and some alliances were on their own TS.
Nope they wherent. Not entierly. Btw, even if the Coalitionforce managed to bring up 400 ppl. That doesnt mean that 400ppl where involved in Battle. As one of the first carrier who jumped in the system and one of the first who lagged out and couldnt log in back i can they that it would be a mircale that there where more then over 120 coalitionships at the same time in the System.
And i can also say that we havnt aimed for a nodecrash, even if you wont belive me.
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:33:00 -
[877]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Originally by: Pastora
The 700 man cap in the system is the fact! Actually, it felt to be much lower, around 500-600, but I guess the system was also counting those who were still jumping in. And the cap was a HUGE surprise for us >> largest (by huge margin) part of our fleet didn't even manage to enter the system, most of those who did >> crashed very soon after that.
Let's see what CCP says now in their press releases about 1000 people "fighting" in the same system...
Anyway, the mission was accomplished even under such circumstances. But the devs and GMs should sit and think very carefully now, what the sequencies will be from now on with the presence of the capacity limits for one system. You don't need to be smart, to figure it out...
QFT This game is obviously not working, BoB should've been erased from the map with such a giant coalition force against them, yet they are holding the field and inflict over 60 billion damage against the coalition.
If an alliance has over 400 members active, that alliance becomes invulnerable because of the lag they create and the node grid they occupy within a system.
By your very own words, 3/4 of the coalition forces are also invulnerable. IAC (2nd largest alliance), GoonsSwarm, D2.... need I continue?
From nothing to something in just one corp!
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gaaksel
The Legion.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:33:00 -
[878]
To be honest,
who has "won" this "fight" is moot, both sides can replace their losses easily, the actual damage done to either side is not enough to make any of the groups worry.
The main problem as i see it is the following : Both sides have proven they can bring ~1000 people to an important operation. That is then 2000 people trying to play a game, a game that due to technical restrictions cannot provide the environment for said 2000 people.
And this will happen again, whenever either side attacks an important asset of the oposing faction the numbers will be well in the 1000s again causing the game to become unplayable and players getting frustrated.
It is noones fault, not the defenders fault for populating the systems well before the attackers, not the attackers fault for bringing 500 people in T1 frigates, everyone that pays to play the game whether he has 55m SP or 2m SP has all rights to show up at those fights and fight.
I do however think that this is what this war will bring in the immediate future, alot more of those "epic fights" that in the end prove to be a slideshow with unlimited waiting times.
Is this what either side wants ? I doubt it, but i also know there is no other feasable way to fight in this war than to bring all you got, so both sides will keep bringing all they have and then some more.
I personally can imagine better things to do with 7hours than staring at stargates and shooting at enemies that possibly never knew i was actually hitting them since their client long stalled. Will i be there again ? Ofc. Will i enjoy it ? Ofc not .
And this is the only thing that leaves a sour taste when thinking of last night, it is a game , we are all supposed to enjoy these aspects of the game and im pretty sure not many enjoyed last night.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:35:00 -
[879]
Originally by: Aceonfire
Edited by: Aceonfire on 30/03/2007 09:28:23
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Aceonfire
Originally by: LordInvisible
dread losses by alliances, taken ONLY from BoB KB:
Goons: 1 (and i'm sure they sold alot of frigs and cruiser to get this one up!)
SUM: 43
I think that is one of the funniest things I have read on this forum.
A close tie to RA/Goons/D2 complaining about lag and the massive loss of their capitals, yet writing it off during the JV1V battle.
Sorry guys, your crappy metagaming strategy only worked once. This time, it earned you nothing but a deathmail.
Cheers, and don't get to comfy.
And an accomplished objective.
The only objective you side had was to try and crush our motivation by blobbing a system and making the game unplayable.
Nice try, now everyone invest in capital component BPC's.
I expect to see a sharp increase in prices, lol.
Yeah, RKK has to start over again.
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Velios
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:37:00 -
[880]
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Department |
Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:38:00 -
[881]
Originally by: gaaksel
To be honest,
who has "won" this "fight" is moot, both sides can replace their losses easily, the actual damage done to either side is not enough to make any of the groups worry.
The main problem as i see it is the following : Both sides have proven they can bring ~1000 people to an important operation. That is then 2000 people trying to play a game, a game that due to technical restrictions cannot provide the environment for said 2000 people.
And this will happen again, whenever either side attacks an important asset of the oposing faction the numbers will be well in the 1000s again causing the game to become unplayable and players getting frustrated.
It is noones fault, not the defenders fault for populating the systems well before the attackers, not the attackers fault for bringing 500 people in T1 frigates, everyone that pays to play the game whether he has 55m SP or 2m SP has all rights to show up at those fights and fight.
I do however think that this is what this war will bring in the immediate future, alot more of those "epic fights" that in the end prove to be a slideshow with unlimited waiting times.
Is this what either side wants ? I doubt it, but i also know there is no other feasable way to fight in this war than to bring all you got, so both sides will keep bringing all they have and then some more.
I personally can imagine better things to do with 7hours than staring at stargates and shooting at enemies that possibly never knew i was actually hitting them since their client long stalled. Will i be there again ? Ofc. Will i enjoy it ? Ofc not .
And this is the only thing that leaves a sour taste when thinking of last night, it is a game , we are all supposed to enjoy these aspects of the game and im pretty sure not many enjoyed last night.
Very true.
I kinda hope that both sides lay off the mass blobbing and try to spread the combat to 3-4 targets instead so that the # of pilots < system cap and perhaps everyone will have a better eve experience.
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P.S.
Post with your main.
Mind control and tin hats |
Dragutinovic
Caldari
Bladerunners
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:42:00 -
[882]
Originally by: Velios
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
made me chuckle tbh ;)
Still remember my first full bpc set bought of Mcorp years ago ;)
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Im back !
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Mss Alt
Gallente
The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:53:00 -
[883]
Is funny to see BoB and BoB pets complaining about meta gaming.
From my point of view, I see no problem in getting your 4ss kicked by a force twice your size. It's not a blob, it's their fleet. I think we all remember the EC lock down, so BoB pets should whining.
I'm sure that with 200 capitals (half of the total number of the defending fleet) the coalition, in proper gaming condition would have had no problem in killing the pos + killing the enemy fleet or jumping out.
I think that everybody agrees that with 200 capitals on the field tactics don't matter that much as capitals don't really care about doomsdays.
While I tend to side with the coalition in my statements (partially because of the GM incidents), I'm sure that in a proper gaming environment the coalition losses would have been halved in the worst scenario and the defending team would have lost more than the POS on the battlefield.
Overall seems that the coalition achieved it's objective. I don't know about BoB as they haven't made any statement on this, altho I would agree that they had more fun in this battle than the other side, and in the end all is about having fun.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:04:00 -
[884]
Originally by: LordInvisible
attackers went for same tactic as when attacking LV space: outnumber the defenders. Node crashes. U stay on the edge of the crashed node and jump in when crashed node gets up. Jumpins have higher priority of loading into system then logins into system.
IN this tactic doesnt matter how many numbers defenders had, beacuse coalition was counting on node crash and their higher priority when jumping into system..
Yea, this tactis seem to be popular nowdays. Its lame and pathetic, but there is no defence against it. I hope CCP does something to stop this from being used in the future, or else 20 dreads and 1000 shuttles can kill any pos, no matter how well defended.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:05:00 -
[885]
Originally by: Bloedkopp
Would like to see Molles balls here on forum after the battle with a word about what was in this POS like Seleene did after her cap event. But maybe thats too much too expect...
To all chestbeating BOB fanbois, hush hush back in your Retrievers, tomorrow is the 1st of the month, your bill has to be paid
seleene has confirmed in one of his posts early on in this thread that there was indeed a titan being built.
as for the "you did/did to" crowd.... the loss of the amount of dreads that was lost last night is extremely cheap compared to the value of a fully functional titan in the hands of the enemy.
you ppl seem to only want to count isk as hard currency well heres one for you, 200BS killed with a push of a button every what? 4 hours something.
now go think if the abortion was worth it or not.
as for the guy from M8's that keeps yapping, log off like you did your whole fleet when you saw 2 celest in tribute.. just log off and stfu.
and no its not everyone against bob, its alot of ppl vs alot of alliances + bob
you have ppl like MC/Aftermath/Xelas/corelli ppl/Axe/cow/rise/lv and on and on.
but never forget that it is still everyone vs CCP's really crappy servers in the end.
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:07:00 -
[886]
Quote:
Is funny to see BoB and BoB pets complaining about meta gaming.
I don't see a single bob or supposed bob pet complaining about the outcome here, more cheering it. If you look carefully and actually read the majority of the posts here you will see only 1 side actually whining (p.s. it's not BOB!)
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Iced Casing
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:08:00 -
[887]
i must agree with "Mss Alt" entirely ...BoB&Co. didnt stood a chance in that battle and for the record its just lame not to clear out what they have lost in that POS because as i see all around people tend to brag about what they accoplished in fights but rarely accept theyre losses ...
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:13:00 -
[888]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: LordInvisible
attackers went for same tactic as when attacking LV space: outnumber the defenders. Node crashes. U stay on the edge of the crashed node and jump in when crashed node gets up. Jumpins have higher priority of loading into system then logins into system.
IN this tactic doesnt matter how many numbers defenders had, beacuse coalition was counting on node crash and their higher priority when jumping into system..
Yea, this tactis seem to be popular nowdays. Its lame and pathetic, but there is no defence against it. I hope CCP does something to stop this from being used in the future, or else 20 dreads and 1000 shuttles can kill any pos, no matter how well defended.
What are the alternatives?
As systems have a hard cap and start to lag bad at 50-70% of the cap there is no way of actually fighting a traditional battle there. The defenders won't budge from the system because they have no active objective and would only suffer from the same problems the attackers are suffering from if they moved out of the system. So they sit. And the attackers zerg because there are no options.
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:15:00 -
[889]
Originally by: Pastora
Anyway, the mission was accomplished even under such circumstances. But the devs and GMs should sit and think very carefully now, what the sequencies will be from now on with the presence of the capacity limits for one system. You don't need to be smart, to figure it out...
Sorry for being a noob (34 pages is a bit too much to read ). By accomplished mission, do you mean you actually destroyed the shipyards?
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:17:00 -
[890]
To all chestbeating BOB fanbois, hush hush back in your Retrievers, tomorrow is the 1st of the month, your bill has to be paid
seleene has confirmed in one of his posts early on in this thread that there was indeed a titan being built.
as for the "you did/did to" crowd.... the loss of the amount of dreads that was lost last night is extremely cheap compared to the value of a fully functional titan in the hands of the enemy.
you ppl seem to only want to count isk as hard currency well heres one for you, 200BS killed with a push of a button every what? 4 hours something.
now go think if the abortion was worth it or not.
as for the guy from M8's that keeps yapping, log off like you did your whole fleet when you saw 2 celest in tribute.. just log off and stfu.
and no its not everyone against bob, its alot of ppl vs alot of alliances + bob
you have ppl like MC/Aftermath/Xelas/corelli ppl/Axe/cow/rise/lv and on and on.
but never forget that it is still everyone vs CCP's really crappy servers in the end.
QFTFW... CCP fix this crap it hasnt worked since 04 so why they hell you still using this flawed playing method for system take down.
Originally by: Iced Casing
i must agree with "Mss Alt" entirely ...BoB&Co. didnt stood a chance in that battle and for the record its just lame not to clear out what they have lost in that POS because as i see all around people tend to brag about what they accoplished in fights but rarely accept theyre losses ...
If Molle posted that we didn't blow up a titan half the people here wouldn't believe him anyways whats the point?
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AFTRUNX
Caldari
Human Liberty Syndicate
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:18:00 -
[891]
gj job coalition!!!!!
Bad job from CCP side...
that was a milestone in the Cap fleet Battle...
hope they fix fix that ****ng laag!!!
hope to see some fraps soon!!!
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Ethan Hawk
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:20:00 -
[892]
We lost some dreads??? Sure.
We were not able to bring in our support? Sure.
We destroyed the POS anyway? Sure.
There was a Titan in it? Maybe.
But one thing is for sure... Molle how do you sleep after this night? How is the feeling the coaltion is able to take a POS down and you are not able to do anything against it? Did you ever expect we stand united in battlefield?
Welcome on the side of the harvestable...
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:25:00 -
[893]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dianabolic
Due to the pretty abundant access in RKK to the pos "god mode" role I believe that creating an alt corp, in BoB, to run ONLY the capital construction pos in F-T is the best way to section off our risk from infiltration.
I can't see a downside to this, we'll fuel the pos required for 6 months in a hangar array and it won't mine anything so management really will be done with a shuttle.
Any suggestions for a name?
Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:28 pm
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:25:00 -
[894]
Originally by: Velios
M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
lol, velios wins the thread
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R0ot
InNova Tech Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:27:00 -
[895]
I have a nice summary of the fight(s) last night, people A met with people B in Systems A, B, C, D .... etc shot each other with guns and missiles and drones and had a hella fun time, good times enjoyed by all.
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:28:00 -
[896]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Bloedkopp
Would like to see Molles balls here on forum after the battle with a word about what was in this POS like Seleene did after her cap event. But maybe thats too much too expect...
To all chestbeating BOB fanbois, hush hush back in your Retrievers, tomorrow is the 1st of the month, your bill has to be paid
seleene has confirmed in one of his posts early on in this thread that there was indeed a titan being built.
Umm no?
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Maltroc
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:28:00 -
[897]
Thx to all in this fight.
CCP ... make your job ! We pay for this game !
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:29:00 -
[898]
I've said it before and I'll say it again, having Titan's constructed at a single facility in a single system is plain stupid. Unless CCP split up the Titan production process so that it has to be conducted across multiple systems in multiple arrays, this kind of mess will repeat itself again and again and again...
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CagedRage
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:29:00 -
[899]
Edited by: CagedRage on 30/03/2007 10:27:49
Edited by: CagedRage on 30/03/2007 10:26:04
Come on people, get a grip. Personally I saw 16 wrecks at the time of jumping out of the system. Even if we lost 50... It's NOT really a big deal out here in 0.0. Most capital ships were insured, roughly 460m cost, 1.5-6 mil payout for dreads. The titan, was not. I know the majority of my corporation used at max, t2 and named gear. It really isn't much of a loss compared with the time, money and effort to build a titan.
Anyways, I thought it was fun even if it was a pain in the ass to do anything. My dread had emergency warped as the carrier I had jumped to had poped by the time I landed (something like 15 minutes later). Anyway, got to the pos, waited 5 more mins and saw it. Managed to get my siege mode on (which ran on for 20 minutes even tho I told it to stop after starting it!) and shot at the tower, the advanced large ship assembly array. (I also noticed the (two?) capital maintenance arrays were poped). We shot at the motherships that were there but no luck unfortunately. =P Locking onto targets was hard, it would just keep saying locking for ages.
Ahh, it was incredibly laggy which was a pain, but I still thought it was fun. I do feel sorry for people who had even more lag than I did.
As for if we were successful or not. We came and did what we wanted to do.
CCP obviously needs to do something to the servers to let them handle the stress of battles like these. Battles like this are what makes EVE what it is... It's a shame that they can't be more lag free.
Anyways, here is a nice pictures of a part of the fleet from a few minutes before the fight.
http://www.cubeupload.com/files/6a00622007.03.29.20.28.49.jpg
Oh, and unlocking into everyone jumping out. Pweeety. =)
http://www.cubeupload.com/files/5b736dcyno.jpg
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Marvel Girl
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:33:00 -
[900]
Originally by: gaaksel
To be honest,
who has "won" this "fight" is moot, both sides can replace their losses easily, the actual damage done to either side is not enough to make any of the groups worry.
The main problem as i see it is the following : Both sides have proven they can bring ~1000 people to an important operation. That is then 2000 people trying to play a game, a game that due to technical restrictions cannot provide the environment for said 2000 people.
And this will happen again, whenever either side attacks an important asset of the oposing faction the numbers will be well in the 1000s again causing the game to become unplayable and players getting frustrated.
It is noones fault, not the defenders fault for populating the systems well before the attackers, not the attackers fault for bringing 500 people in T1 frigates, everyone that pays to play the game whether he has 55m SP or 2m SP has all rights to show up at those fights and fight.
I do however think that this is what this war will bring in the immediate future, alot more of those "epic fights" that in the end prove to be a slideshow with unlimited waiting times.
Is this what either side wants ? I doubt it, but i also know there is no other feasable way to fight in this war than to bring all you got, so both sides will keep bringing all they have and then some more.
I personally can imagine better things to do with 7hours than staring at stargates and shooting at enemies that possibly never knew i was actually hitting them since their client long stalled. Will i be there again ? Ofc. Will i enjoy it ? Ofc not .
And this is the only thing that leaves a sour taste when thinking of last night, it is a game , we are all supposed to enjoy these aspects of the game and im pretty sure not many enjoyed last night.
You're Digital F**KING Communist aren't you? Aren't you!
Nobody else could post it just like that. Just come out and say you're Digi. It'll make the old farts feel better about all this nonsense anyways. Give some justification to this war of strangeness. Give me a reason to log in again.
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maGz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:34:00 -
[901]
Awesome job CCP. How about actually finding a way to run your game properly instead of running around spewing new patches with new stuff out all the time?
It's a shame that something which potentially could have been absolutely fantastic for the involved parties gets ruined by the inability of CCP to face/sort the real problems of this game.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:36:00 -
[902]
Originally by: Ethan Hawk
How is the feeling the coaltion is able to take a POS down and you are not able to do anything against it?
Killing all those caps was not doing anything against it?
What price to take a whole system from them? Not to smack you but please...accept that both sides are at least on equal footing. The only winner here was the lag.
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gaaksel
The Legion.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:38:00 -
[903]
Originally by: Marvel Girl
Originally by: gaaksel
To be honest,
who has "won" this "fight" is moot, both sides can replace their losses easily, the actual damage done to either side is not enough to make any of the groups worry.
The main problem as i see it is the following : Both sides have proven they can bring ~1000 people to an important operation. That is then 2000 people trying to play a game, a game that due to technical restrictions cannot provide the environment for said 2000 people.
And this will happen again, whenever either side attacks an important asset of the oposing faction the numbers will be well in the 1000s again causing the game to become unplayable and players getting frustrated.
It is noones fault, not the defenders fault for populating the systems well before the attackers, not the attackers fault for bringing 500 people in T1 frigates, everyone that pays to play the game whether he has 55m SP or 2m SP has all rights to show up at those fights and fight.
I do however think that this is what this war will bring in the immediate future, alot more of those "epic fights" that in the end prove to be a slideshow with unlimited waiting times.
Is this what either side wants ? I doubt it, but i also know there is no other feasable way to fight in this war than to bring all you got, so both sides will keep bringing all they have and then some more.
I personally can imagine better things to do with 7hours than staring at stargates and shooting at enemies that possibly never knew i was actually hitting them since their client long stalled. Will i be there again ? Ofc. Will i enjoy it ? Ofc not .
And this is the only thing that leaves a sour taste when thinking of last night, it is a game , we are all supposed to enjoy these aspects of the game and im pretty sure not many enjoyed last night.
You're Digital F**KING Communist aren't you? Aren't you!
Nobody else could post it just like that. Just come out and say you're Digi. It'll make the old farts feel better about all this nonsense anyways. Give some justification to this war of strangeness. Give me a reason to log in again.
Im not sure if this is an accusation or a compliment :)
But i can confirm that i am not Digital Communist, you might want to visit me over at www.legionhq.org, look for the nick steam :)
And i would love to give you reasons to log in a play again, i am afraid however i do not know enough about you to be of any help.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:41:00 -
[904]
Edited by: welsh wizard on 30/03/2007 10:38:44
Is this fight representative of the future of Eve? If so its clear to me that its time to think of alternative hardware solutions (if there are any). I think we can reasonably assume that the hardware required to run Eve as a single shard in a playable fashion doesn't exist in the public sector.
So, why encourage these fights? It's not just the whinging crowds involved that suffer is it? It's the rest of Eve aswell.
If you want to run a single shard universe then do it properly.
Pre-emptive counter whine: Could I do better? Of course I bloody couldn't, but thats besides the point.
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Zergling2
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:43:00 -
[905]
If ccp put a limit on how many are allowed in system it gave bob a huge advantage soon as they had all their pilots already in system. I hope coalition dread petitions are successful because of ccps screwup.
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:44:00 -
[906]
ok, we failed ...
.. to acomplish a decent congaline
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:46:00 -
[907]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: LordInvisible
attackers went for same tactic as when attacking LV space: outnumber the defenders. Node crashes. U stay on the edge of the crashed node and jump in when crashed node gets up. Jumpins have higher priority of loading into system then logins into system.
IN this tactic doesnt matter how many numbers defenders had, beacuse coalition was counting on node crash and their higher priority when jumping into system..
Yea, this tactis seem to be popular nowdays. Its lame and pathetic, but there is no defence against it. I hope CCP does something to stop this from being used in the future, or else 20 dreads and 1000 shuttles can kill any pos, no matter how well defended.
I have to ask, what alternative is there? BOB has ****ed off a rather big amount of 0.0 alliances by their actions in the past. Are you now saying that those people coming to get revenge should not be allowed?
Firstly, the Coalition certainly did NOT go with the intent of crashing the node. I know this. I was there. Both in systems and in voice comms.
Secondly, what exactly do you want the Coalition to do? Say: "Well guys, BOB has fielded x number of pilots, so to be gentlemen and to make it fair, we will leave 1/3 of our fleet at home"? Seriously, that is not going to happen. What about enjoying the fact that your opponent has such a respect for the fighting ability, that they bring everything they have to fight?
BOB has made a reputation for themselves, and they brought a huge number of ships yesterday. I'm sorry that the Coalition didn't want to come like lambs to the slaughter, and without the firepower to down the shipyard, but it just doesn't work that way.
And btw, to those who laugh at the Goons and claim they only fly t1 frigs, and with the intent to lag: You weren't there. And you were wrong. What I witnessed sure as hell wasn't a fleet of t1 frigs.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:47:00 -
[908]
Edited by: Splagada on 30/03/2007 10:43:51
Originally by: Frygok
And btw, to those who laugh at the Goons and claim they only fly t1 frigs, and with the intent to lag: You weren't there. And you were wrong. What I witnessed sure as hell wasn't a fleet of t1 frigs.
from the screenshots it was more T1 dreads
damn big fleet
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:48:00 -
[909]
Originally by: Frygok
And btw, to those who laugh at the Goons and claim they only fly t1 frigs, and with the intent to lag: You weren't there. And you were wrong. What I witnessed sure as hell wasn't a fleet of t1 frigs.
I felt strange between all those goon battleships
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D2O HeavyWater
Amarr
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:48:00 -
[910]
Gotta say last nights op proved 100% for sure that this game cannot handle large scale fleet battles.
With all the need for speed coding/re coding CCP are no where near reaching what the player base requires in order to have large scale battles.
I spent 7 hours last night trying to get to the target system it was a 20 jump trip & I didn't make it. It was taking betwen 10 & 30 minutes to get through each gate and even if i had made it to the target system, the player limit was capped at 700 so I could'nt have got in anyways.
In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.
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Silenne Otsaku
Amarr
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:08:00 -
[911]
it's an old debate.
Since 2004 i've see somes whine :
=> OMG we got lag 20vs20 (random fight)
=> OMG we got lag 50vs50 (small alliance scale engagemen)
=> OMG 400 in local, unpossible to play, crash node $^^$ (tribute)
=> OMG 150VS150 with 600 in local bring lag
=> OMG 1k vs 1k lag !!!!
you forget 1 things eahc times the previous limit is now playing really good.
who this days got lag with 20vs20 ???
50vs50 ?
and with acceptable lag 150vs150 ?
eve have evolved, eve have optimize code, better hardware, but it bring only 1 things : playberbase want MORE.
It's as race playerbase against ccp.
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Siopaos Soltueur
Gallente
Pegasus Mining and Securities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:14:00 -
[912]
Originally by: Silenne Otsaku
it's an old debate.
Since 2004 i've see somes whine :
=> OMG we got lag 20vs20 (random fight)
=> OMG we got lag 50vs50 (small alliance scale engagemen)
=> OMG 400 in local, unpossible to play, crash node $^^$ (tribute)
=> OMG 150VS150 with 600 in local bring lag
=> OMG 1k vs 1k lag !!!!
you forget 1 things eahc times the previous limit is now playing really good.
who this days got lag with 20vs20 ???
50vs50 ?
and with acceptable lag 150vs150 ?
eve have evolved, eve have optimize code, better hardware, but it bring only 1 things : playberbase want MORE.
It's as race playerbase against ccp.
you're completely right, most folks conveniently forget that eve has come a long way..
even 50 vs 50 used to be laggy. I'm sure they'll eventually fix 1000 vs 1000 as well.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:17:00 -
[913]
Originally by: Siopaos Soltueur
Originally by: Silenne Otsaku
it's an old debate.
Since 2004 i've see somes whine :
=> OMG we got lag 20vs20 (random fight)
=> OMG we got lag 50vs50 (small alliance scale engagemen)
=> OMG 400 in local, unpossible to play, crash node $^^$ (tribute)
=> OMG 150VS150 with 600 in local bring lag
=> OMG 1k vs 1k lag !!!!
you forget 1 things eahc times the previous limit is now playing really good.
who this days got lag with 20vs20 ???
50vs50 ?
and with acceptable lag 150vs150 ?
eve have evolved, eve have optimize code, better hardware, but it bring only 1 things : playberbase want MORE.
It's as race playerbase against ccp.
you're completely right, most folks conveniently forget that eve has come a long way..
even 50 vs 50 used to be laggy. I'm sure they'll eventually fix 1000 vs 1000 as well.
Yes but I think that argument is that "eventually" should be now, and rightly so.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:18:00 -
[914]
Originally by: LoxyRider
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Bloedkopp
Would like to see Molles balls here on forum after the battle with a word about what was in this POS like Seleene did after her cap event. But maybe thats too much too expect...
To all chestbeating BOB fanbois, hush hush back in your Retrievers, tomorrow is the 1st of the month, your bill has to be paid
seleene has confirmed in one of his posts early on in this thread that there was indeed a titan being built.
Umm no?
Seleene once confirmed she's my mom.
Or he. Whatever. I just woke up.
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maGz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:23:00 -
[915]
Originally by: Silenne Otsaku
it's an old debate.
Since 2004 i've see somes whine :
=> OMG we got lag 20vs20 (random fight)
=> OMG we got lag 50vs50 (small alliance scale engagemen)
=> OMG 400 in local, unpossible to play, crash node $^^$ (tribute)
=> OMG 150VS150 with 600 in local bring lag
=> OMG 1k vs 1k lag !!!!
you forget 1 things eahc times the previous limit is now playing really good.
who this days got lag with 20vs20 ???
50vs50 ?
and with acceptable lag 150vs150 ?
eve have evolved, eve have optimize code, better hardware, but it bring only 1 things : playberbase want MORE.
It's as race playerbase against ccp.
Problem is that CCP is, to some extent, forcing people to blob even more with HP boosts etc., so in essence it is a race but CCP seems to be ruining it for themselves by constantly forcing the playerbase to blob more...
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:23:00 -
[916]
Originally by: Indiano Arko
There is no point in complaining about 700 players in local cap. Majority of other MMORPGs can't handle even 300 players in a same place. Don't blame CCP. Blame hardware.
No. you can and you should blame CCP. The lag qhen something blows up or get into system is ridiculowsly high. The efficiency of their system is very low and the performance drop much more than lineraly. Where the heck CCp found a place to put an O¦ algorithm in this game?
And i know what I am talking about, I used to work in MMO development and we could handle abour 200 guys in same node of our system (with FAR FAR more complex game mechanics, including neutonian flights, collision model and response, tracking of each bullet flying and precise hit location (about 30-70 hit location per player). All that in a 2003 common PC. And we considered our performance as BAD... because we knew we should be able to handle at least twice.
EVE scalability is horrible. By the hardware and VERY VERY low game complexity they have, they should be able to sustain at least 2 k players per node, with lag, but with all functionalities still working.
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Edward Einstein
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:23:00 -
[917]
The problem is that CCP have introduced single points of huge strategic importance, that forces thousand of pilots to gather to attack and defend them. The main problem in today's EVE are the supercapitals and mainly Titans.
All the latest lagfests happened around capital shipyards. On top of that Titans with their jump bridge make easy the movement of huge blobs.
CCP need to spread points of strategic importance. Motherships and Titans should never have been introduced. I don't know what can be done now about them, but it was very poor planning to introduce them without expecting that their building would attract these huge battles.
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Rrroot
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:27:00 -
[918]
Originally by: Noluck Ned
Originally by: Ethan Hawk
How is the feeling the coaltion is able to take a POS down and you are not able to do anything against it?
Killing all those caps was not doing anything against it?
What price to take a whole system from them? Not to smack you but please...accept that both sides are at least on equal footing. The only winner here was the lag.
Well, being one of the fortunate ones to get out of it alive, but only this morning, I've been extremely lucky. Most capitals were killed after they crashed to desktop due to lag. Their ships emergency warped with an agression timer on them. Easy scanprey for the bobbettes imho. (anybody remember killing an offline titan? Different situation, same tactics)
So again CCP will mostlikely validate all the kills again, because it can't be their precious game mechanics that is at fault.
GY6A-L system fielded 695 / 700 pilots prior to the attack.
The F-TE1T node just crashed under the pressure of 700+ coalition people wanting to come and fight 200+ bobbettes. There's a comfirmation by multiple pilots and some ingame footage about the max number of 430 pilots in F-TE1T. We've seen numerous people being podded, the system go down to 425 and filling up to 430 again. This was either a hard cap on the population size, or some other malfunction?
Come on Kieron / Oveur, surprise us for once! Don't give us a global excuse / request for patience so you can further improve the performance by adding new features. Smack us with full details of the CCP side on this.
For now every new EVE release is starting to look like every new release of windows; It's more feature rich each time, but even when running newer releases on newer hardware, it never improves in speed.
That's my Ç0,02 for now.
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Mss Alt
Gallente
The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:29:00 -
[919]
Originally by: Noluck Ned
Originally by: Ethan Hawk
How is the feeling the coaltion is able to take a POS down and you are not able to do anything against it?
Killing all those caps was not doing anything against it?
What price to take a whole system from them? Not to smack you but please...accept that both sides are at least on equal footing. The only winner here was the lag.
Killing enemy ships is not an objective in a war.
You kill enemy ships for fun. The objective is to win the war and capital assembly POS killing is surely a step in winning the war.
BoB had fun / the coalition achieved their stated goal.
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dan drorgar
Minmatar
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:29:00 -
[920]
Originally by: Siopaos Soltueur
even 50 vs 50 used to be laggy.
50v50 is still laggy. The player base has got used to a few seconds activation time lag, now it only screams about 20 minute blank screens and such, the kind of thing that happens at 200v200.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:34:00 -
[921]
Almost as much comments here about the lag as there was talk about the actually attack.. you guys might want to read the dev blogs and posts on forums a bit more often. There was some post a couple of weeks before the nano-change, where the devs were talking about the 'need for speed' wasn't only related to nano- but also regarding servers, and pvp. A few things they would want to see was, for example, lesser blobs, more viable small roaming gangs. How that should work is still to be seen but there's talk about a new tier battleships with mobile jumpdrives, as well as optional ways to jump (not only using gates) for the future.
It'd basicly destroy huge camping, as well as it'd spread people out more in systems, which in its turn would relieve stress on the server. It'd also make this game more viable for people to log in at anytime they want rather than having a fixed time they have to log for that big fleets; i.e. more customer flexibility/service. Sure as hell I bet 300+ people jumping to a POS fight would lag it, it's a massive multiplayer game and sending/receiving/updating would lag down alot of people, no matter what server it as.
But at least this would put less pressure in nearby regions and - it's a reply to all those whiners saying ccp doesn't do anything. At least they seem to look into ways to solve this.
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Pariah Eutrophius
Gallente
Thundercats
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:40:00 -
[922]
Edited by: Pariah Eutrophius on 30/03/2007 11:37:44
Originally by: Mss Alt
Originally by: Noluck Ned
Originally by: Ethan Hawk
How is the feeling the coaltion is able to take a POS down and you are not able to do anything against it?
Killing all those caps was not doing anything against it?
What price to take a whole system from them? Not to smack you but please...accept that both sides are at least on equal footing. The only winner here was the lag.
Killing enemy ships is not an objective in a war.
You kill enemy ships for fun. The objective is to win the war and capital assembly POS killing is surely a step in winning the war.
BoB had fun / the coalition achieved their stated goal.
Mate, spot on. This was 1 battle. No one Won, no one Lost. Each side acheived there objectives, nuff said, stfu and get ready for the next.
Set objectives reached= success
Coalition- kill bob pos with cap array= done
BOBets- kill as many coalition ships as possible=done
its 1 of many battles still yet to come, i see xmas trees and tinsel in delve.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:40:00 -
[923]
just waiting for the dust to settle on this one. Sounds like its been a big battle - both sides taking massive losses who will hold together do the coalation have enough firepower left to drive further into delve now
Any news from bob. Any news on empire dwellers heading to 0.0 to join the fun etc etc.
Well waiting for further news
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:54:00 -
[924]
Originally by: BlackKnight
Originally by: Mss Alt
What I find strange on these forums is that D2, IRON, RZR, RA, GOON & CO refer to themselves as the coalition while the Xelas, Coreli and LV guys refer to themselves as BOB.
Coalition statement: "We killed the POS".
BOB&pets statement: "BOB killed lots of capital ships".
Grow a backbone please.
Not pets right?
I've about reached my limit reading stupid threads like this one.
Let me spell it out for you.
I'm in Lotka Volterra. Ticker is LV. I am NOT BoB. I DON'T work for BoB. I'm NOT BoB's pet. I do what want, when I want, short of fulfilling the orders and requests of my CEO and those of LV Management.
Read this carefully: I don't refer to my self as BoB.
Do yourself a favor. Try putting your brain in gear before you set your mouth into four wheel drive.
Backbone? There's plenty of backbone here.
Anyone with more questions? Please feel free to convo me at your convenience.
3 degress of seperation, his alliance is helping bob in this war after they lost theri space..... his alliance leadership wants him via his CEO to help his corp thats as far as it goes.
He however is not bob just someone by association with his corp, who has association with his alliance who associates with the bob side of eve war thats going on at the moment
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BlackKnight
Minmatar
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:57:00 -
[925]
Originally by: maGz
Edited by: maGz on 30/03/2007 11:47:20
Originally by: BlackKnight
Originally by: Mss Alt
What I find strange on these forums is that D2, IRON, RZR, RA, GOON & CO refer to themselves as the coalition while the Xelas, Coreli and LV guys refer to themselves as BOB.
Coalition statement: "We killed the POS".
BOB&pets statement: "BOB killed lots of capital ships".
Grow a backbone please.
Not pets right?
I've about reached my limit reading stupid threads like this one.
Let me spell it out for you.
I'm in Lotka Volterra. Ticker is LV. I am NOT BoB. I DON'T work for BoB. I'm NOT BoB's pet. I do what want, when I want, short of fulfilling the orders and requests of my CEO and those of LV Management.
Read this carefully: I don't refer to my self as BoB.
Do yourself a favor. Try putting your brain in gear before you set your mouth into four wheel drive.
Backbone? There's plenty of backbone here.
Anyone with more questions? Please feel free to convo me at your convenience.
You honestly believe that?
Damn right I do. Try lifting that hood off your eyes. It might enable you to see a bit better.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:01:00 -
[926]
We are no more BoB pets than AAA are D2 pets. This whote "pet" business is nothing but bs anyway, and its only used for immature progaranda.
BoB are our allies: we helpt them and they help us. Just the same way that RAZOR helps D2 and D2 helps RAZOR.
And for those of you who has been around or a while, you know that many in LV and BoB once where in the same alliance called Five. So the fact that we work together is only natural.
A much more interesting question is: how can an allianes like D2 work with Goon and RA?
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Mss Alt
Gallente
The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:02:00 -
[927]
Originally by: BlackKnight
I've about reached my limit reading stupid threads like this one.
Let me spell it out for you.
I'm in Lotka Volterra. Ticker is LV. I am NOT BoB. I DON'T work for BoB. I'm NOT BoB's pet. I do what want, when I want, short of fulfilling the orders and requests of my CEO and those of LV Management.
Read this carefully: I don't refer to my self as BoB.
Do yourself a favor. Try putting your brain in gear before you set your mouth into four wheel drive.
Backbone? There's plenty of backbone here.
Anyone with more questions? Please feel free to convo me at your convenience.
I just said what I noticed on the forums.
MC might have the right to say BoB killed a lot of caps as they are hired by them but the other alliances involved on BoB's side ...
BoB allies clearly act as pets. Coalition members act like proper allies and that starts by refering to themselvs as 'we', not D2,RA,IRON,RZR.
'I was involved in the fight on BoB's side and BoB killed a lot of ships.'
vs
'I was involved in the fight on the coalition side and we killed a lot of ships.'
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Ya Wha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:04:00 -
[928]
WTF?a cap on people in system?Has this been done before?If I were in LV I would be extremely angry atm.Looks like favouritism to me.
CCP-'Here are Titans,POS,Moms,Dreads'
Players-'Cool'
CCP-'Btw could you please limit the amount you field please'
Players-'Why?'
CCP-'Because the hardware has not been invented to support Alliance scale Warfare'
Players-'Then don't advertise your game to say that it can'
CCP-'But we didn't realise our game would be so popular'
Players-'Oh don't worry about that.You are doing a very good job at making it less appealing and popular'
CCP-'But....'
Players-'Bye Bye'
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:06:00 -
[929]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
We are no more BoB pets than AAA are D2 pets. This whote "pet" business is nothing but bs anyway, and its only used for immature progaranda.
BoB are our allies: we helpt them and they help us. Just the same way that RAZOR helps D2 and D2 helps RAZOR.
And for those of you who has been around or a while, you know that many in LV and BoB once where in the same alliance called Five. So the fact that we work together is only natural.
A much more interesting question is: how can an allianes like D2 work with Goon and RA?
Like they helped you defend JZV and the rest of your space for that matter? I do find it funny you actualyl believe those words coming out of your moth tho.
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Mss Alt
Gallente
The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:07:00 -
[930]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
A much more interesting question is: how can an allianes like D2 work with Goon and RA?
Politics have nothing to do with personal grudges. At least Goons, RA, D2 and RZR aren't tagged as backstabber by the rest of the universe.
Anybody remember the easter egg hunt last year? How can FIX be BoB's allies?
Anybody remember the EC episode? Who can Axiom be on BoB's side now?
Your logic doesn't stand up mate.
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maGz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:09:00 -
[931]
Edited by: maGz on 30/03/2007 12:06:41
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
We are no more BoB pets than AAA are D2 pets. This whote "pet" business is nothing but bs anyway, and its only used for immature progaranda.
BoB are our allies: we helpt them and they help us. Just the same way that RAZOR helps D2 and D2 helps RAZOR.
And for those of you who has been around or a while, you know that many in LV and BoB once where in the same alliance called Five. So the fact that we work together is only natural.
A much more interesting question is: how can an allianes like D2 work with Goon and RA?
A much more interesting question is: when will Chosen Path find a new alliance? You guys seem to go from alliance to alliance with most of them falling apart after a while
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:10:00 -
[932]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
We are no more BoB pets than AAA are D2 pets. This whote "pet" business is nothing but bs anyway, and its only used for immature progaranda.
BoB are our allies: we helpt them and they help us. Just the same way that RAZOR helps D2 and D2 helps RAZOR.
And for those of you who has been around or a while, you know that many in LV and BoB once where in the same alliance called Five. So the fact that we work together is only natural.
A much more interesting question is: how can an allianes like D2 work with Goon and RA?
Actually, there is a difference. Most of BoB's allies don't have space of their own, while most of the Coalition runs its own regions and is shown on sovereignty maps as their own independent entities. One of the main reasons IXC decided against staying in Feyth after the war was exactly that, we were not going to become BoB 'pets' or slaves. LV take up a middle position atm in my eyes. You had your own space until very recently, with all the responsibilities and independence that goes with it. Whether you devolve into a landless BoB-pet over time is your own choice still I think, and of course it might depend on the outcome of this war.
As for working with Goons and RA, what is the problem with them? Are you sure you want to bring up a discussion about that, seeing as to who you are allied with?
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:10:00 -
[933]
I said it on page 2 or so..and I'll say it again now:
Bleah
Best thing CCP could have done would be to issue 2D hex maps and let the fleet FC's battle it out on a tabletop. Having wargamed for over 25 years (beginning with AH Squad Leader) the only lag I ever noticed was the time it took to throw the dice and look up the results on the hit tables .
I had initially planned to log in and join the "fun" but I am very glad that I learned from my JV1V experience and had a very pleasant lag-free evening enjoying old episodes of the X-Files on DVD instead.
And out of the 35 pages I read of this thread only 10 posts or so actually report the battle results...the rest is just.....bleah
"Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...."
-General George Patton USA
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CRUSH3R
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:11:00 -
[934]
Originally by: Ya Wha
WTF?a cap on people in system?Has this been done before?If I were in LV I would be extremely angry atm.Looks like favouritism to me.
CCP-'Here are Titans,POS,Moms,Dreads'
Players-'Cool'
CCP-'Btw could you please limit the amount you field please'
Players-'Why?'
CCP-'Because the hardware has not been invented to support Alliance scale Warfare'
Players-'Then don't advertise your game to say that it can'
CCP-'But we didn't realise our game would be so popular'
Players-'Oh don't worry about that.You are doing a very good job at making it less appealing and popular'
CCP-'But....'
Players-'Bye Bye'
+1. CCP really must change game mechanics according their server capacities while overwise they are pushing people to create more and more large fleets when servers can't work under such load.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:11:00 -
[935]
Originally by: Mss Alt
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
A much more interesting question is: how can an allianes like D2 work with Goon and RA?
Politics have nothing to do with personal grudges. At least Goons, RA, D2 and RZR aren't tagged as backstabber by the rest of the universe.
Anybody remember the easter egg hunt last year? How can FIX be BoB's allies?
Anybody remember the EC episode? Who can Axiom be on BoB's side now?
Your logic doesn't stand up mate.
Sure it does, you just dont undertand it. My point is that LV and BoB has lots in common (we are neighbours, many of us once where in the same alliance, our former alliances also where friends, etc).
But what have D2 and goon in common? Or D2 and RA?
You need more than a common enemy to form a functional partnership, and time will show this to be true for the so called coalition, mark my words.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:11:00 -
[936]
Originally by: Mss Alt
Originally by: Noluck Ned
Originally by: Ethan Hawk
How is the feeling the coaltion is able to take a POS down and you are not able to do anything against it?
Killing all those caps was not doing anything against it?
What price to take a whole system from them? Not to smack you but please...accept that both sides are at least on equal footing. The only winner here was the lag.
Killing enemy ships is not an objective in a war.
You kill enemy ships for fun. The objective is to win the war and capital assembly POS killing is surely a step in winning the war.
BoB had fun / the coalition achieved their stated goal.
Post with your main.
I am afraid I have to nit-pick your statement.
Yes the coalition did succeed in their intended objective.. at an horrendous cost. Is this a price they are willing, and more importantly, able to pay time and time again? We will see.
Anyway my response was to the blatant flamebait/smack/untrue statement about "Not being able to do anything about it" I say a large scale cap ship loss is certainly not nothing.
It would have taken an act of God to save the POS from that many attacking dreads. When I set out last night I did have a small seed of hope, but the pragmatist in me already knew it was a lost cause. After that I was simply speculating on the amount of enemy capitals that would go down and may I say it exceeded my wildest expectations.
Well done to all involved.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:13:00 -
[937]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
We are no more BoB pets than AAA are D2 pets. This whote "pet" business is nothing but bs anyway, and its only used for immature progaranda.
Just ignore it mate. People believe into what they want to believe.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:18:00 -
[938]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: Mss Alt
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
A much more interesting question is: how can an allianes like D2 work with Goon and RA?
Politics have nothing to do with personal grudges. At least Goons, RA, D2 and RZR aren't tagged as backstabber by the rest of the universe.
Anybody remember the easter egg hunt last year? How can FIX be BoB's allies?
Anybody remember the EC episode? Who can Axiom be on BoB's side now?
Your logic doesn't stand up mate.
Sure it does, you just dont undertand it. My point is that LV and BoB has lots in common (we are neighbours, many of us once where in the same alliance, our former alliances also where friends, etc).
But what have D2 and goon in common? Or D2 and RA?
You need more than a common enemy to form a functional partnership, and time will show this to be true for the so called coalition, mark my words.
All they need in common is the unflinching determination to wipe your buddy BoB off the face of the map. And so far it sure seems they have that.
I recall the posts from LV from a week or two ago, how RA would abandon the Coalition now that LV were gone, that they would betray the Coalition in exchange for the plexes. Guess what, from looking at the killboards, it's pretty clear you were wrong. They're still here, aren't they.
I can understand those posts though, you expected RA to be less dependable than your buddy BoB who came over for just a few days, then once things went sour, they left you to die to RAGOON+ allies.
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BlackKnight
Minmatar
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:20:00 -
[939]
Originally by: Mss Alt
Originally by: BlackKnight
I've about reached my limit reading stupid threads like this one.
Let me spell it out for you.
I'm in Lotka Volterra. Ticker is LV. I am NOT BoB. I DON'T work for BoB. I'm NOT BoB's pet. I do what want, when I want, short of fulfilling the orders and requests of my CEO and those of LV Management.
Read this carefully: I don't refer to my self as BoB.
Do yourself a favor. Try putting your brain in gear before you set your mouth into four wheel drive.
Backbone? There's plenty of backbone here.
Anyone with more questions? Please feel free to convo me at your convenience.
I just said what I noticed on the forums.
MC might have the right to say BoB killed a lot of caps as they are hired by them but the other alliances involved on BoB's side ...
BoB allies clearly act as pets. Coalition members act like proper allies and that starts by refering to themselvs as 'we', not D2,RA,IRON,RZR.
'I was involved in the fight on BoB's side and BoB killed a lot of ships.'
vs
'I was involved in the fight on the coalition side and we killed a lot of ships.'
No. What you have done is taken a typical n00b twisted, bandwagon riding, ill informed perspective.
Here's another fact for you. The "coalition" has no choice in making any reference to themselves other than "we." Simply put, they lack the history, stature and notoriety of BoB that would allow them to stand alone. If they did, maybe the "coalition" would have another target to try and remove from Eve?
The flip side of the coin is that the "we," (on the LV side of the fence) uopn request from our superiors, respond to offer the support to BoB as we are directed to do so.
Enough time has been wasted on this garbage. My responding to your original thread, and any subsequent posts you make to attempt to justify them is nothing short of trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ass.
Congratulations BoB. Well done.
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Mss Alt
Gallente
The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:22:00 -
[940]
Originally by: Noluck Ned
Post with your main.
What makes you think that 'Mss Alt' is not my main.
Originally by: Noluck Ned
Anyway my response was to the blatant flamebait/smack/untrue statement about "Not being able to do anything about it" I say a large scale cap ship loss is certainly not nothing.
It would have taken an act of God to save the POS from that many attacking dreads. When I set out last night I did have a small seed of hope, but the pragmatist in me already knew it was a lost cause. After that I was simply speculating on the amount of enemy capitals that would go down and may I say it exceeded my wildest expectations.
Well done to all involved.
This brings memories from Stacraft games. The winner "I won the game."; the looser "yeah but I managed to nuke all of your drones in the last 30 seconds of the game, I wouldn't call that nothing."
I don't think these days anybody is stupid enough to bring things he can't afford to lose in a fight.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:25:00 -
[941]
O/ BK
F4T4L Recruitment |
Mss Alt
Gallente
The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:28:00 -
[942]
Originally by: BlackKnight
The flip side of the coin is that the "we," (on the LV side of the fence) uopn request from our superiors, respond to offer the support to BoB as we are directed to do so.
Congratulations BoB. Well done.
Clearly a master-slave relationship. And I don't think that LV are the masters.
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Yggdrassil
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:29:00 -
[943]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
We are no more BoB pets than AAA are D2 pets. This whote "pet" business is nothing but bs anyway, and its only used for immature progaranda.
Actually something I could agree with. Ppl/corps/alliances makes choices based upon what the cost is vs the benefits.
One price of these choices might be that other looks upon them as ppl with no honor, turncoats etc etc - but that is just a part or the package deal which they hopefully took into the calculation before making the move.
Some of my old friends made the choice to be teanants of BOB. I know for sure this wasn't an easy choice to make after fighting them for over a year. I do not know if it was a good move or not - but I do not look "down" on them for that. I WILL fight them though if it comes to that :)
The "pet" stamp is surely here to stay though. We got 2 huge blocks with interests that just don't combine - and a lot of people forced to pick a side. This war is too big to stand on the sideline, that will become a loose-loose situation whoever wins. It haven't been, and it won't become a "clean" war: somebody on both sides WILL take whatever measures needed to win.
In my opinion the biggest mistake CCP has done is to release the doomsday device, and partly making the titans so expensive. I seriously doubt that it has had the intended "anti-blob" effect CCP wanted. When you consider lag, you face risking the whole support fleet in one big boom - so... now you have to bring even more support to protect your capitals.
The titans would have rocked enough with their logistic abilities - insta-jumping a fleet on top of your enemies, bypassing camps and stuff like that.
Oh well, ranting ftl :(
Just remember to have FUN. That is what the game is about :)
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BlackKnight
Minmatar
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:29:00 -
[944]
Originally by: Noluck Ned
O/ BK
Greetings Ned!
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:29:00 -
[945]
Edited by: Noluck Ned on 30/03/2007 12:27:04
Originally by: Mss Alt
What makes you think that 'Mss Alt' is not my main.
Gee I dunno. Wild guess I suppose. But then again calling yourself Mss Main would make it too easy.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:34:00 -
[946]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
But what have D2 and goon in common? Or D2 and RA?
You need more than a common enemy to form a functional partnership, and time will show this to be true for the so called coalition, mark my words.
They have in common that they don't want McB more supercapitals. Furthermore they want them best dead
If last goal is ever archieved they will split and go their own way again, maybe even turning against each other. But until then they will work together quite well I think.
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Crax McGee
Gr0und Zer0
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:36:00 -
[947]
Originally by: Mss Alt
Originally by: Noluck Ned
Post with your main.
What makes you think that 'Mss Alt' is not my main.
Originally by: Noluck Ned
Anyway my response was to the blatant flamebait/smack/untrue statement about "Not being able to do anything about it" I say a large scale cap ship loss is certainly not nothing.
It would have taken an act of God to save the POS from that many attacking dreads. When I set out last night I did have a small seed of hope, but the pragmatist in me already knew it was a lost cause. After that I was simply speculating on the amount of enemy capitals that would go down and may I say it exceeded my wildest expectations.
Well done to all involved.
This brings memories from Stacraft games. The winner "I won the game."; the looser "yeah but I managed to nuke all of your drones in the last 30 seconds of the game, I wouldn't call that nothing."
I don't think these days anybody is stupid enough to bring things he can't afford to lose in a fight.
thats a fair enough statement in the end situation because well they won who cares what it took but this battle was not the end and far from it and no, no entity can afford to loose that amount of capitals regulary.
but yes if there was a titan inside it was a worthy sacrifice not it terms of isk but in terms of what another titan will do to a side that already has multiple
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Motorcycle Emptiness
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:48:00 -
[948]
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Valorem([email protected])
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Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:55:00 -
[949]
Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Valorem([email protected])
Very true man, at least I read what you said before the mods sniped it.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:55:00 -
[950]
I thought the forums were much worse during the GNW. There was alot more personal insults and so on. Even during BOB vs ASCN it was considerably nastier than now.
Or maybe even this is just based on bias. Maybe it feels soo much worse when you are on the other side being spammed with insults than it is when it's your side delivering them...
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:56:00 -
[951]
Originally by: Siopaos Soltueur
Originally by: Silenne Otsaku
it's an old debate.
Since 2004 i've see somes whine :
=> OMG we got lag 20vs20 (random fight)
=> OMG we got lag 50vs50 (small alliance scale engagemen)
=> OMG 400 in local, unpossible to play, crash node $^^$ (tribute)
=> OMG 150VS150 with 600 in local bring lag
=> OMG 1k vs 1k lag !!!!
you forget 1 things eahc times the previous limit is now playing really good.
who this days got lag with 20vs20 ???
50vs50 ?
and with acceptable lag 150vs150 ?
eve have evolved, eve have optimize code, better hardware, but it bring only 1 things : playberbase want MORE.
It's as race playerbase against ccp.
you're completely right, most folks conveniently forget that eve has come a long way..
even 50 vs 50 used to be laggy. I'm sure they'll eventually fix 1000 vs 1000 as well.
Yes and no:
- Hardware capability has evolved exponentially and now has nearly reached a natural cap due to transistors being limited in size.
- The game has evolved in complexity, algorithms, quality, service provided to the customer and most important player base.
Everything evolves, it's natural.
Has CCP kept the right balance between hardware evolution and game evolution to keep the contracts to its clients? I'd say not quite and we are seeing the evidence.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:09:00 -
[952]
Originally by: NATMav
Not really. The amount of hardware that CCP can throw at the problem is limited by the way the game is written. Right now, that limit is one node per system. Until that limitation can be overcome, there is no fix for this game.
Thrust me, there are always solutions for achievable goals, the key factors are the desire and the resources you're willing to dedicate.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:10:00 -
[953]
Anyways, I missed out on the "fun" being at work while this was all going on.
We did get to have a good ole fashioned furball in ED-9LT at the station with FIX though later in the evening.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:21:00 -
[954]
Originally by: Reto
Originally by: Gazelam
I feel compeled to say something reading through this thread. First of all, morale does not win wars. Morale is only good for getting people to fight in the first place (like the germans thinking they could take mother russia after smoking france). The coalition may have high morale from this fight which also means high pride; meaning they might deside to attack another pos and lose ~50 more dreads. That is all morale is good for. What wins wars is logistics, accurate information, firepower, and resourses. Meaning - this war is far from over. The japanese thought pearl harbor would break the Americans. They were wrong, the americans still had a fleet and restored many of their damaged ships. For those of you who hate WWII analogies. The death star was destroyed, but it was rebuilt. Try and learn something from history or you will become it. So keep saying "this is a moral victory" cause that may be the only gain in the long run (haven't you heard of a counter attack)?. This was not the last home system of BoB that was destroyed, look what RA has done from their war with only one system left. Thinking in the short term is going to get the coalition killed if they aren't careful. The question will be, will the quanitity of the Coalition defeat the quality of BoB in the end?
Second point - why cry about lag? Do you not think that if CCP had the power they would make it so millions of people could fight in one system - that they would make the best most profitable game they can? A game were you could land on planets and moons have massive varieties of ships and fight with every imaginable machine? They are working on it, and they are aware about lag! Do you think your spam will really make them go any faster?
P.S. your ships will not be pettitionable, you knew what you were getting into. (officer I swear the beer in my hand is not my fault)
You really dont have a clue. I can point to a myriad of conflicts where the supperior force, numbers wise technology wise and tactics wise lost due to simpily not wanting to prolong the fight. I will not name them here as I do not want to prolong this comparison you have made between this game and r/l warfare. But if you really wanna learn from history look at the Vietnam conflict and you will see a war lost due to low morale. Please dont preach to people on history then selectively choose what to quote.
On a side not I would still like to know why they capped the system at 700 and why they chose the exact moment they did to enable the cap.CCP knew long before this day they were going to have a cap in place. I wonder why the couldnt see fit to tell the participiants.
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:22:00 -
[955]
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 13:24:56
Quote:
BoB and LV don't have much in common, but what they have is the same disrespect for others and treating people like dirt.
Wow. Just Wow. Go read up and learn about the history of these two alliances, they have masses in common. And you talking about disrespect? Mirrors that way ->
P.S. After reading you employment history and seeing you have only been in an 0.0 alliance for 8 days I can see why you would make this mistake. I suggest you do you research before posting rubbish, unless being a member of 'Mega Mining Corporation' gives you insight to all of eve, it's alliances and players.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:25:00 -
[956]
Originally by: BlackKnight
Originally by: maGz
Edited by: maGz on 30/03/2007 11:47:20
Originally by: BlackKnight
Originally by: Mss Alt
What I find strange on these forums is that D2, IRON, RZR, RA, GOON & CO refer to themselves as the coalition while the Xelas, Coreli and LV guys refer to themselves as BOB.
Coalition statement: "We killed the POS".
BOB&pets statement: "BOB killed lots of capital ships".
Grow a backbone please.
Not pets right?
I've about reached my limit reading stupid threads like this one.
Let me spell it out for you.
I'm in Lotka Volterra. Ticker is LV. I am NOT BoB. I DON'T work for BoB. I'm NOT BoB's pet. I do what want, when I want, short of fulfilling the orders and requests of my CEO and those of LV Management.
Read this carefully: I don't refer to my self as BoB.
Do yourself a favor. Try putting your brain in gear before you set your mouth into four wheel drive.
Backbone? There's plenty of backbone here.
Anyone with more questions? Please feel free to convo me at your convenience.
You honestly believe that?
Damn right I do. Try lifting that hood off your eyes. It might enable you to see a bit better.
*snip* - Please do not troll and try to be civil to your fellow posters - Valorem
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Khensu Blade
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:31:00 -
[957]
What's a BoB pet? The only definition I can come up with from reading this thread is "Ally of BoB". ???
I'm guessing everyone has their own definition...
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:34:00 -
[958]
Originally by: Khensu Blade
What's a BoB pet? The only definition I can come up with from reading this thread is "Ally of BoB". ???
I'm guessing everyone has their own definition...
In order to successfully commit against an enemy in war you have to dehumanize your opponent. This is nothing other than that. Don't read to much into it and just ignore it.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:36:00 -
[959]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
We are no more BoB pets than AAA are D2 pets. This whote "pet" business is nothing but bs anyway, and its only used for immature progaranda.
Wrong.We call you pets because that is what you are ,and that is what BoB name¦s you in their internal forums.
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
BoB are our allies: we helpt them and they help us. Just the same way that RAZOR helps D2 and D2 helps RAZOR.
Wrong .you perceive BoB has your allies they perceive you as meat shield.
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
And for those of you who has been around or a while, you know that many in LV and BoB once where in the same alliance called Five. So the fact that we work together is only natural.
The five is dead ;(,and i agree some of the corps in LV are long friends with bob.
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
A much more interesting question is: how can an allianes like D2 work with Goon and RA?
That is dead easy,they just want you guys dead then they will fight each other.
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:38:00 -
[960]
Such a hoot that the Bobbits YET AGAIN got help by CCP that no one else knew about and they still couldn't hold their position. Honestly it was a brilliant tactic by BOB and pets. They stacked throwaway pet fleets in the systems leading up to F-T and then they packed their main cap fleet inside the system at the POS. So, the support fleets couldn't get there because unbeknownst to them or anyone else besides BOB, CCP had capped the limit of people inside the system. Thus, really the only coalition forces able to make it in were those cynoing in with caps. So, it really seems like Molle and "his balls" knew they were going to lose the Titan, they just decided to bork the game mechanics w/ their GM help to kill as many as possible w/o suffering staggering loses of their own.
Of course. . .if capping memeber limits in system is going to be the norm now, swell. However, i'm sure the little LV masses (those actually left ) are quite a bit miffed that this only got implemented for the Bobbits and not for them. Tho really not at all surprising.
Have fun reading all the Bobbit propaganda. Maybe this thread will get to 50 pages of their little Bobbit tears. I do sympathize tho. . .it must REALLY suck to lose a Titan THREE FREAKING DAYS before it comes outta the cooker. Jesus. . .all that time and effort. The Coalition has 90% of its 50 lost dreads replaced already, but ya can't replace a Titan that quick....
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End Yourself
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:39:00 -
[961]
Originally by: Khensu Blade
What's a BoB pet? The only definition I can come up with from reading this thread is "Ally of BoB". ???
I'm guessing everyone has their own definition...
Do you REALLY believe BoB considers you an ally? On a par?!?
---
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:40:00 -
[962]
Originally by: Brother Funkyshades
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Brother Funkyshades
ok... who said there are no isk sinks in eve?
No isk was sunk, ISK was actually created out of nothing.
Only minerals were sunk in this. Allow me to explain how ship loss actually works in EVE:
You mine minerals. We will say 10k trit.
You check your wallet, you have 10k ISK.
You build a ship with the 10k trit.
You spend 10k on insurance, you now have 0 trit, 0 isk, and a ship.
Your ship gets popped, you are given a 75k isk payout.
You now have 75k isk, and 0 trit. 65k isk has just been created. 10k trit, which was created, is gone.
The end result is 65k isk, 0 trit, has been added to EVE.
i think youre tryin to fool me with those calcs... theres something fishy... and its not just the insurance payout that has been blown way out of proportion.
for one its the modules, and im pretty sure, some of them cannot be built.
drones and fighters cannot be insured.
and the list goes on, but im tired and already soft in the head.
I do not know of any mods that can ONLY be purchased from NPCs for a ship.
Drones and Fighters might not be insurable, but you're missing the point, you bought those drones or fighters from smeone, and so the ISK never left the game, allow me to expand further:
You buy 10k trit from someone for 10k ISK.
You build a ship and mods with the trit.
You have 42 trit left.
You spent 100 isk on a production slot.
You insure the ship for 10k ISK.
At this point only 10.1k ISK has been sunk from EVE. The first 10k you spent is in game, in the wallet of the seller.
You then lose your ship.
You get a 50k ISK payout.
You recover half your mods (say, 1k trit worth).
At this point, 39.9k ISK has been introduced to EVE, and 9k trit is sunk out of EVE.
You started with 20.1k ISK.
You ended with 50k ISK and 1042 trit (42 leftover and 1k worth from the mods).
The numbers aren't an exact representation of EVE's insurance formula, but it doesn't make my point any less valid.
The ONLY ISK that was sunk in this battle was the ISK spent to buy the POS, as we all know you don;'t have to put a BPO/BPC at a pos to built the item (remote building skills ftw).
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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EzSnake
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
deadspace society
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:40:00 -
[963]
Originally by: Boliknar
On a side not I would still like to know why they capped the system at 700 and why they chose the exact moment they did to enable the cap.CCP knew long before this day they were going to have a cap in place. I wonder why the couldnt see fit to tell the participiants.
Do you really have to ask that question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rachen Mysuna
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
Quantum Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:43:00 -
[964]
always fun to read good smack
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:44:00 -
[965]
Originally by: Khensu Blade
What's a BoB pet? The only definition I can come up with from reading this thread is "Ally of BoB". ???
I'm guessing everyone has their own definition...
In this and other threads -- I've found the term "pet" used for someone who is living in another alliances sovereign space, sometimes paying rent, other times paying for the rent in common defence/etc activities.
An ally on the other hand lives in sovereign space of their own and works as part of a coalition of sovereign entities.
The reason why "pet" seems to be used in a derogatory mannor seems to stem from the fast the people using it are sovereign entity holders of their own, with all the POS/etc stuff that comes with it.
The interesting part of course is, some of these so called "pet" alliances do hold sovereignity, however they seem to be marked under the "official" map under another entity. Hence again the use of "pet" term by those who are market on the "official" map themselves.
I suppose "pet" term is less offensive anyway than what the terms for such entities were previously referred as (mining slave/b****)...
That's what I've picked up so far anyway... will continue to follow in awe .
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:44:00 -
[966]
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 13:43:30
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 13:41:15
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Such a hoot that the Bobbits YET AGAIN got help by CCP that no one else knew about and they still couldn't hold their position. Honestly it was a brilliant tactic by BOB and pets. They stacked throwaway pet fleets in the systems leading up to F-T and then they packed their main cap fleet inside the system at the POS. So, the support fleets couldn't get there because unbeknownst to them or anyone else besides BOB, CCP had capped the limit of people inside the system. Thus, really the only coalition forces able to make it in were those cynoing in with caps. So, it really seems like Molle and "his balls" knew they were going to lose the Titan, they just decided to bork the game mechanics w/ their GM help to kill as many as possible w/o suffering staggering loses of their own.
Of course. . .if capping memeber limits in system is going to be the norm now, swell. However, i'm sure the little LV masses (those actually left ) are quite a bit miffed that this only got implemented for the Bobbits and not for them. Tho really not at all surprising.
Have fun reading all the Bobbit propaganda. Maybe this thread will get to 50 pages of their little Bobbit tears. I do sympathize tho. . .it must REALLY suck to lose a Titan THREE FREAKING DAYS before it comes outta the cooker. Jesus. . .all that time and effort. The Coalition has 90% of its 50 lost dreads replaced already, but ya can't replace a Titan that quick....
LV are not miffed, JV1V never exceeded 600 players so it never hit the cap that was announced and implemented by CCP well nearly 9 months ago. LV's problems in JV1V where due to node crashes/resets by admins.
This never happened last night as the node's held but did reach the cap. Completely different situation.
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:51:00 -
[967]
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Such a hoot that the Bobbits YET AGAIN got help by CCP that no one else knew about and they still couldn't hold their position. Honestly it was a brilliant tactic by BOB and pets. They stacked throwaway pet fleets in the systems leading up to F-T and then they packed their main cap fleet inside the system at the POS. So, the support fleets couldn't get there because unbeknownst to them or anyone else besides BOB, CCP had capped the limit of people inside the system. Thus, really the only coalition forces able to make it in were those cynoing in with caps. So, it really seems like Molle and "his balls" knew they were going to lose the Titan, they just decided to bork the game mechanics w/ their GM help to kill as many as possible w/o suffering staggering loses of their own.
Of course. . .if capping memeber limits in system is going to be the norm now, swell. However, i'm sure the little LV masses (those actually left ) are quite a bit miffed that this only got implemented for the Bobbits and not for them. Tho really not at all surprising.
Have fun reading all the Bobbit propaganda. Maybe this thread will get to 50 pages of their little Bobbit tears. I do sympathize tho. . .it must REALLY suck to lose a Titan THREE FREAKING DAYS before it comes outta the cooker. Jesus. . .all that time and effort. The Coalition has 90% of its 50 lost dreads replaced already, but ya can't replace a Titan that quick....
Yeye, it gets old. Bob has help, Bob is evil, Bob is bad.
Sorry, but the propaganda doesn't work anymore. Trying to polarize and dividing the eve community into the good and evil.
The tactics of shooting the pos down and than crashing the node to have the capitals save just didn't work because CCP learned from the Jv1v incident.
And yes, you have it all replaced. etc etc etc. Then show up please at the next of the further 10 "evil" Capital ships yards if you got them replaced already.
Awaiting you...
... Sincerly
c0rn1
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
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Khensu Blade
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:58:00 -
[968]
Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Khensu Blade
What's a BoB pet? The only definition I can come up with from reading this thread is "Ally of BoB". ???
I'm guessing everyone has their own definition...
In this and other threads -- I've found the term "pet" used for someone who is living in another alliances sovereign space, sometimes paying rent, other times paying for the rent in common defence/etc activities.
An ally on the other hand lives in sovereign space of their own and works as part of a coalition of sovereign entities.
The reason why "pet" seems to be used in a derogatory mannor seems to stem from the fast the people using it are sovereign entity holders of their own, with all the POS/etc stuff that comes with it.
The interesting part of course is, some of these so called "pet" alliances do hold sovereignity, however they seem to be marked under the "official" map under another entity. Hence again the use of "pet" term by those who are market on the "official" map themselves.
I suppose "pet" term is less offensive anyway than what the terms for such entities were previously referred as (mining slave/b****)...
That's what I've picked up so far anyway... will continue to follow in awe .
I was basically trying to point out that the word has lost all meaning as it pertains to how people are trying to use it. There is no one qualifying factor that all of these so called "pets" fall under.(at least I doubt anyone can come up with said definition) The word is simply used now in an attempt to insult and belittle anyone who would dare be friends to BoB. I think people have a lot of misconceptions as to the relationships between BoB and some of their allys as well.
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:58:00 -
[969]
Originally by: PirateShampoo
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 13:43:30
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 13:41:15
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Such a hoot that the Bobbits YET AGAIN got help by CCP that no one else knew about and they still couldn't hold their position. Honestly it was a brilliant tactic by BOB and pets. They stacked throwaway pet fleets in the systems leading up to F-T and then they packed their main cap fleet inside the system at the POS. So, the support fleets couldn't get there because unbeknownst to them or anyone else besides BOB, CCP had capped the limit of people inside the system. Thus, really the only coalition forces able to make it in were those cynoing in with caps. So, it really seems like Molle and "his balls" knew they were going to lose the Titan, they just decided to bork the game mechanics w/ their GM help to kill as many as possible w/o suffering staggering loses of their own.
Of course. . .if capping memeber limits in system is going to be the norm now, swell. However, i'm sure the little LV masses (those actually left ) are quite a bit miffed that this only got implemented for the Bobbits and not for them. Tho really not at all surprising.
Have fun reading all the Bobbit propaganda. Maybe this thread will get to 50 pages of their little Bobbit tears. I do sympathize tho. . .it must REALLY suck to lose a Titan THREE FREAKING DAYS before it comes outta the cooker. Jesus. . .all that time and effort. The Coalition has 90% of its 50 lost dreads replaced already, but ya can't replace a Titan that quick....
LV are not miffed, JV1V never exceeded 600 players so it never hit the cap that was announced and implemented by CCP well nearly 9 months ago. LV's problems in JV1V where due to node crashes/resets by admins.
This never happened last night as the node's held but did reach the cap. Completely different situation.
Considering I was there and saw local hit 800+ at one time. . .uh, yeah. . .there were more than 600. Nice try at spin there bro. I'm not really getting ****ed at CCP limiting people into 1 system (tho this inherently helps BOB who have smaller numbers and who are going to be on the defense for awhile). . .but CCP didn't decide to tell anyone that they were gonna do this for F-T. . .except the Bobbits who obviously knew according to the way they set their defenses up. Pointing back to some obscure dev blog written months ago and yelling AHA! just doesn't work.
Oh. . .but wait. . .there WAS no Titan. There are no infidels inside Holy Iraq! We are not the people you are looking for. <does Jedi mind control>
By the way. . .has anyone read the wonderfully UNBIASED news piece when entering the game? I guess since the Coalition has "no backbone" you won't see 1000 people show up again in a few days. Go back to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep......<more mind control>
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:02:00 -
[970]
Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Such a hoot that the Bobbits YET AGAIN got help by CCP that no one else knew about and they still couldn't hold their position. Honestly it was a brilliant tactic by BOB and pets. They stacked throwaway pet fleets in the systems leading up to F-T and then they packed their main cap fleet inside the system at the POS. So, the support fleets couldn't get there because unbeknownst to them or anyone else besides BOB, CCP had capped the limit of people inside the system. Thus, really the only coalition forces able to make it in were those cynoing in with caps. So, it really seems like Molle and "his balls" knew they were going to lose the Titan, they just decided to bork the game mechanics w/ their GM help to kill as many as possible w/o suffering staggering loses of their own.
Of course. . .if capping memeber limits in system is going to be the norm now, swell. However, i'm sure the little LV masses (those actually left ) are quite a bit miffed that this only got implemented for the Bobbits and not for them. Tho really not at all surprising.
Have fun reading all the Bobbit propaganda. Maybe this thread will get to 50 pages of their little Bobbit tears. I do sympathize tho. . .it must REALLY suck to lose a Titan THREE FREAKING DAYS before it comes outta the cooker. Jesus. . .all that time and effort. The Coalition has 90% of its 50 lost dreads replaced already, but ya can't replace a Titan that quick....
Yeye, it gets old. Bob has help, Bob is evil, Bob is bad.
Sorry, but the propaganda doesn't work anymore. Trying to polarize and dividing the eve community into the good and evil.
The tactics of shooting the pos down and than crashing the node to have the capitals save just didn't work because CCP learned from the Jv1v incident.
And yes, you have it all replaced. etc etc etc. Then show up please at the next of the further 10 "evil" Capital ships yards if you got them replaced already.
Awaiting you...
... Sincerly
c0rn1
Where did I ever say anything about good and evil? You're the one ranting about that. I was speaking in terms of who receives GM perks and who doesn't. And by the way. . .if that Sincerly is in your signature it needs another "e".
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:03:00 -
[971]
Liquid your trolling is sinking to lower depths than even I thought possible. Given that I was at JV1V along with the rest of LV/Exe and Rise, none of us saw 800 in that system - it's complete rubbish, anyone from there will confirm that.
I don't believe anyone saw you there either? Perhaps someone will speak up on your behalf and prove you where there but I doubt it.
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Brother Funkyshades
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:05:00 -
[972]
Edited by: Brother Funkyshades on 30/03/2007 14:02:29
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I do not know of any mods that can ONLY be purchased from NPCs for a ship.
Drones and Fighters might not be insurable, but you're missing the point, you bought those drones or fighters from smeone, and so the ISK never left the game, allow me to expand further:
yo, youre right of course, was a bit tired yesterday, and i still am.
when i talked about the modules i was referring to faction/officer stuff.
about the drones/fighters: i still think theres a little mistake, but feel free to correct me (again)
Carl Bear mines his rear end off and builds a templar, a fighter drone used by carriers. He therefor created a value of X isk.
you buy that thing off him, maybe for x+10% but actually i dont care. therefor you just transfer isk, ok point taken.
but that doesnt negate the value of the fighter that gets destroyed.
an equivalent of x isk leave the game upon its poppage. well, problem bein, the only isk(heck or even minerals, i dont see too much difference between time,minerals and isk) that gets sunk is the isk that got introduced by carl bear.
if we start to derail the thread to much, please feel free to correct me in another thread, just post the link.
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:07:00 -
[973]
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Originally by: PirateShampoo
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 13:43:30
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 13:41:15
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Such a hoot that the Bobbits YET AGAIN got help by CCP that no one else knew about and they still couldn't hold their position. Honestly it was a brilliant tactic by BOB and pets. They stacked throwaway pet fleets in the systems leading up to F-T and then they packed their main cap fleet inside the system at the POS. So, the support fleets couldn't get there because unbeknownst to them or anyone else besides BOB, CCP had capped the limit of people inside the system. Thus, really the only coalition forces able to make it in were those cynoing in with caps. So, it really seems like Molle and "his balls" knew they were going to lose the Titan, they just decided to bork the game mechanics w/ their GM help to kill as many as possible w/o suffering staggering loses of their own.
Of course. . .if capping memeber limits in system is going to be the norm now, swell. However, i'm sure the little LV masses (those actually left ) are quite a bit miffed that this only got implemented for the Bobbits and not for them. Tho really not at all surprising.
Have fun reading all the Bobbit propaganda. Maybe this thread will get to 50 pages of their little Bobbit tears. I do sympathize tho. . .it must REALLY suck to lose a Titan THREE FREAKING DAYS before it comes outta the cooker. Jesus. . .all that time and effort. The Coalition has 90% of its 50 lost dreads replaced already, but ya can't replace a Titan that quick....
LV are not miffed, JV1V never exceeded 600 players so it never hit the cap that was announced and implemented by CCP well nearly 9 months ago. LV's problems in JV1V where due to node crashes/resets by admins.
This never happened last night as the node's held but did reach the cap. Completely different situation.
Considering I was there and saw local hit 800+ at one time. . .uh, yeah. . .there were more than 600. Nice try at spin there bro. I'm not really getting ****ed at CCP limiting people into 1 system (tho this inherently helps BOB who have smaller numbers and who are going to be on the defense for awhile). . .but CCP didn't decide to tell anyone that they were gonna do this for F-T. . .except the Bobbits who obviously knew according to the way they set their defenses up. Pointing back to some obscure dev blog written months ago and yelling AHA! just doesn't work.
Oh. . .but wait. . .there WAS no Titan. There are no infidels inside Holy Iraq! We are not the people you are looking for. <does Jedi mind control>
By the way. . .has anyone read the wonderfully UNBIASED news piece when entering the game? I guess since the Coalition has "no backbone" you won't see 1000 people show up again in a few days. Go back to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep......<more mind control>
Personally telling everyone would not have solved anything, and I don't think the plan was to cap the limit on the node till they saw the amount of people that were going to come. It did give the defenders a bigger advantage, but whats done is done CCP really needs to think of something to discourage fights like these, but hey we got what we wanted when we asked for this stuff so long ago...
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Karma Kahn
Amarr
OLE Mining Corp
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Liquid Vision
Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Such a hoot that the Bobbits YET AGAIN got help by CCP that no one else knew about and they still couldn't hold their position. Honestly it was a brilliant tactic by BOB and pets. They stacked throwaway pet fleets in the systems leading up to F-T and then they packed their main cap fleet inside the system at the POS. So, the support fleets couldn't get there because unbeknownst to them or anyone else besides BOB, CCP had capped the limit of people inside the system. Thus, really the only coalition forces able to make it in were those cynoing in with caps. So, it really seems like Molle and "his balls" knew they were going to lose the Titan, they just decided to bork the game mechanics w/ their GM help to kill as many as possible w/o suffering staggering loses of their own.
Of course. . .if capping memeber limits in system is going to be the norm now, swell. However, i'm sure the little LV masses (those actually left ) are quite a bit miffed that this only got implemented for the Bobbits and not for them. Tho really not at all surprising.
Have fun reading all the Bobbit propaganda. Maybe this thread will get to 50 pages of their little Bobbit tears. I do sympathize tho. . .it must REALLY suck to lose a Titan THREE FREAKING DAYS before it comes outta the cooker. Jesus. . .all that time and effort. The Coalition has 90% of its 50 lost dreads replaced already, but ya can't replace a Titan that quick....
Yeye, it gets old. Bob has help, Bob is evil, Bob is bad.
Sorry, but the propaganda doesn't work anymore. Trying to polarize and dividing the eve community into the good and evil.
The tactics of shooting the pos down and than crashing the node to have the capitals save just didn't work because CCP learned from the Jv1v incident.
And yes, you have it all replaced. etc etc etc. Then show up please at the next of the further 10 "evil" Capital ships yards if you got them replaced already.
Awaiting you...
... Sincerly
c0rn1
Where did I ever say anything about good and evil? You're the one ranting about that. I was speaking in terms of who receives GM perks and who doesn't. And by the way. . .if that Sincerly is in your signature it needs another "e".
No one was informed hence support fleets from either side did not make it in. Instead of whining gm favouristims everytime you dont like something why dont ya just step away from your pc and think before you post crap and make a complete **** of yourself everytime you post. First you spout of that the people jumping in have the advantage when it suits your point of view then when it doesn't the defenders have it. Your an arse either come to an educated decision and decide on which one it really is or stfu.
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Malvahne
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:09:00 -
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Seeing as I am a newbie and do not know much about EVE except for F1, F2, F3. I read that there was a 700 cap used last night (I wasent there so I wouldent know) but if its true that 700 people is going to be the max a system will be holding in the future does this mean Goonswarm got a Iwin mode going perhaps since they should easely be able to fill up a system with 700 people in a hartbeat specialy if they ask a few friends to help.
How will any one be able to take space from them if all you have to do is have X amount of people in it?
Please dont look at my alliance I post this a general EVE player who just has to watch the war from the sideline due to RL.
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:11:00 -
[976]
Originally by: Liquid Vision
. . .except the Bobbits who obviously knew according to the way they set their defenses up. Pointing back to some obscure dev blog written months ago and yelling AHA! just doesn't work.
Ok, wtf! Explain how swarming a POS that is almost certainly under going to be under attack by dreads with dreads is knowing the enemy support fleet can't get in. If they really knew the way this would work, they would've likewise had their support fleet already there to*****block the entire coalition, as I understand it, their support fleet also was not in the system itself. SO PLEASE, STFU! WAAAHHHH BOB DEVSPLOIT THE SKY IS FALLING HATE BOB RAWRRRR. shut up
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searchi
tiberian suns
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:18:00 -
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the amount of people in here brownnosing bob is really amazing. do u all really want to be dominated by them? if u havent noticed the bob fanclub is larger than the coalition ever was. thanx to traitor pigs and turncoats.
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Valorem
Amarr
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:24:00 -
[978]
Please stay on topic.
While we understand that feelings on this issue run deep, we would appreciate it if you could speak courteously to each other, refrain from trolling and do not indulge in personal attacks.
Kind regards
Valorem
P.S Of course, and most importantly, do not discuss moderation
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:26:00 -
[979]
Edited by: Buxaroo on 30/03/2007 14:23:06
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Such a hoot that the Bobbits YET AGAIN got help by CCP that no one else knew about and they still couldn't hold their position. Honestly it was a brilliant tactic by BOB and pets. They stacked throwaway pet fleets in the systems leading up to F-T and then they packed their main cap fleet inside the system at the POS. So, the support fleets couldn't get there because unbeknownst to them or anyone else besides BOB, CCP had capped the limit of people inside the system. Thus, really the only coalition forces able to make it in were those cynoing in with caps. So, it really seems like Molle and "his balls" knew they were going to lose the Titan, they just decided to bork the game mechanics w/ their GM help to kill as many as possible w/o suffering staggering loses of their own.
Of course. . .if capping memeber limits in system is going to be the norm now, swell. However, i'm sure the little LV masses (those actually left [:lol:
) are quite a bit miffed that this only got implemented for the Bobbits and not for them. Tho really not at all surprising.
Have fun reading all the Bobbit propaganda. Maybe this thread will get to 50 pages of their little Bobbit tears. I do sympathize tho. . .it must REALLY suck to lose a Titan THREE FREAKING DAYS before it comes outta the cooker. Jesus. . .all that time and effort. The Coalition has 90% of its 50 lost dreads replaced already, but ya can't replace a Titan that quick....
Considering I was there and saw local hit 800+ at one time. . .uh, yeah. . .there were more than 600. Nice try at spin there bro. I'm not really getting ****ed at CCP limiting people into 1 system (tho this inherently helps BOB who have smaller numbers and who are going to be on the defense for awhile). . .but CCP didn't decide to tell anyone that they were gonna do this for F-T. . .except the Bobbits who obviously knew according to the way they set their defenses up. Pointing back to some obscure dev blog written months ago and yelling AHA! just doesn't work.
Oh. . .but wait. . .there WAS no Titan. There are no infidels inside Holy Iraq! We are not the people you are looking for. <does Jedi mind control>
By the way. . .has anyone read the wonderfully UNBIASED news piece when entering the game? I guess since the Coalition has "no backbone" you won't see 1000 people show up again in a few days. Go back to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep......<more mind control>
So what you are essentially saying is that BoB knows how to read and comprehend what was said in a blog and took advantage of it but the rest of the coalition wasn't that bright and not dedicated enough to pay attention to dev's blogs etc. BoB may or may not have known about the 700 cap but if they did, it wasn't because some GM whispered in their ear about it. It was because they have the brains to read everything and KNOW the game mechanics and anticipate what may or maynot happen. You are talking about dedicated people here. Not whimsical WoW players.
It's not BoB's fault that they have the foresight and brains to use a "obscure dev blog written 9 months ago" to their advantage. It's called dedication and knowing how the game works.
Having said that, the cap on how many people can be in a system isn't the greatest of fixes but it's workable and I do see how it can be taken advantage of. It reminds me of the continent lock on Planetside. And I think they should re-write the code to use multiple nodes to handle traffic-intensive systems like Jita and combat zones. Either way the system fails everyone.
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:26:00 -
[980]
Originally by: Valorem
Please stay on topic.
While we understand that feelings on this issue run deep, we would appreciate it if you could speak courteously to each other, refrain from trolling and do not indulge in personal attacks.
Kind regards
Valorem
P.S Of course, and most importantly, do not discuss moderation
Lol havent you guys learned yet thats not gonna happen
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:26:00 -
[981]
In answer to the tinfoilhattery going on w/ regards to BoB taking advantage of the 700 limit: get real. If that was the case, we would have had 700 people in there hours before the POS came out of reinforced, and we wouldn't have jumped a 150-man fleet into J-L 20 minutes prior. Said fleet tried to come back into F-T to pop the cynos, but we all know how that ended.
FLAMING
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Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:27:00 -
[982]
Originally by: Khensu Blade
Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Khensu Blade
What's a BoB pet? The only definition I can come up with from reading this thread is "Ally of BoB". ???
I'm guessing everyone has their own definition...
In this and other threads -- I've found the term "pet" used for someone who is living in another alliances sovereign space, sometimes paying rent, other times paying for the rent in common defence/etc activities.
An ally on the other hand lives in sovereign space of their own and works as part of a coalition of sovereign entities.
er another entity. Hence again the use of "pet" term by those who are market on the "official" map themselves.
I suppose "pet" term is less offensive anyway than what the terms for such entities were previously referred as (mining slave/b****)...
That's what I've picked up so far anyway... will continue to follow in awe .
I was basically trying to point out that the word has lost all meaning as it pertains to how people are trying to use it. There is no one qualifying factor that all of these so called "pets" fall under.(at least I doubt anyone can come up with said definition) The word is simply used now in an attempt to insult and belittle anyone who would dare be friends to BoB. I think people have a lot of misconceptions as to the relationships between BoB and some of their allys as well.
BoB internally refers/used to refer to entities like fallen souls, xelas... as pets.
The following is just an educated guess but i think at one point it was decided that to keep their pets happy it would be better to stop doing so. Alot of BoB members i know still call you pets outside of the public though. And almost all still consider you pets.
And there is no reason for BoB to treat entities that have proven to be unable to stand on their own feet as allies on a par, is there?
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:36:00 -
[983]
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 30/03/2007 14:28:13
In answer to the tinfoilhattery going on w/ regards to BoB taking advantage of the 700 limit: get real. If that was the case, we would have had 700 people in there hours before the POS came out of reinforced, and we wouldn't have jumped a 150-man fleet into J-L 20 minutes prior. Said fleet tried to come back into F-T to pop the cynos, but we all know how that ended.
EDIT: Sorry boss, I know I'm not supposed to post here, but call it compensation for the 4 hours of jump queues and lag while you were looking after the old lady
post with your main.
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:37:00 -
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Why people are making fun of the coalition losses ?
Do you think the number of losses was due to superior pvp tactics or fleet command capability ?
More then half of the coalition forces never entered the target system not due to blockade forces or defence tactic, but only to game mechanics or because a GM didnt allow it. A Titan and a 200 support fleet never entered the system even making use of a jumpo bridge. We tried 3 times .. not a single ship managed to jump in.
Do you guys really think that we were trying to break the node ? NO, on a personal note I play to have fun not to win a fight at any cost. I'm sure I wasnt the only one thinking the same yesterday...
The coalition lost so many capital ships because they were outnumbered and without any support, not because the Coalition FC's thougt that was a good tactic, but due to the fact that it looks the game fails very badly in delivering a good game experience in big fleet battles.
It wasnt a fair fight, it was very far from being a fair fight. BOB and allies arent the ones to blame, and the coalition side either. The game architecture fails. The 700 pilot limit has nothing to do with alliance capabilites, it has to do with the lack of game capabilities.
The coalition capital fleet jumped in knowing that they would face severe casualties, but the objective of killing the pos was to be achieved. We did it. Stop making fun of the casualties. There is only one entity to make fun, if you have to make fun of something, and that is CCP and their external imposed limits.
I say very nice job to all the involved parties.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:39:00 -
[985]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 30/03/2007 14:28:13
In answer to the tinfoilhattery going on w/ regards to BoB taking advantage of the 700 limit: get real. If that was the case, we would have had 700 people in there hours before the POS came out of reinforced, and we wouldn't have jumped a 150-man fleet into J-L 20 minutes prior. Said fleet tried to come back into F-T to pop the cynos, but we all know how that ended.
EDIT: Sorry boss, I know I'm not supposed to post here, but call it compensation for the 4 hours of jump queues and lag while you were looking after the old lady
post with your main.
This IS my main.
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Mr Mozzie
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:48:00 -
[986]
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Nez Sewers
Black Toilet.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:49:00 -
[987]
So much whining after such a great victory?
Stop plz! Or people will start thinking that BoB won the battle
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:49:00 -
[988]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Edited by: Buxaroo on 30/03/2007 14:23:06
Originally by: Liquid Vision
Such a hoot that the Bobbits YET AGAIN got help by CCP that no one else knew about and they still couldn't hold their position. Honestly it was a brilliant tactic by BOB and pets. They stacked throwaway pet fleets in the systems leading up to F-T and then they packed their main cap fleet inside the system at the POS. So, the support fleets couldn't get there because unbeknownst to them or anyone else besides BOB, CCP had capped the limit of people inside the system. Thus, really the only coalition forces able to make it in were those cynoing in with caps. So, it really seems like Molle and "his balls" knew they were going to lose the Titan, they just decided to bork the game mechanics w/ their GM help to kill as many as possible w/o suffering staggering loses of their own.
Of course. . .if capping memeber limits in system is going to be the norm now, swell. However, i'm sure the little LV masses (those actually left [:lol:
) are quite a bit miffed that this only got implemented for the Bobbits and not for them. Tho really not at all surprising.
Have fun reading all the Bobbit propaganda. Maybe this thread will get to 50 pages of their little Bobbit tears. I do sympathize tho. . .it must REALLY suck to lose a Titan THREE FREAKING DAYS before it comes outta the cooker. Jesus. . .all that time and effort. The Coalition has 90% of its 50 lost dreads replaced already, but ya can't replace a Titan that quick....
Considering I was there and saw local hit 800+ at one time. . .uh, yeah. . .there were more than 600. Nice try at spin there bro. I'm not really getting ****ed at CCP limiting people into 1 system (tho this inherently helps BOB who have smaller numbers and who are going to be on the defense for awhile). . .but CCP didn't decide to tell anyone that they were gonna do this for F-T. . .except the Bobbits who obviously knew according to the way they set their defenses up. Pointing back to some obscure dev blog written months ago and yelling AHA! just doesn't work.
Oh. . .but wait. . .there WAS no Titan. There are no infidels inside Holy Iraq! We are not the people you are looking for. <does Jedi mind control>
By the way. . .has anyone read the wonderfully UNBIASED news piece when entering the game? I guess since the Coalition has "no backbone" you won't see 1000 people show up again in a few days. Go back to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep......<more mind control>
So what you are essentially saying is that BoB knows how to read and comprehend what was said in a blog and took advantage of it but the rest of the coalition wasn't that bright and not dedicated enough to pay attention to dev's blogs etc. BoB may or may not have known about the 700 cap but if they did, it wasn't because some GM whispered in their ear about it. It was because they have the brains to read everything and KNOW the game mechanics and anticipate what may or maynot happen. You are talking about dedicated people here. Not whimsical WoW players.
It's not BoB's fault that they have the foresight and brains to use a "obscure dev blog written 9 months ago" to their advantage. It's called dedication and knowing how the game works.
Having said that, the cap on how many people can be in a system isn't the greatest of fixes but it's workable and I do see how it can be taken advantage of. It reminds me of the continent lock on Planetside. And I think they should re-write the code to use multiple nodes to handle traffic-intensive systems like Jita and combat zones. Either way the system fails everyone.
Same old BoB here on this thread argueing both sides. "GMs did tell anyone!! Thats why our support fleet wasnt there either!!" Wait thats not working...ok."Yeah tey said this months ago...see we are just smarter than you!!!!"
/me waits to see what the the next arguement is.
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:57:00 -
[989]
Quote:
Same old BoB here on this thread argueing both sides. "GMs did tell anyone!! Thats why our support fleet wasnt there either!!" Wait thats not working...ok."Yeah tey said this months ago...see we are just smarter than you!!!!"
Humm, well I see liquid vision trying to put across usual trolling posts and I see someone trying to rebut him, neither are BoB. I suggest you take Nez's very sound advice in the post a couple above.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 14:57:00 -
[990]
Edited by: Boliknar on 30/03/2007 14:54:53
Originally by: DeadDuck
Why people are making fun of the coalition losses ?
Do you think the number of losses was due to superior pvp tactics or fleet command capability ?
More then half of the coalition forces never entered the target system not due to blockade forces or defence tactic, but only to game mechanics or because a GM didnt allow it. A Titan and a 200 support fleet never entered the system even making use of a jumpo bridge. We tried 3 times .. not a single ship managed to jump in.
Do you guys really think that we were trying to break the node ? NO, on a personal note I play to have fun not to win a fight at any cost. I'm sure I wasnt the only one thinking the same yesterday...
The coalition lost so many capital ships because they were outnumbered and without any support, not because the Coalition FC's thougt that was a good tactic, but due to the fact that it looks the game fails very badly in delivering a good game experience in big fleet battles.
It wasnt a fair fight, it was very far from being a fair fight. BOB and allies arent the ones to blame, and the coalition side either. The game architecture fails. The 700 pilot limit has nothing to do with alliance capabilites, it has to do with the lack of game capabilities.
The coalition capital fleet jumped in knowing that they would face severe casualties, but the objective of killing the pos was to be achieved. We did it. Stop making fun of the casualties. There is only one entity to make fun, if you have to make fun of something, and that is CCP and their external imposed limits.
I say very nice job to all the involved parties.
What you are failing to realize is that the 700 rule is anything but that. Its an arbitrary thing that suspect (all of ccp is suspect after recent events)GMs can throw around and use willy nilly...When it suits them and their goals. Just stop and think why is it these things never ever go against BoB? Coincidence can only account for so much people. Open your eyes and look at all of the evidence logically. Only on sensible conclusion can be made.
And no I wont just quit. One reason being that I prefer to stick around and see if I can help institute change in something that can still be great fun.
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:10:00 -
[991]
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 15:07:32
Quote:
What you are failing to realize is that the 700 rule is anything but that. Its an arbitrary thing that suspect (all of ccp is suspect after recent events)GMs can throw around and use willy nilly...When it suits them and their goals. Just stop and think why is it these things never ever go against BoB? Coincidence can only account for so much people. Open your eyes and look at all of the evidence logically. Only on sensible conclusion can be made.
CCP has never said the limit was arbitrary where do you get these supposed facts from? The blog said 700 and when 700 got into the system the cap was activated, looks completely automated to me. In addition given the fact that BoB could also not get their support fleet in due to the cap completely rubbishes your proposition that BoB received so called unfair advantage due to the cap.
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:14:00 -
[992]
Originally by: Boliknar
What you are failing to realize is that the 700 rule is anything but that. Its an arbitrary thing that suspect (all of ccp is suspect after recent events)GMs can throw around and use willy nilly...When it suits them and their goals. Just stop and think why is it these things never ever go against BoB? Coincidence can only account for so much people. Open your eyes and look at all of the evidence logically. Only on sensible conclusion can be made.
And no I wont just quit. One reason being that I prefer to stick around and see if I can help institute change in something that can still be great fun.
Obviously, any number of sensible conclusions can be reached, but the most sensible one of all is that CCP is simply trying to deal as best they can with a tough situation. You would have preferred a node crash? Your alternatives with current architecture limitations are a node crash or player limits. You pick.
In JV1V you got the node crash -- and you won completely. So I guess you like those now. If CCP is so desperate for the coalition to lose, why did they allow the disaster of JV1V, and then refuse all compensation to LV? LV had no chance whatsoever to defend their system; they got screwed as badly as anyone ever has been in this game. Can you imagine the howling if that'd happened to the Coalition? People like you would have gone berserk.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:20:00 -
[993]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Why people are making fun of the coalition losses ?
Do you think the number of losses was due to superior pvp tactics or fleet command capability ?
More then half of the coalition forces never entered the target system not due to blockade forces or defence tactic, but only to game mechanics or because a GM didnt allow it. A Titan and a 200 support fleet never entered the system even making use of a jumpo bridge. We tried 3 times .. not a single ship managed to jump in.
Do you guys really think that we were trying to break the node ? NO, on a personal note I play to have fun not to win a fight at any cost. I'm sure I wasnt the only one thinking the same yesterday...
The coalition lost so many capital ships because they were outnumbered and without any support, not because the Coalition FC's thougt that was a good tactic, but due to the fact that it looks the game fails very badly in delivering a good game experience in big fleet battles.
It wasnt a fair fight, it was very far from being a fair fight. BOB and allies arent the ones to blame, and the coalition side either. The game architecture fails. The 700 pilot limit has nothing to do with alliance capabilites, it has to do with the lack of game capabilities.
The coalition capital fleet jumped in knowing that they would face severe casualties, but the objective of killing the pos was to be achieved. We did it. Stop making fun of the casualties. There is only one entity to make fun, if you have to make fun of something, and that is CCP and their external imposed limits.
I say very nice job to all the involved parties.
Well said. Its a shame that the same old server problems mucked up another battle in such a catastrophic fashion, but gj to all involved anyhow. Coalition got their POS kill, BoB racked up a decent list for their KB, everyones happy.
Or atleast equally unhappy.
Still, the fact that the server crapped out is in no-one's hands but CCPs. When the Coalition swarmed LV, it came out in the Coalition's favour. This time, it came out quite well for BoB. Luck of the draw, I guess.
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Pj peng
TEAMSTERS
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:30:00 -
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Why was this 700 player limit placed on this occasion?
When goons took LVs system... it didn't happen
i think disallowing the coalitions support fleet in was stupid,
and don't help the whole band of developers situation either.. making it look like you only create these ideas when needed or enforce these rules. i personally think you should refund all the capital ships of the coalition as you didn't allow there support in, making the fight bias and basicully eliminating half of one team instantly.
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Helmut 314
Amarr
J.H.E.N.R
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:31:00 -
[995]
I think the really burning question that deserves an answer from CCP is : What will you do when the defenders put 700 pilots into one system ?
As many have pointed out this goes way beyond BoB or any alliance, a hard limit like this is very exploitable and if the act of placing a pilot in a ship in a system automatically denies others that opportunity something needs to be changed.
What started all of this is the bad implementation of POS and sovereignty that is so important for any alliance that wants to hold space. Instead of rebuffing NPC:s, boosting missions and adding weapon supercharging, how about fixing the number one annoyance : Sovereignty and the crappy POS that come with it.
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Khensu Blade
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:33:00 -
[996]
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Khensu Blade
Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Khensu Blade
What's a BoB pet? The only definition I can come up with from reading this thread is "Ally of BoB". ???
I'm guessing everyone has their own definition...
In this and other threads -- I've found the term "pet" used for someone who is living in another alliances sovereign space, sometimes paying rent, other times paying for the rent in common defence/etc activities.
An ally on the other hand lives in sovereign space of their own and works as part of a coalition of sovereign entities.
er another entity. Hence again the use of "pet" term by those who are market on the "official" map themselves.
I suppose "pet" term is less offensive anyway than what the terms for such entities were previously referred as (mining slave/b****)...
That's what I've picked up so far anyway... will continue to follow in awe .
I was basically trying to point out that the word has lost all meaning as it pertains to how people are trying to use it. There is no one qualifying factor that all of these so called "pets" fall under.(at least I doubt anyone can come up with said definition) The word is simply used now in an attempt to insult and belittle anyone who would dare be friends to BoB. I think people have a lot of misconceptions as to the relationships between BoB and some of their allys as well.
BoB internally refers/used to refer to entities like fallen souls, xelas... as pets.
The following is just an educated guess but i think at one point it was decided that to keep their pets happy it would be better to stop doing so. Alot of BoB members i know still call you pets outside of the public though. And almost all still consider you pets.
And there is no reason for BoB to treat entities that have proven to be unable to stand on their own feet as allies on a par, is there?
PS: Valorem is a nublar
So again, there is no definition... it is as I stated, used indiscriminately to categorize anyone who allys themselves with BoB. That's all I wanted to know.
I don't really understand your last paragraph. How is anyone allying with anyone any different?? We help them, they help us, it is the definition of ally.
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Yggdrassil
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:36:00 -
[997]
Originally by: Helmut 314
I think the really burning question that deserves an answer from CCP is : What will you do when the defenders put 700 pilots into one system ?
As many have pointed out this goes way beyond BoB or any alliance, a hard limit like this is very exploitable and if the act of placing a pilot in a ship in a system automatically denies others that opportunity something needs to be changed.
What started all of this is the bad implementation of POS and sovereignty that is so important for any alliance that wants to hold space. Instead of rebuffing NPC:s, boosting missions and adding weapon supercharging, how about fixing the number one annoyance : Sovereignty and the crappy POS that come with it.
The question is rather when the coalition will put 650 frigs and 50 dreads in a key bob system 1 min after downtime....
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:45:00 -
[998]
Originally by: Pj peng
Why was this 700 player limit placed on this occasion?
When goons took LVs system... it didn't happen
i think disallowing the coalitions support fleet in was stupid,
and don't help the whole band of developers situation either.. making it look like you only create these ideas when needed or enforce these rules. i personally think you should refund all the capital ships of the coalition as you didn't allow there support in, making the fight bias and basicully eliminating half of one team instantly.
As previously stated, JV1V never reached the cap, the only one who has said it did was liquid vision and he's as clueless as ever.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:47:00 -
[999]
Originally by: Pj peng
Why was this 700 player limit placed on this occasion?
When goons took LVs system... it didn't happen
i think disallowing the coalitions support fleet in was stupid,
and don't help the whole band of developers situation either.. making it look like you only create these ideas when needed or enforce these rules. i personally think you should refund all the capital ships of the coalition as you didn't allow there support in, making the fight bias and basicully eliminating half of one team instantly.
They should just put a cap of max 2 fleets in a 0.0 system that gets more than 400 ppl in it. After that, anyone not in those fleets, but in system, gets moved to their nearest station with their own corp office automatically, and the gates don't activate to anyone not in those fleets. GM control with a ban hammer to anyone exploiting the cap.
Fixes the problem, fixes the lag. Bans xploiters. Perfect solution.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:49:00 -
[1000]
Originally by: Yggdrassil
The question is rather when the coalition will put 650 frigs and 50 dreads in a key bob system 1 min after downtime....
Heh, that'll certainly be a test worth trying. If that 700 person limit is miraculously lifted, then we'll know something funny is going on
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darth solo
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:50:00 -
[1001]
ok, so all the good folks jump in the capital fleet, then the support is meant to follow, but it cant because the GMs have just made a 700 cap limit on the system without telling anyone?. leaving all you cap fleet outnumbered. lol u folks were seriously screwed over.
id be after ship replacements.
from now on all we will see happen is that the first to get 400 in system wins. because regardless of the oppositions numbers they will only be able to bring 300 to the fight due the cap, hillarious.
d solo.
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:56:00 -
[1002]
Originally by: darth solo
ok, so all the good folks jump in the capital fleet, then the support is meant to follow, but it cant because the GMs have just made a 700 cap limit on the system without telling anyone?. leaving all you cap fleet outnumbered. lol u folks were seriously screwed over.
id be after ship replacements.
from now on all we will see happen is that the first to get 400 in system wins. because regardless of the oppositions numbers they will only be able to bring 300 to the fight due the cap, hillarious.
d solo.
I wish people would read the dev blogs, there was no sudden cap, the hard cap has been in place since it was announced 9 months ago in the dev blog. End of.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:58:00 -
[1003]
Edited by: Boliknar on 30/03/2007 15:55:14
Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Pj peng
Why was this 700 player limit placed on this occasion?
When goons took LVs system... it didn't happen
i think disallowing the coalitions support fleet in was stupid,
and don't help the whole band of developers situation either.. making it look like you only create these ideas when needed or enforce these rules. i personally think you should refund all the capital ships of the coalition as you didn't allow there support in, making the fight bias and basicully eliminating half of one team instantly.
They should just put a cap of max 2 fleets in a 0.0 system that gets more than 400 ppl in it. After that, anyone not in those fleets, but in system, gets moved to their nearest station with their own corp office automatically, and the gates don't activate to anyone not in those fleets. GM control with a ban hammer to anyone exploiting the cap.
Fixes the problem, fixes the lag. Bans xploiters. Perfect solution.
I hate the whole newer gang system so didnt take the time to learn it... what is the maximun size a fleet can grow to and still pass down bounses. And as for banning people who "exploit" the cap. This would call for GMs making asumptions about a certain sides motives which would call for them to be totally subjective. Dont really know if we can count on that to be honest.
I mean how can a GM say with certainity that side "a" didnt really intend to take that system with 50 dreads and 650 shuttles. I know this is extreme but you get the idea.
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Bailian Moxtain
Toys R Us
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Posted - 2007.03.30 15:59:00 -
[1004]
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:00:00 -
[1005]
Originally by: PirateShampoo
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 15:56:16
Originally by: darth solo
ok, so all the good folks jump in the capital fleet, then the support is meant to follow, but it cant because the GMs have just made a 700 cap limit on the system without telling anyone?. leaving all you cap fleet outnumbered. lol u folks were seriously screwed over.
id be after ship replacements.
from now on all we will see happen is that the first to get 400 in system wins. because regardless of the oppositions numbers they will only be able to bring 300 to the fight due the cap, hillarious.
d solo.
I wish people would read the dev blogs, there was no sudden cap, the hard cap has been in place since it was announced 9 months ago in the dev blog. End of.
Just in case anyone else missed it (and it seems like everyone did)
Dev Blog - 700 Hard Cap
Been to jita lately?
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:04:00 -
[1006]
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: PirateShampoo
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 15:56:16
Originally by: darth solo
ok, so all the good folks jump in the capital fleet, then the support is meant to follow, but it cant because the GMs have just made a 700 cap limit on the system without telling anyone?. leaving all you cap fleet outnumbered. lol u folks were seriously screwed over.
id be after ship replacements.
from now on all we will see happen is that the first to get 400 in system wins. because regardless of the oppositions numbers they will only be able to bring 300 to the fight due the cap, hillarious.
d solo.
I wish people would read the dev blogs, there was no sudden cap, the hard cap has been in place since it was announced 9 months ago in the dev blog. End of.
Just in case anyone else missed it (and it seems like everyone did)
Dev Blog - 700 Hard Cap
Been to jita lately?
Well maybe it was removed from Jita as there is no tatical advantage from blobbing Jita, this really is one for the developers now, I am dropping the subject and I am hoping (probably in vain) that everyone else will too.
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Shinigami
Gallente
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:06:00 -
[1007]
Originally by: End Yourself
BoB internally refers/used to refer to entities like fallen souls, xelas... as pets.
The following is just an educated guess but i think at one point it was decided that to keep their pets happy it would be better to stop doing so. Alot of BoB members i know still call you pets outside of the public though. And almost all still consider you pets.
And there is no reason for BoB to treat entities that have proven to be unable to stand on their own feet as allies on a par, is there?
PS: Valorem is a nublar
That makes me wonder what the coalition's Russian overlords call them in private.
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Exortius Amarrus
The Clearwater Society
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:08:00 -
[1008]
Do you really think that the coalition were the only ones trying to bridge, jump, cyno, or otherwise move more forces into the target system?
Had there been no system cap, the node would have crashe, and we'd all be *****ing about that.
I'd gladly pay twice as much a month to have such grand battles be playable.
GF
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Teinyhr
Minmatar
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:09:00 -
[1009]
You're all goddamn ridiculous. IMHO.
If you want your ridiculously sized fleetbattles - go buy another ******* supercomputer for CCP to use and pay for its upkeep. Or go rewrite the code.
Do something concrete, don't just whine and ***** "waa waa CCP is mean". Yeah, you're paying customers. Customer is always right. But not when it's a snottynosed kid whining why can't I have more when all have to get an equal share.
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Besides, specialization is for insects.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:23:00 -
[1010]
Originally by: Teinyhr
You're all goddamn ridiculous. IMHO.
If you want your ridiculously sized fleetbattles - go buy another ******* supercomputer for CCP to use and pay for its upkeep. Or go rewrite the code.
Do something concrete, don't just whine and ***** "waa waa CCP is mean". Yeah, you're paying customers. Customer is always right. But not when it's a snottynosed kid whining why can't I have more when all have to get an equal share.
I would expect of them to make a study, maybe even make a model, a demo, test it, evaluate the solution in terms of cost and then propose it to us. If it's feaseble and the masses want it, why not? Implement it and increase the monthly fee.
If not, just say it will never gonna happen, but don't impose the system cap of N (700) all of the sudden, because we all know it didn't happen when LV lost it.
Who's whining? I'm ready to pay for it. It's something concrete that I'm doing, it's called "appel d'offre" (French).
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End Yourself
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:44:00 -
[1011]
Edited by: End Yourself on 30/03/2007 16:40:51
Originally by: Khensu Blade
So again, there is no definition... it is as I stated, used indiscriminately to categorize anyone who allys themselves with BoB. That's all I wanted to know.
Nope i have never heard any BoB member call their real allies pets. For example LV. As different people use the term there won't be the one definition. One indication of not beeing an ally on par of BoB can easily be spotted by having a look on Josh's map.
Originally by: Khensu Blade
I don't really understand your last paragraph. How is anyone allying with anyone any different?? We help them, they help us, it is the definition of ally.
I will just give one example. When the last entity tried to take over the small flick of space we inhabit they "kindly offered" beeing "allies". Among a few other ridiculous demands was us following their standings. Never going to happen.
Ask yourself:
Are Fallen Souls autonomous or do you have to follow BoB standings?
Does that make you an ally on par with bob?
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:47:00 -
[1012]
Originally by: Boliknar
I hate the whole newer gang system so didnt take the time to learn it... what is the maximun size a fleet can grow to and still pass down bounses.
2 ppl in squad per lvl squad command, 1 squad in a wing per wing commander lvl, 1 wing per fleet command level, up to a maximum of 250 per fleet.
Ok, just 24h shore leave passes then, but something to keep xploiters in line.
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Ulric Denrai
Amarr
Ascent of Ages
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:48:00 -
[1013]
This well help CCP link:Linkage
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Khensu Blade
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:49:00 -
[1014]
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Khensu Blade
So again, there is no definition... it is as I stated, used indiscriminately to categorize anyone who allys themselves with BoB. That's all I wanted to know.
Nope i have never heard any BoB member call their real allies pets. For example LV. As different people use the term there won't be the one definition. One indication of not beeing an ally on par of BoB can easily be spotted by having a look on Josh's map.
Originally by: Khensu Blade
I don't really understand your last paragraph. How is anyone allying with anyone any different?? We help them, they help us, it is the definition of ally.
I will just give one example. When the last entity tried to take over the small flick of space we inhabit they "kindly offered" beeing "allies". Among a few other ridiculous demands was us following their standings. Never going to happen.
Ask yourself:
Are Fallen Souls autonomous or do you have to follow BoB standings?
Does that make you an ally on par with bob?
I'm not really concerned with what BoB calls their allys. I was only referring to how the term is used on these forums by "everyone else". I don't doubt that the term came from BoB themselves, and whether the term is still used by them today, I couldn't care less. Pet\Ally are completely interchangeable terms as far as I have seen on these forums.
As to your last example\question, I guess I can not comment specifically on the workings between our CEO, Mitch Taylor, and the BoB leadership. Is it not common practice to share standings between allys that occupy large swaths of space? That just seems like good organization to me.
I don't know what Josh's map is.
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Cassius Hawkeye
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:49:00 -
[1015]
So let me get this straight...
Not satisfied with their "moral" and also "tactical" victory, (and well done for taking out that POS - from an enemy), the coalition (or a select few representing the coalition) are now crying over a game mechanic which prevented them from completly and utterly 3000 man + blobbing a system (which would have almost certainly guaranteed multiple node crashes). Of course the game mechanics are there to prevent a node crashing right? We dont want nodes to crash right? No i didn't think so...
So - i ask the coalition "representatives" to please... pat yourselves on the back for a great victory. You sure did well - you expected to take losses and you did. Sounds like you accepted this was going to happen, so accept it.
But is this great victory enough? Or do you now feel the need to continue down the ridiculous notion that your opponents somehow fix the game against you.
You should all be absolutly over the moon with a stunning victory. Instead some of you (not all) are crying like the losing side. Will you ever be satisfied? Or is there something bothering you, despite this victory?
I really do not enjoy all this lag. For me the fun in this game is the nice 40/50/60 vs 40/50/60 battles FATAL and others in Fountain continue to have with D2 and others, especially over the past weeks. Sometimes we lose, sometimes we win, but after every fight everyone says GF, shows respect to each other, and goes home having enjoyed the game. Now that is EVE. Not all this BS right here.
None of this is meant to be smacking, or flaming. To be honest a battle report would have been nice and not all the wild chest beating, and hysterical crys of hax from both sides.
Just my opinion - no more from me
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:55:00 -
[1016]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
I would expect of them to make a study, maybe even make a model, a demo, test it, evaluate the solution in terms of cost and then propose it to us. If it's feaseble and the masses want it, why not? Implement it and increase the monthly fee.
If not, just say it will never gonna happen, but don't impose the system cap of N (700) all of the sudden, because we all know it didn't happen when LV lost it.
Who's whining? I'm ready to pay for it. It's something concrete that I'm doing, it's called "appel d'offre" (French).
Mr. I-know-it-all,
the system cap was to read in a dev blog 9 friggin months ago and isn't an invention of yesterday.
Probably you should read them sometimes.
Regards
c0rn1
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Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:57:00 -
[1017]
Originally by: Teinyhr
You're all goddamn ridiculous. IMHO.
If you want your ridiculously sized fleetbattles - go buy another ******* supercomputer for CCP to use and pay for its upkeep. Or go rewrite the code.
Do something concrete, don't just whine and ***** "waa waa CCP is mean". Yeah, you're paying customers. Customer is always right. But not when it's a snottynosed kid whining why can't I have more when all have to get an equal share.
Thats possibly the most retarded post in this thread. CCP have stated that as a company there is currently no hardware available to upgrade the servers with. It was stated in a dev blog that any suibtable parts are used for upgrades almost as soon as they are released on the market, they cant buy anymore "supercomputers".
I'll not mention the re-writing the code comment, it speaks for itself.
But think about it, you tell everyone to stop whining. Well, what if no-one whined? Would CCP know what the people thought? If only 25 people posted in this thread complaining about the lag and population cap, nothing would be done about it, it would be dismissed as a few players rambling on.
While whining on the forums may not be the most... traditional way of getting your point accross, it does seem to work.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:58:00 -
[1018]
Originally by: Cassius Hawkeye
But is this great victory enough? Or do you now feel the need to continue down the ridiculous notion that your opponents somehow fix the game against you.
I wish I could let this go, but personally I can't when I see the news. That's realy a shame this is alowed.
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Trind2222
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:06:00 -
[1019]
Edited by: Trind2222 on 30/03/2007 17:11:53
Quote:
Ask yourself:
Are Fallen Souls autonomous or do you have to follow BoB standings?
Does that make you an ally on par with bob?
We have good standing is our chose to helping
bob like other alliance and we don't
like goons or raizor so 1 more reasion helping bob and to get some good pvp.
And after jv1 i hate gons more i was there i
wanted good fight but goons did not they did evry thin
to take out the pos no mather the price so they crased the node.
This why i think is good that the cpp
did made only 700 cap in the system.
I have a perosnal feeling that some alliance
whoud crach the node and kill the pos instead of
fighting a good fight and lose some ship. I have read all post
and d2 has been most profesonal in replyes
(some others has good relyes) in this post
and was loking for a good fight and there probley other alliances
in colaison was looking for good fight to so i respekt to those who did.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:07:00 -
[1020]
Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
I would expect of them to make a study, maybe even make a model, a demo, test it, evaluate the solution in terms of cost and then propose it to us. If it's feaseble and the masses want it, why not? Implement it and increase the monthly fee.
If not, just say it will never gonna happen, but don't impose the system cap of N (700) all of the sudden, because we all know it didn't happen when LV lost it.
Who's whining? I'm ready to pay for it. It's something concrete that I'm doing, it's called "appel d'offre" (French).
Mr. I-know-it-all,
the system cap was to read in a dev blog 9 friggin months ago and isn't an invention of yesterday.
Probably you should read them sometimes.
Regards
c0rn1
Mr. I've-Read-It-All-9-Months-Ago... why did the LV cap building system crashed when there were 1000 peeps reported in it or trying to enter? I've read the blog dude, but you fail to understand my statement. The cap is the counter-node crasher, but it still did. So CCP "learned" the lesson and actually used it all of the sudden, nice going.
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End Yourself
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:08:00 -
[1021]
Originally by: Khensu Blade
Pet\Ally are completely interchangeable terms as far as I have seen on these forums.
Pet and ally are as interchangeable as my dog and my girlfriend!
And you don't share standings with BoB. BoB dictates your standings. You are simply no allies at eye level.
If you are ok with beeing subordinate to BoB because living in their space without the fear having to face someone waging a territorial war on you then suits you that is fine with me. Your choice. If you fail to see that you are everything bar allies on eye level with BoB then i am sorry for you.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:08:00 -
[1022]
Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 30/03/2007 17:06:05
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
I wish I could let this go, but personally I can't when I see the news. That's realy a shame this is alowed.
Am I missing something here?
They didn't declare victory for the coalition, true, but, uh, as a third party, the depiction you're complaining about is pretty much presenting the situation the way it looks to me. If the POS contained a titan, the whole operation was probably worth it; if it didn't, the operation was a bit of a disaster, and not just for CCP's poor computers.
Is this incorrect in some way? Slanted? Prejudiced? It doesn't look it to me, and I'm rooting for the Coalition.
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:13:00 -
[1023]
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 30/03/2007 17:06:05
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
I wish I could let this go, but personally I can't when I see the news. That's realy a shame this is alowed.
Am I missing something here?
They didn't declare victory for the coalition, true, but, uh, as a third party, the depiction you're complaining about is pretty much presenting the situation the way it looks to me. If the POS contained a titan, the whole operation was probably worth it; if it didn't, the operation was a bit of a disaster, and not just for CCP's poor computers.
Is this incorrect in some way? Slanted? Prejudiced? It doesn't look it to me, and I'm rooting for the Coalition.
It was un-biased imo. Very well writen. It gives you an idea of what happened, and the outcomes(well possible outcomes). But BoB is in a position here, if there was a titan building they can deny it or say there was. If there wasnt a titan building they can say yes we lost a titan. Im looking forward to this weekends events.
LETS SEE YOU NERF THIS ONE Kreul!!!...
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:21:00 -
[1024]
Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
I would expect of them to make a study, maybe even make a model, a demo, test it, evaluate the solution in terms of cost and then propose it to us. If it's feaseble and the masses want it, why not? Implement it and increase the monthly fee.
If not, just say it will never gonna happen, but don't impose the system cap of N (700) all of the sudden, because we all know it didn't happen when LV lost it.
Who's whining? I'm ready to pay for it. It's something concrete that I'm doing, it's called "appel d'offre" (French).
Mr. I-know-it-all,
the system cap was to read in a dev blog 9 friggin months ago and isn't an invention of yesterday.
Probably you should read them sometimes.
Regards
c0rn1
I don¦t mean to offend but have you been in JITA?Basically that system peaks at 1000 users at a time ,so if there is a cap is for some nodes not all.
I cry because if CCP doest try to get new game mechanics to shift this kind off battles,people will only escalate the blobs even further.
Even IF CCP can solve and we could have 500vs500 figths i know some (i know i would)would try to bring 1000VS500 to out blob the other 500.The whole POS warfare isn't working very well for the poor servers.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:36:00 -
[1025]
Let's just imagine there was no 700 players cap. What could have happen in this case? Local jumps to 1000, 1200, node enters crush loop. POS survives, dread fleet survives. Nothing achieved. Time wasted.
Is it what you wanted to see?
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Inflexible
Shokei
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:41:00 -
[1026]
Originally by: Pesadel0
I don¦t mean to offend but have you been in JITA?Basically that system peaks at 1000 users at a time ,so if there is a cap is for some nodes not all.
There is no more than 700 pilots in space any given time... 1000 in local, 50% docked.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:42:00 -
[1027]
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 30/03/2007 14:28:13
In answer to the tinfoilhattery going on w/ regards to BoB taking advantage of the 700 limit: get real. If that was the case, we would have had 700 people in there hours before the POS came out of reinforced, and we wouldn't have jumped a 150-man fleet into J-L 20 minutes prior. Said fleet tried to come back into F-T to pop the cynos, but we all know how that ended.
EDIT: Sorry boss, I know I'm not supposed to post here, but call it compensation for the 4 hours of jump queues and lag while you were looking after the old lady
post with your main.
This IS my main.
then why do you refer to bob as "we" in your posts?
i still say post with your main or dont post at all.
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:44:00 -
[1028]
Edited by: Kerfira on 30/03/2007 17:41:14
Oops, delete. Thought this was in General...
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:46:00 -
[1029]
Originally by: Indiano Arko
Let's just imagine there was no 700 players cap. What could have happen in this case? Local jumps to 1000, 1200, node enters crush loop. POS survives, dread fleet survives. Nothing achieved. Time wasted.
Is it what you wanted to see?
No...what they wanted to see was local jump to a few thousand when they jump a swarm of goonies in frigates and cruisers, thus negating bob's dread fleet when the node crashes and their real forces show up, since jump-ins get priority over logins. That's what they want.
Cause you know, it should be so that a swarm of crap ships should be able to beat a fleet of capital ships by disconnecting them from the server for the battle.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:52:00 -
[1030]
Originally by: Inflexible
Originally by: Pesadel0
I don¦t mean to offend but have you been in JITA?Basically that system peaks at 1000 users at a time ,so if there is a cap is for some nodes not all.
There is no more than 700 pilots in space any given time... 1000 in local, 50% docked.
True. Also (just a thought) the most strain on node happens when all the ships are located on a same grid.
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Ione Hunt
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:54:00 -
[1031]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 30/03/2007 14:28:13
In answer to the tinfoilhattery going on w/ regards to BoB taking advantage of the 700 limit: get real. If that was the case, we would have had 700 people in there hours before the POS came out of reinforced, and we wouldn't have jumped a 150-man fleet into J-L 20 minutes prior. Said fleet tried to come back into F-T to pop the cynos, but we all know how that ended.
EDIT: Sorry boss, I know I'm not supposed to post here, but call it compensation for the 4 hours of jump queues and lag while you were looking after the old lady
post with your main.
This IS my main.
then why do you refer to bob as "we" in your posts?
i still say post with your main or dont post at all.
Hunting forum alts ftw!
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:55:00 -
[1032]
Originally by: Inflexible
Originally by: Pesadel0
I don¦t mean to offend but have you been in JITA?Basically that system peaks at 1000 users at a time ,so if there is a cap is for some nodes not all.
There is no more than 700 pilots in space any given time... 1000 in local, 50% docked.
Well but Oveur wrote:
"The second parameter used is more than 700 people in a single solar system.."
Basically he is talking in solar systems not who is docked and what not,so my point still stands there is no limit to 700 people in the same solar system.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.03.30 17:59:00 -
[1033]
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Inflexible
Originally by: Pesadel0
I don¦t mean to offend but have you been in JITA?Basically that system peaks at 1000 users at a time ,so if there is a cap is for some nodes not all.
There is no more than 700 pilots in space any given time... 1000 in local, 50% docked.
Well but Oveur wrote:
"The second parameter used is more than 700 people in a single solar system.."
Basically he is talking in solar systems not who is docked and what not,so my point still stands there is no limit to 700 people in the same solar system.
Jita is just unique... I believe it is running on a most powerful hardware.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:02:00 -
[1034]
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Khensu Blade
Pet\Ally are completely interchangeable terms as far as I have seen on these forums.
Pet and ally are as interchangeable as my dog and my girlfriend!
And you don't share standings with BoB. BoB dictates your standings. You are simply no allies at eye level.
If you are ok with beeing subordinate to BoB because living in their space without the fear having to face someone waging a territorial war on you then suits you that is fine with me. Your choice. If you fail to see that you are everything bar allies on eye level with BoB then i am sorry for you.
There is a big gap between "Ally" and "pet" or "slave". In ww2 U.K didnt agree with U.S.A + U.S.S.R about most things, but had to follow the lead of their more powerful allies. Did this makes them "slaves" or "pets"? And if it did what about all the other "allies" who had little or no say in things. T.b.h i dont think you understand diplomacy. Aligning yourself with a more powerful entity is merely part and parcel of being a smaller entity. A term like "junior partners" would be more realistic, but as its not derogatory i dont see any phrase like it being used.
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Otangka
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:03:00 -
[1035]
Originally by: Khensu Blade
What's a BoB pet? The only definition I can come up with from reading this thread is "Ally of BoB". ???
I'm guessing everyone has their own definition...
You are a BoB pet, now get back to mining you bea**ch, allmost 1st of the month, and the Band Of Bullies wants your cash! (they really need it you see)
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TomPeK
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:06:00 -
[1036]
Edited by: TomPeK on 30/03/2007 18:02:37
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Turin Shroud
Gallente
Fermentation Process
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:07:00 -
[1037]
gg coalition
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Khensu Blade
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:13:00 -
[1038]
Originally by: End Yourself
Pet and ally are as interchangeable as my dog and my girlfriend!
Whatever floats your boat, eh? This may be your opinion on the term pet, but again, I think that everyone has their own little definition in their head as to what "Pet" means. I've talked to MANY people who assume we pay BoB to live near them... which is completely ridiculous.
Originally by: End Yourself
And you don't share standings with BoB. BoB dictates your standings. You are simply no allies at eye level.
If you are ok with beeing Allys to BoB because living in their space without the fear having to face someone waging a territorial war on you then suits you that is fine with me. Your choice. If you fail to see that you are everything bar allies on eye level with BoB then i am sorry for you.
So to be an Ally you need to be able to match experience\numbers\resources with the entity you are allying yourself with? Well I doubt very many alliances\corps could actually be BoB's ally in that respect.
I am very much ok with your last paragraph as edited. Again, all these labels are very interchangeable depending on your point of view.
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Khensu Blade
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:20:00 -
[1039]
Originally by: Otangka
Originally by: Khensu Blade
What's a BoB pet? The only definition I can come up with from reading this thread is "Ally of BoB". ???
I'm guessing everyone has their own definition...
You are a BoB pet, now get back to mining you bea**ch, allmost 1st of the month, and the Band Of Bullies wants your cash! (they really need it you see)
You're confusing BoB with Goons. But thanks for proving my point.
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:21:00 -
[1040]
Originally by: Heptameron
This is the most complete and utter pile of BS I have ever seen in this game. I'm not suggesting this was done deliberately for the defenders but capping the system is no less than complete and utter stupidity by CCP GM's.
Seriously.... it's mind numbing to even try and come up with a logical reason how this could be implemented(bearing in mind they HAVE to be seen to be even handed in the way they deal with player issues).
The system we were in (4/5 jumps from f-t) had 190 in local, another fleet sat behind us with another 120+, all of these to support the cap ship fleet.
I would like to apologise to all those that lost dreads through lack of support, and salute you for getting on and doing the job anyway, y'all deserve our respect and admiration.
If 300 more ships were allowed in the system, then no one would have been able to do anything at all, the pos would have lived on, and you'd be whining even harder about it.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:25:00 -
[1041]
Originally by: PirateShampoo
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 15:57:23
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 15:56:16
Originally by: darth solo
ok, so all the good folks jump in the capital fleet, then the support is meant to follow, but it cant because the GMs have just made a 700 cap limit on the system without telling anyone?. leaving all you cap fleet outnumbered. lol u folks were seriously screwed over.
id be after ship replacements.
from now on all we will see happen is that the first to get 400 in system wins. because regardless of the oppositions numbers they will only be able to bring 300 to the fight due the cap, hillarious.
d solo.
I wish people would read the dev blogs, there was no sudden cap, the hard cap has been in place since it was announced 9 months ago in the dev blog. End of.
[Edit: I can't read also, it's 7 months ago]
Just in case anyone else missed it (and it seems like everyone did)
Dev Blog - 700 Hard Cap
Incorrect. Yes there was a cap installed some 7 months ago. But after many complaints, that cap was removed again, as evidenced by JV1V. Now, all of a sudden, the cap is being brought back to help BoB again. And people wonder why CCP is getting such a bad rep for favoring one alliance
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In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:26:00 -
[1042]
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Originally by: Heptameron
This is the most complete and utter pile of BS I have ever seen in this game. I'm not suggesting this was done deliberately for the defenders but capping the system is no less than complete and utter stupidity by CCP GM's.
Seriously.... it's mind numbing to even try and come up with a logical reason how this could be implemented(bearing in mind they HAVE to be seen to be even handed in the way they deal with player issues).
The system we were in (4/5 jumps from f-t) had 190 in local, another fleet sat behind us with another 120+, all of these to support the cap ship fleet.
I would like to apologise to all those that lost dreads through lack of support, and salute you for getting on and doing the job anyway, y'all deserve our respect and admiration.
If 300 more ships were allowed in the system, then no one would have been able to do anything at all, the pos would have lived on, and you'd be whining even harder about it.
Incorrect as far as I can tell. The reinforcements were not to be sent in until AFTER the POS died, by use of titan jump portals. So whatever would have happened, the POS was already dead by that time.
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In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:37:00 -
[1043]
Originally by: DeathGrip
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Sweet. I can't wait for my titan. I only need 700 t1 frigates to defend the capital shipyards. This should be fun.
did I mention I was recruiting?
Honestly think of the damage 700 Rocket Kestrels could do
0?
Honestly, it wouldn't be hard to wipe out 700 rocket kestrels with an officer smartbomb-fitted Dread.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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PirateShampoo
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:38:00 -
[1044]
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 18:36:15
Quote:
Incorrect. Yes there was a cap installed some 7 months ago. But after many complaints, that cap was removed again, as evidenced by JV1V. Now, all of a sudden, the cap is being brought back to help BoB again. And people wonder why CCP is getting such a bad rep for favoring one alliance
Well I have no such word on the removal of the caps, no one else has mentioned they where implemented then remove as far as I know they are still in force. Of course if you have link to a dev blog or dev forum or patch note then I will apologise. Otherwise the cap is still in place.
And as I have said throughout this thread. JV1V never had 700 pilots in space at the same time and would never have reached such as cap. I was there and others from LV, Exe and Rise can confirm this
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:38:00 -
[1045]
Originally by: Kriz Lupin
BoB lost a titan. CCP will replace it.
IM tired of this crap
Can I have your stuff?
Except the tinfoil, you can keep that.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:45:00 -
[1046]
Originally by: Koronos
Edited by: Koronos on 30/03/2007 03:08:09
Originally by: jamesw
I think their only perogative doing that was to keep the node online. After seeing what happened in JV1V and with the nodecrash issues there, limiting the numbers was about the only option they had to prevent a reoccurance.
Either way, the POS was taken down, and the attackers took the heavy losses they expected to take. Would any of this have changed if the Coalition were to jump 500 more people into system?
What? Of course it would have. _if_ the node held, it would have allowed their support to engage the bob dreads and bs and not just leave all those bubbled cap ships to die. But of course I think your first point is probably valid, painful as it is, they had to do something to help the node stay alive after all the negative reaction to jv1v. The 700 number feels arbitrary to me, but honestly as much as Asa's idea sounds nice, theres no way it would have been practical.
Koronos
edit: and yeah, celticwarrior makes the perfect point there.
Lets not forget the coalition isn't the only side that had a few hundred support ships trying to get into the fight. They might've kept those dreads alive, but they might have gotten completely obliterated in an instant by dual DDD blasts, followed up by several hundred bob allied support ships warping on top of them and laying waste to the survivors.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:47:00 -
[1047]
Originally by: Raivi
Edited by: Raivi on 30/03/2007 03:26:24
Originally by: Troubadour
Check MC's, ours, FIX's, aftermath's, Xelas', FATAL's, etc. I know we all have kills that are not on the BOB killboard.
I just checked all of those killboards, MC has 2 dread that aren't on the BoB one, the rest are all repeats.
So unless there are some killmails that haven't been posted on the BoB, MC, FIX, Slacker Industries, Aftermath, Xelas, or FATAL killboards (a definite possibility, and if anyone knows of any I'd appreciate a link), 26 Coalition dreads and 2 Coalition Carriers were killed during the siege. There was also a RAT dread that died a few hours earlier, I'm not sure the story behind that.
28 capital ships killed in one battle. That shatters the previous record. Congrats BoB and friends on the single biggest Dread slaughter in EvE history. However it looks like the figures of 40-55 that some people have been throwing around are hyperbole.
Seleene listed the names of wrecks he saw at the POS at one point, and it was over 40 dreads and 4-5 carriers.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Atreus Minmatarius
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:51:00 -
[1048]
Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 30/03/2007 18:52:24
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
They might've kept those dreads alive, but they might have gotten completely obliterated in an instant by dual DDD blasts, followed up by several hundred bob allied support ships warping on top of them and laying waste to the survivors.
you are aware that coalition also has 2 Titans right?
at this point I trust Sellene as much as I trust Molle, but that might be just me...
what i say is my own opinion and does not
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:52:00 -
[1049]
Originally by: Khensu Blade
Originally by: End Yourself
Pet and ally are as interchangeable as my dog and my girlfriend!
Whatever floats your boat, eh? This may be your opinion on the term pet, but again, I think that everyone has their own little definition in their head as to what "Pet" means. I've talked to MANY people who assume we pay BoB to live near them... which is completely ridiculous.
Originally by: End Yourself
And you don't share standings with BoB. BoB dictates your standings. You are simply no allies at eye level.
If you are ok with beeing Allys to BoB because living in their space without the fear having to face someone waging a territorial war on you then suits you that is fine with me. Your choice. If you fail to see that you are everything bar allies on eye level with BoB then i am sorry for you.
So to be an Ally you need to be able to match experience\numbers\resources with the entity you are allying yourself with? Well I doubt very many alliances\corps could actually be BoB's ally in that respect.
I am very much ok with your last paragraph as edited. Again, all these labels are very interchangeable depending on your point of view.
BoB calls you pets why shouldn't we?
I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP. |
Karma Kahn
Amarr
OLE Mining Corp
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.30 18:55:00 -
[1050]
Originally by: PirateShampoo
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 30/03/2007 18:36:15
Quote:
Incorrect. Yes there was a cap installed some 7 months ago. But after many complaints, that cap was removed again, as evidenced by JV1V. Now, all of a sudden, the cap is being brought back to help BoB again. And people wonder why CCP is getting such a bad rep for favoring one alliance
Well I have no such word on the removal of the caps, no one else has mentioned they where implemented then remove as far as I know they are still in force. Of course if you have link to a dev blog or dev forum or patch note then I will apologise. Otherwise the cap is still in place.
And as I have said throughout this thread. JV1V never had 700 pilots in space at the same time and would never have reached such as cap. I was there and others from LV, Exe and Rise can confirm this
I can also verify this the node died b4 it hit 700 we were 180k of the gate into system when it died and that was the end of any sutainable defence in jv1v. 8 node crashes later by the time any defenders got back in the pos and cap array were dead.
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:01:00 -
[1051]
HERE IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
LOCK THIS THREAD
MOVE ON.
the coalition killed the pos
the defenders killed alot of capitals
there has not been a single, NOT ONE, legitimate peice of discussion happening in this thread for SIX pages now.
there was a 700 cap, it capped out, discuss the logisitcs like sensible people elsewhere.
JUST LOCK IT
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:13:00 -
[1052]
Originally by: Vily
HERE IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
LOCK THIS THREAD
MOVE ON.
the coalition killed the pos
the defenders killed alot of capitals
there has not been a single, NOT ONE, legitimate peice of discussion happening in this thread for SIX pages now.
there was a 700 cap, it capped out, discuss the logisitcs like sensible people elsewhere.
JUST LOCK IT
They started it!
Also I will have to agree, we need to all rest our forum whoring muscles for when Sirmolle makes his post.
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:15:00 -
[1053]
Originally by: Vily
HERE IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
LOCK THIS THREAD
MOVE ON.
the coalition killed the pos
the defenders killed alot of capitals
there has not been a single, NOT ONE, legitimate peice of discussion happening in this thread for SIX pages now.
there was a 700 cap, it capped out, discuss the logisitcs like sensible people elsewhere.
JUST LOCK IT
This is what CAOD has turned into im affriad but aggred this thread needs *snipped*
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My sig got nerf'd again :*( this time by Valorem.
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:20:00 -
[1054]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Incorrect. Yes there was a cap installed some 7 months ago. But after many complaints, that cap was removed again, as evidenced by JV1V. Now, all of a sudden, the cap is being brought back to help BoB again. And people wonder why CCP is getting such a bad rep for favoring one alliance
Incorrect:
There were never more than 700 ppl in Jv1v.
1 thousand people logging in doesn't actually mean 700 people logged in. Show me please 1 screenshot with a local count above 700 in Jv1v.
Regards
c0rn1
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Life's a waste of time ... |
Inmate 19225004
Absoluten Calfeutrail
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:21:00 -
[1055]
Originally by: Vily
HERE IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
LOCK THIS THREAD
MOVE ON.
the coalition killed the pos
the defenders killed alot of capitals
there has not been a single, NOT ONE, legitimate peice of discussion happening in this thread for SIX pages now.
there was a 700 cap, it capped out, discuss the logisitcs like sensible people elsewhere.
JUST LOCK IT
because you rule the forums eh.
Quote:
I am here to confirm, yes, it's true. I ate at Bob Evans tonight, I had country fried steak and it was delicious. I podded the cake, and no mails were truncated.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:23:00 -
[1056]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Lets not forget the coalition isn't the only side that had a few hundred support ships trying to get into the fight. They might've kept those dreads alive, but they might have gotten completely obliterated in an instant by dual DDD blasts, followed up by several hundred bob allied support ships warping on top of them and laying waste to the survivors.
Right, but that would have gotten the dreads out. Fly the support onto the enemy, try to kill their dictors and pop bubbles, if they are DD'ed the dictors, dictor bubbles, and warp bubbles all pop too and the dreads get out, its a mighty mass suicide but its all good. If they are not DD'ed, they can tackle the Bob-side dreads and there can be a mighty cap ship battle and its all good.
Anyway, I understand that what would have actually happened is almost certainly node death, so as I said way earlier, maybe this was the best choice they thought they could make, given all the flack about jv1v. Its just that IF it was a GM decision at the time, as opposed to an already implemented feature, it cost the coalition a bunch of cap ships. But, now we know (or maybe we do), and it just brings up all the issues about how to take advantage of the cap, which takes me back to my original concern that the direction the design of the game has gone makes this situation inevitable, and the game can't handle it, = bad.
But anyway, I just lost a couple of frigs, and the guys that lost dreads have pretty much said, gf, mission accomplished, so I'm not trying to cry about what happened, just participate in a conversation about what happened so that we can all (including ccp) make the best decisions for next time.
Koronos
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DeltaH
NOBODY Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:29:00 -
[1057]
Originally by: Koronos
Right, but that would have gotten the dreads out. Fly the support onto the enemy, try to kill their dictors and pop bubbles, if they are DD'ed the dictors, dictor bubbles, and warp bubbles all pop too and the dreads get out, its a mighty mass suicide but its all good. If they are not DD'ed, they can tackle the Bob-side dreads and there can be a mighty cap ship battle and its all good.
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:51:00 -
[1058]
can you all wait for offical word from molle or someone from BoB(bound to be posted soon) instead of mouthing off to each other about how much isk was lost plz
Originally by: SPQRMocton
We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 19:54:00 -
[1059]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Koronos
Edited by: Koronos on 30/03/2007 03:08:09
Originally by: jamesw
I think their only perogative doing that was to keep the node online. After seeing what happened in JV1V and with the nodecrash issues there, limiting the numbers was about the only option they had to prevent a reoccurance.
Either way, the POS was taken down, and the attackers took the heavy losses they expected to take. Would any of this have changed if the Coalition were to jump 500 more people into system?
What? Of course it would have. _if_ the node held, it would have allowed their support to engage the bob dreads and bs and not just leave all those bubbled cap ships to die. But of course I think your first point is probably valid, painful as it is, they had to do something to help the node stay alive after all the negative reaction to jv1v. The 700 number feels arbitrary to me, but honestly as much as Asa's idea sounds nice, theres no way it would have been practical.
Koronos
edit: and yeah, celticwarrior makes the perfect point there.
Lets not forget the coalition isn't the only side that had a few hundred support ships trying to get into the fight. They might've kept those dreads alive, but they might have gotten completely obliterated in an instant by dual DDD blasts, followed up by several hundred bob allied support ships warping on top of them and laying waste to the survivors.
Oh yeah and D2 and -A- dont have titans that they were trying to bring in... I forgot
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Fabrezio
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Posted - 2007.03.30 20:05:00 -
[1060]
We took out a baby titan YEAH! BoB can't build anything of consequence without it being leveled!
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.03.30 20:11:00 -
[1061]
Originally by: Xendie
then why do you refer to bob as "we" in your posts?
"we" as in "we, the dudes on BoB's side" (i.e. BoB, Xelas, FIX, MC, etc etc etc).
Originally by: Xendie
i still say post with your main or dont post at all.
I agree with that view, and that is exactly what I'm doing. If you don't believe that, well... *shrugs*
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.03.30 20:17:00 -
[1062]
Originally by: Vily
HERE IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
LOCK THIS THREAD
MOVE ON.
the coalition killed the pos
the defenders killed alot of capitals
there has not been a single, NOT ONE, legitimate peice of discussion happening in this thread for SIX pages now.
there was a 700 cap, it capped out, discuss the logisitcs like sensible people elsewhere.
JUST LOCK IT
You have by a fairly big stretch the best sig in the MC. I applaud you sir.
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Habraka
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.30 20:27:00 -
[1063]
BoB, we have come for you.
Time's up.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:05:00 -
[1064]
Originally by: Womble God
Originally by: Wicke
FFS people. One person mentioned the '700 cap'. Now three pages later, its suddenly fact. Is there anyone or any information that this was how CCP dealt with the node beyond someones speculation?
Now I see why COAD is seriously worse then the British Papprazzi. Come on guys. Get your head out of your A**.
The 700 man cap is a fact, D2 was trying to use its titan to bring over 200 people and a GM said that there was a 700 man cap on the system and would not allow the jump through.
And if he had let you jump those 200 in, the server would have likely crashed, and the 'epic' battle would've just been boned as you login to find the last several hours undone.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Mike Wizouski
Diligent Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:11:00 -
[1065]
Originally by: Pesadel0
BoB calls you pets why shouldn't we?
That's gold. The pet calling someone else a pet.
Run along to your Ka-Tet masters. You have no freedom in their space.
The funny thing is... BoB treats their residents better than the North. BoB also doesn't require you to refine EVERYTHING in their stations. Good luck with that.
Run along little pet. I hear the whistle blowing. Recess is over.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:17:00 -
[1066]
Originally by: Pesadel0
Something should be changed in 0.0 warfare ,i mean the Gm caped the amount off people alowed in there ?I agree with this ,but if the defense puts 600 people there the attackers can get only 100?
I f anything the Coagiliton just showed to bob and pets that their balls are bigger than yours.
They jumped their capitals without support ,and poped your POS now that is courage/stupidity either way coalition won to me ,not because they "killed" a babytitan but because they can form a fleet off alot of capitals and that is fear.
Sorry but this is nothing but completel propaganda.
BoB knew they would be facing an insane amount of hostiles, they didn't seem to care, and they drew the line in the sand. It seems that a lot of what crossed that line died, and it doesn't take 'bigger balls' to bring larger numbers and massive blobs.
If BoB had no balls, they'd have simply let the POS die, instead they and their allies fielded a large force of their own, and in the end, a POS and maybe a Titan were destroyed, and dozens of coalition capships were killed.
Was a titan really killed? If it was, grats, if it wasn't, I foresee a rather nasty surprise for the coalition at some point.
Being able to field so many capships isn't just 'fear', it's total stupidity. What ever happened to capships being rare? I give EVE a year, if that, before we see capships as a 'standard' for 0.0 pvpers.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:33:00 -
[1067]
Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Incorrect. Yes there was a cap installed some 7 months ago. But after many complaints, that cap was removed again, as evidenced by JV1V. Now, all of a sudden, the cap is being brought back to help BoB again. And people wonder why CCP is getting such a bad rep for favoring one alliance
Incorrect:
There were never more than 700 ppl in Jv1v.
1 thousand people logging in doesn't actually mean 700 people logged in. Show me please 1 screenshot with a local count above 700 in Jv1v.
Regards
c0rn1
You Sirs, should make up your mind because I remeber very well the threads on these forums and angry LV spitting everywhere how goons came by the hundreds with CA and TCF and they've crashed the node and destroyed their titan, because the system had more than 1000 peeps in it and LV and allies were "only 300".
But, of course, of course spin it how you want it, if u don't like black, it's white and then you want it black again, because everybody didn't want white good enough.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:34:00 -
[1068]
Originally by: welsh wizard
Yes but I think that argument is that "eventually" should be now, and rightly so.
The technology and coding doesn't exist right now.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Trishtan DeMore
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:39:00 -
[1069]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
You Sirs, should make up your mind because I remeber very well the threads on these forums and angry LV spitting everywhere how goons came by the hundreds with CA and TCF and they've crashed the node and destroyed their titan, because the system had more than 1000 peeps in it and LV and allies were "only 300".
But, of course, of course spin it how you want it, if u don't like black, it's white and then you want it black again, because everybody didn't want white good enough.
There were 1000 trying to login. but local NEVER exceeded 700. 1000 ppl logging in != 1000 people on the node. They have to be logged in to be counted against that cap.
Before the dreads attacked the node crashed at least TWICE.
regards
c0rn1
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:42:00 -
[1070]
Originally by: Mike Wizouski
Originally by: Pesadel0
BoB calls you pets why shouldn't we?
That's gold. The pet calling someone else a pet.
Run along to your Ka-Tet masters. You have no freedom in their space.
The funny thing is... BoB treats their residents better than the North. BoB also doesn't require you to refine EVERYTHING in their stations. Good luck with that.
Run along little pet. I hear the whistle blowing. Recess is over.
Not really they treat me with respect,the same i can¦t say about BoB ,and yes i was a bob pet before ,i dindt mind that people called me that i lived like a molle ,under the dirt and tougth that i was free and that bob were really cool.
I mean s*** you guys mind being called pet's when even BoB calls you that?That is some wicked psicological disease :)
But you are in for a shock when BoB doest need you anymore,and i hope you all crash and burn.The only way for one to evolve is to die and be born again.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Sorry but this is nothing but completel propaganda.
BoB knew they would be facing an insane amount of hostiles, they didn't seem to care, and they drew the line in the sand. It seems that a lot of what crossed that line died, and it doesn't take 'bigger balls' to bring larger numbers and massive blobs.
Esquse me what is the propaganda you are speaking of ,i was merely stating that IN my opinion the coalition had more "balls"... Why? because they keep on coming (from the reports of bobs/coalition ) to pop the POS and even with tremendous losses they keep on coming.
And dont come here stating that the coalitions had blobs ,hell each side had blobs.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
If BoB had no balls, they'd have simply let the POS die, instead they and their allies fielded a large force of their own, and in the end, a POS and maybe a Titan were destroyed, and dozens of coalition capships were killed.
I said that for me the coagilition had more "balls",course molle has big ones but evil thug has bigger in my opinion.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Being able to field so many capships isn't just 'fear', it's total stupidity. What ever happened to capships being rare? I give EVE a year, if that, before we see capships as a 'standard' for 0.0 pvpers.
Lol stupid?What would you do when there is 2 titans on system?Storm the castle with a bunch off BS?Wake up CAPSHIPS are the new way off live in 0.0 ,has much has it pains me to see that.
That is why i said in the first lines off my post that if CCP doesn't implement some kind of measures this will be the norm in 0.0 massive capital ship fleets killing off every one.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:48:00 -
[1071]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Pesadel0
Something should be changed in 0.0 warfare ,i mean the Gm caped the amount off people alowed in there ?I agree with this ,but if the defense puts 600 people there the attackers can get only 100?
I f anything the Coagiliton just showed to bob and pets that their balls are bigger than yours.
They jumped their capitals without support ,and poped your POS now that is courage/stupidity either way coalition won to me ,not because they "killed" a babytitan but because they can form a fleet off alot of capitals and that is fear.
Sorry but this is nothing but completel propaganda.
BoB knew they would be facing an insane amount of hostiles, they didn't seem to care, and they drew the line in the sand. It seems that a lot of what crossed that line died, and it doesn't take 'bigger balls' to bring larger numbers and massive blobs.
If BoB had no balls, they'd have simply let the POS die, instead they and their allies fielded a large force of their own, and in the end, a POS and maybe a Titan were destroyed, and dozens of coalition capships were killed.
Was a titan really killed? If it was, grats, if it wasn't, I foresee a rather nasty surprise for the coalition at some point.
Being able to field so many capships isn't just 'fear', it's total stupidity. What ever happened to capships being rare? I give EVE a year, if that, before we see capships as a 'standard' for 0.0 pvpers.
I agree. Cap ships are soon the standard of EVE, and it's just sad. But ofcourse, that's because I'm a newbie with below 15m SP... That's a huge issue for CCP to fix in the future. How to make the new players usable in alliance warfare(besides lag).
About the whole discussion about who has balls, I'd say both Coalition and BOB+allies had balls. The Coalition brought it, with a truckload of cap ships. BOB+allies defended with all they had(or so I presume), and had some great kills. Let's congratulate both.
From my personal PoV, BOB had it a tad easier. Before everyone go on a "omg, you h8" BoB, spree, I believe it's due to the lag. It's nothing we can do anything about, but both the lag that occurs, and the max 700 cap that has been the standard, EVE has become a defenders game. I fear that in the future the attackers will witness huge losses to complete their objective, despite their alliegances and who their goal is.
And THAT is the biggest issue that EVE faces in the future.
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Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:52:00 -
[1072]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
I think we had around 250 dreads waiting to hit that POS, sadly only a few got in.
Btw, this is a fraction of what the coalition has...
Oh yes..our capital fleet is dead, what am I talking about
Go and wiggle your e-peen numbers somewhere else.
When a bob fleet gets within 6 jumps of you you cyno out so quickly you leave 50 fighters behind on the field. When this happens 250 dreads mean nothing because you lack the balls/skill to use them.
Northern coalition kb's are a joke with even your own members posting comments like "dont know why we bother" and "I'm never flying under that ****wit FC again".
And lets not mention the player who sold his dread and carrier so he wouldnt have to risk them on the field
I eagerly await your witty "PWYM" retort.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:55:00 -
[1073]
Originally by: Brother Funkyshades
Edited by: Brother Funkyshades on 30/03/2007 14:02:29
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I do not know of any mods that can ONLY be purchased from NPCs for a ship.
Drones and Fighters might not be insurable, but you're missing the point, you bought those drones or fighters from smeone, and so the ISK never left the game, allow me to expand further:
yo, youre right of course, was a bit tired yesterday, and i still am.
when i talked about the modules i was referring to faction/officer stuff.
about the drones/fighters: i still think theres a little mistake, but feel free to correct me (again)
Carl Bear mines his rear end off and builds a templar, a fighter drone used by carriers. He therefor created a value of X isk.
you buy that thing off him, maybe for x+10% but actually i dont care. therefor you just transfer isk, ok point taken.
but that doesnt negate the value of the fighter that gets destroyed.
an equivalent of x isk leave the game upon its poppage. well, problem bein, the only isk(heck or even minerals, i dont see too much difference between time,minerals and isk) that gets sunk is the isk that got introduced by carl bear.
if we start to derail the thread to much, please feel free to correct me in another thread, just post the link.
An ISK sink is when the ISK itself leaves the game. If I kill your officer fitted Nyx, which you spent 50billion isk buying and outfitting, that 50 billion ISK is still ingame. It is spread out among the players you bought stuff from, but it is not gone.
Your ship is gone, so the minerals used to build it and the drones/fighters have been 'sunk'. Your loss is a high ISK value, but the ISK is not gone. Infact, about 5 billion ISK is injected into the game via default insurance payout.
Trust me, the only ISK sink that was in this fight was the POS comps, maybe something else. Unless RKK's production is run by newbies, they had the BPOs at a station and not the POS, so those aren't gone (even though buying them is an ISK sink like the POS parts).
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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monkeyduck
Mithril Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 22:01:00 -
[1074]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: welsh wizard
Yes but I think that argument is that "eventually" should be now, and rightly so.
The technology and coding doesn't exist right now.
Then they should not create situations where things like this are needed. If the game can't support the fleet it needs to take down a POS the owners want to keep alive then there is really something wrong there.
Again, don't code the situation if it can't be handled. As Titan numbers increase, this is only going to become more and more common.
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Zigadenus
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.03.30 22:10:00 -
[1075]
Originally by: monkeyduck
Then they should not create situations where things like this are needed. If the game can't support the fleet it needs to take down a POS the owners want to keep alive then there is really something wrong there.
Again, don't code the situation if it can't be handled.
Amen. Perfect example of developers running amok in "good ideas".
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.30 22:48:00 -
[1076]
Originally by: Koronos
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Lets not forget the coalition isn't the only side that had a few hundred support ships trying to get into the fight. They might've kept those dreads alive, but they might have gotten completely obliterated in an instant by dual DDD blasts, followed up by several hundred bob allied support ships warping on top of them and laying waste to the survivors.
Right, but that would have gotten the dreads out. Fly the support onto the enemy, try to kill their dictors and pop bubbles, if they are DD'ed the dictors, dictor bubbles, and warp bubbles all pop too and the dreads get out, its a mighty mass suicide but its all good. If they are not DD'ed, they can tackle the Bob-side dreads and there can be a mighty cap ship battle and its all good.
Anyway, I understand that what would have actually happened is almost certainly node death, so as I said way earlier, maybe this was the best choice they thought they could make, given all the flack about jv1v. Its just that IF it was a GM decision at the time, as opposed to an already implemented feature, it cost the coalition a bunch of cap ships. But, now we know (or maybe we do), and it just brings up all the issues about how to take advantage of the cap, which takes me back to my original concern that the direction the design of the game has gone makes this situation inevitable, and the game can't handle it, = bad.
But anyway, I just lost a couple of frigs, and the guys that lost dreads have pretty much said, gf, mission accomplished, so I'm not trying to cry about what happened, just participate in a conversation about what happened so that we can all (including ccp) make the best decisions for next time.
Koronos
The DDDs might've killed the bubbles but that wouldn't have mattered if the dreads were in seige mode, since new bubbles could be placed.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.03.30 22:52:00 -
[1077]
This thread has become the stupidest thing ever to grace the CAOD forums.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 22:53:00 -
[1078]
Originally by: Wylker
This thread has become the stupidest thing ever to grace the CAOD forums.
Trust me, it's not even close.
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NAFnist
NAF
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Posted - 2007.03.30 23:05:00 -
[1079]
coalition forces are bringing it to bob, thats for sure
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Regards NAFnist
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airgunner
The Gravedigger Company
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.03.30 23:20:00 -
[1080]
Edited by: airgunner on 30/03/2007 23:25:05
Was your dread destroyed in Delve? Need new components for your lost Titan? Dont worry- but order with THE CAPITAL BUILDERS SHOP ** CHEAPEST AROUND ** Nearly 9,000 capital components for sales directly off the market (not in a POS - so dont even think of it). Equivalent to 1.5 titan (Bob?) or 36 dreads (coalition). First come first serve basis.
Capital Builders Shop ** cheapest around**
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Hayah Theos
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Posted - 2007.03.30 23:21:00 -
[1081]
Here's the solution to all the lag issues.
CCP should just use the same logic in largescale combat that they use in distributing the T2 BPO's....
LOTTERY !!
Whenever you try to jump into a contested system, the server awards the the first 500 combat slots at random.
Hey, how about enhancing your combat lotto chance by adding combat skill specialization for jumping, navigation, recon, and whatever else they can make up.....
That way CCP can extend the subsription time to EVER get into combat. After all, who needs all those pesky noobs around clogging up the node??
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NOTE: The above comment is entirely sarcastic in intent.
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Valchor
Amarr
Ancile Cleric
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Posted - 2007.03.30 23:50:00 -
[1082]
The conflict in the south no matter the kills or losses is probally the kind of action that the pvpers in eve have been looking for since the GNW or the old CA vs SA war.
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 00:14:00 -
[1083]
very true, Velchor. and I exspect even bigger battles to come, as determination on both sides is high and raising.
Old GNW seems to involve a lot of emotion... much, much more than seen here so far.
it'll sure will be interresting to see who in the end holds the field, who looses the drive first, who loose to attrition.
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Julo Replikant
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.31 00:45:00 -
[1084]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: LordInvisible
attackers went for same tactic as when attacking LV space: outnumber the defenders. Node crashes. U stay on the edge of the crashed node and jump in when crashed node gets up. Jumpins have higher priority of loading into system then logins into system.
IN this tactic doesnt matter how many numbers defenders had, beacuse coalition was counting on node crash and their higher priority when jumping into system..
Yea, this tactis seem to be popular nowdays. Its lame and pathetic, but there is no defence against it. I hope CCP does something to stop this from being used in the future, or else 20 dreads and 1000 shuttles can kill any pos, no matter how well defended.
Just to remind day 1 of this battle, which is also day 1 LV and BOB allied themselves.
TCF holded the system key to JV1V...(I don't remember the exact name of the system). Bob Fleet came to rescue them. They brought their titan to the gate, launched a Doomsday in the void (fleet warped and warped back to the gate). Then BOB fleet began to jump into the system and the node crashed. When we have been able to relog again...Well, all the Bob fleet waited us at the gate, shooting us one by one. This day maybe we had lost, maybe we had won, but the node crash helped YOU, LV to hold JV1V.(And we didn't whined on the forum, even if we felt sad. After on the 2nd part of the battle a few days after, the node crashed when the coalition fleet attacked your defense in JV1V system. Since this day i can't count the number of whined i have read in this forum about it.
So please to all whiners of all sides, stop this it isn't a BOD or Meta gaming issue. The hardware just can't hold the income strategy of huge battles. That's simple at that.
Last note : To BOB and allied who glorify themselves to have done sooo much damage during the Delve battle, who'd you have done sooo well if the node would have been able to Really hold that battle? (I personnaly saw a single BS on our gate as all the LV fleet was jumping rofl). And to whinners of our side who lost their ship and fell sad..Stop to accuse bob side to have been privilegied...
Roll a dice, and you win or loose the "LAG-EPIC" Battles...as simple as that.
My last note will go to CCP which introduced those crapy capitals and Doomsday to bring more EPIC battles and which offers us LAG-EPIC battles, as the strategy have adapted to
bring MASS Poeple to get something...
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Brother Funkyshades
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:02:00 -
[1085]
Originally by: airgunner
Edited by: airgunner on 30/03/2007 23:25:05
Was your dread destroyed in Delve? Need new components for your lost Titan? Dont worry- but order with THE CAPITAL BUILDERS SHOP ** CHEAPEST AROUND ** Nearly 9,000 capital components for sales directly off the market (not in a POS - so dont even think of it). Equivalent to 1.5 titan (Bob?) or 36 dreads (coalition). First come first serve basis.
Capital Builders Shop ** cheapest around**
imho he won the thread, we can close it now
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:10:00 -
[1086]
Originally by: Brother Funkyshades
Originally by: airgunner
Edited by: airgunner on 30/03/2007 23:25:05
Was your dread destroyed in Delve? Need new components for your lost Titan? Dont worry- but order with THE CAPITAL BUILDERS SHOP ** CHEAPEST AROUND ** Nearly 9,000 capital components for sales directly off the market (not in a POS - so dont even think of it). Equivalent to 1.5 titan (Bob?) or 36 dreads (coalition). First come first serve basis.
Capital Builders Shop ** cheapest around**
imho he won the thread, we can close it now
QFT. I think I may want to get into the capital ship bussiness soon :).
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Originally by: Ductoris
At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:28:00 -
[1087]
You know. During ASCN vs BOB war, i was laughting hard, reading ASCN forums. "They cheat, they h4x, yada yada yada". So, i would realise, how badly bob folks will laugh if i will go there too
Screenshots :
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1639/20070329204429yn1.jpg
20.44 Attack started few minutes earlier. Local was @ 260, when we opened our cyno.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8461/20070329211536ou3.jpg
21.15 Capital gang dropped by 50 people. Just crashed. Rest - just can`t see grid.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6029/20070329212239vd3.jpg
21.22 POS shield down. Pay your attention to nicknames on your overview. Some from first 2 waves died, new meatshield entered the battlefield.
Finish him
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8148/20070329215414oh9.jpg
21.54 Bob pilots finishing capitals left on the battlefield. Rest of coalition capital pilots ceased attempts to do anything, and received order to log off.
Screenshot from support fleet.
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dermout7.jpg
"In the space - noone can hear your scream"
Some facts about supporting gang :
RA \ aAa gang. 260 people, at least 150 battleships. Noone managed to get even 2 jumps away from F-TE1T.
D2\MM\RZR. 350 people, at least 200 battleships. Norther folks tryed to get to the system using jump bridge array. They managed to get 2 people here. TWO people from 350.
Goonfleet gang. 250 people, not sure about bs count. I saw 10 wrecks from them on the battlefield.
"We are expiriencing problems with node. Please wait..." (till your capital ships will be killed).
During JV1V - local count was @ 1200 people. Now - it never raised above 450. Why ? I don`t know.
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Apocalypsee
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:38:00 -
[1088]
Originally by: Evil Thug
During JV1V - local count was @ 1200 people. Now - it never raised above 450. Why ? I don`t know.
Proof or Stfu
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INZi
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:41:00 -
[1089]
Originally by: Evil Thug
"We are expiriencing problems with node. Please wait..." (till your capital ships will be killed).
i can imagine the frustration
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:54:00 -
[1090]
Originally by: Wylker
This thread has become the stupidest thing ever to grace the CAOD forums.
Just wait for the threadnought to arrive.
Otherwise, its not even close
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Skrypt
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:57:00 -
[1091]
L
O
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The irony! This brings me much joy.
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Crucifier
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:19:00 -
[1092]
Originally by: Skrypt
L
O
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The irony! This brings me much joy.
hewwo noob
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:22:00 -
[1093]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 31/03/2007 03:20:04
I agree with those saying CCP needs to change a few things concerning POS warfare and Titans.
The battle of JV1-V in which LV lost, was as much a desaster from a technical point of view as the battle of F-TE1T.
POS warfare was never very popular with the player base, yet it is needed to capture or protect territory.
Core systems of major alliances currently require huge numbers to attack, yet the game can not handle the massive numbers involved in these battles.
So it is obvious that something is wrong.
I do not think anyone can seriously be blamed for this, not the attacking nor the defending side.
CCP always envisioned huge battles taking place, it just seems they did not forsee to full extent how problematic these are.
A possible technical solution might be to setup an extra server for fleet battles. This server would need to be designed so that it can give massive calculation power to one, or better even, a handfull of nodes.
So the current cluster handels everything as usual, but when peak cpu - exceeding the per node capability of the current cluster - is needed, then the fleet server kicks in and takes over on these nodes.
I am not a hardware or programming specialist, so no idea if this would be technically feasable. That is for the experts to figure out.
EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
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nickycakes
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:32:00 -
[1094]
You muppets got spanked worse than anyone has ever been spanked in this game to date in any single battle. Nothing even comes close. And still you are trying to claim victory.
Pathetic.
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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Crucifier
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:36:00 -
[1095]
Originally by: nickycakes
You muppets got spanked worse than anyone has ever been spanked in this game to date in any single battle. Nothing even comes close. And still you are trying to claim victory.
Pathetic.
hey nickycakes, what happend to youre space? Oh thats right, you lost it. The fact that lv think they still are somebody is hilarious. Seeing as they are infact, very very
pathetic.
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Vidar Kentoran
Minmatar
Provenance.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:37:00 -
[1096]
Originally by: nickycakes
Pathetic.
Yes, that is an accurate description of your alliance.
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:38:00 -
[1097]
Originally by: nickycakes
You muppets
Haha... irony overload
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:45:00 -
[1098]
Originally by: nickycakes
You muppets got spanked worse than anyone has ever been spanked in this game to date in any single battle. Nothing even comes close. And still you are trying to claim victory.
Pathetic.
D2 lost a Titan, and yet they still fight, as does the entire coalition. You tools suffered a Titan kill, and your sorry alliance crumbled. That's pathetic.
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nickycakes
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:47:00 -
[1099]
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: nickycakes
You muppets got spanked worse than anyone has ever been spanked in this game to date in any single battle. Nothing even comes close. And still you are trying to claim victory.
Pathetic.
hey nickycakes, what happend to youre space? Oh thats right, you lost it. The fact that lv think they still are somebody is hilarious. Seeing as they are infact, very very
pathetic.
for a nobody alliance, we sure got a lot of dread killmails yesterday.
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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Galactic Overlord
CAOD Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:51:00 -
[1100]
POO POO
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Skrypt
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:53:00 -
[1101]
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: nickycakes
You muppets got spanked worse than anyone has ever been spanked in this game to date in any single battle. Nothing even comes close. And still you are trying to claim victory.
Pathetic.
hey nickycakes, what happend to youre space? Oh thats right, you lost it. The fact that lv think they still are somebody is hilarious. Seeing as they are infact, very very
pathetic.
BE has claimed a lot of space in its day.
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:54:00 -
[1102]
Originally by: Evil Thug
You know. During ASCN vs BOB war, i was laughting hard, reading ASCN forums. "They cheat, they h4x, yada yada yada". So, i would realise, how badly bob folks will laugh if i will go there too
Screenshots :
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1639/20070329204429yn1.jpg
20.44 Attack started few minutes earlier. Local was @ 260, when we opened our cyno.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8461/20070329211536ou3.jpg
21.15 Capital gang dropped by 50 people. Just crashed. Rest - just can`t see grid.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6029/20070329212239vd3.jpg
21.22 POS shield down. Pay your attention to nicknames on your overview. Some from first 2 waves died, new meatshield entered the battlefield.
Finish him
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8148/20070329215414oh9.jpg
21.54 Bob pilots finishing capitals left on the battlefield. Rest of coalition capital pilots ceased attempts to do anything, and received order to log off.
Screenshot from support fleet.
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dermout7.jpg
"In the space - noone can hear your scream"
Some facts about supporting gang :
RA \ aAa gang. 260 people, at least 150 battleships. Noone managed to get even 2 jumps away from F-TE1T.
D2\MM\RZR. 350 people, at least 200 battleships. Norther folks tryed to get to the system using jump bridge array. They managed to get 2 people here. TWO people from 350.
Goonfleet gang. 250 people, not sure about bs count. I saw 10 wrecks from them on the battlefield.
"We are expiriencing problems with node. Please wait..." (till your capital ships will be killed).
During JV1V - local count was @ 1200 people. Now - it never raised above 450. Why ? I don`t know.
So.. in essence... after the JV1V debacle, CCP took proactive steps to ensure the game was even playable whatsoever (5 hours staring at a black screen ftw?), did what they could to make it all run, and that has to be bobgmdevhax? Rather than a company trying to make its game run for the players?
Damned if they do damned if they dont much? Please direct your further complaints to our crisis hotline. Cheers
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ispyozs
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:56:00 -
[1103]
Originally by: Skrypt
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: nickycakes
You muppets got spanked worse than anyone has ever been spanked in this game to date in any single battle. Nothing even comes close. And still you are trying to claim victory.
Pathetic.
hey nickycakes, what happend to youre space? Oh thats right, you lost it. The fact that lv think they still are somebody is hilarious. Seeing as they are infact, very very
pathetic.
BE has claimed a lot of space in its day.
LV has lost alot of space
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:57:00 -
[1104]
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Rather than a company trying to make its game run for the players?
For which players ?
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Cpt Psycho
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:02:00 -
[1105]
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: nickycakes
You muppets got spanked worse than anyone has ever been spanked in this game to date in any single battle. Nothing even comes close. And still you are trying to claim victory.
Pathetic.
hey nickycakes, what happend to youre space? Oh thats right, you lost it. The fact that lv think they still are somebody is hilarious. Seeing as they are infact, very very
pathetic.
I love how you lamers always play the "What happened to LV space?" card when you have no other decent retort. Sooooo lame. Why not just come out with "I'm rubber, you're n00b... whatever you say..."
You can smack or whine anyway you want but the fact of the matter remains the coalition got spanked harder in that single battle than any other single battle in eve's entire history. Spanked. Worse spankage than the second largest by a long shot. End of discussion.
Saying 'we did what we wanted so we won' is a poor argument. It'd be like setting out to pod an ibis with 50 bs and having all your bs DD'd right after destroying the ibis and saying 'we did what we wanted (destroyed the ibis), so we won the engagement.' Makes zero sense.
And regardless of what you say about LV...... how many dreads did they help pop yesterday? Exactly. |
INZi
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:06:00 -
[1106]
Originally by: nickycakes
You muppets got spanked worse than anyone has ever been spanked in this game to date in any single battle. Nothing even comes close. And still you are trying to claim victory.
Pathetic.
your masters has said multpli times that alliance living in that space that you are living in atm aint nothing and they dont deserve crap.
imo as much as i should stay out of this thread i realy dont find it suitable for LV to burst into this thread pounding their chest and make silly statements as they've done.
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Aramark
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:08:00 -
[1107]
Edited by: Aramark on 31/03/2007 04:05:14
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Aasia: |
Arrgs
Sicarri Covenant
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:15:00 -
[1108]
This is the large thread I have ever seen by a full 11 pages.
Damn.
My first video!
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Centerfold
Caldari
Underworld
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:16:00 -
[1109]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Rather than a company trying to make its game run for the players?
For which players ?
The question is not for which players, but because of which players? POS warfare, control-Q, logon traps, etc. All those changes were made because of people abusing the game mechanics. Looks like 700 system cap is another change because of group of people attempting to crash nodes to acheave victory. Good call CCP. If Evil Thug disaproves, you must be doing something right.
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Aramark
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:17:00 -
[1110]
if i don't stop playing eve my GF is going to do this to me
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:28:00 -
[1111]
bit sad how people are hanging on to the fact that the anti-BoB crew lost so many dreads. they got their job done, so who gives a ****?! Did the germans on d-day say 'zomg we total pwndzed your men and stuffz so we won even tho you gained ur objective'? no. i didn't think so
Originally by: SPQRMocton
We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
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Drag Queen
Caldari
The Merchant Marines
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:48:00 -
[1112]
Edited by: Drag Queen on 31/03/2007 04:46:02
Originally by: Captain Hudson
bit sad how people are hanging on to the fact that the anti-BoB crew lost so many dreads. they got their job done, so who gives a ****?! Did the germans on d-day say 'zomg we total pwndzed your men and stuffz so we won even tho you gained ur objective'? no. i didn't think so
Who held the field at the end of the battle?
It's difficult to answer a question like that. Allies lost so many people in an attempt to gain a beachhead in France that it's difficult to say that they "won" on that day. But the events of D-Day were necessary to winning the war in Europe.
The Allies were able to invade the beaches that day and establish a place for troops and equipment to come ashore. With the forces that came, the allies were able to defeat the Axis powers and eventually destroy ******. <--- filter ftl (The nasty corporal with the silly moustache who was in charge of Germany ...)
So? Question is, where is the coallition beach head in F-T?
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:58:00 -
[1113]
Edited by: Brunswick2 on 31/03/2007 04:54:14
FFS, no more WW2 analagies.
This is an INTERNET (not RL) SPACE (not northern France) GAME (once again, not RL) set in the FUTURE (not 1943)
The Germans couldn't put Strontium in their bunkers, the Americans couldn't doomsday the Japanese navy...
EVE works different than RL, therefore, looking at past RL history doesn't help you decide the outcome of an internet pew pew space game.
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.31 05:10:00 -
[1114]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Rather than a company trying to make its game run for the players?
For which players ?
This SEKREIT transmission just uncovered!!
SirMolle> Your finger better be over that nerf warpin button cretin!
Boblackydevgmslavegi> *whimpers* Yes Grand High Poobah Molle, your will is my command!
*Coalition caps warpin*
SirMolle> NOW!! Hit it now or i dock your pay for a year fool!
<KAZAP!>
SirMolle> MWUAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! *strokes black cat with gloved hand from highbacked black leather chair, mumbles something about getting gadget next time? weird*
Please don't mistake stupidity for conspiracy .
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Icy Z
Superstars from Outer Space
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Posted - 2007.03.31 08:01:00 -
[1115]
Edited by: Icy Z on 31/03/2007 07:58:23
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Rather than a company trying to make its game run for the players?
For which players ?
This SEKREIT transmission just uncovered!!
SirMolle> Your finger better be over that nerf warpin button cretin!
Boblackydevgmslavegi> *whimpers* Yes Grand High Poobah Molle, your will is my command!
*Coalition caps warpin*
SirMolle> NOW!! Hit it now or i dock your pay for a year fool!
<KAZAP!>
SirMolle> MWUAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! *strokes black cat with gloved hand from highbacked black leather chair, mumbles something about getting gadget next time? weird*
Please don't mistake stupidity for conspiracy .
Ok Ok ok...
SeKretz:
* silenze sil'vous plait *
* turn orf music thats playink *
* cranck up tha stereooo *
And JOIN
The Coalition Victory Celebration
The Allied Victory Celebration
(DONT NOT NEVER EVER press tha red button in tha uppa right corna!!!!!!!)
And dis is what tha kitten says about all that....
Now- like always-
much ♥ to ya'll, and take it icy Z |
Mss Alt
Gallente
The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.31 09:51:00 -
[1116]
LV guys, you lost your home region to the coalition.
They lost a couple of ships to BoB&pets.
Get over it. Stop being frustrated.
I didn't say BoB didn't do a great job on killing capitals, but EvE is not rl. They didn't kill 50 carriers that need years to produce and 50 of the top generals. Those guys can come tomorrow in the same ships.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.31 09:53:00 -
[1117]
Originally by: nickycakes
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: nickycakes
You muppets got spanked worse than anyone has ever been spanked in this game to date in any single battle. Nothing even comes close. And still you are trying to claim victory.
Pathetic.
hey nickycakes, what happend to youre space? Oh thats right, you lost it. The fact that lv think they still are somebody is hilarious. Seeing as they are infact, very very
pathetic.
for a nobody alliance, we sure got a lot of dread killmails yesterday.
there it is again, dead pet alliances calling themselves bob/mc
pathetic.
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.03.31 10:35:00 -
[1118]
Oh, Evil Thug contributes his tears as well to the coalitionwaterfall?
I must have missed something =)
Aren't you supposed to be happy, because you achieved your objective?
Regards
c0rn1
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
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Mss Alt
Gallente
The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.31 10:50:00 -
[1119]
As my last post on this degrading thread.
The thing is that the coalition managed to do something that nobody did before.
They killed a TITAN.
And that without using meta gaming or crashing the node.
I sincerely don't think that anybody is stupid enough to think that the coalition would send it's capitals in with no support to an almost sure death without knowing for sure that was a titan cooking in there. I'm sure you guys realize that not only BoB has spies.
Mss Alt out
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Rumata
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.31 11:29:00 -
[1120]
Edited by: Rumata on 31/03/2007 11:26:15
find 3 Differences
cap fleet before pressing jump to member
cap fleet after jumping
good job
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.31 11:33:00 -
[1121]
Edited by: Fuujin on 31/03/2007 11:34:00
Originally by: Rumata
Edited by: Rumata on 31/03/2007 11:26:15
find 3 Differences
cap fleet before pressing jump to member
cap fleet after jumping
good job
Yeah that sums it up ....well perfectly.
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Apocalypsee
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 11:36:00 -
[1122]
Originally by: Fuujin
Originally by: Rumata
Edited by: Rumata on 31/03/2007 11:26:15
find 3 Differences
cap fleet before pressing jump to member
cap fleet after jumping
Yeah that sums it up ....well perfectly.
good job
Well I found the 3 differences. But than I looked a little harder and ffs I found 50!!!!!
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Guderian
Gallente
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 11:45:00 -
[1123]
Edited by: Guderian on 31/03/2007 11:41:29
Originally by: Evil Thug
something about lag and getting killed and crying about it
Just admit you are bitter because you couldn't crash the node as in JV1V so you could cyno in your fleet without resistance, because the defenders had crahed and were looking at the login screen.
"Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lie beyond." |
Faceless Pokemon
THe X Spies
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Posted - 2007.03.31 11:46:00 -
[1124]
This could all work out quite well for BOB. Coalition takes all of LV's space, BOB takes back all the gained space and then LV rents their former space from BOB. So bob keeps all its own territory, the territory of its allies and also enemy space. Ingenuis :)
Working together to kill Xelas from the inside |
Gibmundur
Amarr
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.31 11:53:00 -
[1125]
I demand to be moved to agil!
Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg |
Nez Sewers
Black Toilet.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 12:14:00 -
[1126]
Originally by: Evil Thug
You know. During ASCN vs BOB war, i was laughting hard, reading ASCN forums. "They cheat, they h4x, yada yada yada". So, i would realise, how badly bob folks will laugh if i will go there too
Screenshots :
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1639/20070329204429yn1.jpg
20.44 Attack started few minutes earlier. Local was @ 260, when we opened our cyno.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8461/20070329211536ou3.jpg
21.15 Capital gang dropped by 50 people. Just crashed. Rest - just can`t see grid.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6029/20070329212239vd3.jpg
21.22 POS shield down. Pay your attention to nicknames on your overview. Some from first 2 waves died, new meatshield entered the battlefield.
Finish him
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8148/20070329215414oh9.jpg
21.54 Bob pilots finishing capitals left on the battlefield. Rest of coalition capital pilots ceased attempts to do anything, and received order to log off.
Screenshot from support fleet.
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dermout7.jpg
"In the space - noone can hear your scream"
Some facts about supporting gang :
RA \ aAa gang. 260 people, at least 150 battleships. Noone managed to get even 2 jumps away from F-TE1T.
D2\MM\RZR. 350 people, at least 200 battleships. Norther folks tryed to get to the system using jump bridge array. They managed to get 2 people here. TWO people from 350.
Goonfleet gang. 250 people, not sure about bs count. I saw 10 wrecks from them on the battlefield.
"We are expiriencing problems with node. Please wait..." (till your capital ships will be killed).
During JV1V - local count was @ 1200 people. Now - it never raised above 450. Why ? I don`t know.
That are some impressive BS numbers but from reading your post I get the feeling you're not happy with the outcome of the battle
I think next time you need more BS. Let me help you.
There are places in empire where there are many BS flying around. To name a few: Kaunokka, Saila, Aramachi, Motsu...
If you go there and ask them nicely they'll come and help you. They fly mostly ravens though.
Anyway is BoB's wife better that MC's wife ?
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.31 12:16:00 -
[1127]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 31/03/2007 12:13:00
Originally by: Faceless Pokemon
This could all work out quite well for BOB. Coalition takes all of LV's space, BOB takes back all the gained space and then LV rents their former space from BOB. So bob keeps all its own territory, the territory of its allies and also enemy space. Ingenuis :)
If I was in LV, my primary concern would be talking revenge / beating the coalition.
Grabbing territory would be second.
A won war and defeated arch enemies are worth more than billions in your wallet. Thinking about my wallet and maybe the next war would come after that. But maybe that's just me.
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Muuuhhh !!! |
Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 12:37:00 -
[1128]
After 2 years of EVE with countless battles, I have learnt that the ones who whines most after the battle are usually the ones who lost
Anyway, it was a gf from both sides, and it was fun in a very unfun (!?) way.
This talk about GM interference and cheating is getting a little old though. I remember we used to accuse Five of that when i was F-E, and they accused us of it.
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Tod Klemp
Gallente
K-Street Project
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Posted - 2007.03.31 14:07:00 -
[1129]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 30/03/2007 14:28:13
In answer to the tinfoilhattery going on w/ regards to BoB taking advantage of the 700 limit: get real. If that was the case, we would have had 700 people in there hours before the POS came out of reinforced, and we wouldn't have jumped a 150-man fleet into J-L 20 minutes prior. Said fleet tried to come back into F-T to pop the cynos, but we all know how that ended.
EDIT: Sorry boss, I know I'm not supposed to post here, but call it compensation for the 4 hours of jump queues and lag while you were looking after the old lady
post with your main.
This IS my main.
then why do you refer to bob as "we" in your posts?
i still say post with your main or dont post at all.
Isnt you main, Malken, permabanned?
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Relyen
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.03.31 14:39:00 -
[1130]
Originally by: Tod Klemp
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 30/03/2007 14:28:13
In answer to the tinfoilhattery going on w/ regards to BoB taking advantage of the 700 limit: get real. If that was the case, we would have had 700 people in there hours before the POS came out of reinforced, and we wouldn't have jumped a 150-man fleet into J-L 20 minutes prior. Said fleet tried to come back into F-T to pop the cynos, but we all know how that ended.
EDIT: Sorry boss, I know I'm not supposed to post here, but call it compensation for the 4 hours of jump queues and lag while you were looking after the old lady
post with your main.
This IS my main.
then why do you refer to bob as "we" in your posts?
i still say post with your main or dont post at all.
Isnt you main, Malken, permabanned?
Deschenus Maximus is his main.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.31 15:56:00 -
[1131]
I can't help but wonder how some people cannot fathom why CCP wouldn't allow several THOUSAND people into a single server.
Surely it couldn't have to do with causing repeated server crashes, since we all know only this fight in 0.0 matters, not the other 15-20k people that were online elsewhere.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Darko1107
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.31 16:01:00 -
[1132]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I can't help but wonder how some people cannot fathom why CCP wouldn't allow several THOUSAND people into a single server.
Surely it couldn't have to do with causing repeated server crashes, since we all know only this fight in 0.0 matters, not the other 15-20k people that were online elsewhere.
Yeh, how dare those several thousand people that pay hundreds of pounds per year expect to go where they want, when they want.
Nob****es!
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.31 16:16:00 -
[1133]
Quote:
RA \ aAa gang. 260 people, at least 150 battleships. Noone managed to get even 2 jumps away from F-TE1T.
I did, I was one jump away when the shipyard was down \o/ ! But well I didn't jumped with the fleet and didnt knew where the fleet is, perhaps my lack of russian understanding didn't helped that. Or rapid deploying through bob gatecamps with ship bigger than a ceptor (mallediction myself) do not please everyone .
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Quote:
Thou shall pew pew.
Book of Revelation 12, 51 |
Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.03.31 17:43:00 -
[1134]
Originally by: Darko1107
Yeh, how dare those several thousand people that pay hundreds of pounds per year expect to go where they want, when they want.
the same way people dare to assume that, because they pay a few bucks every month to play, that they are entitled to what they want, when they want it and how.
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.31 18:15:00 -
[1135]
Originally by: Darko1107
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I can't help but wonder how some people cannot fathom why CCP wouldn't allow several THOUSAND people into a single server.
Surely it couldn't have to do with causing repeated server crashes, since we all know only this fight in 0.0 matters, not the other 15-20k people that were online elsewhere.
Yeh, how dare those several thousand people that pay hundreds of pounds per year expect to go where they want, when they want.
Nob****es!
Could you point out in the EULA where it says you have unrestricted access in any numbers, to any place, at anay time?
Maybe you could point me to some devblogs where CCP mention a system being able to hold several thousand players and not have it result in a Nodecrash or server-wide crash.
And yes, how dare you and the bob side think that their 2-3 thousand players should be able to do something that could **** up EVE for the other 20 thousand online.
If you try and tell me something like 'well it's CCP's fault', then you're an ignorant fool. Anyone in the Coalition or BoB side of the war who didn't think there would be issues, got what they deserved.
You can't cram thousands of players into a system and have a massive battle, but you tried to do it anyways, you knew what would happen, none of you have any right to ***** about what happened. You aren't special, you don't have the privilege to crash the node and possibly the entire server just because you are bringing as big a blob as humanly possible.
Besides, you had what, 150-200 other dreads waiting for something to do? Send a couple cyno ships into NOL and put all those towers into reinforced, BoB's forces would've likely been unable to respond in time.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr
BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.03.31 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Darko1107
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I can't help but wonder how some people cannot fathom why CCP wouldn't allow several THOUSAND people into a single server.
Surely it couldn't have to do with causing repeated server crashes, since we all know only this fight in 0.0 matters, not the other 15-20k people that were online elsewhere.
Yeh, how dare those several thousand people that pay hundreds of pounds per year expect to go where they want, when they want.
Nob****es!
Could you point out in the EULA where it says you have unrestricted access in any numbers, to any place, at anay time?
Maybe you could point me to some devblogs where CCP mention a system being able to hold several thousand players and not have it result in a Nodecrash or server-wide crash.
And yes, how dare you and the bob side think that their 2-3 thousand players should be able to do something that could **** up EVE for the other 20 thousand online.
If you try and tell me something like 'well it's CCP's fault', then you're an ignorant fool. Anyone in the Coalition or BoB side of the war who didn't think there would be issues, got what they deserved.
You can't cram thousands of players into a system and have a massive battle, but you tried to do it anyways, you knew what would happen, none of you have any right to ***** about what happened. You aren't special, you don't have the privilege to crash the node and possibly the entire server just because you are bringing as big a blob as humanly possible.
Besides, you had what, 150-200 other dreads waiting for something to do? Send a couple cyno ships into NOL and put all those towers into reinforced, BoB's forces would've likely been unable to respond in time.
The coaltion doesn't have the brains to send 200 bored dreads into another system and slam a few pos into reinforced which they could have and caused alot of dmg but they are single minded and that is there greatest downfall. When they learn to co-ordinate sevral diffrent atatcks in sevral differ reguions, they will do better
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Klitana
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Posted - 2007.03.31 19:01:00 -
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I think instead of all this bickering back and forth between who got the best out of the other night. . .folks should think past their noses and start pondering on what this means for EVE.
CCP has always touted the fact that in EVE you DON'T have to be the person that's been in the game the longest to make a difference. That any 1 week old nugget (BSG reference ftw) can fit up a ship, get to 0.0, and have fun while making a difference. Welp. . .not anymore. If CCP is going to start capping systems, beyond the fact that it'll get exploited to hell and back (like sticking 700 people in to defend or attack denying the other side any opportunity to counter), it's going to start denying big fleet engagements to a vast majority of people. If you know you're only going to be able to have say, 400 folks that can feasibly get in system to attack because you believe the enemy will have 300 or so defending, then all the guys in frigates and such will be told to stay home while the cap ship pilots and the BS/specialty pilots will get to go. Also, this cap nonsense inherently benefits higher skillpoint players because it almost totally negates any numbers advantage one side might have. You have 10,000 people? Well, sorry. . .since we've constructed our game to play like a turn-based board game with static structures like POSes that work on a strict time schedule you're just SOL if you want to make sure a system gets taken/POS goes down/etc. IMHO BOB intentionally left some space open in F-T (because let's be serious, if they'd stuck 700 people in system and NO coalition people had been able to jump in because of the cap CCP would probably be getting death threats/mass cancelations and the BoD tag would NEVER wash off in a million years), but next time they could easily leave no spaces open. Access denied. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 dollars. If any of you do get in our 40 million skillpoint players are now on even par w/ you because any numerical advantage you might have had is moot.
I hate to sound so biased and whiny here, but I'm just starting to see a trend. The Bobbits benefit from borked game mechanics until something comes along that can beat them and then the mechanics are changed to keep them in front. Remember when BOB were the Blobbers and denied caps to people that didn't do what they wanted like in EC w/ Trust or whomever? It was perfectly fine for Blobbing then (I remember the Bobbits going on and on about it for WEEKS back when they could post w/ their mains, hardy har har), but now all of a sudden it's no go because BOB can actually get shafted by them? I mean, just the fact that no cap was enforced at JV1V and there was one enforced in F-T smells all sorts of rotten. The GMs/devs/whomever knew there were going to be a massive amount of people coming to JV1V. . .yet they didn't cap the system and completely keep the 1000+ people outside in M-X waiting, did they? No. I have it on good report from SEVERAL people that local went over 700 several times. I'm sure most LV don't think so because they got booted and started closing their clients and petitioning instead of waiting it out like coalition members did. The system could have easily been capped and LV would have had a shot at defending their fetus. Instead, that only happens when it's a BOB system/POS/whatever? Hrm....
EVE is failing in everything it promises. Fleet battles are a joke. This supposed idea of even play between skill levels is quickly becoming a joke. And finally, CCP caring about anything other than covering their mistakes up and toeing the "party line" has already gone from the funny, to the ironic, to just plain sad. But hey. . .guess what guys. . .at least you'll be able to see your character walk around in stations and whatnot. Nevermind that you'll be so lagged that they'll have to start capping the number of people that can dock...
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.31 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Koronos on 31/03/2007 19:05:42
1st (big) paragraph is spot on Klitana. My take on the cap vs jv1v though is because so many people complained about the node crashes in jv1v that they tried to make that not happen here. I dont think that was a BoD thing, I think it was a legitimate attempt to make it work, it just happened to result in a ton of coalition dread kills.
but maybe I'm naive.
Koronos
p.s. you're not going to get banned for trolling, but your post is going to get deleted for no ticker.
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.03.31 19:11:00 -
[1139]
Edited by: n0thing on 31/03/2007 19:13:32
In purely technical response to the idea if 'backup fleet battle server' few pages ago, I would say that better would be not having a server that would just be there incase of huge battle, but rather add second cluster group just for several problem regions.
That includes 0.0 chokepoints, 0.0 alliance center systems, outpost systems and such. Nothing needs to be revealed, just pure developer research on regions usage, so once regions with top loads found, just get em separated from main unit.
Imo, the long-term goal is best to simply make no-sec space on one cluster A and empire + low-sec on second cluster B, each should be nearly as one TQ now,
then I think stuff like traffic control and other stuff can be gone for good.
*Again, reply doesnt reflect any political issues, purely technical.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr
BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.03.31 19:37:00 -
[1140]
Originally by: Koronos
Edited by: Koronos on 31/03/2007 19:05:42
1st (big) paragraph is spot on Klitana. My take on the cap vs jv1v though is because so many people complained about the node crashes in jv1v that they tried to make that not happen here. I dont think that was a BoD thing, I think it was a legitimate attempt to make it work, it just happened to result in a ton of coalition dread kills.
but maybe I'm naive.
Koronos
p.s. you're not going to get banned for trolling, but your post is going to get deleted for no ticker.
lol So... Now your blaming CCP fior the 57 dread lossess? Rich, real rich,BOB where outnumbered boy n CCP did not want the system to crash and get a ton of reimbusement peititoned. You took the POS out and now u knwo its not a titan ur trying to jusify your losess by what? Calling BOB BOD? Or blaming CCP for caspping the system so u lsot all theose dreads because of it?
Oh NAD BTW, the whole BOD thing has been proved that only 1 gm was involved, t20 and only three bob members knew he was cheating. Sos top calling them that cause its egtting old
Thanks
BS out
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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ElCholo
Minmatar
FarCry Inc
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.31 19:39:00 -
[1141]
Caps = bad.
Jv1v .. I distinctly remember the number 1039 as in local - but that was with JV1V running on singularity server in jita mode.
There were no caps on local in jv1v.
question to LV .. can the reason many could get back into jv1v have anything to do with the person rumored on lv teamspeak telling their people to relog every 30 seconds ? Was LV trying to crash node ? I cant think of any other reason to constantly relog, cuz if u keep reloggin u not gettin in game.
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chrisreeves
Gallente
Asgard Protectorate
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.31 19:45:00 -
[1142]
IBTL
just wanted to get in here and get a piece of the action
Hi Mom! /me waves
Oh, btw stop crying people, sheesh. You killed a shipyard, accomplishing your goal and you are complaining because you couldn't bring in even more blobs? Makey no sensy to me.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.31 20:02:00 -
[1143]
Originally by: Blue Stratos
Originally by: Koronos
Edited by: Koronos on 31/03/2007 19:05:42
1st (big) paragraph is spot on Klitana. My take on the cap vs jv1v though is because so many people complained about the node crashes in jv1v that they tried to make that not happen here. I dont think that was a BoD thing, I think it was a legitimate attempt to make it work, it just happened to result in a ton of coalition dread kills.
but maybe I'm naive.
Koronos
p.s. you're not going to get banned for trolling, but your post is going to get deleted for no ticker.
lol So... Now your blaming CCP fior the 57 dread lossess? Rich, real rich,BOB where outnumbered boy n CCP did not want the system to crash and get a ton of reimbusement peititoned. You took the POS out and now u knwo its not a titan ur trying to jusify your losess by what? Calling BOB BOD? Or blaming CCP for caspping the system so u lsot all theose dreads because of it?
OMG learn to read.
Originally by: Blue Stratos
<snip>
BS out
God I wish. Loooove how you posted in another thread you had decided to stop trolling. Guess that worked for what, 20 minutes?
Koronos
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Apocalypsee
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.31 20:06:00 -
[1144]
Originally by: ElCholo
Caps = bad.
Jv1v .. I distinctly remember the number 1039 as in local - but that was with JV1V running on singularity server in jita mode.
There were no caps on local in jv1v.
question to LV .. can the reason many could get back into jv1v have anything to do with the person rumored on lv teamspeak telling their people to relog every 30 seconds ? Was LV trying to crash node ? I cant think of any other reason to constantly relog, cuz if u keep reloggin u not gettin in game.
Ummmm the only reason you guys got into that system was because after 4 hours of black screen most ppl said **** it and went back to their lives. But yea show me these 1000 ppl in local doing anything other that watching a black screen or empty space. Nice tho.... we crashed the node with our 500ppl and ur 1000 had nothing to do with it. Quit *****ing changes nothing.
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Morpheus Dreadnor
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Posted - 2007.03.31 20:25:00 -
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the coalition have done nothing but whine ever since this incident.. well go whine somewhere on privat forums.. eve population dont care if u lost 1 million dreads.. nore do we care if bob lost a ship yard... they prolly have more than 1 no ?
now all STFU and start fighting instead of using time here WHINERS!
Auction caracter.
Signature image removed - That's just wrong... mkay? - Immy
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.01 00:39:00 -
[1146]
Originally by: Morpheus Dreadnor
the coalition have done nothing but whine ever since this incident.. well go whine somewhere on privat forums.. eve population dont care if u lost 1 million dreads.. nore do we care if bob lost a ship yard... they prolly have more than 1 no ?
now all STFU and start fighting instead of using time here WHINERS!
POST WITH YOUR MAIN OR STFU!
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pylons38
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.01 07:10:00 -
[1147]
Originally by: Blue Stratos
Originally by: Koronos
Edited by: Koronos on 31/03/2007 19:05:42
1st (big) paragraph is spot on Klitana. My take on the cap vs jv1v though is because so many people complained about the node crashes in jv1v that they tried to make that not happen here. I dont think that was a BoD thing, I think it was a legitimate attempt to make it work, it just happened to result in a ton of coalition dread kills.
but maybe I'm naive.
Koronos
p.s. you're not going to get banned for trolling, but your post is going to get deleted for no ticker.
lol So... Now your blaming CCP fior the 57 dread lossess? Rich, real rich,BOB where outnumbered boy n CCP did not want the system to crash and get a ton of reimbusement peititoned. You took the POS out and now u knwo its not a titan ur trying to jusify your losess by what? Calling BOB BOD? Or blaming CCP for caspping the system so u lsot all theose dreads because of it?
Oh NAD BTW, the whole BOD thing has been proved that only 1 gm was involved, t20 and only three bob members knew he was cheating. Sos top calling them that cause its egtting old
Thanks
BS out
hullo BoD fanboy
it's not a titan?...hmmmmmmm
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.04.01 08:49:00 -
[1148]
Edited by: Xendie on 01/04/2007 08:46:02
Originally by: Tod Klemp
Isnt you main, Malken, permabanned?
that is my other character and that account is not permabanned in the game just on the forums
and fyi... ive had this character longer then that one so this would be my main so to speak.
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.04.01 09:20:00 -
[1149]
I am just curious to see what CCP will do when BoB tries to attack a goon system and the goons stuff around 700 defenders into that system.
Will they deny BoB access to that system, telling them that it is already full? Or will they just let the node crash so that it is free again and BoB can enter and the goons inside the system cannot log in because of the screwed priorities?
Mark my words and don't forget them when it comes to that situation.
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Lady Vorax
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.01 09:28:00 -
[1150]
Originally by: Gnulpie
I am just curious to see what CCP will do when BoB tries to attack a goon system and the goons stuff around 700 defenders into that system.
Will they deny BoB access to that system, telling them that it is already full? Or will they just let the node crash so that it is free again and BoB can enter and the goons inside the system cannot log in because of the screwed priorities?
Mark my words and don't forget them when it comes to that situation.
crash the node, they let it happen to lv.....
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Klitana
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.04.01 11:30:00 -
[1151]
Originally by: Lady Vorax
Originally by: Gnulpie
I am just curious to see what CCP will do when BoB tries to attack a goon system and the goons stuff around 700 defenders into that system.
Will they deny BoB access to that system, telling them that it is already full? Or will they just let the node crash so that it is free again and BoB can enter and the goons inside the system cannot log in because of the screwed priorities?
Mark my words and don't forget them when it comes to that situation.
crash the node, they let it happen to lv.....
But they didn't let it happen to BOB....
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Hast
Refused.
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Posted - 2007.04.01 11:41:00 -
[1152]
Originally by: Xendie
Edited by: Xendie on 01/04/2007 08:46:02
Originally by: Tod Klemp
Isnt you main, Malken, permabanned?
that is my other character and that account is not permabanned in the game just on the forums
and fyi... ive had this character longer then that one so this would be my main so to speak.
you are aware that evading the ban by posting on a different character isnt exactly allowed?
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.04.01 12:03:00 -
[1153]
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Xendie
Edited by: Xendie on 01/04/2007 08:46:02
Originally by: Tod Klemp
Isnt you main, Malken, permabanned?
that is my other character and that account is not permabanned in the game just on the forums
and fyi... ive had this character longer then that one so this would be my main so to speak.
you are aware that evading the ban by posting on a different character isnt exactly allowed?
you know you really shouldnt be discussing moderation on the forums as it can earn you a ban.
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Hast
Refused.
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Posted - 2007.04.01 12:17:00 -
[1154]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Xendie
Edited by: Xendie on 01/04/2007 08:46:02
Originally by: Tod Klemp
Isnt you main, Malken, permabanned?
that is my other character and that account is not permabanned in the game just on the forums
and fyi... ive had this character longer then that one so this would be my main so to speak.
you are aware that evading the ban by posting on a different character isnt exactly allowed?
you know you really shouldnt be discussing moderation on the forums as it can earn you a ban.
yeah, I mailed the mods instead
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Fuglife
Huff Technologies
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.01 12:26:00 -
[1155]
The character got banned not the individual playing the game.
Typical atuk , cant win anything in game vs celes so have to play dirty.
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