Why not? The number of people that Concord kill has a direct relationship with how much suicide ganking is going on. They kill all of the active aggressors involved in a suicide gank, and those kills are recorded.

The suicide ganking figures are probably lower than the graph suggests, a percentage of the people that Concord kill are people making silly mistakes.

Citation needed for alphas getting wiped out in herds.

That is irrelevant to the graph, it doesn't display that data, and Baltec1 isn't making any sort of claim about player numbers, he is saying that suicide ganking has been trending down for a while and that the 6 month rolling average of Concord kills has hit an historic low suggests that his claim is true.

If you want to add PCU numbers to it, the data is freely available via Eve-offline.net. Go for it.

It records a statistic over a time period, and that statistic has a relationship with suicide ganking. The fact that the 6 month rolling average is considerably lower than it was 4 years ago is a trend, a downwards one that demonstrates Concord are killing less people than they did 4 years ago, which suggests that there are less suicide ganks happening now than there were then.

One thing that is obvious on the graph is Burn X events, massive spikes of Concord kills and a sizeable bump in the 6 month average.

What does that graph represent, in terms of data recorded?
What do you think that the data plotted shows?
Is there a relationship between how many people Concord kill, how many people are actively participating in suicide ganking, and how much of it they are doing?
If not, why not?

The graph is meaningless in understanding how ganking has been trending in EVE. There are a number of factors that go into making those numbers what they are. The simple fact that you dont understand that a decrease in players on the sever since 2013 would very-likely also cause a decrease in CONCORD kill numbers shows that you dont know how to analyze data properly. If server numbers and CONCORD kills decrease at the same rate over the years, it is actually very likely that ganking numbers are remaining constant or roughly the same.

I have listened to other people's stances and updated the OP to take into consideration those who have made fair points. If you would like to contribute something meaningful that improves the OP then by all mean I am happy to discuss those things with you.

What i'm not going to do is junk my thread by running off on a tangent that has no intention of constructively improving the OP. CCP's forum rules are clear in stating that threads should remain as clean and polished as possible.

You have yet to tell us why this nerf is needed.

Hard to be a "badass" when your idea causes me to die like a (female dog) the moment I jump into highsec.

If I have to repair my sec status after every gank/every X ganks, that takes time away from ganking, and I only have so much time to play. Ergo, I am forced to gank less. It's also balanced. The gankers ARE the risk, and they wouldn't get nearly as much reward if people didn't autopilot 10bil freighters through known gank systems.

Really?
So you just admited that you are fine that you can do a lot of ganks "because you are short for a gameplay time" and don't give a **** about players which u ganged and have to work out their 10 b cargo and ship by itself ? BECAUSE if the thing would be ballanced then you will loose your fun?

WTF is wrong with you people?!

You know people can already nearly eliminate their gameplay by not carrying 10B in cargo and simply using a Webber.

No changes are needed except the behaviour of people.

And why you force them to change their behaviour? Because you wan't? You can? or what?

WTF really? and where have you been from the last xxx of pages?

And why you force them to change their behaviour? Because you wan't? You can? or what?

OK we already know that yours (as ganger) only argument against ideas in this thread are:

"Cause we like it like it is"

and

"Pilots (which can't run away from a gang) are just an idiots if they fly with 10b of cargo"
Well even a webber won' safe them but fck it! who cares about them? We still want to have a fun;

Fck that "risk vs rewards" system;
We still want a REWARD with no risk! (i still blame that freighter pilots as it theirs fualt.

(ironic off);
Damn... wood....wood is everywhere..

OK we already know that yours (as ganger) only argument against ideas in this thread are:

"Cause we like it like it is"

and

"Pilots (which can't run away from a gang) are just an idiots if they fly with 10b of cargo"
Well even a webber won' safe them but fck it! who cares about them? We still want to have a fun;

Fck that "risk vs rewards" system;
We still want a REWARD with no risk! (i still blame that freighter pilots as it theirs fualt.

(ironic off);
Damn... wood....wood is everywhere..

The graph is meaningless in understanding how ganking has been trending in EVE. There are a number of factors that go into making those numbers what they are. The simple fact that you dont understand that a decrease in players on the sever since 2013 would very-likely also cause a decrease in CONCORD kill numbers shows that you dont know how to analyze data properly. If server numbers and CONCORD kills decrease at the same rate over the years, it is actually very likely that ganking numbers are remaining constant or roughly the same.

I have listened to other people's stances and updated the OP to take into consideration those who have made fair points. If you would like to contribute something meaningful that improves the OP then by all mean I am happy to discuss those things with you.

What i'm not going to do is junk my thread by running off on a tangent that has no intention of constructively improving the OP. CCP's forum rules are clear in stating that threads should remain as clean and polished as possible.

More a case of not wanting yet more content removed from the game for no reason.

Mate, you're the ganker here, not me.

I've never ganked anyone in the game, ever. I play in null and low for my pvp, but that's just my preference, not any better than anyone else's choice of where and how they want to pvp. They are all totally fine choices.

I do however web my own industry/freighter alt through highsec and it provides near perfect safety.

The mechanics are fine. It just takes a bit of personal responsibility.

No reason? We gave u already a LOT of reasons;

Which are?

It won't be easy for you so go figure it out by yourself - page by page :)

So you don't have one.

You should get it more like "there is many and you are too lazy to check it out by yourself"
So im not gonna make it a sweat for you;

Really?
So you just admited that you are fine that you can do a lot of ganks "because you are short for a gameplay time" and don't give a **** about players which u ganged and have to work out their 10 b cargo and ship by itself ? BECAUSE if the thing would be ballanced then you will loose your fun?

WTF is wrong with you people?!

Trying to get an answer to my question.

I has been answered several times that it's not a nerf, but a balance.

You haven't even explained why it's is a nerf other than saying 'boohoo, it will be more work to gank the more you do it'.

Not only that, criminals who are in high sec breaking the rules are SUPPOSED to work way harder to break the rules over what the law abiding players in high sec do.

No one is forced to do anything.

It's their choice; and choices have consequences.

If they want to take the extra risk and get ganked, like you ganked that badger in the past, then more fool them.

Totally voluntary to expose themselves to that much risk.

No matter how many times you say this it will never be true. Asking to lock people out of highsec is a big nerf.


3 times I highlighhted the part that makes it a nerf. Again, having the faction navies scram and web you the instant you enter highsec is a nerf.


They already do.

We are all still waiting on you telling us why this massive nerf is required.

No matter how many times you say this it will never be true. Asking to lock people out of highsec is a big nerf.

3 times I highlighhted the part that makes it a nerf. Again, having the faction navies scram and web you the instant you enter highsec is a nerf.

They already do.

We are all still waiting on you telling us why this massive nerf is required.

You know people can already nearly eliminate their gameplay by not carrying 10B in cargo and simply using a Webber.

No changes are needed except the behaviour of people.