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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.05 05:27:00 -
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Everyone crying about Titans are the people who don't have them. Seriously, quit your crying and learn to play.
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Wraithborn
Gallente Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.05 05:51:00 -
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PLEASE for the love of Anything Lock Thread its a pointless flame fest
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prothuskus
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.05 06:17:00 -
[243]
All this talk of DD devices reminded me of something...
When will stealth bombers be given the nukes they so need! Give it the niche it's name represents mwahaha |
Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.05 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: VonKaplanek III Pick your poison:
*Blob warfare, which we know servers cant handle several hundred vs several hundred
OR
*Titans, that force people to not use Blob warfare.
I think CCP likes Titans cause they know that Blob warfare simply cant happen between big groups with the technology of Eve and single shard. Its a fact that servers cant handle it.
SO, do you want to have lag death or Titan death?
Ending blob warefare is like not allowing warfare. We have alliances with 100's of pilots, when we fight a war are we going to send 10 guys out and the rest of us cheer for him? Blob warfare is not something that can be changed.
Titans firing a doomsday weapon with impunity can be changed. If a titan was stuck in system after firing it's weapon for 5 min there would be a risk that your enemy has a fleet of 20 capital ships and a good probe pilot can find you, cyno in and kill you all in 5 min. All we need is some means of taking out a super cap without exploits.
If on the magor fleet ops there were dreads ready to smack the titan if it fired on your fleet titan pilots would not fire during the major ops anymore (unless they knew they could get out in one piece).
-Bart
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Rasterman Ganja
Minmatar GanjaCorp Security Services
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Posted - 2007.05.05 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Rasterman Ganja on 05/05/2007 10:01:27 Wanna stop the Titan? Here's how. Every time the Titan comes onto the field, the opposition leaves the field, period. And you come to CAOD and post in the "Glorious Victory of S0-WH4T" thread "We left the field because we're not fighting against Titans until they're resonably vulnerable".
And then you do it again. And if the Titan shows up again, you leave again. And post again. Until there's 1 system in the entire game left that McBoB has to conquer, and when they show up there, you leave the field again. At this point, the game is over. BoB has nothing to do, they get bored, and leave. Or, everyone else has gotten bored, and left. But long before that, by the time it starts hitting CCP in the wallet, trust me, something will have been done.
Do any of you have the discipline to simply not fight against the Titans? After BoB has left from boredom, the universe will be yours to populate however you wish. Show your will is stronger than theirs, and stronger than CCP -- don't participate in fights involving the Titans.
Amazingly, this works on a lot of other levels too -- don't play the POS-spamming game if you want it fixed. When people refuse to contest SOV, CCP will have to figure out something to stop the stagnation. Don't take the field against ridiculous blobs. CCP will have to do something to stop it.
They're not going to let the game get flushed by an overpowered mechanic, especially if people simply refuse to use or fight against that mechanic. As the most extreme counter, don't play 0.0 games. Then none of this matters. When CCP has literally 50 jumps of unpopulated territory in any direction in 0.0, they'll have to hatch a way to get people to go out there.
It's amazing what you can make people do when you simply refuse to play their way. When it reaches a critical mass of people, it has to be fixed or the entire enterprise is in danger. Do you have the discipline to force them to change?
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other mickey
Gallente Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.05 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: other mickey on 05/05/2007 10:17:41 Edited by: other mickey on 05/05/2007 10:16:55 I love how the Bob Pets allies defend titans so fiercely. This isn't a moan that Bob has titans, so get over it. It's a complaint that there's no longer a place for any ship smaller than a cap ship in fleet battles. This is now cap-ship-Online.
The only thing stopping an alliance from getting a Titan is time (skill training) and ISK. So basically, the way to win eve is to accumulate the oldest chars in the game into one place and make sure you have more isk than anyone else.
You cannot win tactically against an alliance with more SP and more ISK. And this is wrong. This is where the biggest imbalance lies. And if CCP want this game to grow, they need to remove this imbalance, otherwise new players will simply quit when they realise that they will never stand a chance against all the higher SP alliances.
Big expensive ships should not be overpowered AND invincible. One or the other, but not both!
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Hestia Chantico
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.05 10:46:00 -
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First it was POS's that spoiled the game play, then CCP created capitals to kill POS's. The warfare was still kinda **** but it improved.
Then CCP Created Titan's/MS to kill and move fleets or provide backup. This showed that the Alliance/Person that are the richest rule the game, numbers don't matter, tactical moves don't matter (at least the change for success is so small).
I could survive the POS crap but this time I'm not gonne wait and play till CCP fixes this ****, i'll just stay off-line (or sit in a station chatting to mates) and train chars till I read a dev blog which actual makes a change.
The richer alliances should have a benefit but the difference is so huge that it spoils the gameplay for both sides. If it continues it will only get worse. CCP made a great game but I really wonder if they can keep it under control without losing customers at this point. I've never seen/heared so many nagativity about new ships since capitals, and it's gotten worse at every launch.
Ah well, Maybe I'm just getting old . Like a lot of the players I've playing with for years
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Altair Mogwa
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.05.05 12:30:00 -
[248]
CCP could always just shift the ladder. New charcter starts in bs, add ships above titans.
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Ravysa Delorean
Amarr Torro Negro Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.05 13:15:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Dylan Rhade Edited by: Dylan Rhade on 05/05/2007 05:08:55 Right this is where EvE will go if Titans get the nerf, Blob warfare will become the new PvP killer, as it has no viable counter.
BLA BLA BLA
*Grow.The.F***.Up*
Build your own titan, ffs.
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Sniser
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.05 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sniser on 05/05/2007 13:45:07 Edited by: Sniser on 05/05/2007 13:44:48 Solution is so easy i cant understand why ccp didnt though it.
if a doomsday do around 60.000 dmg every hour we do 60.000 / 60 = 1000 so we have now 1000 dmg every minute. Now we multiply the timer by 2 because its ranged and is aoe dmg and we have 1000 dmg every 2 minutes. Add to the shoot a velocity explosion, so fast ships will get less damage and its done.
2 min are plenty of time to bs and supports can position around the battlefield with a mwd. We sudenttly destroyed the bubble of death. Since people have the option to move around the field.
Now you make dictor bubbles invunerable to aoe hits and force a titan to be on the field.
We just only cut their dps by half but they are a lot more usable. Also the discourage the circle of death and everyone have chance to play.
Even with many titans on field once you are positioned not all shots would hit you
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.05 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 05/05/2007 13:40:37
Originally by: Hestia Chantico Ah well, Maybe I'm just getting old . Like a lot of the players I've playing with for years
If they were at least fun to fly, cap ships online could be interesting.
But right now, cap ship combat is pretty much: - sink lots of isk into faction gear - get as many cap ships into jump range of target as possible - make sure/hope that enemies have less or less expensively fitted cap ships in jump range of said target - right-click, jump to cyno - activate siege mode - hope that you get less lag than your opponent
Siege mode largely removed much of the tactical maneuvering during engagements that made fleet combat interesting and often allowed tactically superior fleets to beat larger ones, the only maneuvering possible during cap engagements is pretty much: - determine the range and relative siege mode time when engaging initially - when to fire DDs - let carriers remote-rep each other
But the effect of all of these is far lower than simply.. how much isk you spend on cap ships and their fitting.
And as long as Titans remain as they are and make other cap ships they fly with nearly invulnerable against smaller ships, the trend will continue.
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Talen Reaper
AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.05.05 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: 0August0 Blobs exist because the objectives in Eve warfare are just too limited. There is no reason to spread out ones forces if control of just a handful of systems will determine victory or defeat in a war.
Therefore I think the simplest solution to blob warfare is to put a conquerable station (or more) in every 0.0 system, and remove choke points by adding jump gates in every system to every system adjacient to it.
If CCP were to do those two things I believe it would force opposing sides to spread their forces out over an entire region(s) both on offense and defense thus limiting the effectiveness and need for blobs.
this is a great idea ...make it like a treasure hunt ....say ya need to wack captain mob boss & his huge fleet to gain sovereignty that actually might be fun
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.05 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dylan Rhade AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH D
What the hell dude?
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Nomme
Mugen Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.05.05 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Havras
Originally by: Nomme Mabye a new Sapper class of ship could be introduced,something like a v.heavy dictor based off a command ship hull. Something with high enough resists that can survive a D.D blast enough to hold the Titan in place and drop a capital class dictor bubble. The dictor bubble would be much smaller in area effect than a standard one,so you would have to get up close and personal with the Titan to sack it.
What good would this do, exactly? A smaller radius dictor bubble would be more easily smart bombed and or DD'd(along with the hostile fleet) once the titan killing fleet showed up.
You would have to make a bubble that was impervious to AoE damage to make it worth anything.
It would allow players to actively hunt and dictate the pin down of a Titan. Yes it could be smartbombed,which is a good thing,but taking this further you could have racial resists to the Bubble given by the Ship Class Racial Type,with durability tied to the Ship Skill 1-5 (5 having +70 resist)
Yes it could be DD,but my initial point is that the Sapper Class is made to survive a DD blast and bully its way to its target to drop its payload,(at the expense of highslots and damage output.
A Titan is a very specific type of ship,as in all warfafe an equally specific type of ship should evolve to tackle it,just as we eventually received the Interdictor class.
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Brother Theos
Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.05 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Brother Theos on 05/05/2007 14:54:43 My suggestions -
Remove the ability to remote fire a DD Remove the 15 sec wait between the graphic and the boom (so DD works like smartbomb) Introduce a Capital Class Scram or NOS that only fit on Carrier, Dread, MS or Titan Give Titans more firepower with their non-DD weapons (eg triple ROF of Capital guns, ability to deploy fighters)
These changes make Titans killable and encourage the use of them on the front line.
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Farham
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.05 15:02:00 -
[256]
Watching Shrike this morning ramming his titan into our POSes over and over to knock ships out of the shields sure made me feel all warm and fuzzy towards the point of Titans in game.
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britishfish
Minmatar Mercenaries of Andosia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.05 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: prothuskus All this talk of DD devices reminded me of something...
When will stealth bombers be given the nukes they so need! Give it the niche it's name represents mwahaha
nukes small yeild yarrr theres the best post in this thread right there you win
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Michael Witman
Amarr Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.05 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Farham
Watching Shrike this morning ramming his titan into our POSes over and over to knock ships out of the shields sure made me feel all warm and fuzzy towards the point of Titans in game.
LOL Chowdown is doing the same in C4C... bastard nearly bumped me out of the FF ;) And no, this not an exploit ;) This is new style of playing...
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Torm Ilmater
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.05.05 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Witman
Originally by: Farham
Watching Shrike this morning ramming his titan into our POSes over and over to knock ships out of the shields sure made me feel all warm and fuzzy towards the point of Titans in game.
LOL Chowdown is doing the same in C4C... bastard nearly bumped me out of the FF ;) And no, this not an exploit ;) This is new style of playing...
The following exploits were addressed in the Revelations 1.3 Patch Deployment:
* It is no longer possible to steal from a Starbase using a Carrier / Mothership / Titan.
Certainly doesn't sound like an exploit to me.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.05 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Torm Ilmater
The following exploits were addressed in the Revelations 1.3 Patch Deployment:
* It is no longer possible to steal from a Starbase using a Carrier / Mothership / Titan.
I believe this refers to scooping ships into your ship maintenance array, so it has nothing whatsoever to do with bumping.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.05 15:57:00 -
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If one of u punks can actually get a titan kill ( online titan ) alot more would be clear at least for the future. It dint half require a blob of death to get a live mother down.( a pirrty undefended mum at that, with no friendly repping it)..
A titan kill..... its a kill alomst every pvper in the game would like to see, how u do it withought a blob of some eveilness I dont know. It was a hard call when ccp asked ur one thing u would like done, I had faith they would get the buble thing sorted and my request was an anti titan weapon. Even if u left the titan exactly as it is but introduced some capitol nos/ scrambling ship for such occasions. I dont like it when things get away. Either way we will all learn a great deal when the first one gets popped online, ccp included.
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elohllird
Gallente Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.05.05 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dylan Rhade Edited by: Dylan Rhade on 05/05/2007 05:08:55 Right this is where EvE will go if Titans get the nerf, Blob warfare will become the new PvP killer, as it has no viable counter.
JV1V proved that the only way to defeat titans is to gather a fleet on the scale of a nodecrash number, to negate it.
You nerf titans, u allow Goonswarm to run unchecked, do you really really want that on your conscience?
Also, this thread is pathetic, let me tell you why
"2 gangs of kids right for a spot to make a den, both gangs have the same numbers. 1 gang (bad guys) have to defeat another gang first (their parents) to let them out to fight the fight. gang 1 (the good guys) use this time wisely to find sticks and stones to break the other gangs bones.
Gang 2 turns upto the fight and see that gang 1 has BIG sticks, big big sticks.
So gang 2 goes running home to tell their mummies and daddies that gang 1 is cheating because they have big sticks, gang 2 gets more people to help them, and goes and gets big sticks of its own.
Gang 2 goes back to fight, they see only 1 person there with a big stick, "lets get him the leader shouts"
Gang 2 runs towards the gang 1 member, as they draw closer, they see the rest of gang one in the distance holding bows and arrows.
Gang 2 once again runs home, and complains to their parents that gang 1 is cheating and that they have used there brains to give them a better advantage.
Gang 2 watches discovery channel and makes there own bows and arrows.
Gang 2 sneak out at night and lie in wait for gang 1 to show up.
Gang 1 shows up, but lo and behold, yet again, gang 1 have used the time wasted by gang 2 to copy gang 1 by advancing even further.
Gang 1 turns up all driving cars with bits of metal covering them and guns poking out of holes.
Gang 2 make another hasty retreat, and spend time copying gang 1 and getting themselves upto there level.
Gang 2 turns up to the site again i cars with guns and metal armour.
Gang 1 turns up in tanks and apache's
Gang 2 flee's again.
Gang 2 get a lucky break and the market goes haywire, gang 2 spend all there piggybank money on more territory to mine resources and more tanks and apaches, this time theyve caught up quicker.
Gang 2 turn up in their motorised armour.
Gang 1 is nowhere to be seen. The leader of gang 2 plants their flag in the ground.
A shadow appears.
Gang 1 returns in a fleet of stardestoyers, the startship enterprise, borg cubes, and 3 - 4 death stars.
Upon seeing this, gang 2 runs home all crying, tells their parents that gang 1 is cheating by being superior in tactics and technology.
Gang 2's parents complain to gang 1's parents, gang 1's parents bow to the pressue and take all of the advantages that allowed them to survive the superior numbers.
Gang 2 uses the fact they hve superior numbers to overrun many of gang 1's holdings saying its a fair fight."
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The Coalition(s) advantage of superior numbers is hampered by the only advatntage BoB has, its ability to make ****loads of Titans, now the Coaliton(s) want this advantage removed because it stops the numbers being able to blob anything they so desire, all because BoB were able to make such an income that they can make these floating behemoths.
These 4 words i have for the Coalition(s)
*Grow.The.F***.Up*
D
Pure class mate, Spot on
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.05 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 05/05/2007 13:40:37
Originally by: Hestia Chantico Ah well, Maybe I'm just getting old . Like a lot of the players I've playing with for years
If they were at least fun to fly, cap ships online could be interesting.
But right now, cap ship combat is pretty much: - sink lots of isk into faction gear - get as many cap ships into jump range of target as possible - make sure/hope that enemies have less or less expensively fitted cap ships in jump range of said target - right-click, jump to cyno - activate siege mode - hope that you get less lag than your opponent
Siege mode largely removed much of the tactical maneuvering during engagements that made fleet combat interesting and often allowed tactically superior fleets to beat larger ones, the only maneuvering possible during cap engagements is pretty much: - determine the range and relative siege mode time when engaging initially - when to fire DDs - let carriers remote-rep each other
But the effect of all of these is far lower than simply.. how much isk you spend on cap ships and their fitting.
And as long as Titans remain as they are and make other cap ships they fly with nearly invulnerable against smaller ships, the trend will continue.
If it moves faster than 90 m/s, it's not allowed to play EvE-Online. Duh.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.05 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ravysa Delorean
Originally by: Dylan Rhade Edited by: Dylan Rhade on 05/05/2007 05:08:55 Right this is where EvE will go if Titans get the nerf, Blob warfare will become the new PvP killer, as it has no viable counter.
BLA BLA BLA
*Grow.The.F***.Up*
Build your own titan, ffs.
Its not really possible/practical.
Very, very, few entities in the game are capable of putting up and holding a cap shipyard and no-one is capable if bob find out about and decide its going down.
Who is going to risk that kind of investment? Pretty much no-one.
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Logan Williams
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.05 16:52:00 -
[265]
The only way I could condone Titans requiring upkeep is if all of the old ones were grandfathered into not needing it. While I don't like BoB I don't think their ambition to build 4 (5?) titans should be rewarded with a sudden feature that suddenly makes them a liability. Maybe make them only half upkeep. A way to balance that, all in one direction or the other would still make it unfair.
Either way, the titan, as I've stated already, isn't the only problem with ships or pvp. I won't go into full whine again about how I think too many ships are obsolete now but, you get the drift.
CCP has made every effort to fix things. I don't blame them for trying.
POS invented to eliminate some of the conquerable ping-pong. Result: Even more blob warfare to try to cover dreads and eliminate enemy POS. POS upkeep required, neighborhood of 250 mil/month/pos.
Invention invented to try to reduce the price of T2. Drone regions introduced as mineral rich havens to help reduce the cost of overall ships. New ship classes introduced so game dosn't get stale. Result: T2 prices drop, the more skilled players can afford even MORE T2 ships to kill their less skilled adversaries. T2 ships don't see a huge price drop, the "less skilled adversaries" can still only afford the same number of T1 crap to throw away at enemies who have more T2 stuff. Game becomes even more skill intensive, lower SP players getting distraught over the differences. Some ship classes are overbalanced, enter tier 2 BC. (while this is an exception to the T2 vs. T1 whine I did earlier, we've established that adversaries can buy more T2 anyway....) Alliances depending on "residents" as a source of isk are now running poor, mineral prices too depressed to really be worth a source of income. (this one actually goes against BoB but, ANYTHING affecting one group more so than another should be disputed)
Before alot of this......Missions changed to reduce rewards for non 0.0 players Result: more people in 0.0. More wanting a secure home. Larger scale fleet battles. More lag.
CCP, just STOP. Leave game development to us and Oveur for awhile. Let's clean up some of the lag while fixing some of the inherent inbalances and maybe....just maybe sometime next year, add a little new content.
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Blood Thorn
Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.05 19:12:00 -
[266]
To follow up in this thread where I posted the following in a different thread:
Quote: It also really touches on the other thread regarding Titans and Motherships being out of balanced with the game. I can understand CCP's reluctance to swing the nerf bat at such an expensive investment, but 'Supercap Bowling' would not be an issue if Titans and MSs were immune to being scrambled/webbed.
Instead, if they had an automatic 'Strength 10 or 20' warp core stabilzer, or if because of their size a webifier was only partialy effective, then this type of action would have a possible consequence. The ship may be able to tank the POS, but it would also be tied up for a bit, which would make it vulnerable to being attacked by Dreads, etc.quote] ----- Let the galaxy burn |
Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.05 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 05/05/2007 19:31:58 Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 05/05/2007 19:30:45
Originally by: elohllird
Originally by: Dylan Rhade Long winded, barely on topic post
*Grow.The.F***.Up*
D
Pure class mate, Spot on
So your argument is Titans are there as a leveler against superior numbers? BoB are bigger than my 1 man alt corp. Where's my leveler?
Your argument falls appart if your opponent is anyone other than Goonswarm. BoB are the second/third(?) biggest alliance at the momment. Using 'Blobbing' as an example of why Titans aren't completly broken is utterly retarded.
At the momment I think Ev0ke are the smallest alliance with a Titan and the concept is still broke. All it allows them to do is field the same number they would otherwise, but with an i-win button.
Edit:
Originally by: elohllird Blob warfare will become the new PvP killer, as it has no viable counter.
Right, because 0.0 up until now hasn't been blob warefare?
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.05.05 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Everyone crying about Titans are the people who don't have them. Seriously, quit your crying and learn to play.
The opposite is true. The ones currently praising Titans as the end of Blob warfare are the ones currently benefiting from being on the side with multiple titans available. Perhaps if you were on the other side of the coin you might understand better.
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SaIIy
Minmatar X1 Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.05 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Havras
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Everyone crying about Titans are the people who don't have them. Seriously, quit your crying and learn to play.
The opposite is true. The ones currently praising Titans as the end of Blob warfare are the ones currently benefiting from being on the side with multiple titans available. Perhaps if you were on the other side of the coin you might understand better.
What I don't understand is this - Eve is the same game for all of us, why don't all the whingers and whiners in this thread just build their own Titans and level the playing field against BoB? Seriously, if you guys put as much effort into the game (to build your own Titans) as you do whining on this forum you might actually achieve something worth shouting about.
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Drag Queen
Caldari The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.05.05 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: SaIIy What I don't understand is this - Eve is the same game for all of us, why don't all the whingers and whiners in this thread just build their own Titans and level the playing field against BoB? Seriously, if you guys put as much effort into the game (to build your own Titans) as you do whining on this forum you might actually achieve something worth shouting about.
Quoted for truth!!
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