Originally by: Dark Shikari

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They're like tribbles!

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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They're like tribbles!

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They call me Hutch. I have forgotten why

Originally by: Lady Ghoulia

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hutch derails :/

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Lady Ghoulia

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hutch derails :/

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Mission accomplished!

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They call me Hutch. I have forgotten why

Originally by: Gungankllr

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I can't blame BoB for working hard and focusing their assets into big-ticket items such as titans.

That being said, the Titan is both an amazing tactical tool and the end to decent 0.0 warfare.

I've always thought the doomsday was pretty cool, but after I got over the novelty factor it really does create a conundrum for the average Eve player.

While it takes a while to wind up, unless specifically set up to tank a specific DD, any fleet that isn't a cap fleet gets wasted by a DD, let alone 5.

Add to that the fact that normal warfare methods don't work with Supercapitals. Bubbles get popped by Smartbombs, or by the DD itself.

If this is the road that CCP wants to go down, within six months we are going to see the virtual end to fleet combat in Battleships and below, Fleet battles will likely be performed in Dreads, Carriers, Motherships and Titans.

I know the probable answer is "Boohoo, get more titans", but I think that there needs to be some sort of achilles heel attached to Titans in general, which makes them less of a pwnmobile.

For instance, make activating a DD like lighting off a cyno, no jumping or warping for 10 minutes.

I think that in itself will make people think very carefully about how they employ their Titan, and enable an enemy force to extract a little retribution from their attacker.

I do understand that a Titan is a massive investment, and with such an investment there should be a huge return.

The jump bridge and the DD are that return, but for the good of the future of this game some changes need to be made before things get even more out of hand.

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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I can't blame BoB for working hard and focusing their assets into big-ticket items such as titans.

That being said, the Titan is both an amazing tactical tool and the end to decent 0.0 warfare.

I've always thought the doomsday was pretty cool, but after I got over the novelty factor it really does create a conundrum for the average Eve player.

While it takes a while to wind up, unless specifically set up to tank a specific DD, any fleet that isn't a cap fleet gets wasted by a DD, let alone 5.

Add to that the fact that normal warfare methods don't work with Supercapitals. Bubbles get popped by Smartbombs, or by the DD itself.

If this is the road that CCP wants to go down, within six months we are going to see the virtual end to fleet combat in Battleships and below, Fleet battles will likely be performed in Dreads, Carriers, Motherships and Titans.

I know the probable answer is "Boohoo, get more titans", but I think that there needs to be some sort of achilles heel attached to Titans in general, which makes them less of a pwnmobile.

For instance, make activating a DD like lighting off a cyno, no jumping or warping for 10 minutes.

I think that in itself will make people think very carefully about how they employ their Titan, and enable an enemy force to extract a little retribution from their attacker.

I do understand that a Titan is a massive investment, and with such an investment there should be a huge return.

The jump bridge and the DD are that return, but for the good of the future of this game some changes need to be made before things get even more out of hand.

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Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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They're like tribbles!

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Must resist posting off topic stuff about tribbles.... but so hard not too....

tribble goodness

anyways now thats outof my system lets try and keep this on topic please

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Originally by: R0ot

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In my opinion (and thats all it is btw) the titans create a better 0.0 environment due to the fact that the winner of a battle is not necessarily who can flood a system with more people than the other. My questions to the people that think its unfair that bob now has (well maybe) 5 titans is, why didn't you stop them? Why don't you build you own? Why the hell is an alt posting this damn topic again? And finally, OMG Who said tribbles!?

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Originally by: Lady Ghoulia

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Rumour mill states that a fifth Titan is now in space as part of the ever-growing BoB supercap fleet

confirm / deny / flame :(

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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And then in a year bob alliance will have 20 titans, mc will have 10, AAA will have 5 etc.

You'll jump into someone's space to find a fight and the first ship you see drops a cyno and you get DD'ed.

Fleet fights will just be who DD's the other fleet first... Oh no wait, fleet fights are like that ALREADY.

I'm sure by then our devs will have slapped themselves on the forehead and realized that they've ruined Eve.


Titans = SWG's Jedis anyone?


Thankfully pirates of the burning sea has kinda open pvp, maybe they'll even have a joining offer for "eve refugees" when Eve has been sufficiently ruined by everyone having titans.

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Originally by: R0ot

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why didn't you stop them?

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Originally by: R0ot

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Why don't you build you own?

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Originally by: Sergio Ling

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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And then in a year bob alliance will have 20 titans, mc will have 10, AAA will have 5 etc.

You'll jump into someone's space to find a fight and the first ship you see drops a cyno and you get DD'ed.

Fleet fights will just be who DD's the other fleet first... Oh no wait, fleet fights are like that ALREADY.

I'm sure by then our devs will have slapped themselves on the forehead and realized that they've ruined Eve.


Titans = SWG's Jedis anyone?


Thankfully pirates of the burning sea has kinda open pvp, maybe they'll even have a joining offer for "eve refugees" when Eve has been sufficiently ruined by everyone having titans.

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you should lead by example and not log on again. the world of EVE would be a slightly better, far less boring place without you

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Originally by: Sergio Ling

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you should lead by example and not log on again. the world of EVE would be a slightly better, far less boring place without you

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1. Login to Eve


2. Form a fleet, wait 2 hours, sit at gate


3. Jump in, loose ship to lag/doomsday device

Originally by: Gungankllr

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I can't blame BoB for working hard and focusing their assets into big-ticket items such as titans.

That being said, the Titan is both an amazing tactical tool and the end to decent 0.0 warfare.

I've always thought the doomsday was pretty cool, but after I got over the novelty factor it really does create a conundrum for the average Eve player.

While it takes a while to wind up, unless specifically set up to tank a specific DD, any fleet that isn't a cap fleet gets wasted by a DD, let alone 5.

Add to that the fact that normal warfare methods don't work with Supercapitals. Bubbles get popped by Smartbombs, or by the DD itself.

If this is the road that CCP wants to go down, within six months we are going to see the virtual end to fleet combat in Battleships and below, Fleet battles will likely be performed in Dreads, Carriers, Motherships and Titans.

I know the probable answer is "Boohoo, get more titans", but I think that there needs to be some sort of achilles heel attached to Titans in general, which makes them less of a pwnmobile.

For instance, make activating a DD like lighting off a cyno, no jumping or warping for 10 minutes.

I think that in itself will make people think very carefully about how they employ their Titan, and enable an enemy force to extract a little retribution from their attacker.

I do understand that a Titan is a massive investment, and with such an investment there should be a huge return.

The jump bridge and the DD are that return, but for the good of the future of this game some changes need to be made before things get even more out of hand.

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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I can't blame BoB for working hard and focusing their assets into big-ticket items such as titans.

That being said, the Titan is both an amazing tactical tool and the end to decent 0.0 warfare.

I've always thought the doomsday was pretty cool, but after I got over the novelty factor it really does create a conundrum for the average Eve player.

While it takes a while to wind up, unless specifically set up to tank a specific DD, any fleet that isn't a cap fleet gets wasted by a DD, let alone 5.

Add to that the fact that normal warfare methods don't work with Supercapitals. Bubbles get popped by Smartbombs, or by the DD itself.

If this is the road that CCP wants to go down, within six months we are going to see the virtual end to fleet combat in Battleships and below, Fleet battles will likely be performed in Dreads, Carriers, Motherships and Titans.

I know the probable answer is "Boohoo, get more titans", but I think that there needs to be some sort of achilles heel attached to Titans in general, which makes them less of a pwnmobile.

For instance, make activating a DD like lighting off a cyno, no jumping or warping for 10 minutes.

I think that in itself will make people think very carefully about how they employ their Titan, and enable an enemy force to extract a little retribution from their attacker.

I do understand that a Titan is a massive investment, and with such an investment there should be a huge return.

The jump bridge and the DD are that return, but for the good of the future of this game some changes need to be made before things get even more out of hand.

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Originally by: R0ot

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In my opinion (and thats all it is btw) the titans create a better 0.0 environment due to the fact that the winner of a battle is not necessarily who can flood a system with more people than the other.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Maybe if you behave well and fulfill the "overweight & has an office job" requirement, they will let you fly one of their 20 titans in 1 year.

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Maybe if you behave well and fulfill the "overweight & has an office job" requirement, they will let you fly one of their 20 titans in 1 year.

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Having seen you, you're in no place to talk.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Ps. Post with your main, blacklight.

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Originally by: FireFoxx80

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Someone ran the Math. A Titan, with officer mods and rigs, has enough cap to DD and cyno out instantly. Moreover, it would take something like 84 nos fitted battleships to keep it's cap regen low enough to prevent it from jumping.

Unless of course, you wait for the pilot to log off.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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And then in a year bob alliance will have 20 titans, mc will have 10, AAA will have 5 etc.

You'll jump into someone's space to find a fight and the first ship you see drops a cyno and you get DD'ed.

Fleet fights will just be who DD's the other fleet first... Oh no wait, fleet fights are like that ALREADY.

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Originally by: Zaphood Al'Darion

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Is it just me or have I missed something? You chose to fight the oldest pvp alliance in the whole universum and come here crying that they have bigger toys than you do?

If you are not having fun fighting older/stronger enemy, then why are you doing it?

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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I can't blame BoB for working hard and focusing their assets into big-ticket items such as titans.

That being said, the Titan is both an amazing tactical tool and the end to decent 0.0 warfare.

I've always thought the doomsday was pretty cool, but after I got over the novelty factor it really does create a conundrum for the average Eve player.

While it takes a while to wind up, unless specifically set up to tank a specific DD, any fleet that isn't a cap fleet gets wasted by a DD, let alone 5.

Add to that the fact that normal warfare methods don't work with Supercapitals. Bubbles get popped by Smartbombs, or by the DD itself.

If this is the road that CCP wants to go down, within six months we are going to see the virtual end to fleet combat in Battleships and below, Fleet battles will likely be performed in Dreads, Carriers, Motherships and Titans.

I know the probable answer is "Boohoo, get more titans", but I think that there needs to be some sort of achilles heel attached to Titans in general, which makes them less of a pwnmobile.

For instance, make activating a DD like lighting off a cyno, no jumping or warping for 10 minutes.

I think that in itself will make people think very carefully about how they employ their Titan, and enable an enemy force to extract a little retribution from their attacker.

I do understand that a Titan is a massive investment, and with such an investment there should be a huge return.

The jump bridge and the DD are that return, but for the good of the future of this game some changes need to be made before things get even more out of hand.

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Waits to see how many of the Coalition - Northen Block Titans will be used against BoB if they are ever made more vulnerable.

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Originally by: Zaphood Al'Darion

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Is it just me or have I missed something? You chose to fight the oldest pvp alliance in the whole universum and come here crying that they have bigger toys than you do?

If you are not having fun fighting older/stronger enemy, then why are you doing it?

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Titans = SWG's Jedis anyone?

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Originally by: Benglada

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And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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There is not way anyone can win anything, ever. Even if you add 'no jumping for 10 minutes'.

If any titan is ever in trouble one of the others just jumps in and DD'd whatever is causing the problem. That one misses too? How about the third, fourth, fifth? Oh and its been and hour, the first can DD again.

Even if you made it once per day they would just never use them till they absolutly need it or have your fleet pinned.

DD's are the single most stupid feature ever to make it into Eve. Titans were supposed to be moving stations, not weapons of mass destruction.

CCP you've succesfully broken your game.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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A capital ship fleet can easily kill a titan if the titan is rooted for 10, 20, 30 minutes. This will force whoever owns the titan to keep its own capital fleet within a short distance in case a titan gets attacked. This will vastly limit the range and power projection abilities of their titans.

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Originally by: Lady Ghoulia

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Rumour mill states that a fifth Titan is now in space as part of the ever-growing BoB supercap fleet

confirm / deny / flame :(

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Rise gave bob one to pay off their rent.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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A capital ship fleet can easily kill a titan if the titan is rooted for 10, 20, 30 minutes. This will force whoever owns the titan to keep its own capital fleet within a short distance in case a titan gets attacked. This will vastly limit the range and power projection abilities of their titans.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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And then in a year bob alliance will have 20 titans, mc will have 10, AAA will have 5 etc.

You'll jump into someone's space to find a fight and the first ship you see drops a cyno and you get DD'ed.

Fleet fights will just be who DD's the other fleet first... Oh no wait, fleet fights are like that ALREADY.

I'm sure by then our devs will have slapped themselves on the forehead and realized that they've ruined Eve.


Titans = SWG's Jedis anyone?


Thankfully pirates of the burning sea has kinda open pvp, maybe they'll even have a joining offer for "eve refugees" when Eve has been sufficiently ruined by everyone having titans.

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Originally by: Santiago Cortes

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Please don't derail your own thread.

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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There is not way anyone can win anything, ever. Even if you add 'no jumping for 10 minutes'.

If any titan is ever in trouble one of the others just jumps in and DD'd whatever is causing the problem. That one misses too? How about the third, fourth, fifth? Oh and its been and hour, the first can DD again.

Even if you made it once per day they would just never use them till they absolutly need it or have your fleet pinned.

DD's are the single most stupid feature ever to make it into Eve. Titans were supposed to be moving stations, not weapons of mass destruction.

CCP you've succesfully broken your game.

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Originally by: Fubarski

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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A capital ship fleet can easily kill a titan if the titan is rooted for 10, 20, 30 minutes. This will force whoever owns the titan to keep its own capital fleet within a short distance in case a titan gets attacked. This will vastly limit the range and power projection abilities of their titans.

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All that does is perpetuate the continuous move to caps and supercaps.

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Let me be the first to welcome our new BoB overlords... (wait, didn't I do this in a goony thread the other day...)

Even if BoB built 10 of them, that still doesn't make titans easy or cheap to build. I mean, seriously, the number of components involved, especially if you acutally used haulers to move 'em rather than freighters... that alone's some serious effort.

Motherships and Titans, _are_ difficult, and expensive to build. Cranking them out? Well, I'm impressed. I mean, consider for a moment, what kind of level of income that actually implies?

Titans need a little work still, but they're still not even remotely cost effective.

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Originally by: Wendat Huron

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Let me be the first to welcome our new BoB overlords... (wait, didn't I do this in a goony thread the other day...)

Even if BoB built 10 of them, that still doesn't make titans easy or cheap to build. I mean, seriously, the number of components involved, especially if you acutally used haulers to move 'em rather than freighters... that alone's some serious effort.

Motherships and Titans, _are_ difficult, and expensive to build. Cranking them out? Well, I'm impressed. I mean, consider for a moment, what kind of level of income that actually implies?

Titans need a little work still, but they're still not even remotely cost effective.

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Considering them exploiting the bugged blood raider complexes for quite some time that income is a non-factor.

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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So let me get this strait. ItÆs OK to bring 1K+ people to a system and crash the node, but the only weapon that can counter that (titan) is not OK? Or how about deploying 10 L POSes without any risk whatsoever to take over a system without firing a shot is also OK? Maybe if you are going to whine about titans, you should also whine for the pilot that deploys a POS is in danger for as long as the POS is being deployed and fueled like a cyno field. Maybe that would prevent POS spamming and taking space without fighting for it.

So until POS and Blob warfare is changed, the titan counter is needed imo. All the whiners that donÆt like it, well, can I have your stuff?

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Originally by: NATMav

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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So let me get this strait. ItÆs OK to bring 1K+ people to a system and crash the node, but the only weapon that can counter that (titan) is not OK? Or how about deploying 10 L POSes without any risk whatsoever to take over a system without firing a shot is also OK? Maybe if you are going to whine about titans, you should also whine for the pilot that deploys a POS is in danger for as long as the POS is being deployed and fueled like a cyno field. Maybe that would prevent POS spamming and taking space without fighting for it.

So until POS and Blob warfare is changed, the titan counter is needed imo. All the whiners that donÆt like it, well, can I have your stuff?

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So you think it's okay for one player to have the ability to wipe out those 1000 players with the press of one button? At zero risk?

That sounds like a game I want to play! (as long as I'm the guy with the I-Win button)

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Originally by: Wendat Huron

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Let me be the first to welcome our new BoB overlords... (wait, didn't I do this in a goony thread the other day...)

Even if BoB built 10 of them, that still doesn't make titans easy or cheap to build. I mean, seriously, the number of components involved, especially if you acutally used haulers to move 'em rather than freighters... that alone's some serious effort.

Motherships and Titans, _are_ difficult, and expensive to build. Cranking them out? Well, I'm impressed. I mean, consider for a moment, what kind of level of income that actually implies?

Titans need a little work still, but they're still not even remotely cost effective.

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Considering them exploiting the bugged blood raider complexes for quite some time that income is a non-factor.

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Originally by: Alpine 69

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Hmmm what if doomsday devices would be changed to large Energy shockwaves that would Neutralize the cap of everyone on grid and prevent warp for 30 seconds....

There would be a chance of survival but the titan-owning fleet could warp in and take out quite alot of battleships, but it would not be an insta-solo-pwn mobile anymore.....

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Rollback the hitpoint buff and get rid of the DD. Instead of using the "it kills blobs!" excuse improve the engine or release a new one so the 200 vs 200 (bs + support) fights that everyone really wants are viable.

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 03/05/2007 15:20:38

Originally by: NATMav

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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So let me get this strait. ItÆs OK to bring 1K+ people to a system and crash the node, but the only weapon that can counter that (titan) is not OK? Or how about deploying 10 L POSes without any risk whatsoever to take over a system without firing a shot is also OK? Maybe if you are going to whine about titans, you should also whine for the pilot that deploys a POS is in danger for as long as the POS is being deployed and fueled like a cyno field. Maybe that would prevent POS spamming and taking space without fighting for it.

So until POS and Blob warfare is changed, the titan counter is needed imo. All the whiners that donÆt like it, well, can I have your stuff?

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So you think it's okay for one player to have the ability to wipe out those 1000 players with the press of one button? At zero risk?

That sounds like a game I want to play! (as long as I'm the guy with the I-Win button)

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Well, quite frankly, whatÆs stopping you from building yourself that button? It takes time, safe space and a lot of resources, but anyone can do it if they dedicate themselves, including you. Unlike the effort of POS spamming that I mentiond above.

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Rollback the hitpoint buff and get rid of the DD. Instead of using the "it kills blobs!" excuse improve the engine or release a new one so the 200 vs 200 (bs + support) fights that everyone really wants are viable.

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So you are going to limit coalition from bringing more then 200 to a fight? Cool. You are my hero.

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Originally by: NATMav

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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So let me get this strait. ItÆs OK to bring 1K+ people to a system and crash the node, but the only weapon that can counter that (titan) is not OK? Or how about deploying 10 L POSes without any risk whatsoever to take over a system without firing a shot is also OK? Maybe if you are going to whine about titans, you should also whine for the pilot that deploys a POS is in danger for as long as the POS is being deployed and fueled like a cyno field. Maybe that would prevent POS spamming and taking space without fighting for it.

So until POS and Blob warfare is changed, the titan counter is needed imo. All the whiners that donÆt like it, well, can I have your stuff?

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So you think it's okay for one player to have the ability to wipe out those 1000 players with the press of one button? At zero risk?

That sounds like a game I want to play! (as long as I'm the guy with the I-Win button)

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Honestly I don't think non-capital-ships can be expected to take out a titan simply due to the DD.

I do agree that titans should not be able to cloak, however.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Wendat Huron

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Let me be the first to welcome our new BoB overlords... (wait, didn't I do this in a goony thread the other day...)

Even if BoB built 10 of them, that still doesn't make titans easy or cheap to build. I mean, seriously, the number of components involved, especially if you acutally used haulers to move 'em rather than freighters... that alone's some serious effort.

Motherships and Titans, _are_ difficult, and expensive to build. Cranking them out? Well, I'm impressed. I mean, consider for a moment, what kind of level of income that actually implies?

Titans need a little work still, but they're still not even remotely cost effective.

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Considering them exploiting the bugged blood raider complexes for quite some time that income is a non-factor.

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You mean the complexes that I reported as bugged and were removed from the game only a week after the bug was introduced, so that they've gotten zero income from them for weeks now, as compared to RA which is earning 60-100 billion a day from its complexes?

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Since it is unfair and unrealistic to limit the number of players who can be in a location...

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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So let me get this strait. ItÆs OK to bring 1K+ people to a system and crash the node, but the only weapon that can counter that (titan) is not OK?

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Someone has struck on part of the underlying problem. The Nodes (current technology) cannot handle several hundred players fighting it out. The game (mechanics/balance) cannot handle Titans, and by extension cap ship proliferation.

Since it is unfair and unrealistic to limit the number of players who can be in a location another solution must be found. Something that might work (would be wildly unpopular at first and cause some very strange game issues). Different servers.

Single server is fun, it gives you depth of numbers and all the things that go with it. It also leads to mega groups who run wild. The game is not ready for 1000 man fights, the game was not really ready for cap ships. Different servers splits up your population, the blobs are smaller. I bet there would be a number of people willing to start up on a server that was old tech. I bet a number of players would also be willing to transfer. *shrug*

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Maybe if you behave well and fulfill the "overweight & has an office job" requirement, they will let you fly one of their 20 titans in 1 year.

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Having seen you, you're in no place to talk.

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Originally by: Fubarski

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Because continuing to move the end-game farther out of new players is going to drive off the recurring new blood an MMO needs to survive.

Fubar

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Originally by: Mariko San

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Edited by: Mariko San on 03/05/2007 15:49:14

Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Wendat Huron

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Let me be the first to welcome our new BoB overlords... (wait, didn't I do this in a goony thread the other day...)

Even if BoB built 10 of them, that still doesn't make titans easy or cheap to build. I mean, seriously, the number of components involved, especially if you acutally used haulers to move 'em rather than freighters... that alone's some serious effort.

Motherships and Titans, _are_ difficult, and expensive to build. Cranking them out? Well, I'm impressed. I mean, consider for a moment, what kind of level of income that actually implies?

Titans need a little work still, but they're still not even remotely cost effective.

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Considering them exploiting the bugged blood raider complexes for quite some time that income is a non-factor.

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You mean the complexes that I reported as bugged and were removed from the game only a week after the bug was introduced, so that they've gotten zero income from them for weeks now, as compared to RA which is earning 60-100 billion a day from its complexes?

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Curious to know how many tens of billions of isk were made in the meantime or did you hand it all back as you knew they were bugged?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Wendat Huron

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Let me be the first to welcome our new BoB overlords... (wait, didn't I do this in a goony thread the other day...)

Even if BoB built 10 of them, that still doesn't make titans easy or cheap to build. I mean, seriously, the number of components involved, especially if you acutally used haulers to move 'em rather than freighters... that alone's some serious effort.

Motherships and Titans, _are_ difficult, and expensive to build. Cranking them out? Well, I'm impressed. I mean, consider for a moment, what kind of level of income that actually implies?

Titans need a little work still, but they're still not even remotely cost effective.

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Considering them exploiting the bugged blood raider complexes for quite some time that income is a non-factor.

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You mean the complexes that I reported as bugged and were removed from the game only a week after the bug was introduced, so that they've gotten zero income from them for weeks now, as compared to RA which is earning 60-100 billion a day from its complexes?

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Originally by: Yuki Li

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Of course they're using complexes for ISK, just not bugged ones.

And to be honest, while part of me agrees that it's too easy to get whacked by a Titan, (I was under the impression when they were released that the Doomsday would be some sort of last ditch escape plan)...

I can't help but laugh at the amount of Coaltion rar nerfnerf titans rar in here, dominantly from people who don't have Titans - It's your own fault BoB has the Titans, if you'd attacked them before they turned Delve into a near uncapturable fortress then maybe you wouldn't be having this problem.

Unfortunately you're strategically inept and left it as long as possible. Procrastination and war don't mix.

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It depends on your pets, between 5 and 50 million

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Originally by: Agnst

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You mean before CCP turned Delve into a near uncapturable fortress? By making a regino both conq + unconq? Let alone I will not start the officer per day feat and more than 10 plexes that region has discussion...


oh the hypocricy

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SirMolle: and hey can you make a cool living region, with lots of complexes and both conq and non-conq systems
Oveur: sure but what if anyone finds out i made it for you and your crew and starts rabbleing?

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Rollback the hitpoint buff and get rid of the DD. Instead of using the "it kills blobs!" excuse improve the engine or release a new one so the 200 vs 200 (bs + support) fights that everyone really wants are viable.

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So you are going to limit coalition from bringing more then 200 to a fight? Cool. You are my hero.

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Originally by: Agnst

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1) Post with your main
2) Who said CCP did it intentionally? They can f4ck up too you know, they are only human.
3) Hate idiots :(

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Originally by: Ferocious FeAr

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A game where titans wouldn't exist in 0.0 is just as lame. Nodes being crashed is by far more fustrating than being doomsdayed.

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Originally by: Agnst

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They are getting 0 income from those plexes in delve, but farming them every day right after DT... ye... spare us dude, please.

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Originally by: Sergio Ling

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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And then in a year bob alliance will have 20 titans, mc will have 10, AAA will have 5 etc.

You'll jump into someone's space to find a fight and the first ship you see drops a cyno and you get DD'ed.

Fleet fights will just be who DD's the other fleet first... Oh no wait, fleet fights are like that ALREADY.

I'm sure by then our devs will have slapped themselves on the forehead and realized that they've ruined Eve.


Titans = SWG's Jedis anyone?


Thankfully pirates of the burning sea has kinda open pvp, maybe they'll even have a joining offer for "eve refugees" when Eve has been sufficiently ruined by everyone having titans.

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you should lead by example and not log on again. the world of EVE would be a slightly better, far less boring place without you

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Originally by: OozoO

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Originally by: FireFoxx80

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Someone ran the Math. A Titan, with officer mods and rigs, has enough cap to DD and cyno out instantly. Moreover, it would take something like 84 nos fitted battleships to keep it's cap regen low enough to prevent it from jumping.

Unless of course, you wait for the pilot to log off.

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well said - the awful truth.

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Originally by: Randay

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its inevitable, carriers and dreadnoughts are the new battleship. adapt or die.

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Originally by: Randay

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its inevitable, carriers and dreadnoughts are the new battleship. adapt or die.

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Originally by: Manfred Sideous

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Instead of complaining get your alliance organized and build yourself 5 problem solved.

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Originally by: Jin Entres

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Doomsdays killing capital fleets? Let's have a look at ze math, shall we:

DD (any type) damage with skill at 4 = 46875 * 1.4 = 65,625

Moros' armor with Hull Upgrades V = 187,500 * 1.25 = 234,375

Moros' effective armor with 80% resistance against DD's damage type = 234375 / 0.2 = 1,171,875

Number of DD's needed to take down that much armour = 1,171,875 / 65,625 = 17.86

Moros' hull with Mechanic V = 218,750 * 1.25 = 273,437.5

Moros' effective hull with 60% (Damage Control II) resistance against DD's damage type = 273,437.5 / 0.4 = 683,593.75

Number of DD's needed to take down that much hull = 683,593.75 / 65,625 = 10.42

Moros' shield with Shield Management IV = 156,250 * 1.20 = 187,500

Moros' effective shield with 12.5% (Damage Control II) resistance against EM (lowest possible resistance) = 187,500 / 0.875 = 214,285.71

Number of DD's needed to take down that much shield = 214,285.71 / 65,625 = 3.27

Total number of DD's needed to take down a Moros with the above skills and resistances = 31.55 = 32

It is likely that pilots will have higher resistances and that some of them will have slave sets which will increase the amount of needed DD's by a lot. The above also assumes that all the DD's are fired in a time window within which the targeted ships will have no chance to boost or repair (shield boosting capitals will therefore most likely get a boost in no matter how well co-ordinated).

Throwing a low estimate for Titan cost out of my ass, say 50 bil, would price 32 titans at 1600 bil ISK. This is of course assuming that all ship and component BPO's are owned. The build time of that many ships is a different issue, of course, depending on how many sets of prints are purchased. And there's obviously also the fact that the sheer amount of minerals required would result in increased prices, unless the mining is done by hand or Mining Coalition is contracted to purify the universe of rocks.

So, yeah, I don't think we're going to see cap ship fleets being DD'd anytime soon.

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Originally by: Royaldo

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where is the ra titans?
they a pawning all the plex's ingame, and not built 1 single titan??

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 03/05/2007 19:48:04
What? Are you saying that a new player is useless? You mean they canÆt train to fly interceptor to be a good tackler? They canÆt train to fly an interdictor to bobble capital fleets or gates?

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Quote:

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Are you saying that they canÆt train up for battleships to be able to NPC, do missions or provide support for a fleet?

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Are you saying that a new player should be on the same level as a 4 year old player that had to mine veldsper for months to get their first cruiser back in the day, but a new player should be just handed a dreadnought? Because if thatÆs what you are saying, well, you are wrong.

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 03/05/2007 19:48:04

Originally by: Havras

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Originally by: Randay

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its inevitable, carriers and dreadnoughts are the new battleship. adapt or die.

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Originally by: Manfred Sideous

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Instead of complaining get your alliance organized and build yourself 5 problem solved.

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In response to both of you:

And what do you propose the new players of Eve look forward to? Just staying in Empire because even a ye ar of training won't seem them usefull in Alliance warfare?

Don't bother playing eve at this remove because you'll never catch up to the vets and won't be usefull for anything then a suicide cyno?

If Super cap fleets become common place and the "future" of alliance warfare then there is ZERO reason for any new player to want to play eve because by the time they get there something else will have come along to make super caps useless in fleet warfare.

Which would mean a slow stagnating death for this game you all enjoy so much.

Or are you of the opinion that only vets should be playing this game at all?

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What? Are you saying that a new player is useless? You mean they canÆt train to fly interceptor to be a good tackler? They canÆt train to fly an interdictor to bobble capital fleets or gates? Are you saying that they canÆt train up for battleships to be able to NPC, do missions or provide support for a fleet?

Are you saying that a new player should be on the same level as a 4 year old player that had to mine veldsper for months to get their first cruiser back in the day, but a new player should be just handed a dreadnought? Because if thatÆs what you are saying, well, you are wrong.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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There is not way anyone can win anything, ever. Even if you add 'no jumping for 10 minutes'.

If any titan is ever in trouble one of the others just jumps in and DD'd whatever is causing the problem. That one misses too? How about the third, fourth, fifth? Oh and its been and hour, the first can DD again.

Even if you made it once per day they would just never use them till they absolutly need it or have your fleet pinned.

DD's are the single most stupid feature ever to make it into Eve. Titans were supposed to be moving stations, not weapons of mass destruction.

CCP you've succesfully broken your game.

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A capital ship fleet can easily kill a titan if the titan is rooted for 10, 20, 30 minutes. This will force whoever owns the titan to keep its own capital fleet within a short distance in case a titan gets attacked. This will vastly limit the range and power projection abilities of their titans.

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Originally by: Benglada

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And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Ovale youre talking alot of theorycraft here.

Eve never had "easy access" for noobs. Eve required skillpoints to fly certain stuff, especially certain stuff good and it requires alot of isk to buy all this stuff too.

You might argue that with gtcs its easy for wealthy ppl to "catch up" but joe newbie will even with lvl 4 missions spend months to move slowly on the "skillpoint chain". Check evemon how long it takes for a 1 mil starter char to fly a command ship ?

Supercaps are a rare sight and they are exspensive to build. We are talking about 200k subscribers and maybe 20 ? MS and Titans alltogether.
Eve always supports hard work and you could argue in the same way " a corp of noobs can never build a station" its the same argument as it is for a titan. New players have their niche in the game, especially if they specialize but they will still be encouraged to play on to unlock new areas for themself. Thats what eve is about. That an interceptor or an Interdictor might not be helpfull against a mothership is one thing but with a few days training a new guy can fly a neutralizer bs which are indeed well worth it and can, rightly setup and used, outsmart a titan or ms.

The whole argument resolves here more along the wow line of "we cant drop this boss so he must be nerved".

Titans might be abit imbalanced but im confident ccp will monitor them. Afterall Dualmwd ravens got "balanced" aswell and so did Dualpropulsion cruisers and all the other "the end of eve" flavour of the month apperances.

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Originally by: Royaldo

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where is the ra titans?
they a pawning all the plex's ingame, and not built 1 single titan??

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/05/2007 21:00:08

Originally by: Royaldo

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where is the ra titans?
they a pawning all the plex's ingame, and not built 1 single titan??

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out how

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Originally by: Axis 1

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The game is in its death throws.....people just dont realise it yet.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Ovale youre talking alot of theorycraft here.

Eve never had "easy access" for noobs. Eve required skillpoints to fly certain stuff, especially certain stuff good and it requires alot of isk to buy all this stuff too.

You might argue that with gtcs its easy for wealthy ppl to "catch up" but joe newbie will even with lvl 4 missions spend months to move slowly on the "skillpoint chain". Check evemon how long it takes for a 1 mil starter char to fly a command ship ?

Supercaps are a rare sight and they are exspensive to build. We are talking about 200k subscribers and maybe 20 ? MS and Titans alltogether.
Eve always supports hard work and you could argue in the same way " a corp of noobs can never build a station" its the same argument as it is for a titan. New players have their niche in the game, especially if they specialize but they will still be encouraged to play on to unlock new areas for themself. Thats what eve is about. That an interceptor or an Interdictor might not be helpfull against a mothership is one thing but with a few days training a new guy can fly a neutralizer bs which are indeed well worth it and can, rightly setup and used, outsmart a titan or ms.

The whole argument resolves here more along the wow line of "we cant drop this boss so he must be nerved".

Titans might be abit imbalanced but im confident ccp will monitor them. Afterall Dualmwd ravens got "balanced" aswell and so did Dualpropulsion cruisers and all the other "the end of eve" flavour of the month apperances.

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Originally by: MasterDecoy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/05/2007 21:00:08

Originally by: Royaldo

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where is the ra titans?
they a pawning all the plex's ingame, and not built 1 single titan??

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out how

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that's a pretty bold thing to say...

Proof or STFU?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: MasterDecoy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Royaldo

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where is the ra titans?
they a pawning all the plex's ingame, and not built 1 single titan??

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out how

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that's a pretty bold thing to say...

Proof or STFU?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Knowing some Russians and former RA members, I would be pretty confident in my information

Do you really think the ISK simply disappears? If they spent it all in-game, they would have a fleet of Titans already.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: Ovale

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On the topic of Titans: there are some interesting observations about them.

You can kill them.

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Originally by: w0rmy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Knowing some Russians and former RA members, I would be pretty confident in my information

Do you really think the ISK simply disappears? If they spent it all in-game, they would have a fleet of Titans already.

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And if you had a spine, youd keep your comments about in game, and keep **** like this between yourself and CCP.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Did I strike a nerve, or did you buy your ships from IGE too?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: w0rmy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Did I strike a nerve, or did you buy your ships from IGE too?

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When you start bringing **** about peoples real life onto the boards, because you cannot handle dealing with them with your space ships...

Yeah, it does strick a nerve. Cowards **** me off.

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Originally by: w0rmy

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Edited by: w0rmy on 03/05/2007 21:56:27

Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Knowing some Russians and former RA members, I would be pretty confident in my information

Do you really think the ISK simply disappears? If they spent it all in-game, they would have a fleet of Titans already.

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And if you had a spine, youd keep your comments about in game, and keep **** like this between yourself and CCP.

Originally by: Dark Shikari

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They refer to them informally as "slaves" and often have dozens of them running complexes on shifts.

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Oh hang on, slaves. Now we are getting to a topic this little pet does know about.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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It is never, ever cowardly to make public cheaters, whether they are allies or enemies.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/05/2007 22:03:46

Originally by: w0rmy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Did I strike a nerve, or did you buy your ships from IGE too?

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When you start bringing **** about peoples real life onto the boards, because you cannot handle dealing with them with your space ships...

Yeah, it does strick a nerve. Cowards **** me off.

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It isn't my fault that people connect EVE with real life by selling the ISK they earn in-game

It is never, ever cowardly to make public cheaters, whether they are allies or enemies, or whether their cheating is in-game, out-of-game, or both.

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Originally by: w0rmy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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So players are not allowed to mention cheating and ISK selling? We're supposed to pretend it doesn't exist?

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On CAOD, one would think YES.

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Shut up with your ugly racism here!

If you have any proof, go to CCP. But obviously you have none at all. And speaking about cheaters, look at yourself and your 'friends' BoB first before you accuse anyone else.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/05/2007 21:00:08

Originally by: Royaldo

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where is the ra titans?
they a pawning all the plex's ingame, and not built 1 single titan??

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out how

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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You might think yes. I think most other people have things called "morals" and would disagree.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: w0rmy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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You might think yes. I think most other people have things called "morals" and would disagree.

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Now, without even knowing me, youre questioning my morals?

Youre a weak weak man, almost weak as your argument.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Yes, I am questioning your morals, because you're saying that we should pretend that cheating doesn't happen and cover it up.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: Karunel

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TBH I don't think this is the place to talk about certain things, DS.

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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I can't blame BoB for working hard and focusing their assets into big-ticket items such as titans.

That being said, the Titan is both an amazing tactical tool and the end to decent 0.0 warfare.

I've always thought the doomsday was pretty cool, but after I got over the novelty factor it really does create a conundrum for the average Eve player.

While it takes a while to wind up, unless specifically set up to tank a specific DD, any fleet that isn't a cap fleet gets wasted by a DD, let alone 5.

Add to that the fact that normal warfare methods don't work with Supercapitals. Bubbles get popped by Smartbombs, or by the DD itself.

If this is the road that CCP wants to go down, within six months we are going to see the virtual end to fleet combat in Battleships and below, Fleet battles will likely be performed in Dreads, Carriers, Motherships and Titans.

I know the probable answer is "Boohoo, get more titans", but I think that there needs to be some sort of achilles heel attached to Titans in general, which makes them less of a pwnmobile.

For instance, make activating a DD like lighting off a cyno, no jumping or warping for 10 minutes.

I think that in itself will make people think very carefully about how they employ their Titan, and enable an enemy force to extract a little retribution from their attacker.

I do understand that a Titan is a massive investment, and with such an investment there should be a huge return.

The jump bridge and the DD are that return, but for the good of the future of this game some changes need to be made before things get even more out of hand.

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Originally by: Stamm

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Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/05/2007 22:03:46

Originally by: w0rmy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Did I strike a nerve, or did you buy your ships from IGE too?

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When you start bringing **** about peoples real life onto the boards, because you cannot handle dealing with them with your space ships...

Yeah, it does strick a nerve. Cowards **** me off.

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It isn't my fault that people connect EVE with real life by selling the ISK they earn in-game

It is never, ever cowardly to make public cheaters, whether they are allies or enemies, or whether their cheating is in-game, out-of-game, or both.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Its just that playing EVE is very depressing when one knows this is going on and nothing is being done about it. Every once in a while the pot just boils over.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/05/2007 22:03:46

Originally by: w0rmy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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It is never, ever cowardly to make public cheaters, whether they are allies or enemies, or whether their cheating is in-game, out-of-game, or both.

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For you to state this is incredibly ironic considering the side you have chosen to take in this conflict. I seem to recall someone bing called alot worse than a coward (by you as a matter of fact) for exposing a group of cheaters and liars.

Big double standard anyone?

Originally by: Gungankllr

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I would greatly appreciate it if the moderation team would not lock this thread and instead give some unofficial coaching to those people that are trying ever so hard to get it locked for some odd reason.

Look folks, while I understand that this thread started as a quasi-alt post noting the construction of a fifth titan, I believe it's become quite a bit more than that to many concerned pilots.

Complexes and Slaves really has nothing to do with what we are talking about right now.

Right now we are talking about checks and balances, and how there is an anomoly in the makeup of eve that is potentially a game-killer.

When the opposing team has the ball on your five yard line, arguing about what kind of beer is being drunk in the parking lot is stupid.

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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When the opposing team has the ball on your five yard line, arguing about what kind of beer is being drunk in the parking lot is stupid.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: Exortius Amarrus

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To the OP: proof please.

Earlier today, i was browsing through ancient posts from the CAOD section, and it's amazing to see the parallels between grievances from back then and grievances today.

"Battleships are overpowered", "cruises on frigs WTF", "nerf this, nerf that". It is important to note, that those who i know have adapted, are still here today. Entities in those old, old threads who did not, are no longer here.

In the interests of continuing this grand conflict: please adapt.

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Originally by: Grendle Firefly

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My take on fixing the Titan DD.

The DDÆs use as an anti blob weapon has value, so donÆt eliminate it.

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Originally by: Benglada

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And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?

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Originally by: Stamm

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Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.

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Originally by: Al'Gouhti

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This thread look preaty derailed to me, when you look at the OP.

could someone enlighten the part of the comunity that is not in the know. What race this 5th titan is?
What corp owns it?

and while ur at it, please tell about the 4th titan aswell since i missed the alt post about that one

cheers

Al'

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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You'll jump into someone's space to find a fight and the first ship you see drops a cyno and you get DD'ed.

Titans = SWG's Jedis anyone?

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Originally by: prothuskus

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Personally, I think Titan's are an excellent asset to control, and as such I don't really feel it necessary to curb its power.

It costs a massive amount of resources, not to mention the secrecy to have one in production. That in itself is a feat deserving of such a powerful ship. Perhaps nerfing it is a thought in the wrong direction? If anything I would say limit the number of Titans an Alliance may control. Cuz I mean cmon, how fun would that be if someone had a dozen titans online at the same time.

I dunno... It takes too long to train for and too much to make one so I don't support taking anything away from a Titan, but a logical step would be to limit numbers of them in control of a single entity to keep things realistic and entertaining for both sides.

There are plenty of things I still need to experience in eve

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Originally by: Stamm

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Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.

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Originally by: Logan Williams

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I finally get home to read a "new" thread and have to post on the 6'th or 7'th page. Screw that, I read the first page and if I repeat anyone I apologize in advance.

To the gentleman who said that Titans need an achilles heel.....agreed. It goes much further than that however. I think ship classes should be more role-specific. Interceptors are now obsolete due to Interdictors. Recons are actually okay. Logistics ships are well, still lame. Command ships are almost outdone by tier 2 Battlecruisers. Battleships are quickly becomming the tools of empire wars only and high sec at that.

Sorry but, I see fleet combat at just that. In the real world, every ship has it's own distinct function. Frigates, Cruisers, Battleships (Okay well, they're all dry-docked anyway) Carriers, and Submarines. (Not to mention medical ships, minesweepers, etc...) Anyway, a fleet without the proper support is doomed. One could argue that a titan is akin to real world nukes but, beyond making the game more skill-intensive, increasing the gap between rich and poor, and giving a group (ANY group) the means to completely shut down 0.0, what purpose do some of these ship classes really serve?

Imagine a wide-eyed kid inviting his friend over for this NEAT new game he's found only for them both to be discouraged later on when they realize that, unless you have 25 mil SP, you're REALLY behind the curve. "Screw this," little Billy says to little Jimmy "let's just go play a first person shooter."

It's time CCP let Oveur back out of his cage, get some more balance back, and work on throughput and such OVER content. Hell, even if I lost 6 battleships in a given period of time, being able to do it at 50 FPS as opposed to 5 FPS would at least make it fun. Sorry, but a game with a million....a billion individual items is great.....the suffering of players dealing with system lag, 0.0 rich kids, and overall frustration really should outweigh trying to invent the next ten items and trying to get them out before the next patch release.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/05/2007 22:20:16

Originally by: Karunel

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TBH I don't think this is the place to talk about certain things, DS.

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Probably not. People can believe what they want. There's no point in going further.

I apologize for venting here. Its just that playing EVE is very depressing when one knows this is going on and nothing is being done about it. Every once in a while the pot just boils over.

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Originally by: Stamm

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Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.

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Originally by: Logan Williams

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I finally get home to read a "new" thread and have to post on the 6'th or 7'th page. Screw that, I read the first page and if I repeat anyone I apologize in advance.

To the gentleman who said that Titans need an achilles heel.....agreed. It goes much further than that however. I think ship classes should be more role-specific. Interceptors are now obsolete due to Interdictors. Recons are actually okay. Logistics ships are well, still lame. Command ships are almost outdone by tier 2 Battlecruisers. Battleships are quickly becomming the tools of empire wars only and high sec at that.

Sorry but, I see fleet combat at just that. In the real world, every ship has it's own distinct function. Frigates, Cruisers, Battleships (Okay well, they're all dry-docked anyway) Carriers, and Submarines. (Not to mention medical ships, minesweepers, etc...) Anyway, a fleet without the proper support is doomed. One could argue that a titan is akin to real world nukes but, beyond making the game more skill-intensive, increasing the gap between rich and poor, and giving a group (ANY group) the means to completely shut down 0.0, what purpose do some of these ship classes really serve?

Imagine a wide-eyed kid inviting his friend over for this NEAT new game he's found only for them both to be discouraged later on when they realize that, unless you have 25 mil SP, you're REALLY behind the curve. "Screw this," little Billy says to little Jimmy "let's just go play a first person shooter."

It's time CCP let Oveur back out of his cage, get some more balance back, and work on throughput and such OVER content. Hell, even if I lost 6 battleships in a given period of time, being able to do it at 50 FPS as opposed to 5 FPS would at least make it fun. Sorry, but a game with a million....a billion individual items is great.....the suffering of players dealing with system lag, 0.0 rich kids, and overall frustration really should outweigh trying to invent the next ten items and trying to get them out before the next patch release.

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Originally by: Gunship

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A 1000 man goon blob or 5 titans?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Avatar
Casting his sight on his realm, the Lord witnessed
The cascade of evil, the torrents of war.
Burning with wrath, He stepped
down from the Heavens
To judge the unworthy,
To redeem the pure.

-The Scriptures, Revelation Verses 2:12

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Leviathan Citizens of the State, rejoice!

Today, a great milestone has been achieved by our glorious leaders. A stepping stone in the grand story of our empire has been traversed. Our individual fears may be quietened; the safety of our great nation has been secured.

Today, unyielding, we have walked the way of the warrior. In our hands have our fates been molded. On the LeviathanGÇÖs back will our civilization be carried home and the taint of the Enemy purged from our souls.

Rejoice, citizens! Victory is at hand.

-Caldari State Information Bureau Pamphlet, 23248 AD

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Erebus
From the formless void's gaping maw, there springs an entity. Not an entity such as any you can conceive of, nor I; an entity more primordial than the elements themselves, yet constantly coming into existence even as it is destroyed. It is the Child of Chaos, the Pathway to the Next.

The darkness shall swallow the land, and in its wake there will follow a storm, as the appetite of nothing expands over the world.

From the formless void's gaping maw, there springs an entity.

Dr. Damella Macaper
The Seven Events of the Apocalypse

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The liberty of our people is solely our responsibility. Tempting as it is to foist this burden upon our well-wishers, we must never forget that the onus of our emancipation rests with us and us alone.

For too long, our proud people have been subjugated to the whims of enslavers, forced to endure relentless suffering and humiliation at the hands of people whose motivations, masked though they may be by florid religious claptrap, remain as base and despicable as those of the playground bully.

If ever there was a time to rise "if ever there was a time to join hands with our brothers" that time is now. At this exact junction in history we have within our grasp the means to loosen our tormentors' hold and win freedom for our kin. Opportunities are there to be taken.

Brothers, we must rise.

-Malaetu Shakor, Republic Parliament Head
Speaking before the Tribal Council
November 27th, YC 107

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The Titans

In the Amarr tongue, their name is Imud Hubrau, or "Beast of Heaven". To the Gallente, they are known as Soltueurs, or "Sun Slayers". The collective name for these behemoths is Titans, the largest spacefaring vessels ever constructed. The sheer cost in resources, manpower and time, as well as the necessary technological knowledge, makes construction of a Titan-class vessel a venture only empires can usually fathom. Some of these mammoth vessels have taken decades to assemble. Many are over a century old themselves, and the three mammoth Jovian motherships, the first Titans, have origins pre-dating modern space travel. They are maintained with constant upgrades, and at any given time, one of the three is out of commission while undergoing retrofits.

Their value is indescribable. Functioning for those who own them as a mobile base of operations as well as a flagship, Titans turn the tides of war with their mere presence. Aside from their blistering armament and many-metres-thick armour, they boast the ability to transport entire fleets within their hulks across entire star systems. Their mind-boggling mass can cause small ships to become trapped in the gravity bow-wave before them. A few of these vessels are massive enough that their presence affects planetary tidal patterns.

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Originally by: Exus

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well... remote firing DDD is really sick...
and Titan should jump bridge his fleet.
It jumps first, fire the DDD, and the rest of the fleet follow to kill the rest of the enemy fleet.

remote DD or DD + cynoing out isnt fair...

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Originally by: Vadoc Trax

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Maybe they should've limited Titans to 1 per Alliance.

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