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Shivalla Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:06:00 - [391] Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I don't buy the "privacy" excuse. Noone should have an expectation of in-game privacy. It sounds like you're trying to sweep this under the rug. I don't trust you. I have no reason to trust you. Every bit of law enforcement and forensic auditor training is saying: dig harder, there's something rotten here. Your training failed. Whatever organisation you may belong to may now hang its head in shame, not because their training failed but because they hired you. Ha, ha, ha.... That's one of the stupidist things I've read in the forum. Refer to alleged "privacy" policy. Present easily available EULA. Point out, TWICE, IN BOLD, there is no expectation of privacy. Get flamed by an idiot too whatever to read the post and too busy protecting BoB or Drama Queening against the Goons. Here's a clue: I don't care about either side, I care that I'm not playing a rigged game. CCP is lying about their ability to present exculpatory evidence. Clearly they can under the provisions of the EULA. Clearly they're not providing the evidence and are, once again, trying to sweep it under the rug. Trust is gone. Dont let the door hit you in the ass while leaving. We didn¦t need any how, we dont actually want to even have you. Go to WoW, there you have your cozy lil community flaming Shaman GM:s so that they quit. ¦nuff said.
pator gurl	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:07:00 - [392] Originally by: Mantrata Originally by: hilaw For what its worth, the information being exposed to the masses officially is great, between the flaming. Actually, its padded and unreveiling. It's not padded and unreveiling, it's just not the information you are looking for. No company will reveal full results of an internal investigation to the public. Doing so would they would break their own rules.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:12:00 - [393] Originally by: UnIQu3 Keiron told us during the T20 affair that it was impossible for a Dev to spawn BPO's and that it was all GoonSwarm's fault anyway because they talked about it on the forums and then BAM T20 admits to having spawned BPO's. He did not spawn them, he made changes so that he would have a higher chance of getting BPOs in the lottery. Big difference.
UnIQu3 Amarr DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:13:00 - [394] Originally by: Mister Spanky Originally by: UnIQu3 What we in DS1 been asking for, is for a communication line between CCP and us, and we stil asking. If they could contact us in-game, tell us who peitioned, that lead to Sharkbait joining our corp. That would help us greatly! So IA, please contact us, so we can settle this. I was very disturbed to learn that nobody from CCP even bothered to contact DS1 during their "extensive investigation." You would think that talking to the people who originated the complaint would have been the first thing they did. I'm also very concerned about Keiron's utterly unprofessional attitude in this matter. This is not the first time he's made a reprehensible comment of that kind. The reason a lot of people believe Keiron is a BoB member is because he behaves exactly like one: 1. Deny everything. 2. Blame the Goons for "trouble making". 3. Fall strangely silent when they are proven right. Keiron told us during the T20 affair that it was impossible for a Dev to spawn BPO's and that it was all GoonSwarm's fault anyway because they talked about it on the forums and then BAM T20 admits to having spawned BPO's. Now he's telling us that it's not possible to delete petitions, (laughable if you've ever filed one) and that's its all the Goons fault anyway because thay talked about it on the forums... Keiron, you really need some training on customer relations because no matter what the issue is you don't ever pass comment on things you don't fully understand and you never, ever scapegoat a section of your customer base and try to blame them for your own internal failings. PS: The guys in DS1 aren't actually Goons, you know. If I remember correctly they're a former Prime Orbital Systems corp who joined GS recently because of time zone considerations. They're very well established Eve Players and have no reason whatsoever to be a part of your imagined "Goon Conspiracy." Former ASCN and Ka-tet :) But i do agree, i feel sad kieron just making us look like liars, but then again - we dont seal your lines... So anytime CCP is welcome to contact us, it will be alot easier if they could explain it to us, it would be alot easier for DS1 say, hi ok - its true there was a bug. Now THAT would say welldone CCP, you investigated this good. Right now, we in a boat where we cant confirm or defirm if its true, and instead kieron wants us to ask a question why it suddenly got a huge thing after 3 weeks. Thats the easiest, CEO didnt find the mail after that time? Regards UnIQu3 Looking forward for you to contact DS1
Imiarr Timshae Roid Vandals Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:13:00 - [395] Please Read.. Originally by: CCP kieron It is not possible for a GM or Developer to delete petitions. Those tools quite simply, do not exist. Claims of petitions being deleted are therefore utter fabrication and completely groundless. Um, here another quote also : "Is your character stuck in space or station and cant play the game?. These petitions will be given high priority. Please be advised that petitions filed here regarding other issues than stuck characters will be deleted and repeated attempts may lead to an official warning." Please note the "will be deleted" part. Cough -Imiarr-
pator gurl	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:13:00 - [396] Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I don't buy the "privacy" excuse. Noone should have an expectation of in-game privacy. It sounds like you're trying to sweep this under the rug. I don't trust you. I have no reason to trust you. Every bit of law enforcement and forensic auditor training is saying: dig harder, there's something rotten here. Your training failed. Whatever organisation you may belong to may now hang its head in shame, not because their training failed but because they hired you. Ha, ha, ha.... That's one of the stupidist things I've read in the forum. Refer to alleged "privacy" policy. Present easily available EULA. Point out, TWICE, IN BOLD, there is no expectation of privacy. Get flamed by an idiot too whatever to read the post and too busy protecting BoB or Drama Queening against the Goons. Here's a clue: I don't care about either side, I care that I'm not playing a rigged game. CCP is lying about their ability to present exculpatory evidence. Clearly they can under the provisions of the EULA. Clearly they're not providing the evidence and are, once again, trying to sweep it under the rug. Trust is gone. That deals with Evemails and Chatlogs. Not petitions sent to Customer Support Customer Support petitions are never released, but any company.
pator gurl	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:14:00 - [397] Originally by: Imiarr Timshae Please Read.. Originally by: CCP kieron It is not possible for a GM or Developer to delete petitions. Those tools quite simply, do not exist. Claims of petitions being deleted are therefore utter fabrication and completely groundless. Um, here another quote also : "Is your character stuck in space or station and cant play the game?. These petitions will be given high priority. Please be advised that petitions filed here regarding other issues than stuck characters will be deleted and repeated attempts may lead to an official warning." Please note the "will be deleted" part. Cough It's a metaphor for "closing" the petition. Which means the petition still exists in the database and can be looked up in the future. However CCP should really rename that part of the text.
Trishan Minmatar Green Men Incorporated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:17:00 - [398] Originally by: Dacovale As regards rigging of scripted events. If you've ever been a proper pen and paper rpg geek and tried to write and run a stand alone adventure for a group of players you will know that every 'game' event is rigged in some way. That's because 1100000 people all going somewhere and nothing happening is dull dull dull. They're rigged so that certain things happen that advance the storyline and give us a greater feeling of submersion into the game universe. YES some details of how the events occur will be up to the players but generally certain things have to happen, if you can't see or accept that then I'm sorry but you're playing the wrong genre of game. This is, at the end of the day, a roleplaying game. Draco, you are wrong there. That's called railroading, often coming in the hand with "follow the trail" style of adventures, and it's not the most rewarding approach to games.. although yes, it certainly involves less work. I do suggest you to read upon relationship maps, kickers, bangs, and other concepts that may open your eyes a bit more regarding rpgs (contact me in private for actual game names if goggling around doesn't help). There's no need to railroad anything. Learn something new today :)
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:21:00 - [399] Personally I think CCP should just ignore this utter garbage, stop waisting there time on false accusations and ban people that try to ruin the game. Only reason CCP deals with this stuff is do to it being a small community, you wouldn't even see anyone in EverQuest or WoW even reply to this garbage Goons are coming up with.
Imiarr Timshae Roid Vandals Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:21:00 - [400] Edited by: Imiarr Timshae on 28/05/2007 14:22:19 Originally by: pator gurl It's a metaphor for "closing" the petition. Which means the petition still exists in the database and can be looked up in the future. However CCP should really rename that part of the text. I'm not getting involved further, however : Prove its not there. There is a group who no longer trusts CCP's word. It may well be there, and those people who no longer trust CCP cannot check. Edit : I am NOT one of those people. If CCP can keep making shiny clouds in deadspaces, I love 'em. -Imiarr-

mr bighelmet EnTech Pax Familia	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:24:00 - [401] Originally by: DeathGrip Personally I think CCP should just ignore this utter garbage, stop waisting there time on false accusations and ban people that try to ruin the game. Only reason CCP deals with this stuff is do to it being a small community, you wouldn't even see anyone in EverQuest or WoW even reply to this garbage Goons are coming up with. That's why i stoped being an EQ player, even though i know there nothing behind this except for goon drama bomb, i'm still happy CCP are checking this If i post something smart it represent my corp and alliance all other posts are my feeling/ideas only and do not represnt the rest
ElweSingollo Starlancers Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:29:00 - [402] Edited by: ElweSingollo on 28/05/2007 14:28:35 Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 28/05/2007 13:28:10 Originally by: ElweSingollo I understand that but as I said earlier this to an extent is tied up in the T20 incident the only way that it came out into the public domain was because of a "Drama Bomb" CCP tried to cover that one up and now have an image problem that associates them with ebndervouring to cover up "Shady Dealings" they would like to have the benefit of the doubt but they seem not to have learnt any PR lessons from the previous incident. I will await with interest what Aarkonon says about the "Alleged" deleted petition from the CEO of DS1 in regards to Sharkbait joining the corp did it exist/was it deleted/if so why? etc. You do realise that nothing changed after the T20 incident came to light, right? The matter was already closed for CCP, the culprit punished. The one thing the drama may have done is that you had some more information about it. No where did they try to cover anything up and no amount of drama changed the punishment already inflicted on the guilty party. The outcry of a tiny part of the community was pathetic then as much as it is now. Reread the facts mate it wasn't dealt with the dev involved got a slap on the hands and his characters liquidated the BPO's that were illegally given to BoB WERE NOT removed from BoB control even though they were retrieved illegally. This was changed when there was an Outcry about it. Good to know that you care so much about cheating that you consider any critism of CCP when a member of thier staff indulge in cheating "pathetic". CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
pator gurl	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:33:00 - [403] Edited by: pator gurl on 28/05/2007 14:32:34 Originally by: Imiarr Timshae Originally by: pator gurl It's a metaphor for "closing" the petition. Which means the petition still exists in the database and can be looked up in the future. However CCP should really rename that part of the text. I'm not getting involved further, however : Prove its not there. There is a group who no longer trusts CCP's word. It may well be there, and those people who no longer trust CCP cannot check. Only way todo that would be to show you the system. if kieron says it's not there - then it isn't there. There is no way to prove or disprove it. Likewise for the investigation results. They show you the results, they can't hold open court RL style and prove to you that their investigation results are correct
Deus Ex'Machina Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:39:00 - [404] Originally by: pator gurl Originally by: Mantrata Originally by: hilaw For what its worth, the information being exposed to the masses officially is great, between the flaming. Actually, its padded and unreveiling. It's not padded and unreveiling, it's just not the information you are looking for. No company will reveal full results of an internal investigation to the public. Doing so would they would break their own rules. What are these fictive rules you speak of? Do they include the bolded part posted earlier about no expectation of privacy? - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. True amarr tank shields!
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:45:00 - [405] Originally by: Mister Spanky Keiron told us during the T20 affair that it was impossible for a Dev to spawn BPO's and that it was all GoonSwarm's fault anyway because they talked about it on the forums and then BAM T20 admits to having spawned BPO's. Link? EVE-search is being a pain today :/ Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
Aduna Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:20:00 - [406] and what about the allegations that BoD has dev access via MSN which circumvents the normal petition process? what about the allegations that they caused an ISD guy to be fired? are you going to address that issue as well, or just sweep it under the carpet like you did the last time with t20?
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:23:00 - [407] Does goon use t2 mods or ships yet. Trying to debate if its worth asking for there stuff since they are all quiting.
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:29:00 - [408] Originally by: DeathGrip Does goon use t2 mods or ships yet. Trying to debate if its worth asking for there stuff since they are all quiting. i dont think they will quit deathgrip..maybe they just do like you and your alliance did when bob wiped the floor with you and became bob pets if you cant beat em then join em..right deathgrip
Illusori	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:33:00 - [409] Edited by: Illusori on 28/05/2007 15:34:15 Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina What are these fictive rules you speak of? Do they include the bolded part posted earlier about no expectation of privacy? That would be the bolded part from the EULA that states that player to player communications should hold no expectation of privacy from CCP? Or do you mean the bolded part that was two paragraphs down that stated that CCP would endevour not to reveal private communications without permission except where needed to cooperate with law enforcement agencies? The first clause is stating that CCP can monitor your in-game communications, the second clause is stating that they will not reveal it to third parties. It is the second part that prevents them from revealing the petition to others, without the express permission of the person who submitted the petition. Since that person hasn't already come forwards to admit their part, they're probably not going to suddenly give CCP permission to reveal them as the cause of this mess. Edit: typos. :(
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:34:00 - [410] Originally by: Etien Aldragoran Originally by: Aries Acheron As for the 2nd petition... it's a DS1 member calling the Devs with a petition to fix something. They come two days later and fix it. Then they ask the Devs why they came to fix something. CCP, being busy, ignored it since they were asked there by DS1 to begin with. You really are stupid. At least I'd think that a DS1 petition to find out why a Dev had given himself access to the corporation, when as far as the directors know there was no reason for that to happen would have gotten some attention. Which I'm assuming they included in their petition. Why, you might ask? Because the anomaly of DS1 asking why someone was fixing something they supposedly reported broken seems a bit ***** odd. MEANWHILE you have no proof that the bug report didn't come from someplace OUTSIDE DS1 any more than anybody else has proof that it didn't come from INSIDE DS1. CCP didn't say one way or the *** other. That means its quite possible that another player petitioned it and DS1 had ABSOLUTELY NO *** KNOWLEDGE of the first petition, which makes it even more imperative that DS1 be informed as to why theres a Dev in their Corp. You really need to just shut the ** up and go home. Its quite obvious that you are nothing more then a paranoid skitzo. It doesn't have to be someone in DS1 to open a petition numnuts. It could have been any one of the 180K player accounts. There are plenty of things that go wrong with corps, such as applications not being processed (which the directors might not know about), offices not renting properly, offices not being billed properly, pos's not firing at people when they should, ect. No to mention, how could sharky be spying on the contents of a POS when DS1 said they didnt even have a POS up at the time. WTF would be the point of spying on a non-existant POS? Open you eyes idiot, it probably wasnt POS related at all, and who knows the numerous other things that could have caused it, or who out of 180K people opened the petition. And no, just because the petition was about the corp doesnt mean its any of the CEO's right to know what it was about. That is between the player who opened the petition, and the GM who handled it, and thats it. __________________________________________

Alois Hammer Minmatar Hammers Slammers Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:41:00 - [411] hey what happened to the other 140= pages?? i got to 67 then i got kicked out!!!!! and so far it was looking real bad for BoB.... is this CCP censorship???
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:42:00 - [412] Originally by: Alois Hammer hey what happened to the other 140= pages?? i got to 67 then i got kicked out!!!!! and so far it was looking real bad for BoB.... is this CCP censorship??? I think your looking for this thread. __________________________________________
Mantrata Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:43:00 - [413] Originally by: Ivan Hablovi Originally by: Mantrata Edited by: Mantrata on 28/05/2007 12:30:46 Originally by: Ivan Hablovi Originally by: DeathGrip Anyone else feel all this is all about Goons losing space and now since there train has failed they need a reason. Yes, no doubt about it. Proof: They said they petitioned and the petition was deleted. Now since it¦s confirmed that petition CANNOT BE DELETED, they say, there isnt a petition sent by DS1, and Sharkbait/CCP should contact their CEO, and say WHO petitioned. OMG, a amazing spin unfolds, by sheer stupidity alone. Ok, if you don't know anything about SQL databases or stored precedures I'll outline it for you. //Connect to Database C# <code to open a DB connection> SQLCommand delete = new SQLCommand("DELETE FROM <tableName> WHERE <columnID> = <ID>"); Easily done from within ANY development IDE like Visual Studio Get the point? You working in CCP, you seem to know pretty much about their system to make such facts as a proof of how things are done. I am not a SQL DB expert of any sort, but I recon, the sheer size of the SQL DB if it is a normal SQL db, is just amazing, and due that, I think they have something bit different than just basic, but as said, I dont know jackcrap about the issue. No don't work for CCP. Just a programmer who knows how to manipulate an SQL database in a managed language hence the use of C# syntax. Size of the database doesn't matter. If you know the structure of the database and have the unique ID of the petition rest is pretty simple.
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:49:00 - [414] Originally by: Mantrata Originally by: Ivan Hablovi Originally by: Mantrata Edited by: Mantrata on 28/05/2007 12:30:46 Originally by: Ivan Hablovi Originally by: DeathGrip Anyone else feel all this is all about Goons losing space and now since there train has failed they need a reason. Yes, no doubt about it. Proof: They said they petitioned and the petition was deleted. Now since it¦s confirmed that petition CANNOT BE DELETED, they say, there isnt a petition sent by DS1, and Sharkbait/CCP should contact their CEO, and say WHO petitioned. OMG, a amazing spin unfolds, by sheer stupidity alone. Ok, if you don't know anything about SQL databases or stored precedures I'll outline it for you. //Connect to Database C# <code to open a DB connection> SQLCommand delete = new SQLCommand("DELETE FROM <tableName> WHERE <columnID> = <ID>"); Easily done from within ANY development IDE like Visual Studio Get the point? You working in CCP, you seem to know pretty much about their system to make such facts as a proof of how things are done. I am not a SQL DB expert of any sort, but I recon, the sheer size of the SQL DB if it is a normal SQL db, is just amazing, and due that, I think they have something bit different than just basic, but as said, I dont know jackcrap about the issue. No don't work for CCP. Just a programmer who knows how to manipulate an SQL database in a managed language hence the use of C# syntax. Size of the database doesn't matter. If you know the structure of the database and have the unique ID of the petition rest is pretty simple. What about the transaction logs, and the query logs, and the one way traffic (insert only) that may exist, or the fact that even to attempt a delete you have to have the grants to do so? Or in all your experience have you never worked on a multi-cluster sized database with hundreds of users for permissions and stored sequences that cant be modified to prevent too much "user access" to the databases? Its ok, it seems like all the paranoid skitzos that are trying to muddle CCP seem to forget evidence and facts along the way. __________________________________________
mr bighelmet EnTech Pax Familia	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:55:00 - [415] Originally by: Mantrata Originally by: Ivan Hablovi Originally by: Mantrata Edited by: Mantrata on 28/05/2007 12:30:46 Originally by: Ivan Hablovi Originally by: DeathGrip Anyone else feel all this is all about Goons losing space and now since there train has failed they need a reason. Yes, no doubt about it. Proof: They said they petitioned and the petition was deleted. Now since it¦s confirmed that petition CANNOT BE DELETED, they say, there isnt a petition sent by DS1, and Sharkbait/CCP should contact their CEO, and say WHO petitioned. OMG, a amazing spin unfolds, by sheer stupidity alone. Ok, if you don't know anything about SQL databases or stored precedures I'll outline it for you. //Connect to Database C# <code to open a DB connection> SQLCommand delete = new SQLCommand("DELETE FROM <tableName> WHERE <columnID> = <ID>"); Easily done from within ANY development IDE like Visual Studio Get the point? You working in CCP, you seem to know pretty much about their system to make such facts as a proof of how things are done. I am not a SQL DB expert of any sort, but I recon, the sheer size of the SQL DB if it is a normal SQL db, is just amazing, and due that, I think they have something bit different than just basic, but as said, I dont know jackcrap about the issue. No don't work for CCP. Just a programmer who knows how to manipulate an SQL database in a managed language hence the use of C# syntax. Size of the database doesn't matter. If you know the structure of the database and have the unique ID of the petition rest is pretty simple. Like i explained before you may know C# but you don't know **** about how commercial SQL databases are setup and works. Even the most noob DBA would luck down delete privlages to normal user (and yes a programer is a normal user for DB access) and a good DBA that handle a huge DB will lock down that delete access to everyone for any semi important table including to himself. The amount of damage a mistake can do if u neglect those basic steps is somthing any DBA know. If i post something smart it represent my corp and alliance all other posts are my feeling/ideas only and do not represnt the rest
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:58:00 - [416] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Originally by: UnIQu3 Keiron told us during the T20 affair that it was impossible for a Dev to spawn BPO's and that it was all GoonSwarm's fault anyway because they talked about it on the forums and then BAM T20 admits to having spawned BPO's. He did not spawn them, he made changes so that he would have a higher chance of getting BPOs in the lottery. Big difference. You're still defending t20 and BoB for the admitted and proven cheating? Why?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:02:00 - [417] Originally by: Imiarr Timshae Please Read.. Originally by: CCP kieron It is not possible for a GM or Developer to delete petitions. Those tools quite simply, do not exist. Claims of petitions being deleted are therefore utter fabrication and completely groundless. Um, here another quote also : "Is your character stuck in space or station and cant play the game?. These petitions will be given high priority. Please be advised that petitions filed here regarding other issues than stuck characters will be deleted and repeated attempts may lead to an official warning." Please note the "will be deleted" part. Cough Hoooof- emphasizing this .
violator2k5 Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:03:00 - [418] im glad to see that sharkbait has been cleared of so called wrong doings when he was actually dealing with a petition that was filed ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:04:00 - [419] Originally by: pator gurl Originally by: Imiarr Timshae Please Read.. Originally by: CCP kieron It is not possible for a GM or Developer to delete petitions. Those tools quite simply, do not exist. Claims of petitions being deleted are therefore utter fabrication and completely groundless. Um, here another quote also : "Is your character stuck in space or station and cant play the game?. These petitions will be given high priority. Please be advised that petitions filed here regarding other issues than stuck characters will be deleted and repeated attempts may lead to an official warning." Please note the "will be deleted" part. Cough It's a metaphor for "closing" the petition. Which means the petition still exists in the database and can be looked up in the future. However CCP should really rename that part of the text. So what do you think DS1 meant by 'petition was deleted'?' It means that it was "closed" and never heard about again. They would never know whether it was deleted, or closed, or what, and it's cowardly of CCP to try to squeeze out of this on wordplay.
Mantrata Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:05:00 - [420] TBH i don't care anymore, this drama will go round in circles, never get resolved, truth will never come out. So, i'm now on extended R&R from Eve. Been in this game comming up four years, was part of the beta, spent time on SISI bug reporting, was accepted to ISD but i refused to send a copy of my driving licence to iceland so let that slide. I've watched it grow from 9K players on a saturday night if you were lucky to what it is now. I remember when the Scorpion wtfbbqed EVERYTHING, i remember firing torpedos from my BB and pwning frigates with cruise missiles from a kestrel. Kudos to CCP for building and making this a great game except for the resource hog it is. You really need to spend some more time trying to solve the FPS killer that is the UI Not so good is the shame and scandal now surrounding CCP and its staff. I will not be back to eve anytime soon unless any of my MSN friends (none of which are CCP) who play eve tell me this is all over and they have the truth proved beyond any doubt. So, from what I've read I'm going to say just a couple of things. To those in BoB:- You know who your are just come clean and get it over with. To those in CCP:- Stop getting chummy with the playerbase and act like the professionals I know you are. You're only hurting your reputation in an industry that has a long memory. And before anyone asks NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF



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