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eleuthereus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.03 02:57:00 - [721] Edited by: eleuthereus on 03/06/2007 02:56:31 Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin Trying to claim you're a goonswarm director because you were a director of LoveU is like trying to say you're a professional athelete after winning an under seven's 50m track event. You guys must have gotten a memo to just keep repeating this objection until somebody paid attention. Guess you missed my many explanations, including the very first explanatory qualifier in the OP: "I am a Goon -- a director, no less (specifically, for Ultrapolite Socialites, a corp in Goonswarm)." GOON corp, director in said GOON corp, member of Goonswarm = Goon Director. That is a legit descriptive term. There is another definition of a director of Goonswarm that relates to a whole different, MUCH higher tier of leadership that is Alliance-wide. I never claimed or implied to be in this Alliance-Tier level of leadership or directorship. But nice try. ________________________ "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is" (Whinston Churchill).
Tendril Zaknefin Minmatar GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.06.03 03:25:00 - [722] Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:28:17 Originally by: eleuthereus But nice try. Thanks! Sometimes it's hard to post in an internet forum. You feel as if people might not take you seriously or they might come down on the points you made with unjust responses. I find it really helpful when people are willing to come out and thank people for trying, or give them praise for effort. It really makes me feel part of a constructive community. In the same vein I'd like to take the time to thankyou, Eleuthereus, for this initial post. While it is lengthly and in my opinion mislead it gave the forums something to read, it may not be of a high standard but at least you've given it a try and that's the real point of the internet. Bravo for your efforts and I'm sure next time you will feel more confident with your posting having read through the constructive advice given in this thread. Have a great day. Thanks again for trying with the OP.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.06.03 04:00:00 - [723] Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:19:00 "I make it no secret: I make posts. Yes, mostly they are based on false logic or pure assumption, hell, sometimes I just decide to make the content up. The point is that this is a forum, it's not about being right, it's about trying to post as many points in a single thread as I possibly can in order to batter people into either siding with me or ignoring my posts. That is a glimpse into my life." - Thanos Draicon So are you implying that the individual in my signature did not state those comments? The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing." -Dawnfiend, Goonswarm
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.03 04:02:00 - [724] goons literally feed on posts like this i lol'd to
Swinton Wolsoncroft Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.03 04:22:00 - [725] Originally by: Adm Tecumseh They have a leadership core that is totally and completely rotten. The top of this pyramid scam has bilked billions of isk from the players, they have scammed the very people they claim to champion. They are corrupt and full of hate. They are racist, bigotted, and homophobic. The comments that are made are often repeated by much newer goons thinking that they are jokes, but they are not. They champion the use of crude pictures such as Will Smith stomping down the World Trade Centre or a man punching a woman as they enter court in their signatures. Dude, are you serious? That's comedy gold. Do not troll in your sig. -Kaemonn
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.06.03 04:23:00 - [726] Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:28:17 Originally by: eleuthereus But nice try. In the same vein I'd like to take the time to thankyou, Eleuthereus, for this initial post. While it is lengthly and in my opinion mislead it gave the forums something to read, it may not be of a high standard but at least you've given it a try and that's the real point of the internet. Bravo for your efforts and I'm sure next time you will feel more confident with your posting having read through the constructive advice given in this thread. Have a great day. Thanks again for trying with the OP. My statement that only 1 Goon so far has had anything substantial to say still stands. You can't defeat the points, so you try and belittle his whole post? I mean really You really think anyone would read that response and take that for a rebuttal?
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.06.03 04:32:00 - [727] Originally by: Svaha Norbu Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 03/06/2007 01:50:29 Originally by: Locus Bey Edited by: Locus Bey on 03/06/2007 01:33:37 Originally by: Svaha Norbu Originally by: Locus Bey It is irrelevant whether it is all of the Goon membership acting in such a puerile manner. It is irrelevant whether there are those Goons who intellectualize away the filth that permeates the Goons as using said renders it harmless. (Ever heard of "War is Peace" - 1984?) The fact is the vast majority revel in this contagion, and the ability to abuse this virus has long been on show in and out of this game. "Goonfleet has always been at war with Goonwaffe" Attention all goons! We have been upgraded from degenerate puerile viral filth to degenerate puerile viral brainwashed filth. Remember to act accordingly. I never said brainwashed. Stop abdicating responsibility. I pointed to the "War is Peace" reference to suggest that: 1. revelling in such puerile activity took the ability for many impressionable individuals to distinguish from them, 2. enabled those with such beliefs to propogate them, 3. those with 1/2 a brain to intellectualize it away, 4. those in positions of power exploit it. So what you mean is that we are brainwashed by puerile behaviour and exploited by our leadership, and it's not because we have fun being puerile? That's pretty interesting, but I'm afraid that thought isn't approved by dear leader. Boy do I love dear leader. (Please don't send me back to the spyad re-education camp) No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons.
Guint McBass Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.03 04:41:00 - [728] Originally by: Locus Bey No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons. Youre like one of those conservatives that protests outside an eminem concert because he uses the word** in his lyrics and talks about degrading women, when you dont realize the fact that rappers had been using** and talking about degrading women for almost 2 decades before he even showed up on raps radar. We arent the first alliance that griefs and we wont be the last. If your problem is with griefing itself then quit playing a PVP mmo. We dont talk in local and until recently would get fined for even making a post on this forum. You dont know jack about anyone in our alliance or what our motivations are.
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.03 04:45:00 - [729] Originally by: Locus Bey No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons. Back to what I said earlier, if you find getting blown up to be degrading then maybe you're taking this a little too personally. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.06.03 04:48:00 - [730] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:19:00 "I make it no secret: I make posts. Yes, mostly they are based on false logic or pure assumption, hell, sometimes I just decide to make the content up. The point is that this is a forum, it's not about being right, it's about trying to post as many points in a single thread as I possibly can in order to batter people into either siding with me or ignoring my posts. That is a glimpse into my life." - Thanos Draicon So are you implying that the individual in my signature did not state those comments? I'm failing to see what part of those comments is incorrect or in fact represents the Goons have an interest in damaging (1) EVE or (2) CCP. In fact, yet again, it would seem they imply the Goons love EVE, want it to be better and are frustrated with the fact CCP seems more concerned about doing as little as possible while sliding into working on WOD.

Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.06.03 05:53:00 - [731] Originally by: Guint McBass Originally by: Locus Bey No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons. Youre like one of those conservatives that protests outside an eminem concert because he uses the word** in his lyrics and talks about degrading women, when you dont realize the fact that rappers had been using** and talking about degrading women for almost 2 decades before he even showed up on raps radar. We arent the first alliance that griefs and we wont be the last. If your problem is with griefing itself then quit playing a PVP mmo. We dont talk in local and until recently would get fined for even making a post on this forum. You dont know jack about anyone in our alliance or what our motivations are. Is it that you and Snowden can't read, or you deliberately reply off topic? Your analogy is hardly relevant to my post, so what can I say?
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.06.03 05:59:00 - [732] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:19:00 "I make it no secret: I make posts. Yes, mostly they are based on false logic or pure assumption, hell, sometimes I just decide to make the content up. The point is that this is a forum, it's not about being right, it's about trying to post as many points in a single thread as I possibly can in order to batter people into either siding with me or ignoring my posts. That is a glimpse into my life." - Thanos Draicon So are you implying that the individual in my signature did not state those comments? I'm failing to see what part of those comments is incorrect or in fact represents the Goons have an interest in damaging (1) EVE or (2) CCP. In fact, yet again, it would seem they imply the Goons love EVE, want it to be better and are frustrated with the fact CCP seems more concerned about doing as little as possible while sliding into working on WOD. I'll add the rest of the quote for your convenience: Quote: The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally ***** ruin the launch and first few months of their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees ofgotry and griefing, so that the only thing they have left is Eve. Eventually someone will see them as a profitable takeover target, and a company that isn't run by **s will buy them out. The headquarters for game development will be moved to a country that isn't populated by unprofessional ice nigs. CCP has created a truly unique, ahead-of-its-time game and Goonswarm intends to ruin the company because of their personal beliefs. Combined with their stated motto of having as much fun as possible at the expense of everyone else, I'd say that accounts to ruining EVE. I don't know about you, but I can't think of a company that has been more forthcoming and upfront with their player base - provide an example of a better-handled event similar to this if you disagree*. Unless you think that Sony Online Entertainment might do a better job? The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing." -Dawnfiend, Goonswarm
Cheval Blanc	Posted - 2007.06.03 06:57:00 - [733] Whine whine whine. I'm so tired of a bunch of nerds complaining of "meta-gamers" (there's life outside the internet??) and Goons ruining their little space paradise of hard-work and little corporations. Wake up, smell the roses, and realize the world is a dirty place and that there is corruption, pirates, scandals everywhere. From the World Bank to CCP to BoB to Goonswarm, you can be sure whereever there's people, there are "bad" things bound to happen. So it's time some of you wake up from your little fantasy. Or you can go off to play "that other MMORPG" and level-grind and lose nothing to PVP - pure equality and impossible of corruption and politics. Seriously, how can you play a game called EVE and complain about politics? Get some perspective, seriously.
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.03 07:14:00 - [734] Originally by: Locus Bey Is it that you and Snowden can't read, or you deliberately reply off topic? No, it's that your whole point is built on a false premise, that killing and being killed in a PvP-heavy videogame is degrading. I've seen ships holding everything I own explode in flames on several occasions, and I still can't relate to that idea in the slightest. You're trying to shoehorn all sorts of moral and psychological assumptions into places where they just don't fit. I have never been degraded by a videogame and if you have, maybe you're the one who has a problem with his self worth. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.06.03 07:26:00 - [735] Originally by: Snowden Vel Edited by: Snowden Vel on 03/06/2007 07:23:09 Originally by: Locus Bey Is it that you and Snowden can't read, or you deliberately reply off topic? No, it's that your whole point is built on a false premise, that killing and being killed in a PvP-heavy videogame is inherently degrading. I've seen ships holding everything I own explode in flames on several occasions while getting smacked in local, and I still can't relate to that idea in the slightest. You're trying to shoehorn all sorts of moral and psychological assumptions into places where they just don't fit. I have never been degraded by a videogame and if you have, maybe you're the one who has a problem with his self worth. No, that wasn't my point at all Read back a few pages...
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.03 07:31:00 - [736] Originally by: Locus Bey No, that wasn't my point at all Read back a few pages... I wasn't arguing with what you said a few pages back, I was arguing with what you said on this page in particular, the "lowest common denominator" post. If you expect me to keep track of all the ridiculous crap you've said in this thread you're going to have to make an index or something. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.06.03 07:40:00 - [737] Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: Locus Bey No, that wasn't my point at all Read back a few pages... I wasn't arguing with what you said a few pages back, I was arguing with what you said on this page in particular, the "lowest common denominator" post. If you expect me to keep track of all the ridiculous crap you've said in this thread you're going to have to make an index or something. Well my comment on this page was about the same thing i've been talking about in previous posts. It's not my fault you don't read properly and have only 1 argument.
Svaha Norbu GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.03 08:13:00 - [738] Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 03/06/2007 08:16:05 Originally by: Locus Bey Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: Locus Bey No, that wasn't my point at all Read back a few pages... I wasn't arguing with what you said a few pages back, I was arguing with what you said on this page in particular, the "lowest common denominator" post. If you expect me to keep track of all the ridiculous crap you've said in this thread you're going to have to make an index or something. Well my comment on this page was about the same thing i've been talking about in previous posts. It's not my fault you don't read properly and have only 1 argument. Why don't you tell us what your real argument is then? To me, It sounds to me exactly like the same tired whining cloaked in pseudo-intellectualism that we have all heard 10,000 times before that boils down to: "I disapprove of the way you have fun, as it offends my delicate sensibilities as a morally upstanding internet spaceship driver" Guess what. We don't care what you think just so long as your ship explodes real purdy. It's pretty funny when you get all excited and blustered about losing your precious collection of bytes on a some server in the UK too.
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.03 08:15:00 - [739] Originally by: HUGO DRAX Thanks for posting this, They do not represent the kind of player I would want to associate with. They should go back to WoW. It seems like this would be the best place for them or Xbox360 live games. back to wow... thats what you came up with..
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.06.03 08:33:00 - [740] mmm not much to say really things get blown up in internet gmes

James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.06.03 08:35:00 - [741] Originally by: Thanos Draicon CCP has created a truly unique, ahead-of-its-time game and Goonswarm intends to ruin the company because of their personal beliefs. Combined with their stated motto of having as much fun as possible at the expense of everyone else, I'd say that accounts to ruining EVE. I don't know about you, but I can't think of a company that has been more forthcoming and upfront with their player base - provide an example of a better-handled event similar to this if you disagree. Unless you think that Sony Online Entertainment might do a better job? I think based on recent actions and choices almost anyone who actually understood the idea of EVE would be able to make it work better. CCP have demonstrated - repeatedly - that they really don't despite "playing on Tranq just so they know how the game is working" which is the biggest load of BS they keep using.
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.03 08:49:00 - [742] Originally by: Moonlight Express Edited by: Moonlight Express on 01/06/2007 15:10:38 Yea, you got to love the goons, especially if you are poor. You have a bunch of goon layers doing a world a favor and become public defenders to help defend the poor. All that racist behavior and bigotry does not mean a thing when a minority defender stands in front of a judge while being defended by a goon lawyer. They are doing those poor minority and * people a favor by helping them in to those nice, clean cells. Almost makes me want to join SomethingAwful and resist arrest next time I go out, so I can be cool like the goons. IÆm sure a goon lawyer will be there to save me. ThatÆs whom I want to defend me. I can hear it now. æYour honor. This *** * cop hit my clientÆs fist with his face. IÆm pretty sure that this *, *** cop has you on MSN. If you convict my client, I will have my very respectable humanitarian organization, SomethingAwful community elect you out of office by flooding every news organization with undeniable evidence of your bias and corruptionÆ That will show them. Go goons, go. See you in NOL or in court, whichever comes first. 1.post with your main? 2.goons make bad jokes about people. not like anyone EVER did that in bob? like the chat logs from azn local a certain homo and hes comments.. nup never happend.
Anille Kole Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.03 09:53:00 - [743] Edited by: Anille Kole on 03/06/2007 09:53:04 Originally by: Royaldo Originally by: Moonlight Express Edited by: Moonlight Express on 01/06/2007 15:10:38 Yea, you got to love the goons, especially if you are poor. You have a bunch of goon layers doing a world a favor and become public defenders to help defend the poor. All that racist behavior and bigotry does not mean a thing when a minority defender stands in front of a judge while being defended by a goon lawyer. They are doing those poor minority and * people a favor by helping them in to those nice, clean cells. Almost makes me want to join SomethingAwful and resist arrest next time I go out, so I can be cool like the goons. IÆm sure a goon lawyer will be there to save me. ThatÆs whom I want to defend me. I can hear it now. æYour honor. This *** * cop hit my clientÆs fist with his face. IÆm pretty sure that this *, *** cop has you on MSN. If you convict my client, I will have my very respectable humanitarian organization, SomethingAwful community elect you out of office by flooding every news organization with undeniable evidence of your bias and corruptionÆ That will show them. Go goons, go. See you in NOL or in court, whichever comes first. 1.post with your main? 2.goons make bad jokes about people. not like anyone EVER did that in bob? like the chat logs from azn local a certain homo and hes comments.. nup never happend. Actually, I think he's made a wonderful metaphor. 8/10 for the satire. 1. You, on the other hand, have denied logical reasoning because you don't know who he is. 2. I'm sure I could find logs from Goons in local that would get me permabanned from this forum if I linked them; I know I've read logs like that before. Can you say the same about BoB without resorting to a one-time event or lie? Props to Locus Bey as well, who keeps having to fight off the same half-logic responses. It's really annoying when you have about 10 people fervently posting against you, all following the same strategy of twisting your post into something it isn't, and then doing the opposite and calling you on it. I'm glad all I had to deal with was Snowden Vel. Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin "I make it no secret: I make posts. Yes, mostly they are based on false logic or pure assumption, hell, sometimes I just decide to make the content up. The point is that this is a forum, it's not about being right, it's about trying to post as many points in a single thread as I possibly can in order to batter people into either siding with me or ignoring my posts. That is a glimpse into my life." - *Average GoonSwarm EVE-O poster* Fix't for ya. Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: Locus Bey No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons. Back to what I said earlier, if you find getting blown up to be degrading then maybe you're taking this a little too personally. Wow. Huuuuuge jump here.... Uh, he doesn't like that your group relies on shock humor and essentially the crudest possible satire, so he therefore does not appreciate getting killed in EVE? What the hell is this trying to prove? Hm... wasn't someone trying to disprove me based on using "straw men arguments" before? I think they need to refer to your post here for a better example of a straw man, just for future reference.(Although...they probably know already, since they used the straw men accusations AS a straw man argument...) Maybe I'll post again later, but I don't usually get responses to my posts when I stop letting them twist the arguments easily.[In Goon-related threads, anyway.]
Nymos Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.03 10:06:00 - [744] Remedial went to jail? hillarious. thanks to the OP, good read, nicely written. quick, everyone hop on the anti goon bandwaggon lead by Sir Lolle :) -- Every time a carebear dies an angel gets their wings (murder one)
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.03 10:07:00 - [745] I just don't see who's getting degraded here, so I don't know where to start looking. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango
Sorcerror	Posted - 2007.06.03 10:28:00 - [746] This guy just have poor understanding of fact all goon "asholery" is just comedy, and thats what differs them from others, while all do same (pirating, being *******s, fighting others) , only goons openly confirm that. They are good people btw , with weird, but fun and open sence humor beavis-&-butthead style. And well, this thread is feeding goons, right ... just more another thread made by plain and square-headed person.
MADMAT Minmatar Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.03 11:07:00 - [747] Im a so called "pubbie" in goonswarm and I have nothing negative what so ever to say about these guys, infact the whole time since DPG joined GS they have been nothing but helpful balh blah blah ... IMO this guy joined when the heat was on, full scale events were happening and the one thing we can all say about goons are, we are passionate. Things are said and done in the heat of the moment and if you want to get all righteous over a pc game, do us a favor quit eve and put you $9.95/ month towards helping some 3rd world country, then we might give a **** about what you think.
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.06.03 11:41:00 - [748] Why don't you tell us what your real argument is then? To me, It sounds to me exactly like the same tired whining cloaked in pseudo-intellectualism that we have all heard 10,000 times before that boils down to: "I disapprove of the way you have fun, as it offends my delicate sensibilities as a morally upstanding internet spaceship driver" Guess what. We don't care what you think just so long as your ship explodes real purdy. It's pretty funny when you get all excited and blustered about losing your precious collection of bytes on a some server in the UK too. Yes you do offend "my delicate sensibilities as a morally upstanding internet spaceship driver." Racism, sexism, and a juvenile lack of conscience, yes they p*** me off. They have no place on the forums, and shouldn't in the game. The disingenuous postings here to cover over the fact that the Goons are out to wreck EvE, whether through calculation, or general wanton idiocy, deserve a repudiation. And if after much protestation on your behalf you still say you don't care, either you are proving you lack the basic and fundamental intellectual and emotional prowess to take a long hard look at your behaviour, or your making admission of your desire to kill EvE.
SFShootme The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.06.03 11:42:00 - [749] Nice post bro, enjoyed reading it... Alltough i couldn't agree on all fronts. - Tho shall give Life, for Life.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.03 12:07:00 - [750] It was a clear, level-headed post does does not demonize either side of the conflict. Overall your writing style was good too, just academic enough for me to read it as fast as I read undergraduate papers. Since most of the Goons seem to agree with your assesment of their character (and their posts seem to support your claims) and your plea to CCP to remedie their record low confidence was so well played out. . . 10/10. Oh, when you find your next corp, please tell us why and how you came to that. yours,



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