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Kramer Verone
Amarr
TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.06.14 01:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Namingway
Maybe if CCP were to take legal action against people like this, and publicize the results, people would be less inclined to risk everything on stupid acts.
It cannot be done as he resides in a country where any such conviction in an Icelandic court cannot be enforced. Next time, the damaging material will simply be hosted by people in such countries, and there's nothing CCP can do.
There's always a way around for the thousands of people that CCP made an enemy of. See, people take this game too seriously.
Hey Dark Shikari, what you said about Kungs sure is in line with what he said himself about his motives. Not to destroy CCP, but force them to acknowledge their mistakes and make the reparations like a honest company would.
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Isyel
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.14 16:13:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Kramer Verone
Originally by: Namingway
Maybe if CCP were to take legal action against people like this, and publicize the results, people would be less inclined to risk everything on stupid acts.
It cannot be done as he resides in a country where any such conviction in an Icelandic court cannot be enforced. Next time, the damaging material will simply be hosted by people in such countries, and there's nothing CCP can do.
There's always a way around for the thousands of people that CCP made an enemy of. See, people take this game too seriously.
Hey Dark Shikari, what you said about Kungs sure is in line with what he said himself about his motives. Not to destroy CCP, but force them to acknowledge their mistakes and make the reparations like a honest company would.
You really, actually, believe that? 
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2007.06.14 16:29:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Isyel
Originally by: Kramer Verone
Originally by: Namingway
Maybe if CCP were to take legal action against people like this, and publicize the results, people would be less inclined to risk everything on stupid acts.
It cannot be done as he resides in a country where any such conviction in an Icelandic court cannot be enforced. Next time, the damaging material will simply be hosted by people in such countries, and there's nothing CCP can do.
There's always a way around for the thousands of people that CCP made an enemy of. See, people take this game too seriously.
Hey Dark Shikari, what you said about Kungs sure is in line with what he said himself about his motives. Not to destroy CCP, but force them to acknowledge their mistakes and make the reparations like a honest company would.
You really, actually, believe that?
Actually anyone with half a brain do. Nothing of what he did was negative to the comunity at all, although to CCP it was.
Between CCP and Kug I would put my trust in the second anytime. CCP has proven time and time again, by its internal incoherence, inability to enforce rules to their employees and tendency to cover up things to be untrustworthy. Even if you think kug is an unescrupulous bastard, what would you think of a company that if not for him would still be covering T20 story and saying everything was ok? A company that banned a playing customer for showing THEIR mistakes in the best totalitarian way. And hypocritically think thay have any moral grounds to criticize him or to complain about him in blogs.
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Snake Jankins
Minmatar
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.14 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 14/06/2007 21:39:36
The good thing is that we got interalaffairs now. Although I believe that most CCP employees and volunteers do a good job most of the time, it's for sure that incorrect things happen.
I currently trust IA that they investigate as they should, when they get to know something.
They also have a preventive function. If you know you are about to do something incorrect for whatever reason, you don't really like the idea that IA might roll everything up again later and bring it to the higher authorities in CCP and that IA insists on taking care of that issue. So IA surely has also a preventive function.
Like I said, I trust them. If it ever shows that IA is not trustworthy or that higher authorities in CCP don't let them do their job correct, then I leave and hope others do the same.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:24:00 -
[275]
People maybe know that I am quite critical towards CCP and how they handle things (sometimes).
But this time I say: thumbs up, CCP!
Drag the criminal into court and make him pay for his crimes, because nothing else it was.
One thing is for sure, I will NOT stop playing Eve because of this.
Heads up at CCP, every misery is a challenge and a chance to growth and development. Use this chance!
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2007.06.14 23:30:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Gnulpie
People maybe know that I am quite critical towards CCP and how they handle things (sometimes).
But this time I say: thumbs up, CCP!
Drag the criminal into court and make him pay for his crimes, because nothing else it was.
One thing is for sure, I will NOT stop playing Eve because of this.
Heads up at CCP, every misery is a challenge and a chance to growth and development. Use this chance!
First of all crime is a term only appliable to criminal justice, of which non-disclosure agreements are not part in any country in this world. These agreements are contracts, instruments of civil law. Which means that in the best of the best of the cases all they could get would be a fee. A fee that will always be impossible to be charged unless the offender is in a place where the contract holds. Which excludes most of the world.
So I say, let them try. In Internet times threatening people in other countries with civil actions seldom works. I didn't like what the guy fif and the personal data he disclosed indiscriminately. But I think CCP will play a fools errand trying to go to court. Best of luck to your lawyers guys. You will need it...
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.06.15 04:27:00 -
[277]
So when are we going to get more details on the changes you are making to prevent this from happening again?
Personally I'm getting the impression of the same ole same ole since no one from CCP has posted in here since the first couple days, and its no longer has a sticky.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.06.15 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
... this inceident just shows a very clear fact .. that some of the player base are nothing more than lowlifes who will violate any sort of ethical or moral code...
K started it then mittani continued it and now we got ppl like shamis who are activly support k by hosting his **** site etc
You forgot your 'friends' in your alliance. Those who leaked out real life info of K and tried to call his employer so that he got fired from his job. And then you come up and say that hosting a forum is sick and needs banishment and all?
Your argument is also ridiculous. CCP violated their own rules. Look at the t20 incident for example, but also at others. Someone came up with the incident and made it public. And now your say that this someone caused the damage? Could it be that you mix up cause and effect a tiny little bit here?
I think that you are too involved into this game and that you cannot think clear because of this any more and that your perception is heavily biased. Maybe take a break from the game and relax your mind, that helps sometimes.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.06.16 18:26:00 -
[279]
Originally by: CCP kieron
Edited by: CCP kieron on 12/06/2007 14:50:53
Edit, continued: We are instituting a major change to the manner in which correspondence with players is handled, as well as who has permission to view forum warnings, etc. More information will be posted as it is made available.
When can we expect this additional information?
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.16 19:29:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Coward alt rambeling
K's info wasnt posted , and what was said was after he started his crap about hacking other ppls forums so he aint the knight in shiney armor , he is just a big example of rl scum criminals who break rl privacy laws just so they can swing their epeens in a virtual game. If k and shamis were in my country they would have been happily enjoing 5 to 7 years of prison for hacking so stuff it .
T20 is a CCP employeee he aint all of CCP, unless ofc ur tiny mind doesnt get that CCP is a corporation not a 1 man thing , k ! He messed up and he got puniched , just like any employee in any company who breaks laws but ofc the teen emo rage that some ppl have here had to go foam on the mouth and keep rambeling about it even if they die to an npc in a belt.
My personal info got outed in that ISD leak and my forum account has been hacked twice so dont even try to lecture me about being involved or not mr alty , now run along now and ramble somewhere else.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2007.06.17 03:58:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
K's info wasnt posted , and what was said was after he started his crap about hacking other ppls forums so he aint the knight in shiney armor , he is just a big example of rl scum criminals who break rl privacy laws just so they can swing their epeens in a virtual game. If k and shamis were in my country they would have been happily enjoing 5 to 7 years of prison for hacking so stuff it .
If CCP was a company in my country it would be happily enjoying lots of class actions. K. and shamis would be exactly like they are, only richer, because CCP would have to pay lots of money to them.
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T20 is a CCP employeee he aint all of CCP, unless ofc ur tiny mind doesnt get that CCP is a corporation not a 1 man thing , k ! He messed up and he got puniched , just like any employee in any company who breaks laws but ofc the teen emo rage that some ppl have here had to go foam on the mouth and keep rambeling about it even if they die to an npc in a belt.
T20 is an employee who blatantly exploited the game in favor of a player faction. He wasn't punished, he is still working for CCP. CCP tolerated his acts while trying to cover for them as they did again and again for God know how many times. CCP shows extreme incompetence when it cannot enforce adequate behaviour not even regarding their own employees. While CCP continue doing this this case, and many others, will be broguth to light time and time again and there is nothing they or much more insignificantly you can do about it. So grim and bear it. And spare us of your whinings.
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My personal info got outed in that ISD leak and my forum account has been hacked twice so dont even try to lecture me about being involved or not mr alty , now run along now and ramble somewhere else.
If your forum account was hacked the one to blame for it is most likely you. Forum accounts are mostly hacked based on the stupidity of the user.
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Kyo Makamoto
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.17 22:44:00 -
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Now it is clear to me why there are already 47 pages on the PotBS forums of eve players just waiting for that game to start...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 05:01:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Kyo Makamoto
Now it is clear to me why there are already 47 pages on the PotBS forums of eve players just waiting for that game to start...
PotBS was ruined a few months ago when it was announced that you wouldn't lose your ship when you died and the map would be reset every month to avoid any one side becoming too powerful.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.06.18 07:04:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kyo Makamoto
Now it is clear to me why there are already 47 pages on the PotBS forums of eve players just waiting for that game to start...
PotBS was ruined a few months ago when it was announced that you wouldn't lose your ship when you died and the map would be reset every month to avoid any one side becoming too powerful.
Hmm you do actually lose your ship. They have so many points, and each time it dies it loses 1 point. So after a few deaths or so you do lose it.
I do believe EVE will lose players to it, at least initially, some will come back after playing it. I think probably it will be less than a 10% loss initially for EVE.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:28:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
K's info wasnt posted , and what was said was after he started his crap about hacking other ppls forums so he aint the knight in shiney armor , he is just a big example of rl scum criminals who break rl privacy laws just so they can swing their epeens in a virtual game. If k and shamis were in my country they would have been happily enjoing 5 to 7 years of prison for hacking so stuff it .
If CCP was a company in my country it would be happily enjoying lots of class actions. K. and shamis would be exactly like they are, only richer, because CCP would have to pay lots of money to them.
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T20 is a CCP employeee he aint all of CCP, unless ofc ur tiny mind doesnt get that CCP is a corporation not a 1 man thing , k ! He messed up and he got puniched , just like any employee in any company who breaks laws but ofc the teen emo rage that some ppl have here had to go foam on the mouth and keep rambeling about it even if they die to an npc in a belt.
T20 is an employee who blatantly exploited the game in favor of a player faction. He wasn't punished, he is still working for CCP. CCP tolerated his acts while trying to cover for them as they did again and again for God know how many times. CCP shows extreme incompetence when it cannot enforce adequate behaviour not even regarding their own employees. While CCP continue doing this this case, and many others, will be broguth to light time and time again and there is nothing they or much more insignificantly you can do about it. So grim and bear it. And spare us of your whinings.
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My personal info got outed in that ISD leak and my forum account has been hacked twice so dont even try to lecture me about being involved or not mr alty , now run along now and ramble somewhere else.
If your forum account was hacked the one to blame for it is most likely you. Forum accounts are mostly hacked based on the stupidity of the user.
I was going to say something about your whine Yazoul, but then Etho said most of it.
This time i got to say a bit of a word in favour of CCP, they seem to be handling this particular case well.
And we can't actually blame them, it was one guy, who happily did something utterly stupid, unfortunately civil laws don't apply here.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:28:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Dionisius
Another load of rubbish
You and etho look pretty much stupid as each other and you seem to share the small narrow mind about hating ingame eneties so all what happens to them is good mentality so i wont even bother with your drival.
Etho must feel bad that you aitn part of cow anymore coz you cant keep a lvl of respect for your own alliance m8s eih ?
Anyway i am done repling to both of ya and keep flaming , i get entertained reading both ur delusions.
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Icome4u
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:43:00 -
[287]
Hmm if you honestly think no legal actions can be taken... think again.
Go have a talk with your lawyer and ask him what legal actions can be taken (both against the individual, CCP and the forums that hosted the information) if your private information has been leaked out.
Or simply convo me, i'll be glad to tell you all about my years in law school and what stuff was ram down my throat
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If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
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Dionisius
Gallente
Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:11:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Dionisius
Another load of rubbish
You and etho look pretty much stupid as each other and you seem to share the small narrow mind about hating ingame eneties so all what happens to them is good mentality so i wont even bother with your drival.
Etho must feel bad that you aitn part of cow anymore coz you cant keep a lvl of respect for your own alliance m8s eih ?
Anyway i am done repling to both of ya and keep flaming , i get entertained reading both ur delusions.
No matey stupidity and a narrow mind lies on your side actually.
I was and am not enough of a hipocrit to say that CCP was 100% right on the T20 case, your alliance buddies involved in that s**t should have been kicked in the arse for good out of this game also, no just Kug for hacking and blackmailling your arses.
As for the rest what court/judge is going to pick up a case involving a game and lists of people, lists that as CCP acknowledged down even refer to billing or other private data, and what are you going to say about Kug?Do you know who he is?Where he is?Have proof that is the same person?If i recall your alliance tried to expose his private data for the public also, oh that is a crime in certain countries matey so shut about that matter cuz i'm guessing that Kug has more info proving your doings in that matter that you have on him so good luck just trying.
As for the final, the account hacked, well too bad for you, as Etho said most accounts that are hacked are due to the stupity of their owners that share/store/don't change passwords in a timely fashion.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:15:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Icome4u
Hmm if you honestly think no legal actions can be taken... think again.
Go have a talk with your lawyer and ask him what legal actions can be taken (both against the individual, CCP and the forums that hosted the information) if your private information has been leaked out.
Or simply convo me, i'll be glad to tell you all about my years in law school and what stuff was ram down my throat
Was it sensitive private info?What country are we talking about?Proof?Were did the info appeared first?Who did it?With what intent?Has it damaged CCP in any way?
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What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:04:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Icome4u
Hmm if you honestly think no legal actions can be taken... think again.
Go have a talk with your lawyer and ask him what legal actions can be taken (both against the individual, CCP and the forums that hosted the information) if your private information has been leaked out.
Or simply convo me, i'll be glad to tell you all about my years in law school and what stuff was ram down my throat
Was it sensitive private info?What country are we talking about?Proof?Were did the info appeared first?Who did it?With what intent?Has it damaged CCP in any way?
So you're saying that the revealed names and private emails of thousands of people aren't private info, and haven't damaged CCP?
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Dionisius
Gallente
Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:14:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Icome4u
Hmm if you honestly think no legal actions can be taken... think again.
Go have a talk with your lawyer and ask him what legal actions can be taken (both against the individual, CCP and the forums that hosted the information) if your private information has been leaked out.
Or simply convo me, i'll be glad to tell you all about my years in law school and what stuff was ram down my throat
Was it sensitive private info?What country are we talking about?Proof?Were did the info appeared first?Who did it?With what intent?Has it damaged CCP in any way?
So you're saying that the revealed names and private emails of thousands of people aren't private info, and haven't damaged CCP?
Billing info > emails.
Email accounts can be either changed or deleted without loss for its owner, just the trouble of warning the contacts of what happened and the new email address.
If it has damaged CCP, well CCP itself no, the volunteer program yes, but most important Kieron report that CCP has overcome the situation and dealt with it in a sensible and prompt way and the person responsible for this as been punished.
What more is needed?
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What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.06.20 05:42:00 -
[292]
CCP promised that we'd get more information on changes to prevent in the future, they have not given such information. Instead they quietly unstickied this and started the Revelations II rollout.
Since some of the emails contained personal data, including real names, in some cases phone numbers as well, then CCP has an obligation to notify each and every individual who may be harmed by this. They should have mailed all customers involved informing them of the breach and the possibility of compromised personal data.
There are individuals that most likely used the email provided who are no longer subscribers and also no longer visit here, and thus have no idea of the breach.
I'm surprised one of the gaming sites hasn't said more on it yet. If this wasn't secure, what is at CCP is my question?
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Bizz Lizz
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Posted - 2007.06.20 05:52:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Dionisius
Email accounts can be either changed or deleted without loss for its owner, just the trouble of warning the contacts of what happened and the new email address.
Some of the emails can contain confidental stuff that is not for the public. Just because you can't imagine such cases doesn't mean they exist e.g. like a case where a third person is involved, who tries to get you banned for some reasons. I had a case like that, won't go into details.
Maybe you understand that I don't like my email address, real life name and the whole conversation to be disclosed. I had luck that it wasn't, because it didn't happen during that period of time.
Originally by: Dionisius
If it has damaged CCP, well CCP itself no, the volunteer program yes, but most important Kieron report that CCP has overcome the situation and dealt with it in a sensible and prompt way and the person responsible for this as been punished.
What more is needed?
Here I agree.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.23 09:38:00 -
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To those that are suprised that we have yet to recieve any reasurance that info will not be released again like it was before and instead Rev II was rolled out, this thread unstickied (in hoped that it will go away):
Welcome to EVE
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:49:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Richard Aiel
To those that are suprised that we have yet to recieve any reasurance that info will not be released again like it was before and instead Rev II was rolled out, this thread unstickied (in hoped that it will go away):
Welcome to EVE
How can CCP magically assure that no more info is given out?
They can try to minimize the chance of it happening, but they can't eliminate the possibility of it occurring again.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.24 05:27:00 -
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Yeah, they can hire trustworthy... o nvm...
They can have em sign Non Dis.... o nvm...
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vindictive Behavior
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2007.06.24 22:12:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Bizz Lizz
Originally by: Dionisius
Email accounts can be either changed or deleted without loss for its owner, just the trouble of warning the contacts of what happened and the new email address.
Some of the emails can contain confidental stuff that is not for the public. Just because you can't imagine such cases doesn't mean they exist e.g. like a case where a third person is involved, who tries to get you banned for some reasons. I had a case like that, won't go into details.
Maybe you understand that I don't like my email address, real life name and the whole conversation to be disclosed. I had luck that it wasn't, because it didn't happen during that period of time.
Well i have to ask this, would a sensible company give access to confidential material to a element belonging to a Volunteer program?
I certainly CCP doesn't.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.25 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Bizz Lizz
Originally by: Dionisius
Email accounts can be either changed or deleted without loss for its owner, just the trouble of warning the contacts of what happened and the new email address.
Some of the emails can contain confidental stuff that is not for the public. Just because you can't imagine such cases doesn't mean they exist e.g. like a case where a third person is involved, who tries to get you banned for some reasons. I had a case like that, won't go into details.
Maybe you understand that I don't like my email address, real life name and the whole conversation to be disclosed. I had luck that it wasn't, because it didn't happen during that period of time.
Well i have to ask this, would a sensible company give access to confidential material to a element belonging to a Volunteer program?
I certainly CCP doesn't.
How are volunteers supposed to respond to emails sent to them if they can't read them?
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.25 16:49:00 -
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simple! dump the volunteers, hire professionals... better professionals that is...
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Edited by: CCP kieron on 12/06/2007 14:50:53
Edit, continued: We are instituting a major change to the manner in which correspondence with players is handled, as well as who has permission to view forum warnings, etc. More information will be posted as it is made available.
So when might this information become available?
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