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Finally, we are investigating a number of policy and information access changes with the intention of preventing further acts of this nature.

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Originally by: Gabrielle Black

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A forum moderator went postal and gave out communications of players to the moderators and vice versa? As I've sent moderators emails in the past, I know that they always want my character's name in there, so now everybody and their dog has my character's name associated with my personal, and very likely work email addresses, along with any communications I've had with CCP?

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private communication between team members, e-mails sent to the forum moderation team from community members, notifications of warnings and bans, and other legally protected and confidential communication.

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Originally by: Takahashi Arran

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... stuff ...

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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane

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As punishment he is banned from playing a game?

Even though this might seem appropriate to you, I would suggest talking to authorities/lawyers about this. Blatent breach of an NDA can be litigated, breach of customer privacy is punishable by law in many places.

This also raises the question of how this volunteer could get a hold of all this information. Screenshots and chat channels are one thing, private e-mails between team-members, customers, mods, etc. are another. As a concerned customer, please assure me that my personal details have not been exposed, or better yet, can not be exposed. Surely you keep my private information (creditcard details for example) away from volunteers (or other people that have no business with that information).

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Originally by: Hamfast

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Originally by: Takahashi Arran

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I guess we should be glad it was "Leaked" to a site that would take it down and not one dedicated to the destruction of Eve and CCP...

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Originally by: Rawne Karrde

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PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.

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Originally by: Tetsujin

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If the rumor that it was the ISD chap's roommate who did it is true then this is hilarious because there is going to be one hell of a row in that house tonight.

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Originally by: Tetsujin

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If the rumor that it was the ISD chap's roommate who did it is true then this is hilarious because there is going to be one hell of a row in that house tonight.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane

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Bartholomeus, I did mention the game ban. At this point, any mention of legal action is premature hence its omission from the post.

As for information available to volunteers, information is compartmentalized and based on need-to-know. Forum moderators can't filter bug reports, the event team can't review forum warnings, etc.

No volunteers can see any billing information, in fact that information is restricted to a small group of paid CCP staff involved with resolving payment issues. Nobody has direct access to full credit card details, only our billing provider Median.

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Originally by: Tetsujin

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If the rumor that it was the ISD chap's roommate who did it is true then this is hilarious because there is going to be one hell of a row in that house tonight.

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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And it was a 4.5mb download from "That site" from november 06 by the tag taht was on it afaik

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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Cos privacy laws in iceland are tight... afaik its dodgy even for internal departments to share info?

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Originally by: Takahashi Arran

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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And it was a 4.5mb download from "That site" from november 06 by the tag taht was on it afaik

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It was all correspondance since july 06

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Originally by: Lee Bian

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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Cos privacy laws in iceland are tight... afaik its dodgy even for internal departments to share info?

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I don't know if you're replying to me, but my suggestion wouldn't post any private info. I was thinking more like a link under a player's name with a list like:
[date][player name] warned for trolling
[date][player name] temp banned for account sharing

Things like that. Or maybe a seperate page that lists recent warnings and bans (like the one on the Something Awful forums).

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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CCP dont want to. Its an idea to warn ppl not to be idiotic however modding is somewhat hit and miss sometimes. Much like petitions... if consistant rules were followed then maybe it might work.

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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and that account sharing thing... was interesting to see who got banned... and who just got a warning...

touche no?

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Originally by: Lee Bian

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How would it be a bad thing if it showed the petitions being inconsistant? I mean that would be something to fix, and it would get players to be able to see if they are being treated unfairly. We're all after a good and fair game, and to be able to check if it is as fair as I want it to be would be pretty cool.

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Also I want to laugh at the reasons people get banned over.

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and that account sharing thing... was interesting to see who got banned... and who just got a warning...

touche no?

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Please elaborate, I didn't read it.

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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hmm... certain ppl got ban/temps for sharing. Others got a warning. Without a breakdown from CCP (no fracking way will they) there is no total proof... but it did seam rather onesided shall we say?

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Originally by: Slayton Ford

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There is ample evidence of different (or even no) penalties for various players. For example, a leader of a major alliance posted RL info on Eve-O and was not banned. Others have been suspended or banned for just linking a eve related website in game.

By letting the players know who has been suspended/banned, the player base will then have the capability to evaluate if CCP has been fair in its punishements.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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This morning, an issue was brought to the attention of CCP staff that a third-party forum was the recipient of information provided by a member of the ISD Program. The volunteer posted a number of screenshots and then provided another player with the text of warnings and actions taken by CCP and Volunteer staff on a number of high-profile EVE community members. The leak then posted chat logs of the chat channel he was in, including his affected shock and outrage at these actions. His final act was to forward a large e-mail dump including private communication between team members, e-mails sent to the forum moderation team from community members, notifications of warnings and bans, and other legally protected and confidential communication.

When this was brought to the attention of the Internal Affairs team, they rapidly investigated the situation and swiftly uncovered the leak. A short-time later, the volunteer was stripped of his ISD-related access, expelled from the volunteer program and permanently banned from EVE. Further investigations are ongoing to determine if the volunteer was acting on his own or with the assistance of other players and/or volunteers. Needless to say, the CCP staff involved in the investigation are thoroughly disgusted by the actions taken by this volunteer and dealt with this misconduct in what we feel is the most just and severe manner possible.

This is the Volunteer Team's most severe breach of the Terms of Service and Non-Disclosure Agreement to date. Not only was this a betrayal of the volunteer team, but of the EVE community as a whole. Those involved with the management and administration of the volunteer program want the player base to know that any misconduct by a volunteer will be dealt with in the most severe manner possible.

Finally, we are investigating a number of policy and information access changes with the intention of preventing further acts of this nature.

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Originally by: Dal Thrax

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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This morning, an issue was brought to the attention of CCP staff that a third-party forum was the recipient of information provided by a member of the ISD Program. The volunteer posted a number of screenshots and then provided another player with the text of warnings and actions taken by CCP and Volunteer staff on a number of high-profile EVE community members. The leak then posted chat logs of the chat channel he was in, including his affected shock and outrage at these actions. His final act was to forward a large e-mail dump including private communication between team members, e-mails sent to the forum moderation team from community members, notifications of warnings and bans, and other legally protected and confidential communication.

When this was brought to the attention of the Internal Affairs team, they rapidly investigated the situation and swiftly uncovered the leak. A short-time later, the volunteer was stripped of his ISD-related access, expelled from the volunteer program and permanently banned from EVE. Further investigations are ongoing to determine if the volunteer was acting on his own or with the assistance of other players and/or volunteers. Needless to say, the CCP staff involved in the investigation are thoroughly disgusted by the actions taken by this volunteer and dealt with this misconduct in what we feel is the most just and severe manner possible.

This is the Volunteer Team's most severe breach of the Terms of Service and Non-Disclosure Agreement to date. Not only was this a betrayal of the volunteer team, but of the EVE community as a whole. Those involved with the management and administration of the volunteer program want the player base to know that any misconduct by a volunteer will be dealt with in the most severe manner possible.

Finally, we are investigating a number of policy and information access changes with the intention of preventing further acts of this nature.

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Hum need to go find out what got that guy so rilled. While I agree with CCP that such things are unexceptable I see two issues here:

1) The volunteers breach of the NDA and

2) The implications of whatever information was released.

Both need to be dealt with but as I havn't logged on to the appropriate sites to find the leak yet I can't comment on number 2. Hope this is a tempest in a teapot.

Dal

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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh

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And as all students of history know, mob rule has always led to flawless justice...

Having the information available and having the capability to make a judgement based on that information are two utterly separate things.

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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh

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And as all students of history know, mob rule has always led to flawless justice...

Having the information available and having the capability to make a judgement based on that information are two utterly separate things.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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Originally by: Sasakisan

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Now that CCP is in the big leagues, perhaps the volunteer program has outlived its usefulness.

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Originally by: Lee Bian

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Edited by: Lee Bian on 11/06/2007 18:42:46

Originally by: SamuraiJack

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CCP dont want to. Its an idea to warn ppl not to be idiotic however modding is somewhat hit and miss sometimes. Much like petitions... if consistant rules were followed then maybe it might work.

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How would it be a bad thing if it showed the petitions being inconsistant? I mean that would be something to fix, and it would get players to be able to see if they are being treated unfairly. We're all after a good and fair game, and to be able to check if it is as fair as I want it to be would be pretty cool.

Also I want to laugh at the reasons people get banned over.

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and that account sharing thing... was interesting to see who got banned... and who just got a warning...

touche no?

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Please elaborate, I didn't read it.

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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn

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Hire professionals and quit letting immature volunteers do a half-assed job on yor behalf. This won't be the last time you will see this, especially in a game like Eve. Just wait until your retail box hits the shelf and Eve double or triples in population, it is going to keep getting worse and worse until CCP changes it policies.

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 11/06/2007 23:05:45
Would you recommend password changes to users?
Is there any chance, however slight, that passwords might have been divulged by the above mentioned action?
Is it a reasonable precaution?
*Account names/E-Mail associations have been revealed I presume?

*Edit.

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Originally by: Ohmi Sohaawny

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 11/06/2007 23:05:45
Would you recommend password changes to users?
Is there any chance, however slight, that passwords might have been divulged by the above mentioned action?
Is it a reasonable precaution?
*Account names/E-Mail associations have been revealed I presume?

*Edit.

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It's a good idea to do this on a regular basis anyway. You may as well do so, even if there is no such possibility.

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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Originally by: Ohmi Sohaawny

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 11/06/2007 23:05:45
Would you recommend password changes to users?
Is there any chance, however slight, that passwords might have been divulged by the above mentioned action?
Is it a reasonable precaution?
*Account names/E-Mail associations have been revealed I presume?

*Edit.

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It's a good idea to do this on a regular basis anyway. You may as well do so, even if there is no such possibility.

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I usually do anyway, true. But, this whole thing is rather unexpected. Oh well, just changed the password on my account to be safe. Just worried that people have USER NAMES - as such can hookup some sort of a random password generator to guess the passwords.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP

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Originally by: Ionia

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...He pasted my name and email address and said "is this you?"

Not a nice thing to find out about. I have nothing in these logs that would disgrace me in any way, just normal communication, but knowing that my information was exposed for the world to see isn't nice at all.

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Having read said logs (July '06-April '07) which I downloaded from SHC before it was removed, I can say there's a ton of information in there. Real life names, e-mailadresses (both private and work), even phonenumbers and accountnames.

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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That is what I am worried about, the fact that someone has an E-Mail Address + Account+Phone Number is a huge security risk, it is a veritable plethora of information to a sophisticated hacker.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/06/2007 03:29:27

Originally by: Jinx Barker

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That is what I am worried about, the fact that someone has an E-Mail Address + Account+Phone Number is a huge security risk, it is a veritable plethora of information to a sophisticated hacker.

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I have been searching dozens of friends of mine in the leaked logs to notify them of possible leaks and I have not found anything other than names and emails.

Still bad, but not as bad as phone numbers/accounts/etc.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/06/2007 03:29:27

Originally by: Jinx Barker

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That is what I am worried about, the fact that someone has an E-Mail Address + Account+Phone Number is a huge security risk, it is a veritable plethora of information to a sophisticated hacker.

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I have been searching dozens of friends of mine in the leaked logs to notify them of possible leaks and I have not found anything other than names and emails.

Still bad, but not as bad as phone numbers/accounts/etc.

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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That is what I am worried about, the fact that someone has an E-Mail Address + Account+Phone Number is a huge security risk, it is a veritable plethora of information to a sophisticated hacker.

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I have been searching dozens of friends of mine in the leaked logs to notify them of possible leaks and I have not found anything other than names and emails.

Still bad, but not as bad as phone numbers/accounts/etc.

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Well, DS, I am not in game at the moment, do me a favour - search for my name and see what pops up. Just eve-mail me the results, I would really appreciate it.

Worst comes to worst, if my account information is out there I will create a new one and do a character transfer, to nip it in the bud, will deal with the cost and stuff later.

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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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That is what I am worried about, the fact that someone has an E-Mail Address + Account+Phone Number is a huge security risk, it is a veritable plethora of information to a sophisticated hacker.

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I have been searching dozens of friends of mine in the leaked logs to notify them of possible leaks and I have not found anything other than names and emails.

Still bad, but not as bad as phone numbers/accounts/etc.

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Log Entry: The bombs materialized right over the monitoring stations! We were right on target. Looks like our little friends here got every one of our teeny presents, exactly in the right spot. Also, the fake monitoring signal is now online, streaming from our new satellites. The aliens never knew, and will never know what hit them! Were not going to let anyone interfere with our conquest of space.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Edited by: pershphanie on 12/06/2007 06:17:25

Edited by: pershphanie on 12/06/2007 05:22:24
Well first off I'd like to give a big *snip* Inappropriate -Rauth to ISD for releasing my R/L info publicly. Thx for that.

Hey CCP, how about hiring a couple people for ISD instead *snip*?

I guess I really shouldn't be paying for eve with a credit card anymore. Seems my assumption that my personal info was secure was a bit naive. WTB - GTC

I dunno what the ISD guy thinks I did to deserve that. I may not be the most liked person in eve, but I play by the rules and respect the boundaries. Wish I could say the same for everyone else involved with eve. This *snip*is getting old real fast. Their shouldn't be out of game consequences for people who keep their eve life in game. Can I get the ingame regular character names of ISD members so I don't **** them off ingame so they dont mess with my RL?

*snip* Inappropriate -Rauth

Question to the eve community: How comfortable to you feel with your personal info in the hands of semi-anonymous eve player volunteers?

Please don't use profanity. Thanks, Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])

Please don't make personal info public. Thanks, persh

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Originally by: kieron

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The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Question to the eve community: How comfortable to you feel with your personal info in the hands of semi-anonymous eve player volunteers?

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Having read said logs (July '06-April '07) which I downloaded from SHC before it was removed

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Originally by: das licht

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OMG, if I was CCP/DEV I would directly go and speak to the police. That clearly is a criminal act. Where smoke is, there's mostly fire too. Combined with the fact that there is ISK sellers around, you can never know who or what has infiltrated you.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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I have been searching dozens of friends of mine in the leaked logs to notify them of possible leaks and I have not found anything other than names and emails.

Still bad, but not as bad as phone numbers/accounts/etc.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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It's interesting that I'm having so much effect that it is annoying those abusing me in real life but I suggest if you can't separate the game from your rl then maybe your fervoured cult has gone a bit far. Time to put down the forums and go hang with your real life friends and family for a while and see how amusing they think what you do is.

dbp

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Originally by: mazzilliu

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Can we remove personal information from the hands of volunteers now?

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Will we get an option to have the usernames changed now when they have been compromised?

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Originally by: Vando

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Will we get an option to have the usernames changed now when they have been compromised?

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If you have a proper password, having your account name released should pose no unduly high risk to your account security.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Edited by: pershphanie on 12/06/2007 06:17:25

Edited by: pershphanie on 12/06/2007 05:22:24
Well first off I'd like to give a big *snip* Inappropriate -Rauth to ISD for releasing my R/L info publicly. Thx for that.

Hey CCP, how about hiring a couple people for ISD instead *snip*?

I guess I really shouldn't be paying for eve with a credit card anymore. Seems my assumption that my personal info was secure was a bit naive. WTB - GTC

I dunno what the ISD guy thinks I did to deserve that. I may not be the most liked person in eve, but I play by the rules and respect the boundaries. Wish I could say the same for everyone else involved with eve. This *snip*is getting old real fast. Their shouldn't be out of game consequences for people who keep their eve life in game. Can I get the ingame regular character names of ISD members so I don't **** them off ingame so they dont mess with my RL?

*snip* Inappropriate -Rauth

Question to the eve community: How comfortable to you feel with your personal info in the hands of semi-anonymous eve player volunteers?

Please don't use profanity. Thanks, Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])

Please don't make personal info public. Thanks, persh

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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The only information in those emails would be character names and emails and what was written of course, not billing info or passwords. Moderators can not see your account names, so that has not leaked out.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Moderators can not see your account names, so that has not leaked out.

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Originally by: SOH'CAH'TOA

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is it stuff sent to kieron@ccpgames, or wrangler@ccpgames, or is it mods@ccpgames and ONLY that address?

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Unless ofcourse you listed the account names in a mail to the mods to troubleshoot a certain forum that didn't work to log in to what so ever...

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Originally by: Niedar

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Edited by: Niedar on 12/06/2007 05:50:44
I think its time to end the volunteer program and have only paid staff from now on. Course that would cost some money, dunno how much it would cut out in the profits.

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Moderators can not see your account names, so that has not leaked out.

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Unless ofcourse you listed the account names in a mail to the mods to troubleshoot a certain forum that didn't work to log in to what so ever...

Kieron, I will be greatly disappointed if the reply from [email protected] is anything but yes to my request to change my now public usernames.

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Originally by: mazzilliu

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also, why can mods see warnings but the recipients can't? if you don't have a continuous record of warning emails then you don't know how close you are to a permaban. I would argue that i need to see my warnings more then random mod #54354354 does.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Originally by: SOH'CAH'TOA

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is it stuff sent to kieron@ccpgames, or wrangler@ccpgames, or is it mods@ccpgames and ONLY that address?

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Only [email protected], emails to myself and kieron has not been leaked.

Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Unless ofcourse you listed the account names in a mail to the mods to troubleshoot a certain forum that didn't work to log in to what so ever...

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That's true of course, but you should never send your account name to the moderators. But everything you wrote in your emails to mods@ during that time was leaked.

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I would like to see the stats on alliance vs number of infractions/warnings/bans. Statistically, they should all be about the same...

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Originally by: Takahashi Arran

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overall probably yes. But if there is one thing that reading the logs revealed its that certain allainces were MUCH more aggressive when it comes to alerting mods than others.

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Originally by: Major Stormer

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Edited by: Major Stormer on 12/06/2007 13:52:03
SHC. Lack of respect. Lost my respect.

Pretty much sums up my feelings currently. You will have to work hard now CCP...

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Originally by: Wrangler

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We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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This is totally, miserably wrong.

Big letters, because people (especially CCP, it seems) have real problems with this.


At no point was the email database posted to the Scrapheap Challenge third party forums.


Not once, not posted then deleted. It was never posted.

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Please note that SCH didn't host this, they had it posted in their forums - Wrangler

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Originally by: Major Stormer

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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This is totally, miserably wrong.

Big letters, because people (especially CCP, it seems) have real problems with this.


At no point was the email database posted to the Scrapheap Challenge third party forums.


Not once, not posted then deleted. It was never posted.

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THIS

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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This is totally, miserably wrong.

Big letters, because people (especially CCP, it seems) have real problems with this.


At no point was the email database posted to the Scrapheap Challenge third party forums.


Not once, not posted then deleted. It was never posted.

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Originally by: Major Stormer

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Why did you feel it required to place blame on SHC (http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=5988), when they was not responsible for this, and the thread was completely deleted after you requested it to be?

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Originally by: Vando

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Originally by: Major Stormer

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Why did you feel it required to place blame on SHC (http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=5988), when they was not responsible for this, and the thread was completely deleted after you requested it to be?

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If the official line is going to be to blame SHC for this, I may very well quit right here, because to do so shows a complete lack of understanding of the Eve community, as well as an inability to confirm facts of what transpired.

Wrangler has stated that mails were linked to on SHC. This is ENTIRELY FALSE. Why Wrangler believes this to be true, I do not know. I am aware that he has attacked SHC for being anti-CCP and anti-ISD in the past. If by that he means people say negative things about CCP and ISD, then yes he is correct. This is what we call 'open discussion'. SHC is not a place to relentlessly bash CCP, if people post unfair criticisms they get called on them.

This may be news to you guys at CCP: you are not perfect. You make mistakes. People notice these mistakes and comment on them. But we think you're capable of working past your mistakes, as lets face it, we've been quite happy with Eve for a number of years. Almost all of the SHC posters still play the game. We're overjoyed when we hear that devs read out Game Design & Balance forum, as we seriously think our ideas will be of use. We want to help make the game better.

The villain is the ISD leaker here people. If you're going to demonise a community that cares deeply about the state of the game, then good luck to you in keeping Eve going.

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Originally by: Madscotsman

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Originally by: Vando

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Originally by: Major Stormer

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Why did you feel it required to place blame on SHC (http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=5988), when they was not responsible for this, and the thread was completely deleted after you requested it to be?

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If the official line is going to be to blame SHC for this, I may very well quit right here, because to do so shows a complete lack of understanding of the Eve community, as well as an inability to confirm facts of what transpired.

Wrangler has stated that mails were linked to on SHC. This is ENTIRELY FALSE. Why Wrangler believes this to be true, I do not know. I am aware that he has attacked SHC for being anti-CCP and anti-ISD in the past. If by that he means people say negative things about CCP and ISD, then yes he is correct. This is what we call 'open discussion'. SHC is not a place to relentlessly bash CCP, if people post unfair criticisms they get called on them.

This may be news to you guys at CCP: you are not perfect. You make mistakes. People notice these mistakes and comment on them. But we think you're capable of working past your mistakes, as lets face it, we've been quite happy with Eve for a number of years. Almost all of the SHC posters still play the game. We're overjoyed when we hear that devs read out Game Design & Balance forum, as we seriously think our ideas will be of use. We want to help make the game better.

The villain is the ISD leaker here people. If you're going to demonise a community that cares deeply about the state of the game, then good luck to you in keeping Eve going.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: Vando

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Originally by: Major Stormer

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Why did you feel it required to place blame on SHC (http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=5988), when they was not responsible for this, and the thread was completely deleted after you requested it to be?

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If the official line is going to be to blame SHC for this, I may very well quit right here, because to do so shows a complete lack of understanding of the Eve community, as well as an inability to confirm facts of what transpired.

Wrangler has stated that mails were linked to on SHC. This is ENTIRELY FALSE. Why Wrangler believes this to be true, I do not know. I am aware that he has attacked SHC for being anti-CCP and anti-ISD in the past. If by that he means people say negative things about CCP and ISD, then yes he is correct. This is what we call 'open discussion'. SHC is not a place to relentlessly bash CCP, if people post unfair criticisms they get called on them.

This may be news to you guys at CCP: you are not perfect. You make mistakes. People notice these mistakes and comment on them. But we think you're capable of working past your mistakes, as lets face it, we've been quite happy with Eve for a number of years. Almost all of the SHC posters still play the game. We're overjoyed when we hear that devs read out Game Design & Balance forum, as we seriously think our ideas will be of use. We want to help make the game better.

The villain is the ISD leaker here people. If you're going to demonise a community that cares deeply about the state of the game, then good luck to you in keeping Eve going.

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Originally by: Vando

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Originally by: Major Stormer

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Why did you feel it required to place blame on SHC (http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=5988), when they was not responsible for this, and the thread was completely deleted after you requested it to be?

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If the official line is going to be to blame SHC for this, I may very well quit right here, because to do so shows a complete lack of understanding of the Eve community, as well as an inability to confirm facts of what transpired.

Wrangler has stated that mails were linked to on SHC. This is ENTIRELY FALSE. Why Wrangler believes this to be true, I do not know. I am aware that he has attacked SHC for being anti-CCP and anti-ISD in the past. If by that he means people say negative things about CCP and ISD, then yes he is correct. This is what we call 'open discussion'. SHC is not a place to relentlessly bash CCP, if people post unfair criticisms they get called on them.

This may be news to you guys at CCP: you are not perfect. You make mistakes. People notice these mistakes and comment on them. But we think you're capable of working past your mistakes, as lets face it, we've been quite happy with Eve for a number of years. Almost all of the SHC posters still play the game. We're overjoyed when we hear that devs read out Game Design & Balance forum, as we seriously think our ideas will be of use. We want to help make the game better.

The villain is the ISD leaker here people. If you're going to demonise a community that cares deeply about the state of the game, then good luck to you in keeping Eve going.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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As for information available to volunteers, information is compartmentalized and based on need-to-know.

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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As for information available to volunteers, information is compartmentalized and based on need-to-know.

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Why does an entry level forum moderator need access to people's ingame warnings?

I fail to see how they "need to know" that.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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They're not ingame warnings. The logs posted are from the ISD moderator squad mailing list, which by definition they have to have access to.

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Originally by: Max Teranous

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At no point did anyone's personal information get posted on SHC. I know, I was F5'ing like a good one when this was happening. The e-mail database was posted on K's site, not on SHC.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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As for information available to volunteers, information is compartmentalized and based on need-to-know.

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Why does an entry level forum moderator need access to people's ingame warnings?

I fail to see how they "need to know" that.

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They're not ingame warnings. The logs posted are from the ISD moderator squad mailing list, which by definition they have to have access to.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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For the sake of clarification, CCP is not holding Scrap Heap Challenge responsible for what transpired yesterday. What transpired on their forums could have taken place on any forum, anywhere. Yes, a number of player warnings were posted to the discussion thread on SHC, but the SHC staff removed the thread when they became aware of the thread's content. SHC did not host the e-mail dump at any point in time.

I apologize if there was any impression given that CCP considers SHC a party to the events that transpired yesterday. I would also like to thank them for their efforts yesterday.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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I apologize if there was any impression given that CCP considers SHC a party to the events that transpired yesterday. I would also like to thank them for their efforts yesterday.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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SHC did not host the e-mail dump at any point in time.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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For the sake of clarification, CCP is not holding Scrap Heap Challenge responsible for what transpired yesterday. What transpired on their forums could have taken place on any forum, anywhere. Yes, a number of player warnings were posted to the discussion thread on SHC, but the SHC staff removed the thread when they became aware of the thread's content. SHC did not host the e-mail dump at any point in time.

I apologize if there was any impression given that CCP considers SHC a party to the events that transpired yesterday. I would also like to thank them for their efforts yesterday.

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Having read said logs (July '06-April '07) which I downloaded from SHC before it was removed, I can say there's a ton of information in there. Real life names, e-mailadresses (both private and work), even phonenumbers and accountnames.

A few moderators were dumb enough to reply to mails with their private e-mailadress instead of their ISD e-mail. It's possible to find out who has mod alts etc...

I even found out who has been petitioning me which resulted in forum warnings.

And no, I will *not* be sharing the logs with anyone *nor* will I be giving out information from the logs, as that would be a bannable offence.

Please note that SCH didn't host this, they had it posted in their forums - Wrangler

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Anyway, I want to offer both the EvE-Online community and the Scrapheap Challenge my apologies for any harm my post may have done, this will not happen again.

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Originally by: High Sierra

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yes.

thank you Keiron.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: Rattus Labbus

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Originally by: High Sierra

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yes.

thank you Keiron.

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This.

Also, just in case you didn't realise, High Sierra knows Derek!

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Originally by: Derek

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Edited by: Derek on 12/06/2007 16:18:02

Originally by: Rattus Labbus

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Originally by: High Sierra

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yes.

thank you Keiron.

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This.

Also, just in case you didn't realise, High Sierra knows Derek!

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Yes he does.....

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Originally by: Wrangler

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We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: M'buku

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Greetings.
I am here representing the 3rd party site in question. All references to internal communications have been removed from the site as per our policy.
The email dump was never posted on SHC. All of the events mentioned here are in no way affiliated with SHC nor have they been.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator for SHC

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Originally by: Vando

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The villain is the ISD leaker here people. If you're going to demonise a community that cares deeply about the state of the game, then good luck to you in keeping Eve going.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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However, the worst thing is the reaction by some of the players of eve. It's a game fella's, abusing me in real life because I mock you on the forums in character about the game is amusing but very sad on your part and highly ironic considering who I am getting abused by ;)

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Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: M'buku

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Greetings.
I am here representing the 3rd party site in question. All references to internal communications have been removed from the site as per our policy.
The email dump was never posted on SHC. All of the events mentioned here are in no way affiliated with SHC nor have they been.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator for SHC

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So...Scrapheap-challenge forums are controlled by BoB. No wonder there is almost no discussion of CCP miss conduct there.

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Originally by: das licht

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OMG, if I was CCP/DEV I would directly go and speak to the police. That clearly is a criminal act. Where smoke is, there's mostly fire too. Combined with the fact that there is ISK sellers around, you can never know who or what has infiltrated you.

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Originally by: Sang Raal

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You know, I cant help but wonder, would the punishment have been so swift and harsh had the outed people been Goons...

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Originally by: Vando

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Having read said logs (July '06-April '07) which I downloaded from SHC before it was removed

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You did not, as these logs were never present on SHC. Please get your facts right.

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: Vando

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Having read said logs (July '06-April '07) which I downloaded from SHC before it was removed

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You did not, as these logs were never present on SHC. Please get your facts right.

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Thats odd... thats where all the guys on someone's forum got them.... In fact theres a thread there titled what happened to the SHC thing?

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:31:00

Originally by: Sang Raal

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You know, I cant help but wonder, would the punishment have been so swift and harsh had the outed people been Goons...

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The warnings lists published included 3 Goonfleet members, meaning the leaked data was about 15% Goons.

The email archive contained every mail sent to [email protected], and thus included many Goons.

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Originally by: Sang Raal

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:31:00

Originally by: Sang Raal

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You know, I cant help but wonder, would the punishment have been so swift and harsh had the outed people been Goons...

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The warnings lists published included 3 Goonfleet members, meaning the leaked data was about 15% Goons.

The email archive contained every mail sent to [email protected], and thus included many Goons.

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So these 3 goons were random goons or corp spokesmen on the level of DBP?

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: Vando

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Having read said logs (July '06-April '07) which I downloaded from SHC before it was removed

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You did not, as these logs were never present on SHC. Please get your facts right.

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Thats odd... thats where all the guys on someone's forum got them.... In fact theres a thread there titled what happened to the SHC thing?

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See this post

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: das licht

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OMG, if I was CCP/DEV I would directly go and speak to the police. That clearly is a criminal act. Where smoke is, there's mostly fire too. Combined with the fact that there is ISK sellers around, you can never know who or what has infiltrated you.

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And its kinda sad that CCP are still reluctant to bring this breach to the proper authorities.... makes ME wonder what they're hiding...

Its the whole idea that if you steal money from someone an someone else steals it from you then you cant really call the cops without the possibility of your theft being discovered.

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Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: M'buku

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Greetings.
I am here representing the 3rd party site in question. All references to internal communications have been removed from the site as per our policy.
The email dump was never posted on SHC. All of the events mentioned here are in no way affiliated with SHC nor have they been.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator for SHC

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So...Scrapheap-challenge forums are controlled by BoB. No wonder there is almost no discussion of CCP miss conduct there.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: das licht

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OMG, if I was CCP/DEV I would directly go and speak to the police. That clearly is a criminal act. Where smoke is, there's mostly fire too. Combined with the fact that there is ISK sellers around, you can never know who or what has infiltrated you.

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And its kinda sad that CCP are still reluctant to bring this breach to the proper authorities.... makes ME wonder what they're hiding...

Its the whole idea that if you steal money from someone an someone else steals it from you then you cant really call the cops without the possibility of your theft being discovered.

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As I stated earlier in this thread, CCP is not ruling out the possibility of legal recourse against the leak and it is premature to make any sort of announcement concerning this avenue of action to the community.

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Originally by: Gavin Inzutaku

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I think it's pretty silly that people think that the ISD/Mod emails that were leaked aren't already out circulating. I myself have a copy of the .zip file. Will I read it? No. Will I hold onto it? Yes. If someone like me was able to get my hands on something like this by merely inquiring, who else doesn't have access to this and have nefarious means for its use. It's bound to happen, seeing the previous chaos caused by recent events.

meh

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Originally by: Ron White

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Originally by: Gavin Inzutaku

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I think it's pretty silly that people think that the ISD/Mod emails that were leaked aren't already out circulating. I myself have a copy of the .zip file. Will I read it? No. Will I hold onto it? Yes. If someone like me was able to get my hands on something like this by merely inquiring, who else doesn't have access to this and have nefarious means for its use. It's bound to happen, seeing the previous chaos caused by recent events.

meh

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I may be all kinds of antibob and anti-ccp but handing out ppls IRL info like its candy is a bit much....

Ppl on someone's website are handing the dl out like its nothing >.<

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Quote:

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I have been a member of BoB and BNC for aproximately 24hrs. Before which I was in my own corp for 3 months then before than I was a member of AAA.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Ron White

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Originally by: Gavin Inzutaku

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I think it's pretty silly that people think that the ISD/Mod emails that were leaked aren't already out circulating. I myself have a copy of the .zip file. Will I read it? No. Will I hold onto it? Yes. If someone like me was able to get my hands on something like this by merely inquiring, who else doesn't have access to this and have nefarious means for its use. It's bound to happen, seeing the previous chaos caused by recent events.

meh

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I may be all kinds of antibob and anti-ccp but handing out ppls IRL info like its candy is a bit much....

Ppl on someone's website are handing the dl out like its nothing >.<

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It wouldn't matter. Once people have a file, it will spread, regardless of whether the websites are taken down.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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It wouldn't matter. Once people have a file, it will spread, regardless of whether the websites are taken down.

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Originally by: Borasao

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Quote:

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I have been a member of BoB and BNC for aproximately 24hrs. Before which I was in my own corp for 3 months then before than I was a member of AAA.

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So... BoB/BNC just spontaneously invited you into their fold and you had no prior knowledge or leanings towards them... You just got an invite out of the blue and said "what the heck".

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:15:53
Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:13:13

Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: M'buku

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Greetings.
I am here representing the 3rd party site in question. All references to internal communications have been removed from the site as per our policy.
The email dump was never posted on SHC. All of the events mentioned here are in no way affiliated with SHC nor have they been.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator for SHC

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So...Scrapheap-challenge forums are controlled by BoB. No wonder there is almost no discussion of CCP miss conduct there.

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Scrapheap challenge is owned by someone who no longer plays Eve, nor has any side in the current conflict. He oversees the moderations.

The moderation team consists of 2 BNC members (BoB), 1 Goonfleet member (Goonswarm) and 1 Black Omega Syndicate member (Pandemic Legion)

The posts removed from SHC on this topic were removed by the Goonfleet member.

edit: Also, you might want to look how long M'Buku has been in BoB. It's less than 24 hours.

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Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:15:53
Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:13:13

Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: M'buku

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Greetings.
I am here representing the 3rd party site in question. All references to internal communications have been removed from the site as per our policy.
The email dump was never posted on SHC. All of the events mentioned here are in no way affiliated with SHC nor have they been.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator for SHC

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So...Scrapheap-challenge forums are controlled by BoB. No wonder there is almost no discussion of CCP miss conduct there.

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Scrapheap challenge is owned by someone who no longer plays Eve, nor has any side in the current conflict. He oversees the moderations.

The moderation team consists of 2 BNC members (BoB), 1 Goonfleet member (Goonswarm) and 1 Black Omega Syndicate member (Pandemic Legion)

The posts removed from SHC on this topic were removed by the Goonfleet member.

edit: Also, you might want to look how long M'Buku has been in BoB. It's less than 24 hours.

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Stating that two of the four moderators at SHC are members of BOB and two are not does not bolster your case that SHC is unbiased toward BoB. SHC is one of the few boards that censor all discussion of BOB and CCP linkage.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: M'buku

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Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: M'buku

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Greetings.
I am here representing the 3rd party site in question. All references to internal communications have been removed from the site as per our policy.
The email dump was never posted on SHC. All of the events mentioned here are in no way affiliated with SHC nor have they been.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator for SHC

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So...Scrapheap-challenge forums are controlled by BoB. No wonder there is almost no discussion of CCP miss conduct there.

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You sir really need to look into things a little more before you log on your alt trolling machine.
I have been a member of BoB and BNC for aproximately 24hrs. Before which I was in my own corp for 3 months then before than I was a member of AAA.
When I was first offered the job of moderator on SHC I was in fact a member of D2.
Blacklight is our other moderator whi is a BoB member. He was invited to become a moderator only very recectly.

The reason we have a policy of not allowing open and uncontrolled discussion of cetain CCP related topics on SHC is because it attracts people just like yourself.

If however you choose to read SHC and have an issue with the moderation there, you are free to contact any of the moderation team or Calmdown the site owner.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator SHC

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Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:15:53
Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:13:13

Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: M'buku

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Greetings.
I am here representing the 3rd party site in question. All references to internal communications have been removed from the site as per our policy.
The email dump was never posted on SHC. All of the events mentioned here are in no way affiliated with SHC nor have they been.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator for SHC

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So...Scrapheap-challenge forums are controlled by BoB. No wonder there is almost no discussion of CCP miss conduct there.

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Scrapheap challenge is owned by someone who no longer plays Eve, nor has any side in the current conflict. He oversees the moderations.

The moderation team consists of 2 BNC members (BoB), 1 Goonfleet member (Goonswarm) and 1 Black Omega Syndicate member (Pandemic Legion)

The posts removed from SHC on this topic were removed by the Goonfleet member.

edit: Also, you might want to look how long M'Buku has been in BoB. It's less than 24 hours.

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Stating that two of the four moderators at SHC are members of BOB and two are not does not bolster your case that SHC is unbiased toward BoB. SHC is one of the few boards that censor all discussion of BOB and CCP linkage.

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Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:15:53
Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:13:13

Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: M'buku

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Greetings.
I am here representing the 3rd party site in question. All references to internal communications have been removed from the site as per our policy.
The email dump was never posted on SHC. All of the events mentioned here are in no way affiliated with SHC nor have they been.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator for SHC

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So...Scrapheap-challenge forums are controlled by BoB. No wonder there is almost no discussion of CCP miss conduct there.

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Scrapheap challenge is owned by someone who no longer plays Eve, nor has any side in the current conflict. He oversees the moderations.

The moderation team consists of 2 BNC members (BoB), 1 Goonfleet member (Goonswarm) and 1 Black Omega Syndicate member (Pandemic Legion)

The posts removed from SHC on this topic were removed by the Goonfleet member.

edit: Also, you might want to look how long M'Buku has been in BoB. It's less than 24 hours.

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Stating that two of the four moderators at SHC are members of BOB and two are not does not bolster your case that SHC is unbiased toward BoB. SHC is one of the few boards that censor all discussion of BOB and CCP linkage.

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Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Stating that two of the four moderators at SHC are members of BOB and two are not does not bolster your case that SHC is unbiased toward BoB. SHC is one of the few boards that censor all discussion of BOB and CCP linkage.

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Originally by: FooB2

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two out of the four? there are more than 4 mods on SHC.

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Originally by: Frygok

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Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:15:53
Edited by: Elder Bob on 12/06/2007 17:13:13

Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Originally by: M'buku

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Greetings.
I am here representing the 3rd party site in question. All references to internal communications have been removed from the site as per our policy.
The email dump was never posted on SHC. All of the events mentioned here are in no way affiliated with SHC nor have they been.

Regards
M'buku
Global Moderator for SHC

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So...Scrapheap-challenge forums are controlled by BoB. No wonder there is almost no discussion of CCP miss conduct there.

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Scrapheap challenge is owned by someone who no longer plays Eve, nor has any side in the current conflict. He oversees the moderations.

The moderation team consists of 2 BNC members (BoB), 1 Goonfleet member (Goonswarm) and 1 Black Omega Syndicate member (Pandemic Legion)

The posts removed from SHC on this topic were removed by the Goonfleet member.

edit: Also, you might want to look how long M'Buku has been in BoB. It's less than 24 hours.

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Stating that two of the four moderators at SHC are members of BOB and two are not does not bolster your case that SHC is unbiased toward BoB. SHC is one of the few boards that censor all discussion of BOB and CCP linkage.

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Luckily, the mods of SHC does not need to proof anything to you about their bias. As someone who doesn't post very much, but is an avid reader of said community, I have yet to find any bias whatsoever toward any in-game alliance.

And the fact that you think it censors all BOB and CCP linkage discussions is just a testament to your ignorance, and not a bias on the SHC.

Now, have fun trolling.

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Originally by: Prof Weirdo

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Stating that two of the four moderators at SHC are members of BOB and two are not does not bolster your case that SHC is unbiased toward BoB. SHC is one of the few boards that censor all discussion of BOB and CCP linkage.

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Originally by: FooB2

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even DBP posts sensibly there.

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Quote:

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Please note that SCH didn't host this, they had it posted in their forums - Wrangler

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This is totally, miserably wrong.

Big letters, because people (especially CCP, it seems) have real problems with this.


At no point was the email database posted to the Scrapheap Challenge third party forums.


Not once, not posted then deleted. It was never posted.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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Originally by: Namingway

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Quote:

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Please note that SCH didn't host this, they had it posted in their forums - Wrangler

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This is totally, miserably wrong.

Big letters, because people (especially CCP, it seems) have real problems with this.


At no point was the email database posted to the Scrapheap Challenge third party forums.


Not once, not posted then deleted. It was never posted.

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He's saying SHC had info about the leak posted there, not the DB dump itself.

The first part of the line you quoted says the same thing you're whining about in your post.

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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However, the worst thing is the reaction by some of the players of eve. It's a game fella's, abusing me in real life because I mock you on the forums in character about the game is amusing but very sad on your part and highly ironic considering who I am getting abused by ;)

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Would that be like calling someone's job and trying to get them fired because of a game??

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: das licht

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OMG, if I was CCP/DEV I would directly go and speak to the police. That clearly is a criminal act. Where smoke is, there's mostly fire too. Combined with the fact that there is ISK sellers around, you can never know who or what has infiltrated you.

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And its kinda sad that CCP are still reluctant to bring this breach to the proper authorities.... makes ME wonder what they're hiding...

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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Originally by: rodgerd

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Banning discussion of contentious non-play related issues that people just get their panties wadded over is one way of achieving that goal.

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Originally by: rodgerd

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I don't really participate in SHC anymore (since I got sick of the Goon mod pinktexting me whenever I disagreed with him)

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Originally by: Namingway

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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However, the worst thing is the reaction by some of the players of eve. It's a game fella's, abusing me in real life because I mock you on the forums in character about the game is amusing but very sad on your part and highly ironic considering who I am getting abused by ;)

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Would that be like calling someone's job and trying to get them fired because of a game??

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I think employers care more (usually) about an employee's illegal activities, than if they had a forum warning on an MMO.

Unless you work for someone who is completely off their rocker, and cares about forum history on a game that is in no way related to the employer's business.

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Originally by: Namingway

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: das licht

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OMG, if I was CCP/DEV I would directly go and speak to the police. That clearly is a criminal act. Where smoke is, there's mostly fire too. Combined with the fact that there is ISK sellers around, you can never know who or what has infiltrated you.

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And its kinda sad that CCP are still reluctant to bring this breach to the proper authorities.... makes ME wonder what they're hiding...

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Perhaps that given the recent upheaval and rabble rabble about them even with false allegations, they'd prefer to quietly deal with the leak instead of play another round of 'omg ccp r teh tardz' with the internet community who would be more than happy to lay all the blame on CCP?

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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SHC

A DBP Post on SHC

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: Namingway

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: das licht

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OMG, if I was CCP/DEV I would directly go and speak to the police. That clearly is a criminal act. Where smoke is, there's mostly fire too. Combined with the fact that there is ISK sellers around, you can never know who or what has infiltrated you.

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And its kinda sad that CCP are still reluctant to bring this breach to the proper authorities.... makes ME wonder what they're hiding...

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Perhaps that given the recent upheaval and rabble rabble about them even with false allegations, they'd prefer to quietly deal with the leak instead of play another round of 'omg ccp r teh tardz' with the internet community who would be more than happy to lay all the blame on CCP?

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lol but theyre completely without blame... even on this, right?

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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