Originally by: Murina

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The mom pilot got popped for using it in a stupid way and razor and buddys proly got the kill because he proly did it a lot and was predictable.

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Originally by: Vina

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imo it's completely unbalanced that a normal ship can tackle any capital ship, capital ships (especially supercaps) should only be tackable by other capital ships.

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Quote:

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Vina
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers

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Originally by: SolApathy

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ps what was the second STK mom loss? just wondering.

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Originally by: Mozana

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anyone killed a MS which actually fought back? the bob ms loss also just showed a ms with fighters not attacking, ship not repping or trying to re-align after beeing bumbped.

whats up with this?

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Originally by: LePrince

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Edited by: LePrince on 06/07/2007 15:05:42
There are NO d-syncs !
Excellent work Shamis + friends, keep it up dudes

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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(...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Let's just put this in bullet form to save on space and hopefully clear up some of the factless statements coming from some in this thread:

1) I was in a gang doing local defense(not soloing) as one might expect any alliance member in any alliance that wishes to at least try and defend their space at any hour of the day.

2) I was unable to launch any drones at all. This was before and after local ballooned in count.

3) I never saw a single hostile fighter or drone on my display during the entire encounter.

4) I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion. Had I been able to deploy drones, 1/2 to 3/4th of them would have been dead within 90 seconds to 2 minutes. TBH, BE have a much better command of their dictor tactics than what I saw from the hostiles last night.

5) I've survived three to four desynchs before. Never had I ever been without the ability to deploy drones and defend myself. Something else was going on with the node\TQ last night.

6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Let's just put this in bullet form to save on space and hopefully clear up some of the factless statements coming from some in this thread:

1) I was in a gang doing local defense(not soloing) as one might expect any alliance member in any alliance that wishes to at least try and defend their space at any hour of the day.

2) I was unable to launch any drones at all. This was before and after local ballooned in count.

3) I never saw a single hostile fighter or drone on my display during the entire encounter.

4) I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion. Had I been able to deploy drones, 1/2 to 3/4th of them would have been dead within 90 seconds to 2 minutes. TBH, BE have a much better command of their dictor tactics than what I saw from the hostiles last night.

5) I've survived three to four desynchs before. Never had I ever been without the ability to deploy drones and defend myself. Something else was going on with the node\TQ last night.

6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)

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Any snigg pilot that logs in combat to save his ship gets booted from the corp.

There's a big difference between logging to save your ship, and relogging because you are desynced. There's a difference between being old fashioned and being stupid.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Let's just put this in bullet form to save on space and hopefully clear up some of the factless statements coming from some in this thread:

1) I was in a gang doing local defense(not soloing) as one might expect any alliance member in any alliance that wishes to at least try and defend their space at any hour of the day.
Just minutes before you were in another system actively ganking people. Going back and forth between gates. You continued doing this in LXW between warping to POS and cloaking.

2) I was unable to launch any drones at all. This was before and after local ballooned in count.
Your drones were out, you got on killmail on a battleship kill. Several PL pilots report your drones attacking them. But you also ran your smartbombs which pretty much might've killed your own drones. At least they were damaging my fighters.

3) I never saw a single hostile fighter or drone on my display during the entire encounter.
Then maybe you should've relogged.


4) I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion. Had I been able to deploy drones, 1/2 to 3/4th of them would have been dead within 90 seconds to 2 minutes. TBH, BE have a much better command of their dictor tactics than what I saw from the hostiles last night.
If you were desynced how could you see enemy movement and "random patterns"? Usually when you desync any hostile ship keeps moving off in the direction you last spotted them going.

5) I've survived three to four desynchs before. Never had I ever been without the ability to deploy drones and defend myself. Something else was going on with the node\TQ last night.
I was able to deploy drones just fine and spotted yours aswell. If you were desynced you should've done a quick relog to try and fix the problem.

6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)
So you're saying that "logging" is the same as "relogging" and that is "weak"?
The tools were there to save your ship if you had been desynced. Relogging is the defacto technique to clear desync issues. You were in a big ship and you should have had plenty of time to relog. If you were desynced and didn't relog then you can only blame yourself for not giving you that chance.

Some things doesnt match up to whatyou've said in previous bullets. You saw the dictors moving about. But not drones or fighters, how was your overview setup? Was PL red to you and you simply mistook fleet support for the drones? We had a massive amount of support and at times in that large encounter myself wasn't too sure what was green-drones and friendlies.

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Originally by: Factor Benz

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Let's just put this in bullet form to save on space and hopefully clear up some of the factless statements coming from some in this thread:

1) I was in a gang doing local defense(not soloing) as one might expect any alliance member in any alliance that wishes to at least try and defend their space at any hour of the day.

2) I was unable to launch any drones at all. This was before and after local ballooned in count.

3) I never saw a single hostile fighter or drone on my display during the entire encounter.

4) I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion. Had I been able to deploy drones, 1/2 to 3/4th of them would have been dead within 90 seconds to 2 minutes. TBH, BE have a much better command of their dictor tactics than what I saw from the hostiles last night.

5) I've survived three to four desynchs before. Never had I ever been without the ability to deploy drones and defend myself. Something else was going on with the node\TQ last night.

6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)

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M.Pire winning at Eve since day 1. Way to take it like a man.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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You gonna start booting with yourself Shamiz? How many admissions of logging out do we have here? And there's no difference tbh....you left the game to avoid a loss.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: Factor Benz

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Let's just put this in bullet form to save on space and hopefully clear up some of the factless statements coming from some in this thread:

1) I was in a gang doing local defense(not soloing) as one might expect any alliance member in any alliance that wishes to at least try and defend their space at any hour of the day.

2) I was unable to launch any drones at all. This was before and after local ballooned in count.

3) I never saw a single hostile fighter or drone on my display during the entire encounter.

4) I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion. Had I been able to deploy drones, 1/2 to 3/4th of them would have been dead within 90 seconds to 2 minutes. TBH, BE have a much better command of their dictor tactics than what I saw from the hostiles last night.

5) I've survived three to four desynchs before. Never had I ever been without the ability to deploy drones and defend myself. Something else was going on with the node\TQ last night.

6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)

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M.Pire winning at Eve since day 1. Way to take it like a man.

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I'll leave it to an average joe trying to survive more than 10 minutes of goon crap at your local Burn Eden TS downtime session to pass judgement on your lot.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Let's just put this in bullet form to save on space and hopefully clear up some of the factless statements coming from some in this thread:

2) I was unable to launch any drones at all. This was before and after local ballooned in count.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Let's just put this in bullet form to save on space and hopefully clear up some of the factless statements coming from some in this thread:

1) I was in a gang doing local defense(not soloing) as one might expect any alliance member in any alliance that wishes to at least try and defend their space at any hour of the day.

2) I was unable to launch any drones at all. This was before and after local ballooned in count.

3) I never saw a single hostile fighter or drone on my display during the entire encounter.

4) I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion. Had I been able to deploy drones, 1/2 to 3/4th of them would have been dead within 90 seconds to 2 minutes. TBH, BE have a much better command of their dictor tactics than what I saw from the hostiles last night.

5) I've survived three to four desynchs before. Never had I ever been without the ability to deploy drones and defend myself. Something else was going on with the node\TQ last night.

6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Let's just put this in bullet form to save on space and hopefully clear up some of the factless statements coming from some in this thread:

1) I was in a gang doing local defense(not soloing) as one might expect any alliance member in any alliance that wishes to at least try and defend their space at any hour of the day.

2) I was unable to launch any drones at all. This was before and after local ballooned in count.

3) I never saw a single hostile fighter or drone on my display during the entire encounter.

4) I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion. Had I been able to deploy drones, 1/2 to 3/4th of them would have been dead within 90 seconds to 2 minutes. TBH, BE have a much better command of their dictor tactics than what I saw from the hostiles last night.

5) I've survived three to four desynchs before. Never had I ever been without the ability to deploy drones and defend myself. Something else was going on with the node\TQ last night.

6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)

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Originally by: Ohne

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Let's just put this in bullet form to save on space and hopefully clear up some of the factless statements coming from some in this thread:

1) I was in a gang doing local defense(not soloing) as one might expect any alliance member in any alliance that wishes to at least try and defend their space at any hour of the day.

2) I was unable to launch any drones at all. This was before and after local ballooned in count.

3) I never saw a single hostile fighter or drone on my display during the entire encounter.

4) I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion. Had I been able to deploy drones, 1/2 to 3/4th of them would have been dead within 90 seconds to 2 minutes. TBH, BE have a much better command of their dictor tactics than what I saw from the hostiles last night.

5) I've survived three to four desynchs before. Never had I ever been without the ability to deploy drones and defend myself. Something else was going on with the node\TQ last night.

6) What saved snigg et al was their willingness to log out in combat and log back in to save their objective from failing. I never log in combat. I guess that's one difference between attackers and myself. Perhaps CCP can send some signals whether premeditated logging in and out from combat is acceptable or not. I think it shows weak character but I'm old and very old fashioned in that way :)

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Ok...

"I never saw a single hostile fighter or drone on my display during the entire encounter."

"I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion."

So you just saw what you wanted to see?

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Originally by: Ander

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stuff

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: Ander

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stuff

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1) My last killmail was a good hour earlier from five\six jumps away when I jumped in to support a alliance gang vs. a slightly larger hostile gang headed up to mpire space.

2) You made your choice...you logged to avoid a loss. I didn't log because in my three years in Eve honorable pilots never log, regardless.

3) Smart bombs were carefully cycled and turned off prior to repeated attempts to deploy drones. No drones left my ship during the entire encounter because the counters in my overview remained unchanged. I still had the same number of heavy\light\med drones right before I popped than I did at the start.

4) You were able to deploy drones\fighters because you are a logger. Just a fact dude. You choose to log from combat to avoid a loss.

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