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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Davlin Lotze You gonna start booting with yourself Shamiz? How many admissions of logging out do we have here? And there's no difference tbh....you left the game to avoid a loss.
Yes, truely ethical eve players all sit there and look at their frozen screen when they fight.
Whatever the servers deal out, you take it. Or you log. I guess we know who chose what course of action.
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Woofs
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:26:00 -
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In the end, the whining does not matter... You were dead either way...
For all the complaining about how eve is unfair... one thing stands: There is one less Wyvern in Eve.
All you do by running your mouth is make yourself and your corp look bad.
The ship is gone, it is not coming back... move along.
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Ander
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Davlin Lotze
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Davlin Lotze You gonna start booting with yourself Shamiz? How many admissions of logging out do we have here? And there's no difference tbh....you left the game to avoid a loss.
Yes, truely ethical eve players all sit there and look at their frozen screen when they fight.
Whatever the servers deal out, you take it. Or you log. I guess we know who chose what course of action.
So you're saying that if a guy jumps into a system and he's blackscreened he should simply have "stayed logged in" cause that's the honourable thing to do? Or if a person undocks from a station and gets blackholed he should stay logged in?
I got blackholed when I jumped into the system with my capitalship, should I not have relogged to clear the client blackscreen?
Additionally, FYI: the dishonourable logouts is generally considered (by consensus) people who log their ship to get insta-warpout. To get out of bubble camps without getting aggroed etc.
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Taes Valkiir
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:32:00 -
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It's a game. If it's desynced game. It's a game I can't play. I'll log back in so I can play it.
Nobody in their right mind will sit at their computers desynced, not playing the game, just so they can claim arbitrarily, that they "didn't log".
Honour doesn't enter the equation mate. People don't relog from desync for any other reason than they want to play the game and when you're desynced, you can't play. Simple as that.
Now please, you are making me argue the case for a bunch of enemies, this has to stop!
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Sebo Darrens
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:35:00 -
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Its an unfortunate situation in EVE when you have to relog to keep fighting in most battles over 20 people, since Rev 2. I don't think its dishonorable at all, its a way of trying to avoid a broken game.
The game is still broken though. CCP, please pay attention.
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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:35:00 -
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At the start of the fight I had 33 fighters in my ship. Right before I popped I had 33 fighters. I had 144 light drones at the start. When I popped I had 144. The counters remained constant. Same with med drones, etc. No drones could be launched depsite dozens of attempts to deploy them.
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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: Davlin Lotze At the start of the fight I had 33 fighters in my ship. Right before I popped I had 33 fighters. I had 144 light drones at the start. When I popped I had 144. The counters remained constant. Same with med drones, etc. No drones could be launched depsite dozens of attempts to deploy them.
No wonder you lost it, you act like a whiny little girl.
says the brave alt.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:43:00 -
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Yup i'm a very brave alt.
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SolApathy
Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:43:00 -
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i dont get what you all trying to achieve with this?
whether is kill was by a fault with the server or good tactics from rzr and PL everything else is just pointless
the pixels that once formed a beautiful wyvern are gone and i dont think anything can be done.
dont hate the players hate the game i guess
tbh all i see this thread during into is more slander and general crap
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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Edward Einstein Edited by: Edward Einstein on 06/07/2007 18:39:58
Originally by: Davlin Lotze
Originally by: Ander
stuff
1) My last killmail was a good hour earlier from five\six jumps away when I jumped in to support a alliance gang vs. a slightly larger hostile gang headed up to mpire space.
No your last killmail participation in Razor killboards is a Raven in LXW 13 minutes before your own loss. In that killmail you are second damage dealer with a Templar. I still can't get how you were desynced but you carefully timed your smartbombs and can comment on enemy dictor movement. In my experience when you desync modules are stuck active and all things in your client continue to fly on the direction they were flying.
I never received that killmail. My killmail tally for that night is a hurricane an hour before and then my own losses.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:43:00 -
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Things learned: 1: Desynchs are bad atm. 2: Supercaps are easier to kill post-patch. 3: M.Pire are sore losers.
Nice kill Pandemic and pals! Shame about the lag and such. --------
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 06/07/2007 18:44:34
Originally by: Davlin Lotze At the start of the fight I had 33 fighters in my ship. Right before I popped I had 33 fighters. I had 144 light drones at the start. When I popped I had 144. The counters remained constant. Same with med drones, etc. No drones could be launched depsite dozens of attempts to deploy them.
How did your fighters kill a Raven 11 minutes before your ship blew up, if they were not launched? More likely they launched fine, but couldn't be controlled, which happens all too often lately.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:44:00 -
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Devlin Lotze you're such a sore whiner looser :( -
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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: SolApathy i dont get what you all trying to achieve with this?
whether is kill was by a fault with the server or good tactics from rzr and PL everything else is just pointless
the pixels that once formed a beautiful wyvern are gone and i dont think anything can be done.
dont hate the players hate the game i guess
tbh all i see this thread during into is more slander and general crap
Just correct a few inaccuracies. Totally harmless activity :)
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Drosssk
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Davlin Lotze says the brave alt.
I reckon he's a main.
All **** aside, de-syncs suck no matter what end of the stick you're on. I totally should have out damaged everyone else on the KM! Having to relog sucks ass. __________________ Sig removed as it is inappropriate. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
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Davlin Lotze
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Beyond Horizon Devlin Lotze you're such a sore whiner looser :(
For me to "lose" in any game, the game has to actually be, well, a "game." You know with rules and mechanics that function to the extent that there are two players or more in the game. Not one player bound and gagged and prevented by server issues from fighting back whilst the other players have their way with them. Get the picture?
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Davlin Lotze
Originally by: Beyond Horizon Devlin Lotze you're such a sore whiner looser :(
For me to "lose" in any game, the game has to actually be, well, a "game." You know with rules and mechanics that function to the extent that there are two players or more in the game. Not one player bound and gagged and prevented by server issues from fighting back whilst the other players have their way with them. Get the picture?
So in the situation you put yourself in do you believe you would of survived had there been no d-syncs?
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Aramark
Omega Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:53:00 -
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Davlin Lotze please just go back to Empire, where you are safe there from those ebil dictor bubbles [/url]
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Beyond Horizon Devlin Lotze you're such a sore whiner looser :(
Ahh, be easy there.
Of course the mothership was doomed, desync or not. So there is no sense in saying 'i would have survived'.
But...loosing a supercapital, any supercapital, unable to fight back is just boring and no fun I think.
If you face certain death, then I guess you at least want to go down with blazing guns in a big fight or such and not sitting around like a duck unable to stuff because of desync or heavy lag.
Same goes for the attackers. I think they expected a huge fight also that's why they brought that much stuff. Most of them desynced too and were not able to fight properly.
So, all in all I think it is quite understandable that people are not too happy about the fight. The outcome seems fair to me though.
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Baddias Mongo
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Baddias Mongo on 06/07/2007 18:58:22
Originally by: Davlin Lotze
4) I noted extremely poor tactics on the part of the hostile dictor force. They were orbitting about at 15km in a very nonchalant fashion. Had I been able to deploy drones, 1/2 to 3/4th of them would have been dead within 90 seconds to 2 minutes. TBH, BE have a much better command of their dictor tactics than what I saw from the hostiles last night.
I was one of the dictor pilots last night.
I can say that at the start of the fight I came in to 15km to drop the bubble then moved further out again. Once i saw you were not going after the dictors I just orbitted at 15km to save time. Further more if you were desynched at the start like you say then how could you have seen what the dictors were doing? Surely we would have just been frozen on your screen.
Got to say the desynching was terrible though, I got it twice and missed the end of the fight while relogging. Its a miracle we were able to hold you in the bubbles with the amount of desynchs the dictors were getting IMO.
CCP needs to get this desynching sorted quickly or roll the code back to Rev I if a fix is not forthcoming. It will kill the game very quickly if left unchecked. |
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aramark Davlin Lotze please just go back to Empire, where you are safe there from those ebil dictor bubbles
signed
Originally by: Davlin Lotze For me to "lose" in any game, the game has to actually be, well, a "game." You know with rules and mechanics that function to the extent that there are two players or more in the game. Not one player bound and gagged and prevented by server issues from fighting back whilst the other players have their way with them. Get the picture?
Still doesn't change the fact you're whining the sh1at out of these forums right now :P -
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:58:00 -
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I've known Dav for quite a while, and I really don't think he would make up stories just because he lost a ship.
I don't speak for the Snigg bubbas, but if he had tried to log to cure the desynch, one of four things would have happened (or a combination of)
1. Everybody would have been all over his ass on the forums for trying to log to save his ship, and nobody would listen that he had tried to log to clear the desynch
2. He would have logged, then tried to log back in and sat at the loading screen FOREVER (which is what happens to me when there's a desynch/server side lag issue)
3. He would have logged out and back in and continued to fight, and maybe managed to cyno out
4. He would have logged out and back in and died.
I wasn't online when this all went down, but it's a "He said they said" issue now.
I think logging to fix your client is smart gameplay, until CCP decides to stop with the bells and whistles and wade into the problems with fleet battles we have nowadays.
But in reality, there isn't a way to tell who logged to avoid a blob or bubble or combat, and who logged to fix a screwy client. Which is too bad.
Looking at the killmail, Snigg had enough firepower to kill that MS in about 7-10 minutes as long as they kept the dictor bubbles going. (Just an educated guess)
It sucks that there was a desynch at all, because there's really no way of knowing how it would have turned out.
Snigg says that the desynch wouldn't have made a difference, other people say it would have made a difference if it wasn't there.
I guess the bottom line is GG to Snigg for bringing it, and GG to Dav for putting it out there every day since we built it.
I'd much rather lose something like that in combat with some worthy folks than to some asshat like Starwolf that cancelled the builds on two of them.
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Hubris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:59:00 -
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Any Pandemic Legion pilot that logs to save a ship in combat will be ejected from the corp. Period, end of story. All pilots know this and abide by the rule.
We have had (If i remember right) 2 pilots that have logged to save a ship in 4+ years of Sn1gg then later pandemic legion. They were booted as a result. We are one of the few in eve that even have this rule. We are also one of the few that have ever enforced this rule.
Sn1gg have been one of the most honorable and longest lasting pirate force in eve's history. People that know this will always call BS when a person such as Davlin attacks with baseless accusations.
Just stop the BS and admit that you were caught with your pants down. BE A MAN ABOUT IT. You became predictable and lost your ship as a result. Its a reality that you will have to deal with, and a lesson that all super cap pilots will need to remember from this day forward.
Super caps are no longer the invulnerable ships they once were. They now take the place they were meant for in fleet combat.
Davlin a final word of advise to you. Responding further in this thread will only tarnish you, your corp, and your alliances reputation more and more. Is it really worth it?
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Captain Irregardless
Gallente DAB
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:07:00 -
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When dbp is a better model for posting on Eve-O* than you are, something is very, very wrong.
Stop acting like a little girl with a skinned knee. When you do stupid things, your ship dies. I know this from experience, including dying to your fellow pilots yesterday. Just because you were in a bigger, much more expensive ship doesn't make you immune from this fact.
*does not reflect on his posting elsewhere
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Map Screen
Flat Earth Society
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gungankllr I'd much rather lose something like that in combat with some worthy folks than to some asshat like Starwolf that cancelled the builds on two of them.
So this is technically STK's 4th mothership loss?
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:12:00 -
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STFU m8 you are making us look like ****s.
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:13:00 -
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Can't we all just shoot each other without the smacktalk? sheesh
Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go |
Another Exgirlfriend
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hubris Edited by: Hubris on 06/07/2007 19:04:05 Edited by: Hubris on 06/07/2007 18:59:52 Any Pandemic Legion pilot that logs to save a ship in combat will be ejected from the Alliance. Period, end of story. All pilots know this and abide by the rule.
We have had (If i remember right) 2 pilots that have logged to save a ship in 4+ years of Sn1gg then later pandemic legion. They were booted as a result. We are one of the few in eve that even have this rule. We are also one of the few that have ever enforced this rule.
Sn1gg have been one of the most honorable and longest lasting pirate forces in eve's history. People that know this will always call BS when a person such as Davlin attacks with baseless accusations.
Someone remind that to Gokill of Pandemic who logged to save his cerberus + pod the other evening.
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Hubris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Another Exgirlfriend
Originally by: Hubris Edited by: Hubris on 06/07/2007 19:04:05 Edited by: Hubris on 06/07/2007 18:59:52 Any Pandemic Legion pilot that logs to save a ship in combat will be ejected from the Alliance. Period, end of story. All pilots know this and abide by the rule.
We have had (If i remember right) 2 pilots that have logged to save a ship in 4+ years of Sn1gg then later pandemic legion. They were booted as a result. We are one of the few in eve that even have this rule. We are also one of the few that have ever enforced this rule.
Sn1gg have been one of the most honorable and longest lasting pirate forces in eve's history. People that know this will always call BS when a person such as Davlin attacks with baseless accusations.
Someone remind that to Gokill of Pandemic who logged to save his cerberus + pod the other evening.
If that happened report it and it will be investigated. -
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Jaffur
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jaffur on 06/07/2007 19:36:50 alt
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