Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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No local, less targets, 0.0 becomes the new lo-sec, empire gains a few more residents.

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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If you want people to shoot at you have to make them think it's safe to come out and play.

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Originally by: Leviathani Darkri

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Edited by: Leviathani Darkri on 14/07/2007 22:35:19
Edited by: Leviathani Darkri on 14/07/2007 22:26:18
Gate moniter probe...limited duration, would give a real time update of gate activations within it's range. Perhaps a 1 au range (possible to cover multiple gates if close), and would give standard overview information such as shiptype, shipname, pilot, etc...Would say that the pilot jumped out or in.

lvl 1 skill allows anyone to launch one in nuetral or npc space, the higher the level of sovereignty the higher the skill needed to deploy. Perhaps with the highest level of sovereignty it would be impossible for anyone but the controlling alliance to deploy one. In alliance space, the info would broadcast to all alliance members and perhaps allowed blues.

You could also perhaps put a limit on the number you can have active at any one time...say two or perhaps three, because of the cpu needed to analyze the realtime info.

Kinda like an advanced motion detector...

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Originally by: Wayward Hooligan

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Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 10/07/2007 23:12:36
Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 10/07/2007 23:11:30
How To Fix Local In 1 Easy Step:

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Originally by: Kage Psychodin

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Keep it exactly the way it is. I don't see anything remotely wrong with the way it is, given the way the gates handle everything and you actually activate them to move between systems.
and yes, I do enjoy its protection it grants if I'm ratting in my alliance's 0.0 area and I can be alone, and easily tell if someone appears in space to know to get to dock instantly.

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Originally by: DGWabbit

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I know how to pvp and I dont care if local is there because I still kill **** loads of people, even those pesky macro-farmer-isk-selling-cloaking-ravens-of-death.

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Originally by: DGWabbit

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Petition:
Any low-sec pirates/low-sec miners/low-sec & hi-sec residents should have no say, what so ever, in local discussions.

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Originally by: DGWabbit

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Basically, ur telling everyone else to adapt by spamming the **** out of the scan button constantly because apparently...it adds to the ****ing game. Anyone else not notice how ******** that is?

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Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen

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Edited by: Vmir Gallahasen on 16/07/2007 06:27:47

Originally by: DGWabbit

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I know how to pvp and I dont care if local is there because I still kill **** loads of people, even those pesky macro-farmer-isk-selling-cloaking-ravens-of-death.

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I checked your killboard, and not a single one of those ravens had a cloak fitted, and none had the traditional werwrsfdsd macro name. It wouldn't be unreasonable to say you haven't killed a single macro cloaking raven since at least october 2006, and possibly before that as well since that's as far as the killboard goes.

Originally by: DGWabbit

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Petition:
Any low-sec pirates/low-sec miners/low-sec & hi-sec residents should have no say, what so ever, in local discussions.

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Why does their opinion not count but yours does? They might not have the same experience with local as regular 0.0 goers, but they use empire local as a way of tracking pirates, suspicious people, and war targets too.

Originally by: DGWabbit

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Basically, ur telling everyone else to adapt by spamming the **** out of the scan button constantly because apparently...it adds to the ****ing game. Anyone else not notice how ******** that is?

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If you refer to my idea earlier, spamming the scan button all the time would be unnecessary. And local needs to be removed because it detracts from the game. You have to take the benefits into consideration -- sure, removing local will have some disadvantages, but I think its benefits far outweigh those.

Finally, also in reference to your "spam the scan button", unless you're a remarkably unskilled 0.0 hunter, you do this anyway all the time. When I'm looking for targets, the scanner is my #1 offensive and defensive tool and I spam it without a second thought.

Oh, and when you make a bunch of statements (opinions), you should have some facts or arguments to back them up. Explain WHY you think removing local won't enhance gameplay, for example.

-Edit-
Just in case I did make a mistake DGWabbit, I'll list my sources
Ooh Shiny alliance kb: http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=705
Aftermath Alliance kb: http://aftermath-alliance.com/killboard/
Divine Retribution kb: (couldn't locate, website down)

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Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen

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Rabble

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Originally by: DGWabbit

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rabble

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Originally by: Roger Douglas

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Remove local?!?! How therefore shall I enjoy the smack?

Smack- and laughing at it. The reason for local.

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Originally by: eXtas

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no local = party time

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Originally by: SiJira

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Originally by: eXtas

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no local = party time

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yea its a good thing

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Originally by: Capt Rob

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yes lets remove local and how bout we make pvp consentual only in eve, sound good?

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Originally by: DGWabbit

My point is that, removing local would do nothing but add an unneeded complication to a game. [/quote

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It would be to difficult for you, so you don't want it.

Originally by: Hunin

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I don't really care if local is there or not. I think the only way it will be harder is for fleet battles. You won't get an instant count on the opposing fleet's strength. Fleet movement will be much harder to track as well.

Why won't it matter for ratting and/or mining?
1) All ratter and miners will be fully aligned and move at least 30km away from the warp in point.
2) Hostile warps in.
3) Ratter/miner warps out in 1 sec if fully aligned or 10 sec if not.
4) Hostile drops probes.
5) Ratter/miner either cloaks or checks the gate at 150km bookmark.

It will definitely enhance gate camps. Now you have to camp on the jump in point because the hostile knows your strength in the system. With no local you can place mobile bubbles around the warp in gate and gank everyone. It makes gate camping a lot easier.

Same way for fleet battles. You just need a covops on the gate and people can trickle in to a station system. The hostiles don't know your real strength even if someone is watching one gate. They don't know if you jumped out another gate.

With no local, I think spies will be much more important for alliances to determine when someone is preparing to attack.

It will also reduce the ability of covops to spy on enemy fleets because you don't know if they are still in the system or moved to another system. Again you'll spend 1 to 5 minutes probing and/or scanner use before determining nobody is actually in the system.

The biggest carebear change I see is probes will increase significantly in value.

Personally I think removing local will promote alliances to maintain gate camps. You won't need a dictor or a large bubble for effective gate camps.

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Originally by: SiJira

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all good results

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Originally by: Ryas Nia

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nerf Sijira for useless threads.

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