Originally by: Janu Hull

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Nothing says gritty cynicism like a 1 ISK note wedged between a pair of silicone enhanced knockers.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 04/08/2007 10:29:45



1.Being harassed in belts by n00b ôpiratesö in high sec trying to get me to shoot at their shuttle.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Constant PMÆs asking if I am a bot or if I am ôthereö. Some PMÆs just calling me derogatory names assuming I am not at the keyboard. I turned off my PMÆs.

4.Eve hate mails saying I am ruining the game but never telling me how. I am assuming it is because ôallö miners are bots.

5.In local channel people call miners (especially ice miners) all sorts of derogatory names just for mining there.

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Originally by: AeonOfTime

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Savvon, I agree completely. I enjoy mining a lot, and know of all the issues you brought up. I have quite a few entries in my blog about macroing though, and I think the problem is that people just don't take the time to make the necessary checks.

The system I am mining in (highsec, 0.9) for ex. is swarmed with macroers, and I know that for a fact as I have been observing them for about 4 months now. I reported them, but so far no action has been taken. I hate this situation, as everybody just assumes that you are a macrominer as soon as you fly a hulk and strip a few belts.

I cut jetcan stealing short by always having my alt with his Mammoth sitting nearby to collect the ore - but not everyone has the leisure of an alt and two PCs to do that. I am frustrated as I don't know how to deal with all these issues anymore. It has taken all the fun out of mining and lately I have reverted to mission running.

If anyone has any solutions to offer, I am all ear.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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I have no clue.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 04/08/2007 10:29:45
More specifically, why the hate towards me for being a miner for simply mining?

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Originally by: FarScape III

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Originally by: AeonOfTime

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.9 is for for people in fear of their own shadow, are you telling me you can not kill a few wimpy npc ratts in .7 and below?

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.9 = using mining drones = faster mining rate
.7 = using scout drones = slower mining rate

Of course it all depends on what minerals you are after I mine in anywhere from 0.2 - 1.0

Originally by: Savvon

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Speed Devil û people like you need to be banned for using exploits to harass the player base. Try any of those exploits with an experienced miner (like myself) and you will be on the choking end of the ban stick.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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I have no clue.

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Originally by: Tish Magev

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I accept that people play the game in different ways and do not judge anyone for how they play it, I'd say the miners have a bigger problem with people playing the game a different way than most. Yes it's annoying to have ya ore stolen (you shouldn't be jetcan mining) but simple fact is if ya ignored it and got on with it, you wouldn't lose your ship and the majority of 'griefers' wouldn't bother ya again, i mean whats the point when we know you won't shoot back.

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Originally by: Yagyu Retsudo

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Now if you're getting a lot of mails / pm's to see if you are there, it helps illustrate how much of a problem macroing is in Eve. Perhaps, as an honest miner, you should sympathize?

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Originally by: darkmancer

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Why do miners feel they should be insulated from everyone else in a MMORPG?

Seriously your at no risk from the belt rats, the only threat to your isk generation is the ore thief. Even then its not that difficult to avoid being blown up.

Mine with a gang, and a command ship with leaderships bonus's & gank and a rapier, see how much ore theives bother you then. Or move to different systems, or cargo expanders, or mine to a hauler, etc etc.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 04/08/2007 10:29:45
More specifically, why the hate towards me for being a miner for simply mining?

I have been playing Eve since 2004. Since day one I have mined. I enjoy mining. I am to mining what some of the top end pilots are to PvP. I enjoy every aspect of mining, especially the ôbusiness simö part of it.

I never complain on these forums about mining or its mechanics. I have been pretty happy with the overall ôclassö and have had some very interesting adventures in my time here.

Recently though, some people have been trying my patience by:

1.Being harassed in belts by n00b ôpiratesö in high sec trying to get me to shoot at their shuttle. We all know why. I just ignore them.
2.Ore thieves stealing from jet cans. It has gotten so bad I just use a Hulk with cargo extenders in high sec.
3.Constant PMÆs asking if I am a bot or if I am ôthereö. Some PMÆs just calling me derogatory names assuming I am not at the keyboard. I turned off my PMÆs.
4.Eve hate mails saying I am ruining the game but never telling me how. I am assuming it is because ôallö miners are bots.
5.In local channel people call miners (especially ice miners) all sorts of derogatory names just for mining there.

Over the years it has gotten a little worse year by year.

Some might call me a carebear (even though I can probably show you a thing or two in my Raven with my capped missile/shield/drone skills) and some might not understand why I enjoy mining. No matter what you think of my game play or my preference, it truly is none of your concern and definitely does not give anyone the right to treat others like some of you have been.

The point I want to make is. I mine. Leave me alone. If you do not, you will be reported to CCP for harassment.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 04/08/2007 14:42:42

Originally by: Yagyu Retsudo

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Now if you're getting a lot of mails / pm's to see if you are there, it helps illustrate how much of a problem macroing is in Eve. Perhaps, as an honest miner, you should sympathize?

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So misguided.

Macroer's effect players like me the most and I never had a problem with them. I can out mine most macroer's and if there are too many of them, I just move belts. Pretty simple.

It is people insulting, exploiting and griefing miners that is the real problem. To be honest, latley I would rather mine in a belt with 10 macroer's then just one of the type of player I have described here.

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Originally by: Savvon

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In response:
Speed Devil û people like you need to be banned for using exploits to harass the player base. Try any of those exploits with an experienced miner (like myself) and you will be on the choking end of the ban stick.

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Originally by: Erlik Draknor

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Trying shooting someone instead of a rock this game wasn't intended to be spent mining. BTW just suicided 2 macro hulks and if they weren't doesn't matter.

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Originally by: Lou Takki

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Awesome,

Personally I like miners, with all the miners in this game imagine how expensive ships and modules would be. They keep the system running!
Lou

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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Sadly, in all likelihood at least, more minerals are produced from refined loot than from mining. Running missions nets far more isk/hour than mining and a large portion of that is from the sale of reprocessed loot.

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Originally by: Savvon

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In response:
Speed Devil û people like you need to be banned for using exploits to harass the player base. Try any of those exploits with an experienced miner (like myself) and you will be on the choking end of the ban stick.

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Originally by: Frug

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Savvon, you are a whiny little noob and I hope you get suicided over and over again.

If I ever see you, I will be sure to harass and, if my ship is insured and cheap enough, suicide you.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Reported for name calling and threatening me with in game harassment.

Have a nice day.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Um....

Hi griefers. =p

Savvon isn't complaining because he's getting shot. PvPer / Griefer / Pirate / whatever is an acceptable profession.

Harasser is NOT an acceptable profession.

To the dude above, miners screamed at you because you you killed them. They were angry. You do not get random mails and conversations from people 3/4 of the galaxy away who have never had anything to do with you hating on you simply for being a PvPer.

Use a bit of common sense.

Smacktalking is an immature and seemingly unavoidable side effect of CCP introducing killmails and dumbing the game down enough that 14 year olds using mommy's credit card are attracted to it from the Counterstrike games. Its unfortunate. But harassing another player for simply existing IS harassment, and IS a violation of the EULA.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Originally by: Frug

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Savvon, you are a whiny little noob and I hope you get suicided over and over again.

If I ever see you, I will be sure to harass and, if my ship is insured and cheap enough, suicide you.

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Reported for name calling and threatening me with in game harassment.

Have a nice day.

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Originally by: Leviathani Darkri

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Curzon Dax for president.

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Originally by: Broken Star

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Sorry but no... Any ones that's in a solo corp with the description.. Get paid for your time mining, LOL... sure your not a Macro.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 05/08/2007 03:37:36

Originally by: Broken Star

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Sorry but no... Any ones that's in a solo corp with the description.. Get paid for your time mining, LOL... sure your not a Macro.

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This is part of the ignorance I am talking about.

My less then a week old corp is named, "The Free Miners Coalition". My motto is, "Get paid for mining" and "We work for ourselves!"

i.e. YOU DON'T GET TAXED BY IGNORANT GREEDY PLAYERS! All the ISK you make, is your own.

I started this corp because I did not like paying others ISK

The players I am trying to attract are the players who have been getting ripped off by player ran corporations who tax them for no just cause. I am talking about high sec corps taxing miners, not low sec corps.

Just because you (and many others like you) are so blinded by ignorance it still does not give you the right to grief me.

Be careful who you call an ISK seller. What you just did to me is called deformation of character and even though it is not against CCP's TOS, it is against the law where EVE-ONLINE's forums are hosted and pressure could easily be put on CCP to ban accounts. That is not a threat, it is a simple fact.

In short, think before you type.

And besides....Who are you do decide if I am a macroer or not? Who are you to decide if I want to ignore my PM's or I don't want to answer your EVE HATE MAIL? Who are you to decide if I want to mine in Eve?

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Originally by: Savvon

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Originally by: Frug

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Savvon, you are a whiny little noob and I hope you get suicided over and over again.

If I ever see you, I will be sure to harass and, if my ship is insured and cheap enough, suicide you.

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Reported for name calling and threatening me with in game harassment.

Have a nice day.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Let it go.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Let it go.

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No.

Your credibility went to zero once you started name calling. You first post was admirable, too bad your second post degenerated your previous statement to trolling drivel.

If you understood my post above, you would see that it was not a threat, but indeed a fact. Insulting/threatening someone on a forum can result in at least a banning.

Many people do not understand that international law permits anyone to find out any information about a party which can lead to "real life" harassment charges. Cases like these happen every day and when someone is as fed up as I am and has the resources to do something about it, they probably will.

And lastly, thank you for your opinion on my personality. I will not treat you in the same low manner as you have shown me. I try not to look down my nose at others, instead, I try to make everyone equal.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Let it go.

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No.

Your credibility went to zero once you started name calling. You first post was admirable, too bad your second post degenerated your previous statement to trolling drivel.

If you understood my post above, you would see that it was not a threat, but indeed a fact. Insulting/threatening someone on a forum can result in at least a banning.

Many people do not understand that international law permits anyone to find out any information about a party which can lead to "real life" harassment charges. Cases like these happen every day and when someone is as fed up as I am and has the resources to do something about it, they probably will.

And lastly, thank you for your opinion on my personality. I will not treat you in the same low manner as you have shown me. I try not to look down my nose at others, instead, I try to make everyone equal.

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Originally by: Savvon

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More specifically, why the hate towards me for being a miner for simply mining?

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Originally by: Savvon

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I guess nearly 4 billion a month is not considered good by your standards? I think it is good for a solo (casual) miner.

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Originally by: RedFall

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How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.

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Originally by: Vaari

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i have always said " Mining is work of the peasants and hobby of the nobility "

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Originally by: Esk Esme

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oOO another english teacher


get over yourself man not every1 in eve is english and quit franckly u r coment just shows your lack of recpect for any1 who doesnt speak / type english propely

if my word give you headahce dont read it simple as that

now go about your buisness b*tch and keep your unesasry coments to your self

nerf the empire carebare 50% yeald to exhuma in empire, empire resorces shouldnt b never ending there should b a limite to ore respawn

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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Plus I think replying to your message just broke my spell checker.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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Plus I think replying to your message just broke my spell checker.

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HAHA! Pure comedy!

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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Originally by: Savvon

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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Plus I think replying to your message just broke my spell checker.

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HAHA! Pure comedy!

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It is not funny, it is serious. Almost every single word in his post had a red line under it. By the last sentence, it had to switch to blue because the red wore out.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Don't pay lazy, ignorant CEO's your hard earned ISK through TAX!

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Originally by: Marduk Felzhen

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You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Um....
To the dude above, miners screamed at you because you you killed them. They were angry.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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You do not get random mails and conversations from people 3/4 of the galaxy away who have never had anything to do with you hating on you simply for being a PvPer.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Use a bit of common sense.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Smacktalking is an immature and seemingly unavoidable side effect of CCP introducing killmails and dumbing the game down enough that 14 year olds using mommy's credit card are attracted to it from the Counterstrike games.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Its unfortunate. But harassing another player for simply existing IS harassment, and IS a violation of the EULA.

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Originally by: mikaelim

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i threaten my family because i play by the rules. Did I say that? its all clear now. I like good boys. see it now? I seriously think I have not a sign of common sense. I have been smacked. It has nothing to do with you.

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Originally by: Erlik Draknor

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Trying shooting someone instead of a rock this game wasn't intended to be spent mining. BTW just suicided 2 macro hulks and if they weren't doesn't matter.

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Originally by: Savvon

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In response:Speed Devil û people like you need to be banned for using exploits to harass the player base. Try any of those exploits with an experienced miner (like myself) and you will be on the choking end of the ban stick.

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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Everyone hates miners because they drop crap loot and don't hang around to fight when local starts filling up.

It's not like they provide anything useful, I can get all the minerals I want from pew pew.

Signed:
Ex-Hulk Pilot

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 05/08/2007 03:43:12
Edited by: Savvon on 05/08/2007 03:37:36
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Be careful who you call an ISK seller. What you just did to me is called deformation of character and even though it is not against CCP's TOS, it is against the law where EVE-ONLINE's forums are hosted and pressure could easily be put on CCP to ban accounts. That is not a threat, it is a simple fact.

....

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always fashionably late - Deckard

Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 04/08/2007 10:29:45
More specifically, why the hate towards me for being a whiner for simply whining?

I have been playing Eve since 2004. Since day one I have whined. I enjoy whining. I am to whining what some of the top end pilots are to PvP. I enjoy every aspect of whining, especially the ôbusiness simö part of it.

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Originally by: Savvon

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i.e. YOU DON'T GET TAXED BY IGNORANT GREEDY PLAYERS! All the ISK you make, is your own.

Here is my corporation BIO in full:
[carebear stuff]

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Originally by: K'reemy G'udness

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 04/08/2007 10:29:45
More specifically, why the hate towards me for being a whiner for simply whining?

I have been playing Eve since 2004. Since day one I have whined. I enjoy whining. I am to whining what some of the top end pilots are to PvP. I enjoy every aspect of whining, especially the ôbusiness simö part of it.

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Fixed.

Seriously though, I don't hate miners. I just think they have found the exact most boring way to play, because they must be boring in real life. Am I right or are you some ex-seal millionare playboy? Just Curious.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Really, this thread delivers.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Want to hear something funny?

I have been Frap'sin all the people who have been trying to kill me while I am mining.

Not one has succeeded.

However, I got one person banned last night for harassment.

Stay tuned for a video that will be uploaded to Google video in a few weeks showing miners how to defend against ignorance and the uneducated.

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Originally by: K'reemy G'udness

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Seriously though, I don't hate miners. I just think they have found the exact most boring way to play, because they must be boring in real life.

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Originally by: Shurikane

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Originally by: K'reemy G'udness

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Seriously though, I don't hate miners. I just think they have found the exact most boring way to play, because they must be boring in real life.

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GameFAQs? Is that you?

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Originally by: Speed Devil

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if anyone wants free ore

The scumsucker is located at Halaima VII - Moon 6 - Caldari Provisions Warehouse station in the Halaima system of the Uusasai constellation.

yes this is savvon :p
and he lives in a 0.7 so if anyone funds me a dominix ill kill his hulk before concord gets me

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Originally by: Frug

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Everyone should pitch in a few million. Lets kill this guy as many times as we can.

I mean, he makes valid points but I disagree with him because I cannot PvP and I need to make ISK and killing miners is the only PvP I can do!

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Originally by: Frug

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You're hurting my feelings.

I'm reporting you for harassment.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 06/08/2007 04:17:24
Edited by: Savvon on 06/08/2007 04:15:48

Originally by: Frug

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Everyone should pitch in a few million. Lets kill this guy as many times as we can.

I mean, he makes valid points but I disagree with him because I cannot PvP and I need to make ISK and killing miners is the only PvP I can do!

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FIXED!

Is that a threat of harassment?

Even if it is not (up to CCP after I report it), you will need at least a BS to even dent my shields. Oops! I have said to much.

pssst, little secret...I pod!


port22,
Long time no talk. I help out many miners like I did you. Many. Teaching them how to mine, what to skill and helping them buy their first ships. It's what I do. By the way, you are welcome for the help I gave many months (years?) ago.

However, if anyone is going to try to gank me, I will pod them and defend myself in game and on the forums. Your definition of "power trip" is my definition of Eve survival.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Woot!

mikaelim has learned how to break apart a message in order to take things out of context so that he might interpret them individually for his own benefit.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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*clears his throat* Based on your expert example, let me try peering at your own post for the relevant content.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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i threaten my family because i play by the rules. Did I say that? its all clear now. I like good boys. see it now? I seriously think I have not a sign of common sense. I have been smacked. It has nothing to do with you.
Yes, how entertaining!

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Originally by: Frug

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Lol he logged off.

There's some concord and an ibis wreck at the belt. Too bad he's a pansy.

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Originally by: CCP t20

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So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level.

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Originally by: port22

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LOL

Guys, like ease up. Its forums. Dont take anything anyone says seriously or to heart.

Damn im bored at work. :p

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Originally by: Frug

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Originally by: port22

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LOL

Guys, like ease up. Its forums. Dont take anything anyone says seriously or to heart.

Damn im bored at work. :p

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That's it port22. You're starting to get on my nerves now. Prepare for harassment and verbal abuse like you've never seen, you nublet.

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Originally by: Gentle Glide

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No.

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Originally by: Gan Dalf

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What's going on? Why is TQ down? Who is "GMT"? What's 'Reality', will it hurt?

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Originally by: Eternus8lux8lucis

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People dont know why miners mine. Its to build and work hard and honestly at something. Its about construction and not destruction. Its about building empires owith bricks, not with blood. Miners are like the true workers of any society. Faithful, dilligent and hardworking people.

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Originally by: Savvon

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However, I got one person banned last night for harassment.

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Originally by: Altrex

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Conclusive proof ladies and gentlemen that WoW kills brain cells.

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Originally by: Anila's Delight

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I didn't know GM's made banning decisions public knowledge.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 06/08/2007 08:11:46

Originally by: Anila's Delight

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I didn't know GM's made banning decisions public knowledge.

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They don't.

However, when someone harasses you for three days straight in game, you tend to notice when they are gone.

Justice!

For the record, I really do not care about anyone's opinion about my credibility. Whether you hate me or not, the simple fact is that it is a problem and as a miner I am done turning the other cheek.

I am fighting back after 3 years of worsening behavior. It is not my problem if the kiddies cannot handle the heat.

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Originally by: Savvon

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It is not my problem if the kiddies cannot handle the heat.

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Originally by: Gan Dalf

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What's going on? Why is TQ down? Who is "GMT"? What's 'Reality', will it hurt?

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Originally by: Savvon

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Frug,

Please don't tell me you are like the rest and just cower to a miner.

Put up or shut up!

btw, still waiting.

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Originally by: port22

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Im feeling the lubb :D

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Originally by: Wrangler

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Well, at least we have forum PvP..

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Originally by: Frug

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Oh I went there for a while but you remained docked, so I left.

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Originally by: MasterDecoy

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Originally by: Savvon

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It is not my problem if the kiddies cannot handle the heat.

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yo yo check this!

check yoself before you wreck yoself!

yo griefin' kiddies can't handle the heat ya'll
ima put joo into the seat
i'd be doing driveby's in a hulk
im so damn hot it's not my fault
there's no suicide ganks
that i can't tank

you be stealin' from my jet can?
i don't even need no wing man!

you be dissin' the rockerzÖ
is about the same as*****-blockerz!
makes no difference to me
im still yo sugar daddy!

you knows i gots the perfect petition
to put yo suckerz out of commission!

Yo MAMA!

PEACE!

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Originally by: Erlik Draknor

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Trying shooting someone instead of a rock this game wasn't intended to be spent mining. BTW just suicided 2 macro hulks and if they weren't doesn't matter.

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Woot!

mikaelim has learned how to break apart a message in order to take things out of context so that he might interpret them individually for his own benefit.

*clears his throat* Based on your expert example, let me try peering at your own post for the relevant content.

Originally by: mikaelim

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i threaten my family because i play by the rules. Did I say that? its all clear now. I like good boys. see it now? I seriously think I have not a sign of common sense. I have been smacked. It has nothing to do with you.

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Yes, how entertaining!

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Originally by: Savvon

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Originally by: Speed Devil

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if anyone wants free ore

The scumsucker is located at Halaima VII - Moon 6 - Caldari Provisions Warehouse station in the Halaima system of the Uusasai constellation.

yes this is savvon :p
and he lives in a 0.7 so if anyone funds me a dominix ill kill his hulk before concord gets me

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Actually, this is Savvon. I do not "live" in Halamima, but I am currently mining Ice in that system. Last week I was mining Omber and next week it will be kernite. See, I move around a lot. Since you are not a miner, I wouldn't expect you to grasp that concept.

If you wish to come try and kill me please, I need more video for my "Miner's guide" that will have a section on how to defend against griefers. Just got a Ferox on video that was beautiful. Cannot wait to upload it to Google video.

On a side note, I think it is hilarious that you need someone else to fund you in your attempt in killing me. I will be in Halamima for a few more days, come on over.

All I ask is try to kill me in a Caldari ship, I build those.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Actually, this is Savvon. I do not "live" in Halamima, but I am currently mining Ice in that system. Last week I was mining Omber and next week it will be kernite. See, I move around a lot. Since you are not a miner, I wouldn't expect you to grasp that concept.

If you wish to come try and kill me please, I need more video for my "Miner's guide" that will have a section on how to defend against griefers. Just got a Ferox on video that was beautiful. Cannot wait to upload it to Google video.

On a side note, I think it is hilarious that you need someone else to fund you in your attempt in killing me. I will be in Halamima for a few more days, come on over.

All I ask is try to kill me in a Caldari ship, I build those.

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Originally by: Celestal

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Anyone who gets petitioned for harrassment for killing this guy , should quote the above post to the relevant GM.
He (?) is very openly inviting people to come kill him , therefore he has no basis to start crying when they do kill him ( would be a bit like sending written invitations to a party at his place then phoning the cops and reporting the guests as trespassers , bit tarded really ).

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Originally by: Frug

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The day CCP so much as slaps me on the wrist for attacking someone in game for any reason at all is the day I quit playing eve. Nobody needs a reason to suicide his ship and there's nothing wrong with doing it. That's the whole point, and the whole reason he looks like such an arse.

None of this ever had anything to do with mining. Most people agreed with his OP actually.

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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby

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raising awareness

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Originally by: The Pointless

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Edited by: The Pointless on 04/08/2007 10:58:37
...

Just petition the goits, the moment they start, bang out that petition. If there's one thing I've learned... threats are useless. Trust me. You wouldn't beleive the crap eejits come out with when threatened with being reported.

(Nobody should suffer the crap you're putting up with)

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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby

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Originally by: Frug

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The day CCP so much as slaps me on the wrist for attacking someone in game for any reason at all is the day I quit playing eve. Nobody needs a reason to suicide his ship and there's nothing wrong with doing it. That's the whole point, and the whole reason he looks like such an arse.

None of this ever had anything to do with mining. Most people agreed with his OP actually.

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The reason they might is because to go after someone in game because of something OUTSIDE of game, is by definition griefing. Now if it is something that they did INSIDE of game, different story Basically what he is appearantly trying to do is get people to threaten or post in this thread, then use it as evidence of griefing because they are "attacking" him because of out-of-game reasons.

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Originally by: 000Hunter000

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Meh there are always people outthere who think there way of playing is the only good or even think its the only true way of playing eve, offcourse this is a big pile of damp cow excrement and everybody should play the way they feel like it as long as they do not force others to play their way.

i've started this game in 2004 as well, i've been a miner for along time, i've been running mish for a long time, i've been manufacturing stuff, researching stuff i even started doing some exploration (allthough that is very very boring to me) i did the 0.0 thing, i did the low sec solo mining thing i did the pvp thing (allthough i noticed i suck at beeing a pirate cuz i feel sorry for the victims, yeah i'm a carebear so sue me).

Now i live in empire, i run mish, sometimes i mine a bit, i'm not bugging anyone and i like it that way. If people have a problem with what i'm doing then mebbe it's them who need to find a new game

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Originally by: Savvon

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Originally by: Frug

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Savvon, you are a whiny little noob and I hope you get suicided over and over again.

If I ever see you, I will be sure to harass and, if my ship is insured and cheap enough, suicide you.

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Reported for name calling and threatening me with in game harassment.

Have a nice day.

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Originally by: Siolo Tir

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Savvon,
I don't have time to go back and forth board warrioring, but, in the off chance that this gets through to you, here are my two cents. Note that I am completely uninvolved--I am neither a miner nor a pirate (I live in 0.00, I live in Silicon Valley, love Google and know many people who work there. With that said, I find you to be an angry troll whose posts are full of s**t.

Realize that the EVE forum community is not out to get you nor is everyone here aren't just plain stupid. Maybe, in time, you can realize this and get along better with other people.

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Originally by: Setana Manoro

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Originally by: Siolo Tir

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Savvon,
I don't have time to go back and forth board warrioring, but, in the off chance that this gets through to you, here are my two cents. Note that I am completely uninvolved--I am neither a miner nor a pirate (I live in 0.00, I live in Silicon Valley, love Google and know many people who work there. With that said, I find you to be an angry troll whose posts are full of s**t.

Realize that the EVE forum community is not out to get you nor is everyone here aren't just plain stupid. Maybe, in time, you can realize this and get along better with other people.

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I actually hope he stays on track. Such an individual that managed to annoy both hardcore pvp-ers and mission runners alike is needed from time to time. It strengthens the community and it gives it a single target. Like the whines aimed at CCP for lag. :)

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 04/08/2007 10:29:45
More specifically, why the hate towards me for being a miner for simply mining?

I have been playing Eve since 2004. Since day one I have mined. I enjoy mining. I am to mining what some of the top end pilots are to PvP. I enjoy every aspect of mining, especially the ôbusiness simö part of it.

I never complain on these forums about mining or its mechanics. I have been pretty happy with the overall ôclassö and have had some very interesting adventures in my time here.

Recently though, some people have been trying my patience by:

1.Being harassed in belts by n00b ôpiratesö in high sec trying to get me to shoot at their shuttle. We all know why. I just ignore them.
2.Ore thieves stealing from jet cans. It has gotten so bad I just use a Hulk with cargo extenders in high sec.
3.Constant PMÆs asking if I am a bot or if I am ôthereö. Some PMÆs just calling me derogatory names assuming I am not at the keyboard. I turned off my PMÆs.
4.Eve hate mails saying I am ruining the game but never telling me how. I am assuming it is because ôallö miners are bots.
5.In local channel people call miners (especially ice miners) all sorts of derogatory names just for mining there.

Over the years it has gotten a little worse year by year.

Some might call me a carebear (even though I can probably show you a thing or two in my Raven with my capped missile/shield/drone skills) and some might not understand why I enjoy mining. No matter what you think of my game play or my preference, it truly is none of your concern and definitely does not give anyone the right to treat others like some of you have been.

The point I want to make is. I mine. Leave me alone. If you do not, you will be reported to CCP for harassment.

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Originally by: Savvon

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You can kill people or wardec them, steal from them or whatever, but dont attack someone personally just cause you dont like the way he spends his time in eve. You simply have no right at all to do so and getting reported for harassment is the least you deserve.

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Originally by: Guilliman R

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Is this bannable, if not why not? (Directed at mods/GM/CCP, whoever knows" I'll read trough the EULA once I have some free time, but I'd like to know. If not, can we make it bannable in some way (legaly speaking)?

*edit, just for those who would flame me. I don't care if you wardeck/steal from me/gank/blob me ingame, thats Eve.
But I take it not lightly for personal attacks, it's the lowest for of "a fight".

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Originally by: Bentula

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Originally by: Guilliman R

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Is this bannable, if not why not? (Directed at mods/GM/CCP, whoever knows" I'll read trough the EULA once I have some free time, but I'd like to know. If not, can we make it bannable in some way (legaly speaking)?

*edit, just for those who would flame me. I don't care if you wardeck/steal from me/gank/blob me ingame, thats Eve.
But I take it not lightly for personal attacks, it's the lowest for of "a fight".

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Thats what is called harassment(own category in petitions). It completly depends on how the GM sees it, generally you can get away with alot if you keep it incharakter, but if you start to aim your namecalling at the person behind the PC you get into trouble.

Calling a amarr that tried to suicide you a bloody slavedriving religious terrorist you might get away with(i would like to say will get away with, but obviously i cant give out guerantees), but calling a muslim IRL a bloody slavedriving religious terrorist is most likely going to get you into a convo with a GM pretty fast(if they actually bother to convo people before handing out warnings and bans).

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Originally by: Tribalist

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This Topic Delivers!!!!



If a great scam Savvon has too

He gets everyone all bent out of shape and trying to gank hi in high sec where we all know he is perfectly safe and has CONCORD to protect him. And then he scoops the loot and salvage... I bet he dosen't even have to mine anymore!

BRILLIANT!!

So when is someone gonna petition him for griefing all the poor pirates who try and kill him who are simply reacting to his on-line goads?


HE MUST BE STOPPED!

There are pirates who would NEVER have even HEARD of Savvon being victimized by him through CONCORD, this sort of griefing must stop!

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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Didn't Kehmor quit Eve? Had a thread in C&P?

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Originally by: Curzon Dax

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On a sidenote, Carebear != whiner.

*shrugs* I'll throw down with anyone, anytime, just for a good fight - most forum warriors and in-game PvPers are loathe to take up that challenge because they don't have friends to back them up.

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Originally by: savvon

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When you insult and/or call me names, you will be reported.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 04/08/2007 10:29:45
More specifically, why the hate towards me for being a miner for simply mining?

I have been playing Eve since 2004. Since day one I have mined. I enjoy mining. I am to mining what some of the top end pilots are to PvP. I enjoy every aspect of mining, especially the ôbusiness simö part of it.

I never complain on these forums about mining or its mechanics. I have been pretty happy with the overall ôclassö and have had some very interesting adventures in my time here.

Recently though, some people have been trying my patience by:

1.Being harassed in belts by n00b ôpiratesö in high sec trying to get me to shoot at their shuttle. We all know why. I just ignore them.
2.Ore thieves stealing from jet cans. It has gotten so bad I just use a Hulk with cargo extenders in high sec.
3.Constant PMÆs asking if I am a bot or if I am ôthereö. Some PMÆs just calling me derogatory names assuming I am not at the keyboard. I turned off my PMÆs.
4.Eve hate mails saying I am ruining the game but never telling me how. I am assuming it is because ôallö miners are bots.
5.In local channel people call miners (especially ice miners) all sorts of derogatory names just for mining there.

Over the years it has gotten a little worse year by year.

Some might call me a carebear (even though I can probably show you a thing or two in my Raven with my capped missile/shield/drone skills) and some might not understand why I enjoy mining. No matter what you think of my game play or my preference, it truly is none of your concern and definitely does not give anyone the right to treat others like some of you have been.

The point I want to make is. I mine. Leave me alone. If you do not, you will be reported to CCP for harassment.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Edited by: Savvon on 04/08/2007 10:29:45
More specifically, why the hate towards me for being a miner for simply mining?

I have been playing Eve since 2004. Since day one I have mined. I enjoy mining. I am to mining what some of the top end pilots are to PvP. I enjoy every aspect of mining, especially the ôbusiness simö part of it.

I never complain on these forums about mining or its mechanics. I have been pretty happy with the overall ôclassö and have had some very interesting adventures in my time here.

Recently though, some people have been trying my patience by:

1.Being harassed in belts by n00b ôpiratesö in high sec trying to get me to shoot at their shuttle. We all know why. I just ignore them.
2.Ore thieves stealing from jet cans. It has gotten so bad I just use a Hulk with cargo extenders in high sec.
3.Constant PMÆs asking if I am a bot or if I am ôthereö. Some PMÆs just calling me derogatory names assuming I am not at the keyboard. I turned off my PMÆs.
4.Eve hate mails saying I am ruining the game but never telling me how. I am assuming it is because ôallö miners are bots.
5.In local channel people call miners (especially ice miners) all sorts of derogatory names just for mining there.

Over the years it has gotten a little worse year by year.

Some might call me a carebear (even though I can probably show you a thing or two in my Raven with my capped missile/shield/drone skills) and some might not understand why I enjoy mining. No matter what you think of my game play or my preference, it truly is none of your concern and definitely does not give anyone the right to treat others like some of you have been.

The point I want to make is. I mine. Leave me alone. If you do not, you will be reported to CCP for harassment.

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Originally by: Frug

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Originally by: savvon

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When you insult and/or call me names, you will be reported.

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You're a weenie little girly whiner incapable of handling your own disputes. Are you going to cry?

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Originally by: Guilliman R

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Edited by: Guilliman R on 06/08/2007 22:08:52

Originally by: Frug

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Originally by: savvon

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When you insult and/or call me names, you will be reported.

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You're a weenie little girly whiner incapable of handling your own disputes. Are you going to cry?

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So when a 60mil player starts to badmouth me, or insult me/my mom/dad/friends/gf/etc and I, with my 4mil SP. How am I going to settle my dispute? a duel? Am I to do the same, and lower myself to his (your?) level and risk him (you?) reporting me?
No, I'll just make sure he (you?) get punished.

It's a game, why should I listen to such crap that he (you?) do to make him (you?) feel good in your pants?

How dare you force your narrowminded way of thinking onto others? Have you no decency, no shame? aah ofcaurse not, the internet. The medium with 0 responsability for ones actions.
I bet the first thing that now comes up in your mind is "whell your a noob", or something to that extend?

I'm sure, for this, I will be called wrong in various ways. But I will tell you right here, that whatever you say, out there, in the real world. I'm right.

Goodday Mr.Frug

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Originally by: Temp Boi

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Port FTMFW period.

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Originally by: port22

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If CNR's can be suicide ganked in high sec empire space with faction mods fitted (takes 2+ Geddons) im sure Savvons Hulk can be fairly easily crushed by the same tactics. Which by mention is not an exploitable tactic, nor is it petitionable.

Have a nice day! :D

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Originally by: Guilliman R

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Originally by: Frug

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You're a weenie little girly whiner incapable of handling your own disputes. Are you going to cry?

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So when a 60mil player starts to badmouth me, or insult me/my mom/dad/friends/gf/etc and I, with my 4mil SP. How am I going to settle my dispute? a duel? Am I to do the same, and lower myself to his (your?) level and risk him (you?) reporting me?
No, I'll just make sure he (you?) get punished.

It's a game, why should I listen to such crap that he (you?) do to make him (you?) feel good in your pants?

How dare you force your narrowminded way of thinking onto others? Have you no decency, no shame? aah ofcaurse not, the internet. The medium with 0 responsability for ones actions...

*rant rant rabble rabble*

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Originally by: Savvon

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Ladyah Liandri,
And you are? Ahh, a band wagoner. "Everyone is attacking Savvon, I must get a punch in too!"

I fail to see what that thread you linked has anything to do with this topic. Except that you are trying to discredit my opinion because I disagree with that other poster.

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Originally by: Savvon

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I love how everyone is taking a shot at analyzing me. Diagnostics from forum psychologist are always welcome.

The facts:
I stated my opinion that I am sick of being harrased while minding my own business mining.

I have been constantly bombarded ever since in game and on the forums.

People have followed me in other threads with the usual insults, Eve mailing me in game and trying to suicide me.

More facts:
I have 2 attempts of suicide ganking on Fraps and one of which is a Ferox. He was podded by the way.

When you insult and/or call me names, you will be reported.

I will defend my point of views and not lay down while bullies kick me. You might think this is anger, but in fact, its simply a person who stands tall against bullies.

Everyone knows where I am mining for the next few days. I invite anyone of you to come and try to suicide me.

The only thing you will get is laughed at, Frapped and podded.

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Originally by: Esk Esme

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oOO another english teacher


get over yourself man not every1 in eve is english and quit franckly u r coment just shows your lack of recpect for any1 who doesnt speak / type english propely

if my word give you headahce dont read it simple as that

now go about your buisness b*tch and keep your unesasry coments to your self

nerf the empire carebare 50% yeald to exhuma in empire, empire resorces shouldnt b never ending there should b a limite to ore respawn

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Originally by: port22

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If CNR's can be suicide ganked in high sec empire space with faction mods fitted (takes 2+ Geddons) im sure Savvons Hulk can be fairly easily crushed by the same tactics. Which by mention is not an exploitable tactic, nor is it petitionable.

Have a nice day! :D

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Originally by: Tyson Gallane

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I've been playing this game for several months now, and can honestly say I have not once been harrassed! I'm starting to feel really left out now.

So, if I don't get some decent harrassment RIGHT AWAY , I'm going to :

a) Quit
b) Give all my stuff to the first person who asks for it, and
c) Go and play WoW.



TG.

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Originally by: Tyson Gallane

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I've been playing this game for several months now, and can honestly say I have not once been harrassed! I'm starting to feel really left out now.

So, if I don't get some decent harrassment RIGHT AWAY , I'm going to :

a) Quit
b) Give all my stuff to the first person who asks for it, and
c) Go and play WoW.



TG.

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Originally by: D'Insane Shatner

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Mining is fun.

Getting into and out of low sec with your ore load is absolutely one of the greatest rushes in the game for me. What a feeling of victory to know I evaded some pirate and got away.

Also, since it's a game... some of you whining miners ought to chat some of these pirates up a bit. They are just people like you and me playing a game- I've had some great conversations. I've even made friends.

Sure I lost a ship here or there- but in the final analysis these guys end up buying ships I make.

Play it like a game and the game won't play you. Try being creative with your strategies...

If you aren't havign fun... it;s time to move on.

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Originally by: ChapterMaster

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Originally by: Esk Esme

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oOO another english teacher


get over yourself man not every1 in eve is english and quit franckly u r coment just shows your lack of recpect for any1 who doesnt speak / type english propely

if my word give you headahce dont read it simple as that

now go about your buisness b*tch and keep your unesasry coments to your self

nerf the empire carebare 50% yeald to exhuma in empire, empire resorces shouldnt b never ending there should b a limite to ore respawn

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Honestly, sorry to necro, but you might actually NEED that english teacher, I dont think the message is getting across.

As for the mining, Hey, most of us did it, some of us grew out of it, but its not "pew Pew online" its Eve online, your meant to be able to kick back and enjoy yourself, if mining floats your boat, good for you and more power to you.

On the OTHER HAND, smack-talking fighters might not be the best outlet for frustration.
if it worries you that much, here is another game with lasers that you might like,

Enjoy

-Chap

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Originally by: Fscout

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This thread half makes me wanna laugh, half makes me wanna cry.

Its good testament to how poorly people behave when can they hide behind anonymity and 0 chance of meaningful retaliation. If some of you actually went outside into the real world, you'd realise you'd get the sh** beaten out of you in real life for acting or talking the way you do here.

Its strange how eve attracts a much older and more mature audience than other games, and has generally a better player population, and yet still attracts so many rude pathetic little scroats as well.

I love how "noob" is such a harsh insult for some, as if being crap at an internet spaceship game is the worst thing possible - as opposed to being a shut-in living in their parents basement, playing a game all day trying to inflict as much hurt on others because of their pathetic existance, just trying to drag others down or try and have some sort of effect on someone or something.

I'm not talking about pirates / pvpers / people that are bastards in-game, just the rude little toads who come here or play eve because they're own lives are lacking. I cannot imagine how f***ed some of their lives must be if they need to be such rude abnoxious worms. Seriously boys and girls, go outside, take a deep breath. Repeat after me, being a t*** to people in a game or over the internet does not make up for your sorry little life. Sort it out, and you won't feel the need to behave like a worthless bitter little scroat.

In response the the OP, I think people don't understand the fact eve needs miners, traders, manufacturers etc to actually work. Unless everything became totally NPC provided (halving the compexity and depth of the game) no one would pew pew because everything would cost so much. Supply and demand means that if all the miners left, their ships and modules would cost 10x as much, and when they did manage to purchase something, they wouldn't be able to find anyone to shoot with it because everyone would be so afraid to put their ships in harms way. The people doing the legwork, such as mining, facilitate the pvp environment.

Less miners, manufacturers, missions runners = less pew pew

Also I think a lot of people fail to see the difference between macro miners (who's harm to the game is overstated I feel, they are more an annoyance, unless someone with ecnomoics knowledge can maybe explain otherwise I have an open mind about this one) and normal players that mine. Also people for some reason seem to dislike others whos playstyle is different to their own, funny since they are probably the sort of players that would least enjoy the game is it was entirely populated by others like them. One of the joys of the game is the fact there are so many different approaches and playstyles that are viable.

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People replied with irritants. I got irritated. I defended my stance and got in a verbal exchange with many who have not even read my OP.

It is that simple.

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Originally by: Savvon

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Baaldor (or should I say Desktop psychologist?),

It is human nature to try to label a person whom personality and/or characteristics you do not understand.

I have been labeled many things in this thread from positive to negative.

When people do not understand something, a concept, a person or a system people tend to over think and over "analyze" and then draw conclusions that are created from assumptions.

I will say it again (though it should be obvious), I was annoyed by the growing number of griefers. I came and vented on the forums. People replied with irritants. I got irritated. I defended my stance and got in a verbal exchange with many who have not even read my OP.

It is that simple.

Anyone else that wants to add falsities to the fact or wants to label me so they will feel more comfortable in this situation are nothing more then bored, sad little people who need more nurturing from family or friends.

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