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coldplasma
Killson Corp
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: coldplasma on 10/08/2007 22:24:55
Why is there no counter to cloakers who sit in your key 0.0 systems 24/7 so that noone can rat or mine? Why is there no sort of compromise to putting yourself on the front line right amongst the enemy forces? They nerf the NOS because they think it is overpowered, but as it stands, there is NOTHING you can do to get rid of these people. The ability to cloak and never be caught means that tactics that some corps use can never be defeated without some sheer luck. Tactics such as sitting a few snipers 239km off a gate cloaked and putting a cloaking dictor on the gate so that when anybody jumps in, the dictor drops a bubble, the person can't escape and thus the snipers have all the time in the world to uncloak and lock them and pop them. The snipers either then recloak or warp off to a safespot and cloak so that no gang, no matter how big it is, has a chance of catching them.
There NEEDS to be some sort of way to get around this, maybe by using specialised probes to find them.
Discuss.
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Sir Heavy
Dragonian Freelancers Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:29:00 -
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To become part of local, is a pirates most fierced weapon.
Gotta love it when you use it on your enemy. Yeh, k, not when you want to rat in peace...
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coldplasma
Killson Corp
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: coldplasma on 10/08/2007 22:31:48
 Originally by: Sir Heavy
To become part of local, is a pirates most fierced weapon.
Gotta love it when you use it on your enemy. Yeh, k, not when you want to rat in peace...
It's not just about ratting in peace. If anything is wrong, I think it is being able to sit in an enemy home system and quite happily sit there all day while you run away to go shopping, watch TV, do what you gotta do, etc. And the fact that the enemy know they are there and know there is nothing they can do is only the extra kick in the balls.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:41:00 -
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He's not even at his computer, he's no threat
Mindgames FTW!!! 
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
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Laura Steel
Minmatar
Independent Interspace Industiers
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:43:00 -
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Would it suck less if they stayed at the PC the entire time?
I think a counter for cloaks is in the works, kinda remember seeing some sort of 'pulse' on sisi..
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Sir Heavy
Dragonian Freelancers Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:44:00 -
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It takes some organisation to set up a cloaking snipe + dictor gang into 0.0. You don't walk through gatecamps with your 425's or 1400's all set up to snipe.
And as a countermeasure there's still:
A cov ops + dictor + gank-squad on let's say JUST ONE of their ships, it'll let them lose moral.
They've got the patience, why doesn't your gang?
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Sixtina KL
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sixtina KL on 10/08/2007 22:47:27
1) Probe the cloaker's position.
2) Activate smartbombs.
3) ??????
4) PROFIT!
Problem solved. ;)
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Xanstin
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sixtina KL
Edited by: Sixtina KL on 10/08/2007 22:47:27
1) Probe the cloaker's position.
2) Activate smartbombs.
3) ??????
4) PROFIT!
Problem solved. ;)
Right, but you can't actually do that. Probes dont find cloakers, hence people asking for cloak-finding probes.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: coldplasma
Discuss.
Why is there no counter to my rivals sitting peacefully and undisturbed in their key 0.0 camped-to-hell-and-back systems mining and ratting to fuel their war machine?
Oh wait, there is...
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:11:00 -
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Nobody should be %100 safe in Eve, including Cov Ops.
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:21:00 -
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Welcome to the world of eve, alot of people these days only play specifically to grief other players, by sitting in systems cloaked, I think it is a very extreme tactic to use cos u never know when they are afk, if you have 5+ online pilots then u should simply ***** on, mine or rat and make sure u got a few pilots with FOF missiles, just do your best buddy and accept some losses, its the only way.
I was camped in such a manner for 2 months by 1 cloaker and a few other pirates, however ive now got the combat recon, and can now camp these pirates cloaked, I have 2 accounts on 2 pc's so i can do the 1 pilot jams while the other unloads fire. You cant let these people dictate when u do your work. Think outside the box a little, u may have to stop or cut down on mining, and only rat. Gain minerals by refining what loot u get.
With regard to the sniper and dictor bubble tactic, maybe u gotta send loads of ships through and just destroy everything and accept some losses,
Every action has a re-action.
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Marcus Xavier
Minmatar
Xavier Institute for Higher Learning
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:28:00 -
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Wouldn't it be easier to summarize the suggestions from the few dozen threads on the same subject? At least folks wouldn't be rehashing the same old tired discussion.
What non-game solutions have you tried to counteract the two separate issues: AFK cloaked ship and the cloaked gatecamp? What has prevented your proposed solutions from working for each issue? Is this an actual loss or only perceived loss to mining and ratting?
Failure to provide this kind of information would prompt me to ask whether you prefer red or white...
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
He's not even at his computer, he's no threat
Wait, you have a way of telling if he's AFK while he's cloaked? Jesus, ****, dude, tell us how!
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:46:00 -
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I used to sit cloaked in a cerberus, I found when I was afk for more than 15 minutes, then i click somthing i get logged off, has anyone had similar experience?
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.11 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Steel
Would it suck less if they stayed at the PC the entire time?
As far as I know, there is no ship that can do any damage while cloaked. Maybe the Jovians have one or two up there sleeve. But as has been mentioned, a cloaked ship is NO threat 
Stop using macros, or trying to afk rat, and you will be fine
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.11 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
He's not even at his computer, he's no threat
Wait, you have a way of telling if he's AFK while he's cloaked? Jesus, ****, dude, tell us how!
It was in the thread title Sherlock
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar
54th Knights Templar
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.11 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dromidas Shadowmoon on 11/08/2007 00:59:00
Yes, this is a serious issue.. if you have a cloaked enemy in the system you never know whether its safe or not to turn on your AFK macros  I mean, CCP should really do something about this tactic, I missed all three of my support group meetings today because I didn't want to leave the computer while my macros were running cause I didn't know whether or not he was AFK.
Don't you realize how this tactic can ruin peoples lives???????????????????? It needs to be remedied! Maybe make it so you can mine and rat while cloaked, that way afk cloakers won't stop us from afk mining!
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BubbaZanetti
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Posted - 2007.08.11 01:12:00 -
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I agree. This needs to be fixed. The right way to fix it is to remove local. That way, no one will ever know there are AFK cloakers, so they will stop whining about it.
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar
54th Knights Templar
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.11 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: BubbaZanetti
I agree. This needs to be fixed. The right way to fix it is to remove local. That way, no one will ever know there are AFK cloakers, so they will stop whining about it.
That is a great solution, I never really knew why local should always report everyone in it at all anyway. I could see it still being there for chat but it shouldn't list the occupants.
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Rawthorm
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2007.08.11 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rawthorm on 11/08/2007 01:33:52
So let me get this. A hostile comes into local and cloaks. He does nothing. Its not harming you in any way. You by choice choose not to go about your daily buisness because he's here.
Now CCP should change the game mechanics cos you dont have the stones or inteligence to carry on about your daily buisness while you have someone in local...why exactly?
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Elfaen Ethenwe
Eternal Rising
EternalRising
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Posted - 2007.08.11 01:48:00 -
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As leader of my alliance, i take full responsibillity for this emo like whine. No offence bud, but get used to it. You havnt seen nothing yet. As delta, your fc said, you've anoyed the wrong alliance.
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Empire marketslave
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Posted - 2007.08.11 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm
Edited by: Rawthorm on 11/08/2007 01:33:52
So let me get this. A hostile comes into local and cloaks. He does nothing. Its not harming you in any way. You by choice choose not to go about your daily buisness because he's here.
Now CCP should change the game mechanics cos you dont have the stones or inteligence to carry on about your daily buisness while you have someone in local...why exactly?
because they can goto work for 8 hours come back home eat then jump on eve see that there is a mining op/ratter and start causing havoc
while that 8 hrs is going on everyone in the system has to assume that he can come back at anytime
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MAD D0G
Caldari
Eternal Rising
EternalRising
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Posted - 2007.08.11 01:55:00 -
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why do i get the felling this post was aimed at me .
anyway now i no how u feel about it ill try to do it a little more often :-}
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Mind's Desire
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Posted - 2007.08.11 01:59:00 -
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Why do they need a counter ? What do you want to counter ? Their inaction ?
As the others have pointed out, you shouldn't be even knowing they're in your system anyways.
Be glad you have your system wide AFK-Cloaker detector.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
It was in the thread title Sherlock
don't be a ****ant. the entire point of an AFK cloaker is that you don't know he's AFK. He poses the same potential threat whether he's there or not.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
It was in the thread title Sherlock
don't be a ****ant. the entire point of an AFK cloaker is that you don't know he's AFK. He poses the same potential threat whether he's there or not.
And that matters exactly how?
Seriously, fly with friends. You are in 0.0, UNSECURED SPACE. You aren't supposed to fly blissfully afk knowing you are perfectly safe. Hell, us Empire Carebears get told to fly with friends all the time, why shouldn't you?
Whining about feeling unsafe and having to worry because someone might attack you when you live in 0.0 makes us Empire Carebears seem like almighty PvPers.
Heh, and they call US carebears. Deal with it. Fly with friends. Watch who you smack talk and who you turn into an enemy.
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: coldplasma
Discuss.
Why is there no counter to my rivals sitting peacefully and undisturbed in their key 0.0 camped-to-hell-and-back systems mining and ratting to fuel their war machine?
Oh wait, there is...
Ding ding ding......WINNER 
End of discussion
Cloak probes? Ok...when local is removed  .
Cloak probes? OK...when the ability to fit WCS and weapons at the same time is removed
Cloak probes? Ok...when static disruptor bubbles are removed from game
Cloak probes? Ok...when 0.0 alliances are no longer allowed to have losec POS's
Cloak probes? Ok...when cap ships are no longer allowed in losec
Cloak probes? Ok...when CCP introduces a non-cap ship jump portal generator to properly open up space.
MORE cake and cookies for alliances? Fuggedaboudit
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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hishlong
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:33:00 -
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maybe thay should get rid of cloaking all together and instead of lasers guns and missiles thay should give us pillows to fight with. on a serious note if you could scan for cloaked ships then not only would it be pointless to have a cloaking device or cov op ship but it would destroy exploration as far as 0.0 is concerned. so maybe the answer is to get rid of both cloaking and scanning. go back to the old ways of doing things. and wile we are at it how bout we get rid of warp bubbles and jump to 0. lets return the game to a player matching wits against another player and not skill/equipment dependent care bear whiners.
complaining about not being able to macro afk because of the guy in local thay cant scan down.
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Modrak Vseth
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:37:00 -
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Would it be better if they went AFK at a station in the system? I think that might actually be a better idea then AFK cloaking. They would know where you were, but they would want to keep tabs on you. That means either keeping someone in the station to keep an eye on you or camping the station, occupying even more people. I know you can't do any scanning or anything from within the station, but if you're doing it mostly to create unease in the system, it would be pretty effective.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.08.11 03:31:00 -
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Decided to run some cosmos missions to bring a little change to the eve experience.. So I start running missions and as soon as I get to the area where I need to hack some containers a cloaked raven appears right next to the spawn container I need to get and grabs the loot so I have to wait x hours to the next cosmos mission locked container spawn..  These guys literally have it down to the microsecond.. Oh well fitting a cloak and will emulate the succesful eve players so I can compete.. 
Originally by: David Hackworth
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