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CCP kieron	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:26:00 - [1] Yesterday, we published a news item announcing the closure of the EVE Market channels in two weeks time, as well as immediately turning the EVE: The Second Genesis CCG forums into a read-only archive. This announcement and the removal of the ability to create new posts in the Market channels were both premature. While the Market forums will eventually be closed, this action will not be taken until the in-game market and contract systems have been made more robust and useful. The return of the ability to create new posts in the Market forum channels should return during Wednesday's normal maintenance period. The CCG forum channels will remain in their read-only archival state. kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait...

Zathuraa Applied Cyronics	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:27:00 - [2] Thank you soo much CCP!
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:29:00 - [3] Very good move, big pat on the back to you for it Improve Market Competition!
Entity X-Factor Industries	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:35:00 - [4] Much better. ‌_ Got Item? \| Ship? \| Python EVE API?
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:36:00 - [5] Thank you for listening to our concerns. Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:40:00 - [6] eeeexcellent ------ When you say "no one's perfect", Chuck Norris takes this as a personal insult.
1v1 Cake Factory	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:42:00 - [7] Well done CCP, thank you for listening. --------------------------------------------------- Cake Factory: Bulk discounted T2, BS BPC's.
Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:43:00 - [8] Why is it planned to close the Market forums sometime later anyway?
Trader Sandy	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:45:00 - [9] While I am glad that there was a change of heart.. I would suggest a bit more thought before you make such sweeping changes..
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:52:00 - [10] Even though i didn't post in the "rabble rabble rabble" thread, i was very disappointed with CCP's initial move. I'm glad to know that CCP listens to its costumers. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!

Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:54:00 - [11] Originally by: CCP kieron ...While the Market forums will eventually be closed... So... why the new thread? So we can congratulate you for avoiding a monumental mistake? If we can't convince you to not do something that 99.9% (so far i have seen 2 people in agreement of the change) of the player base is quite vehemently opposed to, then what's the point of even posting? You may as well go tell us to **** ourselves again like when you told us to go use Chribba's free site as a replacement for your lack of service.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Katharina Gorbacheva Why is it planned to close the Market forums sometime later anyway? When the problems causing the rabble are addressed they'll be closed. But it's only the buy/sell/trade, not the whole market forum. Improve Market Competition!
Hamalicious Middle Finger Technology	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:54:00 - [13] Honestly you will have to monitor the sugar intake of the guy that thought that closing the trade forums was the best step forward. Thankfully CCP took the hint from the community that it is not what they wanted, thank you for reinstating the trade forums.
Cor'len Inquest	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:54:00 - [14] I'm frankly amazed that CCP listened. But, well, I guess not closing them is the sensible course of action. Not that CCP doesn't listen, but there is usually a lot more back-and-forth and hiding behind the desk before they own up to it, anyhow. ;) -Cor There'd be a graphical sig here if I wasn't so lazy.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:54:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP kieron This announcement and the removal of the ability to create new posts in the Market channels were both premature. While the Market forums will eventually be closed, this action will not be taken until the in-game market and contract systems have been made more robust and useful. Thank you very much. Originally by: CCP kieron The return of the ability to create new posts in the Market forum channels should return during Wednesday's normal maintenance period. The CCG forum channels will remain in their read-only archival state. I am wondering, sir, if the old forums (once deemed extraneous) will be maintained for a time as well in an archival state? It's A GIRL!!!!!
Aduna Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:55:00 - [16] kieron and CCP, Thank you for restoring faith to the community that you do listen to the playerbase. Keep up a good track record of doing so, and you'll never have to worry about bad press ever again :) This was an initial bad decision, but I'm glad to see that your e-egos can admit when you're wrong and fix the issue :) Originally by: James 315 Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:57:00 - [17] thanks
Jobie Thickburger Gallente Condottieri Industries	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:05:00 - [18] /me breaks out the "good stuff" and poors everyone a glass We love you CCP. Thanks for listing to the masses! Save the Sell Forums
Contralto Department Of Health and Social Security	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:06:00 - [19] A big thanks, my faith is restored! Yaay for "people power"
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:08:00 - [20] Good change. In general I do not see any problems from moving the whole forum trade wholly into the game, but right now the "infrastructure" for that simply isn't there.

Richard Kitan United Space Republic Research	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:08:00 - [21] Mineral compression nerf, closing trade forums.. thanks for undoing them, but wtf were you guys thinking doing this in the first place? At least now I can post a "WTB: Whatever the Devs are Smoking" Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums
Altaree Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:10:00 - [22] I am guessing they went on vacation and came back a bit nutty.
Stakhanov Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:11:00 - [23] Thus began the Eve democracy. Originally by: Cipher7 If you manage to get baited, what's your skill, being a good victim?
Soldur Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:14:00 - [24] yay i can buy itams from work again...thank you very much for understanding the communitys use of this forum
Shin Ra Origin Unknown.	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:16:00 - [25] woot, good move
Fabricati Diem Burleigh and Strong	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:18:00 - [26] Thank you.
Kua Toil Trading Alt-ercations	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:21:00 - [27] GO CCP! WTS: Uber mods. Oooops wrong forum .
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:28:00 - [28] Good work CCP. Some times eating a little humble pie goes a LONG way towards showing your commitment to your customers. Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
Mack Dorgeans Camelot Innovations	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:31:00 - [29] So, whose desk did improvement of the contract system just get dumped on? Is there any chance we could get a blog on this in the near future so the community has a chance to offer suggestions and feedback before the next premature decision is made?
Doctor Mario LightHammer MAC	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:40:00 - [30] Very good job CCP. You should listen more often to your customers.

DRMALIKIA United Technologies	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:40:00 - [31] YAY! Holy crap! You guys listened! Very impressive! I don't care what they say about you, the call to undo the damage was extremely customer friendly. Thank you. Job well done. CCP RESPOND PLEASE!
raWill	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:42:00 - [32] Yay..... \o/ I will still be able to buy eve things at work!!!!
dunston thorbald Thorbald Industries	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:44:00 - [33] Excellent, Thanks for listening. Might I suggest a 'Service' section for service providers like myself
Aceoil Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:54:00 - [34] Thanks for listening CCP. Lets fix the contracts system now.
stormyfs911 Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.22 03:14:00 - [35] <3 CCP
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2007.08.22 03:16:00 - [36] Dear Keiron & CCP, Thank you for taking the time and considering the needs of the players and the current contract & in-game market situation. I am sure that it was not easy to go back on something that you guys, apparently, really want. But, this was not the time to take away the sales forums - not yet. Hopefully sometime in the future the contracts and in-game market will be improved sufficiently to justify the removal of the forums. Some suggestions: Contracts: Should have same functionality as a market, where the players can see the "averages" on given items and categories, split/difirentiated by Region/Price. Should be claimable from any part of the universe. Interbus should be re-activated, for a nominal fee & some period of time later, items should be deliverable. Players should have an ability to set minimal bid increments & sniper rules. And, there has to be a way to sell the Super Capital ships via Contract. Also, players need to have an ability to set the reserve prices in Contract. Thats about all I can think of, I am sure others will have more ideas for the improvement. Anyway, thanks again for listening to the community.
Investigador Caldari Hator inc	Posted - 2007.08.22 03:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: CCP kieron ...While the Market forums will eventually be closed... So... why the new thread? So we can congratulate you for avoiding a monumental mistake? HELL, YEAH. Say thank you for the fact that the EVE team will actually retract his decisions and correct the mistake when the player base gets into uproar.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.08.22 03:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Richard Kitan Mineral compression nerf, closing trade forums.. thanks for undoing them, but wtf were you guys thinking doing this in the first place? At least now I can post a "WTB: Whatever the Devs are Smoking" When did they back off the compression nerf?
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.08.22 03:49:00 - [39] Thank you.
Aidan Ryder Ryder Interstellar Fuel Services	Posted - 2007.08.22 03:53:00 - [40] yay, now I dont have to close my business! But when this does happen, where can I import my 12 page thread

big mang	Posted - 2007.08.22 03:55:00 - [41] /me gives CCP a high five, knew you had it in you
Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.22 04:00:00 - [42] WELL DONE CCP! Bout time you listened to the 20-something pages of "NO"... ________________________________ High Sec PvP Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.08.22 04:07:00 - [43] Thank you for listening to our request. Originally by: CCP Prism X P.S. If you think you're reading some information through the lines here, you're wrong. I'm actually just bored.
Flaming Lemming Caldari Puppeteer Press	Posted - 2007.08.22 04:21:00 - [44] First the mineral compression nerf, and now this, 2 flip-flops in one week. Glad to see you're willing to backtrack when 'less-than-ideal' decisions are made, but the real question is what were you thinking in the first place? Still, good job on your reconsidering the issues. No such thing as bad press!
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.08.22 04:31:00 - [45] We use the sell forums as eve's advertising service. It's the only one we really had (short of ponying up for E-ON or an ad at Eve-Files), I'm glad you decided not to nerf them. Are they running on a different server from the game yet? -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales
Shadarl	Posted - 2007.08.22 04:53:00 - [46] I do not even remotely understand why the channels would be closed in the first place. Why on earth would a company intentionally take away something that its customers use all the time and some consider an essential part of their game play. I can see that the forums would be a lot less used if Contracts actually worked like they should and if the market itself was ever updated to be even easier to use. But until the forum becomes less popular why close them? The sell forum is EXTREMELY busy. Until it is barely used CCP should realize their market/contract system is not good enough.
Jim Linger Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:04:00 - [47] morale of the story: It takes 25 pages of whining to get to the soft chewy center of a ccp-pop
Velvet69 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:04:00 - [48] I think some 'fresh out of uni graduate' got to make thier 1st big decision and ballsed it right up. o/ Velve IXC Velvet69 Proud Member of 'The House of Prawn'
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:05:00 - [49] CCP needs to implement ways to advertise your services in-game if they ever consider removing the WTS/WTB forums. Either that, or they open a service forum for specifically that. How can I advertise my research abilities to potential members without any tools available to do so. Unless CCP directly accept and prefer we spam secure containers at every station and gate in Eve. Now, think of me doing that with 300 gates. Then picture 3,000 other people doing the same thing. Please don't force us into this kind of scenario CCP. The game is laggy enough, and a lot of us use these forums whilst at work etc. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
baffy Atlas Incorporated SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:27:00 - [50] You announced a change but then the community voiced its opinion and you listened to us. im impressed ccp, nice work.

Lori Carlyle Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:35:00 - [51] Woohoo! Good move ---- Cribba's Eve Live Sales Forum Now Open!!. Cribba 1 CCP 0
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:45:00 - [52] Hurraaaay!!! Now I woke up and read these news and my day is made! Very good!!
Malarki X Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:46:00 - [53] Great news ! My fith had been restored
Naate Minmatar The Elear Eastern Star Federation	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:46:00 - [54] Most excellent. I am very, very pleased with the retraction of this decision. :) As someone had already mentioned, I do hope that when the decision to pull the plug on these forums comes up again and is made 'for real' that an area is created for the sale of Services. But that is a bridge to cross when we get there, I suppose. :) --- IGB Corp Sites
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:49:00 - [55] Originally by: CCP kieron While the Market forums will eventually be closed, this action will not be taken until the in-game market and contract systems have been made more robust and useful. No I don't think you understand, We don't want the market forums taken down ever. If we don't want the forums taken down now, we aren't going to flip flop a few months down the road, unlike a certain game developing company we know :P. (Just kidding, seriously. :p) The forums are used to sell services, shares, and items you can't put on contracts. ATM, I can't think of a way contracts could be fixed/improved to include super capitals, shares, and advertising services without breaking contracts even more. :/
Sihar Sihars Little Industries	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:52:00 - [56] Good decision, you can be proud of yourself! Listening to the playerbase is always good and seeing that you do is good to know. Now it is easy again to point at CCP and say 'look, they are closely working together with the players and change their game if the players voice too much concern'. Not many companies do so, stay special like this
Jess Ica Gallente Star Productions and Research	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:57:00 - [57] Originally by: CCP kieron This announcement and the removal of the ability to create new posts in the Market channels were both premature. While the Market forums will eventually be closed, this action will not be taken until the in-game market and contract systems have been made more robust and useful. I got a few questions which i hope some1 from CCP will answer: 1. Why do u want to close the forums at a later time when u see ppl complaining about it...as they said services can't be offered the way it is in the forums. MS or bigger can't dock so can't be sold except in direct trade in space which is already a problem and will be even more after that. So why make it harder for them? 2. Without the forums sooner or later away many many ppl who bid from work on auctions or who look for items for sale can't do that anymore as 99% of them can't use EVE at work which is logical and well let's say usefull for the work their But at least the forums helped them with that! So why make their game experience with shutting down the forums worse? 3. Pricechecks as also many ppl said from the last year etc will be lost in a matter that u can check a while the old forum as read only but while the time passes u can't check how prices evolved in the contract system! This is bad for economy. Also it's way harder to browse the contract system than the forums and if i want to look for lets say T2 BPO's i can do easy on forum but need to look through every item to find maybe something on contracts. Why do that?? 4. Many ppl don't have that much time to play and don't want to waste most of their gaming time to find offers and maybe a good deal on contract system which takes a lot to browse while they can just recheck quickly what happened on the forums. Which means u guys make their game experience worse and not more fun or usefull for them. Why u wanna do that? 5. As an EX SWG hardcore fan/member i can tell u that except the combat revamp which killed the game by gameplay the second biggest mistake of SOE was that the Devs didn't talked to the players about changes....they made them like u do in the latest time and so SOE changed a lot without user feedback and lost all to this! Don't do the same mistake! Wanna change something make a poll and let users decide what changes they want which of course u consider to implant! Don't make the boss figure and do as u please! Big mistake from a very huge game which drowned!!! (A comment would be nice on this point!) Pls any1 from CCP could offer us for these questions some responses would be surely welcome by the players as u say always this is a discussion but we always discuss without any response from CCP like the initial post for the forum closing! So get back to earth and talk to us here right at the problem CCP! Research Service!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.08.22 06:19:00 - [58] Thank you! While I still rather not see the forum close at any time, this at least gives us more than 2 weeks to adapt to future changes. For me, I use the market forums (especially Sell orders) to browse around for items and auctions that might be interesting without having a set goal what to look for - this is something that not can be done 24/7 if it was turned in-game as there is downtime, times when I am not able to log but but still able to surf. I am probably not the only one doing it this way (judging from the number of pages in the threads...). Keep up the great work and thank you for listening and returning the forums, for now. /c Help me help you .

Lungorthin Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.22 06:32:00 - [59] Thank God! Closing the Trade sections on this forum would have been a mistake of Titan proportions. Actually the trade forum section for each game -EVE included- is one of the whole forum SUPPORTING PILLARS.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.22 06:39:00 - [60] \o/ ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

Helen STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.22 06:41:00 - [61] Until contracts can encompass all aspects of what the sell order section of these forums provide please do not close them. I think you severely underestimate player reaction to its closure and still do. STK providing Mothership deaths since 2007
Thraxon Black-Sun-Inventions	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:05:00 - [62] Thank you
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:12:00 - [63] /me/ gives champagne bottles to CCP & Kieron Thank you , thank you & thank you
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:14:00 - [64] Just a quick sayin they are still locked atm , hopefully you will unlock them ASAP
Jess Ica Gallente Star Productions and Research	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:26:00 - [65] Originally by: General Apocalypse Just a quick sayin they are still locked atm , hopefully you will unlock them ASAP As they said after DT they fix it..... @ CCP: Still waiting for a response Research Service!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:29:00 - [66] Good move. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
SPIONKOP Caldari Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:29:00 - [67] Common Sense 4TW Well done CCP. Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Siddious Serenity Of Lost Souls	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:31:00 - [68] Well done... Glad the forums will stay open.. The contract system needs some big changes before they can replace the current forum. ------
Vincent S	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:38:00 - [69] I really hope you'll take this feedback and do something about the contract system. The old escrow was great because you could get a huge list and browse for items and look for deals. This is almost impossible with contracts because they take so much more space for each item, the list is far too short, and they are loaded in a strange way without any good sorting. Also the search could be done SO much better. Why do we have to search for a specific item? Why can't I write "Shadow serpentis" in the search box to list all matching items? Half the fun of shopping is looking for good deals, but that becomes a chore when you have to look through every goddamn individual item by itself. The list of the faults with the contracts system could make a very long post, but at least to my eyes it seems to be one of the easier parts of Eve to improve, and it could add soooo much to the game.
Deacon Ix Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:52:00 - [70] Thank You! I love this game but the decision to remove the trade forums took a large lump out of the experiance which for me is Eve. My main joy in the trade forums is brousing them out of game - when I have the ability to get in game I prefere to go Pew Pew rather than brouse the contracts. Many Thanks again for reversing this decision Originally by: Steini OFSI The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.

Kerfira	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:54:00 - [71] Originally by: Jinx Barker Should be claimable from any part of the universe. This is actually not too big a problem, and could be accepted since it's only once.... Much more problematic is not being able to bid and re-bid from afar, since you may have to do this multiple times..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Drackx Grumpy Old Men	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:59:00 - [72] As said before (see original thread) it's OK to close them in the future if you give us ALL the functionality that we require. I believe 25 pages of feedback (not all usefull) can get you started. Make sure services (lab slots, Ventrillo/TS renting, IG website creations, IPO's, BPC copying etc...) can be offered in contracts or some other place. If we can run around in station in the future, make it possible to rent an office where we can offer the above mentioned stuff and let us make publicity in stations and in space :-) Drackx
Maze La'Zie Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:03:00 - [73] Thank you. And thank you for listening.
F0XY	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:06:00 - [74] I hate the Market forum - it is unwieldy, amateurish and awkward to use, and I am glad it is closing. The in-game systems need a bit of improving, but are much nicer to use
Drackx Grumpy Old Men	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:10:00 - [75] Edited by: Drackx on 22/08/2007 08:10:59 o and while at it, I'm wondering, why don't you put all faction, storyline and other exotic items not in the market. This would immediately solve the problem of not having history on prices for these items. Contracts can't solve all these problems. But I believe the Market and Contracts together could solve most of them. Drackx
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:13:00 - [76] Well done.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:17:00 - [77] OOG forums provide region-free trading that is at best only clumsily provided for by the in-game Eve trading system. I hate the current contract system, since it takes forever to specify the items I want, and then I have to look for the next item I want, etc. etc ad nauseum. Terriblely slow and non-intuitive interface, tbh. Whatever happened to wildcards in specific searches, guys? You know, like most searchable DB's have? Maybe I want to look for ALL Core-x items in an module area without relying on shoddy 'description' searches? The sell forum allows me to browse much more quickly and comprehensively. If you are set on closing the OOG access, inquire first why so many people are annoyed at the proposed closure; hint: it offers a lower-hassle way of finding/buying system than the limiting and clumsy in-game system you forced on us. Try listening to your customers on this issue, it might be illuminating __________________________________________________ FOLD. The Ultimate PVP. It really is Us vs. Them. clicky
Arithron	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:36:00 - [78] Ahhh, what did I say! Changes to contract systems in pipelines!!! Pity that of the 25 pages of whining/bellyaching there is maybe 5% of posts with anything useful in terms of suggested improvements etc. Its times like these that you see the snall (maybe 500 players?) percentage of total players that resist change with no _REAL_ reason, other than they can't understand (or be bothered to understand) a system in-game, which is getting some improvements. It really was depressing to read those 25 pages of whinging, with only a few players actually looking forward to better things- you should all be ashamed of yourselves. Would you treat people/businesses like that in real life? If so, I hope I never have the displeasure of doing it with you... Ari P.S: My favourite theme from the pages, which sums up some peoples attitudes: I can't browse from Work!!! You really need to turn EVE off for a bit and enjoy the beautiful world a little
Level4 Minmatar Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:36:00 - [79] Good decision CCP, The day you dont see feedback from the community on matters like this, is the day they stopped caring. I am partly glad to see that despite all the negative atmosphere lately, ppl still care alot about this game, and that CCP still listens to their playerbase, but i am also sadden to see that these forum wars seems to be the only way we can communicate with CCP. I would advice CCP to hire another Community manager, with perhaps more experience at avoiding the kind of negative reactions we have just witnessed yesterday. You can only do this soo many time before ppl pack-up and leave. join channel "Profit".
Arrs Grazznic FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:37:00 - [80] CCP thank you for listening to your paying customers and having the bottle to admit you made a mistake. I'm looking forward to a functionally rich in-game contract and services system, however I believe that the web-based forum should still exist in some form. Cheers, Arrs FireStar are now recruiting

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:45:00 - [81] Originally by: CCP kieron While the Market forums will eventually be closed, this action will not be taken until the in-game market and contract systems have been made more robust and useful. Are there plans to let people do contract searches via the API? Come to think of it, this deserves a topic in the Game Development Forum... My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.08.22 08:45:00 - [82] This is what makes CCP a good company - Takes balls to admit a mistake/premature action... Lets hope to see contracts evolve before drastic measures take place. Brief applause to CCP - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.08.22 09:02:00 - [83] Originally by: Drackx o and while at it, I'm wondering, why don't you put all faction, storyline and other exotic items not in the market. This would immediately solve the problem of not having history on prices for these items. Contracts can't solve all these problems. But I believe the Market and Contracts together could solve most of them. ... so... bloody... /signed.... It is so utterly annoying that there are large number of common items for which you don't have the sales statistics. Faction items, Officer items, Cosmos items, Implants, Drugs etc. etc. Effectively, it makes it impossible to put a price on these items. You more or less have to trade blind. So, add all standard items (this include officer/faction/cosmos items, all implants, drugs, mission items etc.) to the market, and leave the contract system for Auctions (and make those usable first, please, i.e. with proper time announcements, sniper rules, different auction forms, specifiable minimum increments, no minimum price etc.), Package deals, non-standard items like BPC's and rigged ships, Courier contracts etc. Another thing you need to put in is a flag so we can exclude 'buy' contracts from search results. 90% or so of 'buy' contracts are scams anyway..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
CaldariAdam	Posted - 2007.08.22 09:50:00 - [84] I encourage more pod pilots to join the in-pod trade channels. This is only a delay to remove a station only forum.
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.08.22 09:50:00 - [85] Why bother doing it in the first place though? Does it really matter if people arrange their sales on the forums or through the in game mechanics? Is it that much of a burden on the forum servers that people have the cheek to try and use the forums for game related stuff? Sheer folly. Click here to visit our site
Gorek Loc Fine Art Manufactury	Posted - 2007.08.22 09:53:00 - [86] Originally by: CCP kieron This announcement and the removal of the ability to create new posts in the Market channels were both premature. While the Market forums will eventually be closed, this action will not be taken until the in-game market and contract systems have been made more robust and useful. Thank you. Now I suggest people to post suggestions and improvements on the contracts system on the Features and Ideas Discussion forum. --- Compare items ? Image 1 - Image 2 Thanks to Daetusk.
Ronny Hendriks FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 09:55:00 - [87] thanks CCP for keeping the trade forums open! how much i'd like every item to be on the market screen i can foresee some trouble in this as well. there are tons of items in EVE and it would really clutter the market interface. it's hard enough with some of it's bugs already (the reseting of the index on the left side i.e. although). a;though it is a viable option imo. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.08.22 09:56:00 - [88] ccp, what's with all the "without shadow, there can be no light" actions lately? - putting the gist back into logistics
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:08:00 - [89] I've started a thread where people can list features that need to be added to the contracts system: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=580198 My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Kappas. Galaxy Punks O X I D E	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:16:00 - [90] Glad you saw sense. Guess it was quite hard for you having to retract that.

Gorek Loc Fine Art Manufactury	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:18:00 - [91] Well... you may have reopened the market forum, but the sell, buy and trade forums are still closed for action. I still want those reopened until the contracts can fully replace the forums! --- Compare items ? Image 1 - Image 2 Thanks to Daetusk.
Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:18:00 - [92] CCP, thank you so much! You've just gone up a whole load in my good books :) Although, maybe this was their plan all along! /tinfoilhat
Gorek Loc Fine Art Manufactury	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:20:00 - [93] Originally by: Kappas. Glad you saw sense. Guess it was quite hard for you having to retract that. Appearently, they didn't retract anything... --- Compare items ? Image 1 - Image 2 Thanks to Daetusk.
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Velvet69 I think some 'fresh out of uni graduate' got to make thier 1st big decision and ballsed it right up. o/ Velve My city hired a new "traffic consultant" who promptly spent quite a bit turning a roundabout into a traffic light junction.. in the past month there have been more accidents there than there has been in the past 20 years, and traffic now backs up for nearly half a mile ;P.... It does happen.. I am sure ccp had their reasons for wanting this but there was no way contracts were mature enough to take this stuff.. When contracts are much better & much more mature then people will naturally quit using forums anyhow. Oh, and city planners have decided to turn off the traffic lights and replace the junction with a roundabout next year.
Realypk Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:36:00 - [95] lol but they still plan to close it in the future??? Lol.... i can immagine that bieng a very very distant one otherwise you will have 1000's going for CCP's throught again
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:41:00 - [96] Jesus, you can't even apologise right. Just admit you made a mistake, keep the forum forever. Unless the 'improvements' are coming "SoonÖ" expect another thread like this when they actually do close. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
Butternut Squash Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:49:00 - [97] I for one am happy to use the contract system in game (if/when it works), I do appreciate the argument of people who buy/sell whilst at work etc and I am sorry that those people will ultimately lose out if/when you finally close down the buy/sell forum. I suspect Wrangler felt a little bit like the person who knocked the first domino over ... then sat back and went "oopppss ... whhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" I am jealous of my wife ... she already has a titan :D
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:58:00 - [98] Thanks for listening to us. -----
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:08:00 - [99] Good to hear the forum won't be closed, but I do have a few questions regarding how or why this announcement was made; Originally by: CCP Kieron This announcement and the removal of the ability to create new posts in the Market channels were both premature. How exactly can the announcement be premature? CCP Wrangler stated the following: Originally by: CCP Wrangler With the contract system and market in game we have decided to close down the trading forums. The only way you can call it premature would be if the contract system would receive a massive overhaul within a short period of time. Is this the case? If this isn't the case wouldn't it be a better choice of words saying CCP made a big boo boo? Originally by: CCP Kieron While the Market forums will eventually be closed, this action will not be taken until the in-game market and contract systems have been made more robust and useful. Euhm? One of the advantages of using a forum is that it's out of game. Unless you make the contract system in such a way that it follows the following guidelines you SHOULD NOT remove the trade forums; -Being able of doing bids out of game and in game from all over the universe, so you can check prices and bid while at work without an Eve client or while camping your favorite .0 system. -Being able of selling everything from all goods (including officer loot, mother ships etc.), services, forum signatures, killboards to IGB **. -Being able of searching through all past auctions so you have a good price indication of what something is worth. -Have a decent bidding mechanism, allow to see the exact time an auction ends, allow bidding while the server is down, allow the seller to adjust end time incase a server screw up, allow you to set a proper bid increase and allow you to set a proper sniper rule. -Being able of getting references for items/services requiring trust (eg. someone making sigs can have people posting in his auction to show that the seller delivers good sigs). All these changes would just make the ingame contracting system exactly the same as the current sell order forum currently is, requiring just as much moderation as the current board. Now onto the following questions if there is any connection with ISD's removal. Currently the sales forum is the biggest forum in terms of posts on these boards, hence the suspicion is rather easily raised that the removal of CCP's cheap labor (namely ISD which is guided by a few CCP employees instead of having a fulltime mod squad on the pay roll) had anything to do with the announcement of the removal of the most used forum. Is this correct? If not, don't you agree it was a horrid timing of both posts? Also in CCP Kieron's blog about the removal of ISD he amongst other stated the following; Originally by:** CCP Kieron We hope that the EVE community will understand and support us through these changes, recognizing the overall goal is to support our players in the best manner possible. That was posted like 8 hours after the announcement of the sales forum being removed. So you were aware that the forum would be removed. How come you could call this supporting our players in the best manner possible? Also if this blog was premature, as in posted to soon (which is the definition of premature) how come it took more then 12 hours to figure it out? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:13:00 - [100] Stop complaining, it was a booboo, and they retracted it. They listened, and that's the end of it... till the idea pops up again.. ;-D

Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:30:00 - [101] Btw we just had the forum DT and the market forums are still not postable for new topics. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:34:00 - [102] VICTORY! ---
Trina Mador Minmatar	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:41:00 - [103] Edited by: Trina Mador on 22/08/2007 11:44:14 Originally by: CCP kieron ... While the Market forums will eventually be closed... WHY? I think you guys don't follow why people use the buy and sell forums. And I'm not gonna bother to say why because you wont listen just the same... as you have not listened so far.
Have some	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:48:00 - [104] Can't see why need to close the market forums and what the benefit is, It's quite obvious if there closed people will simply move onto another forum to do there trading.
Seriya Caldari RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:51:00 - [105] Well done, thank you for listening. Personally I'll be happy for the forums to be closed as soon as they're completely unnecessary and in no way better than in-game alternatives, although I do feel for those who arrange trades outside of the game, for example at work. Hopefully something can be done for them as well.
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:53:00 - [106] No matter what you do to the contracts system, they will NEVER be as good or as useful as a forum. This is simply down to the fact a forum is an open-ended area for discussion, and contracts requires you to fill in a certain set of variables. These variables can never be as flexible as a block of text. For this reason alone, the contracts system can never be allowed to sit independently, instead, it should be further adapted to complement the forums, rather than to be furhter removed from them.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:57:00 - [107] I can't understand why you'd actually want to close an active and popular service, when clearly it'd upset so many people. It seems like fixing what isn't broken; shutting the single busiest (and arguably most useful) function of this website for little apparent reason seems like nothing but a backwards step for EVE. Glad to see you're putting the plans on hold for a while though. More time to "persuade" you...cheques in the mail, guy with a cricket bat will be along shortly after? --------
Shiodome	Posted - 2007.08.22 12:19:00 - [108] why all the "brave decision, really have confidence in CCP now" ass kissing? was a blend of stupidity, rashness and mismanagement. if your government came along and introduced some sweeping law that made no sense and was extremely unpopular... then abolished it the next day, you wouldn't be going "wow, i really admire that you backed down"... you'd be worried about what the hell kind of asshats are running the show? a bit of stability, planning and a half coherant rationale would be nice
Kastar Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.22 12:24:00 - [109] Good, now please start focussing on the things that matter -----------------------------------------------
Deimus Gallente Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.08.22 12:24:00 - [110] Closing down the Market forum is the worst idea ever, amongst others you've come up recently. You are going to remove a WORKING SYSTEM and replace it with an UNTESTED SYSTEM that I assume you think is greater than the current system. "If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT." - some dude You will just create problems for yourself as many have stated and reconsider ever closing down the Market Forums for good. "While the Market forums will eventually be closed . . ." - worst statement if the year. If you do go ahead with this horrid idea and close it down in the future, a 3rd party forum for the Market shouldn't be hard too establish. It will completely defeat YOUR PURPOSE. THINK and LISTEN BEFORE YOU ACT! Deimus. P.S. I hope you return to your sanity or get help.

Sith8 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.08.22 12:29:00 - [111] Phat pat on da back CCP ... Good move to listen to your playerbase and keep this vital service open.
Fafhred F'Leiber	Posted - 2007.08.22 12:40:00 - [112] Edited by: Fafhred F''Leiber on 22/08/2007 12:43:14 If you want to eventually close the forum market, you must FIRST be sure that the in-game market and contracts allow EVERY possible transaction, AND that the selection 'ALL' in contracts really covers the whole universe, not just a larger area as is the case at the moment: a) many items are NOT tradeable, and some existing items do not even have an hyperlink (I saw one of those 2 days ago, looking from the items variants from an existing item. The variant I was interested in was not featured on the market, could not be found using contracts (item not listed), an did not have an hyperlink for it). b) goods that are illegal in any area cannot be contracted. Well, some have legitimate reasons to be traded. c) I often found that while going to a station where a contact is pending, that contract appears or disappears from the list using ALL, depending where I was. This was discussed in the CAS channel last week, with example of an item for which a variable number of offers was seen below a certain price, depending where the corp member was. Currently, 'ALL' is a misnomer. Until ALL this works in-game, suppressing the forum market will be a major*****-up. Well, I see this being censored, but the expression I used should not have been, although I can see while the character string could have been, taken out of context.
Krypt Angel Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.22 12:52:00 - [113] WTS 30k torches and pitchforks, 1 tanker full of tar and 100k lbs of feathers Guess we won't be needing them after all In all honesty the announced closure would have had little effect on me as I am not a hardcore trader. That aside what really got to me about the whole thing was the sheer lack of warning and/or consultation to the community you hold so dear. Thank the gods you were able to see the error of yer ways before it was too late. With that I say nice job dodging the bullet on this one, had you stayed the course our faith in you woulda taken a wicked shot to the heart.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.22 13:06:00 - [114] Boo, you cave in to scammers. CCP giving "oomph" to Amarr's: Nerffing most of ships via Khanid Mk2. Enjoy your "oomphffs" people! :rolleyes:
Nordhaus Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.08.22 13:11:00 - [115] Thanks CCP!!!!!
Siddious Serenity Of Lost Souls	Posted - 2007.08.22 13:11:00 - [116] Is it me or are the trade forums still locked ?? ------
Ms SkyFlyer	Posted - 2007.08.22 13:19:00 - [117] i support this thread
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.22 13:26:00 - [118] Originally by: Siddious Is it me or are the trade forums still locked ?? It is. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Veng3ance New Dawn Rising	Posted - 2007.08.22 13:56:00 - [119] Thanks guys! I was very disappointed by the move to close down the trade forums. Thanks for changing your mind!
Pater Deus	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:06:00 - [120] Eventually all empires come to and end because they lack political and social sensibility. You can see this happening in real life right now. If at least you had half a braincell of the political and social sensibility needed to explain us players, why you want to close the trade forums. At times -all times- I view you so arrogant, as if no other space fantasy game will ever be able to compare and surpass EVE. Games are made up of programs and nice graphics, but they last only while WE players feel WE are well treated. So, you want to reflect 100 thousand players online at all times instead of 29 thousand players? As anyone can tell by the player status graphic in EVE, the 30 thousand mark doesn't last long, because WE have severe lag problems when that mark is attained and then most of US players just take off to some other game in the net. This marketing through the contracts will make it unbearable to play.

Creepin	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:28:00 - [121] Huh... I don't quite get it: all this thanks and praises are for what? For letting forums run two more weeks? And what then? Is there any decent chance that during this two weeks CCP stuff will manage to add all hundreds of missing items (implants, ships, faction loot) to market; add possibility of services advertising through contracts; add possibility of finding something good without knowing that this thing exists in the first place and actively searching for it; add dozens of other functions which ARE trade in Eve and which are not supported by limited in functions as well as in range of goods trade engine of Eve? I don't think such chance really exists. From my perspective this all looks like a bone throwed to satisfy community's anger while intention to kill Eve trade remains intact, just postponed for 2 weeks.
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:31:00 - [122] Breaths a sigh of relief Thankyou for listening to your customers CCP :)
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:39:00 - [123] Originally by: Creepin Huh... I don't quite get it: all this thanks and praises are for what? For letting forums run two more weeks? And what then? Is there any decent chance that during this two weeks CCP stuff will manage to add all hundreds of missing items (implants, ships, faction loot) to market; add possibility of services advertising through contracts; add possibility of finding something good without knowing that this thing exists in the first place and actively searching for it; add dozens of other functions which ARE trade in Eve and which are not supported by limited in functions as well as in range of goods trade engine of Eve? I don't think such chance really exists. From my perspective this all looks like a bone throwed to satisfy community's anger while intention to kill Eve trade remains intact, just postponed for 2 weeks. I agree But Im not sure If anyone here can read either.. Im not liking the "New CCG" Read only archive. Screw adding more to the game CCP just keep it out of game. Less chance for the database to mess up even more.
Creepin	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:46:00 - [124] Edited by: Creepin on 22/08/2007 14:49:23 Originally by: Gracious NightAngel I agree Actually, I've removed my rant you quoted as I realised that it comes out of my inaccurate reading: I thought at first glance that they were still going to close trade topics after two weeks, but as I re-read OP post I understand that it was about old, cancelled cours of actions, so, sorry for misleading you :) Of course, things mentioned still could remain as an issue when CCP will comes again with an idea of closing trade forums, but I hope it would be somewhat later then 2 weeks :) If they will indeed close forums only after they will make in-game trade mechanics as handy or at least close to forum trade, that's fine with me, as I believe in this case forum trade will live forever
Mercade Coerce Inc O X I D E	Posted - 2007.08.22 15:11:00 - [125] Thanks for listening. I think if you continue to improve the ingame system, it will get to the point where you can remove the out of game. BUT there is one BIG thing to think about. What about those of us who peruse, buy, and sell from work where hopping into the game is a no-no, but reading a forum is ok? Maybe a smaller market program that could search and create within the contract system from outside of the game? Anyway thanks!!! Originally by: kieron ...possible causes for an extended downtime, I think playing WoW would be close to the bottom of the list, probably between shaving cats and having dental work done w/o anethesia.
Dave PSI Haendlergilde S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.08.22 15:14:00 - [126] no need to change anything, this forum is part of the game, i log in with my char here i trade with my char here. You already created a perfect working "ingame Marketplace". So do us all a favour and focus your work on something else. some proposals: - test new feature longer and better, include as many Eve players as possible in the process of changes. You could simply avoid massive protest like we had here or when you wanted to change the mineral compression system. It often looks for me that nobody in CCP really thought about some steps and they were simply announced. If you integrate more players in these kind of decisions, it will be more confident for all of us. - search for bugs and fix them - balance the amarr weopon cap problem ... T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
MEEATYOU Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.08.22 15:27:00 - [127] Well I never have seen such a ******** proposal in my life. You make the forums, you want to close the forums, and now, because WE (The player's) have made a statement against CCP, CCP bends to our will. Hmm, How about undoing some nerfs? How about making no lag? Work on the important aspects of the game and worry not about the forums cause you want all ingame trading. Shakes head at CCP What next? Oh, Congrats on fixing your wonderful error. Try to do it more often :)
zacuis Darkest Knights	Posted - 2007.08.22 15:51:00 - [128] takes balls to admit when your wrong a hearty thx from me i also look forward to the ingame contract system being good enought to replace the sell forums as that is what u seem to be promising now. ( feel sorry for the guy thats gotta reprogram the contract system to be able to sell services threw it lmao created a small nightmare of programming for your selves there havnt u! )
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.08.22 16:50:00 - [129] i'm sorry, but this **** is getting really old. it's as if you guys want people to get upset and spam the forums. what other logical, well-thought-out and WELL-INTENTIONED reason is there for locking thread after thread of civil discourse?
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.08.22 16:52:00 - [130] no matter what you do with contract system, people won't see it as the replacement for some kind of trade forums - for the simplest reason possible, FORUMS ARE MODERATED. CONTRACTS ARE NOT. so you'll have a tons of scam contracts at any given time while on any decently moderated forums, next to "only" legit deals will be represented... because, come on, no one wants to scam on forums - any marginally obvious scam attempt will get spoiled right away, or simply banned if it goes with scam spam approach (the only possibly effective way to re-use old scams)...

Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.08.22 17:30:00 - [131] Well, smart move. I suggest you consider any major changes you plan to make in more detail in the future. Seems odd that you would even consider removing one of the most popular forums here, but there you go. --- We are Recuiting! If you have what it takes, click me! Oh yeah...click me....yeah...
Eldwinn The Tierijev Compact Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.08.22 18:40:00 - [132] What the hell was CCP thinking?
Bunny Delta Bunny's Mission running solo thing	Posted - 2007.08.22 20:57:00 - [133] good
d'Mortaigne Seven.	Posted - 2007.08.22 21:14:00 - [134] Thanks. Its very nice to see that what we, the community, wants isnt ignored. --------------- It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Logan Williams VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.08.22 21:30:00 - [135] "Based upon community feedback, as well as the premature closure of the Market forums before the completion of the in-game market and contract systems, we will not be closing the making the announced changes to the Market forum channels. The CCG forums will remain in their read-only archival state." Three cheers CCP. You listen afterall. I only hope that folks like me, who made sure to scold for bad decision making, are also willing to give respect where it is due. Thanks, (as well as prolly 3/4 of the player base)
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.22 21:37:00 - [136] I just noticed the "premature" in the OP. So the intent is to close the trade forums after all, just not yet. Tell you what, you close them in the future and I'll take my 3 paying accounts elsewhere for online entertainment. There is no plausible reason to close out community forums. At least not any you have disclosed. Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.08.22 21:45:00 - [137] you shouldn't close down the market forum untill people start making threads about it, or it actually starts getting very little hits. untill then, upgrade the contracts system as much as you want. ---
Imuran	Posted - 2007.08.22 21:51:00 - [138] Well Done good revisal of a decision
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.08.22 22:24:00 - [139] Thank you for listening to us, CCP. Originally by: CCP kieron While the Market forums will eventually be closed, this action will not be taken until the in-game market and contract systems have been made more robust and useful. I'll look forward to the upgrades to the market/contract systems that are alluded to here. But unless you intend to allow visibility into the markets/contracts via the web (which I don't see as likely) I don't think that the market forums can be made obsolete, especially for big ticket items. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Ghost Gates	Posted - 2007.08.23 00:39:00 - [140] I think it was just a fake move to restore faith to the community that CCP does listen to the playerbase.

Aaeolian Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.08.23 00:43:00 - [141] Thanks for CCP
3nkil The Chocolate Factory	Posted - 2007.08.23 02:44:00 - [142] hurray ccp!
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.08.23 07:26:00 - [143] It's nice to know you acknowledge that further work on the in game system is necessary first. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
huxorator Intergalactic Serenity R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.23 09:53:00 - [144] Hope forums will never close. I love to browse em and find myself interesting things. This is not about the item or price, but about presentation and service the offeror puts into his offer. I don't think such things will ever be available ingame, so let the forums stay. Another point... I browse those boards from work or mobile, this won't be possible with ingame markets only. Let it sort by itself; if your players find the ingame functions better than oog, they will use the ingame things much more. --- IGS \| Intergalactic Serenity
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.23 11:11:00 - [145] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 23/08/2007 11:12:37 I sincerely hope the 'premature' and 'eventually closed' are only CCPs way of saving face. Otherwise we will just see the same outcry all over again. But they DO deserve Kudos for going back on their error. Most companies I know turn errors into features rather than actually having the spine to admit they made one. Fix speedtanks, base hit chance on agility!
Haradgrim Caldari The Wild Bunch	Posted - 2007.08.23 14:01:00 - [146] Thank you for giving back our beloved forum, but shame for making baby jeebus cry - Haradgrim [-WB-] That.which.does.not.bend.breaks
Nebuchadnezzar I Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.23 15:05:00 - [147] TBH the rapid closing, then the just as speedy change of hearth makes me think this was some attempt to either test the responses and or appear to be listening to the playerbase. Ofc it may just be my tinfoilhat doing its thing.
James Westphal	Posted - 2007.08.23 19:11:00 - [148] It doesn't really matter how robust the market/contract stuff gets, the forum should stay. At any rate, your current market/contract systems are not substitute at all for the forum. All you'll do by cancelling them is send people to scrapheap challenge or something, and nerf industrialists, especially researchers.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.08.23 20:28:00 - [149] Congratulations. You are as wise as the government that once accidently banned taxes, then took back the new law within the day. And about as altruistic.
Galia Goodbody	Posted - 2007.08.30 19:22:00 - [150] all you thanker's are CCP a** lickers



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