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Jenny Cameron
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:35:00 -
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Why highsec: simple, it's the easiest, most solo friendly, least complicated part of the game. If 0.0 were a barren no-man's land instead of a suburb like environment where gangs rule, it would be different. Unfortunately, nulsec isn't a wilderness at all.
In a way, the universe of EVE is very small.
Bischopt wrote:Different things are fun to different people.
Eve may not be fun for you but it is fun for other people.
True words.
I think EVE just isn't that much fun for and doesn't really cater most people's prefered playing styles, hence the number of players (many with alt accounts). Nothing good or bad about it, it's just why EVE is a niche game, it only appeals to a limited number and type of players. |
Valei Khurelem
191
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:40:00 -
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Quote:Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both.
It shouldn't be like this really, that's the point that most people are making I think.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
132
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:04:00 -
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"Why people choose High sec"
Because some people like PvE over PvP?
It is that simple, stop trying to over analyze it.
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Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:19:00 -
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Low and Null Sec are fun places to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. :) |
Valei Khurelem
192
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:22:00 -
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Hainnz wrote:Low and Null Sec are fun places to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. :)
I'd love to live there if I had a chance of living, but with the way the game is now it's either impossible most of the time or you get a bit luck and manage to be in an empty system no one wants to be in. Problem is of course just about any 0.0 system with a clone service or agent is going to have at least one or two gankers in there just to get the person who thinks they can go about their day without too much trouble.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
509
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:27:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Hainnz wrote:Low and Null Sec are fun places to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. :) I'd love to live there if I had a chance of living, but with the way the game is now it's either impossible most of the time or you get a bit luck and manage to be in an empty system no one wants to be in. Problem is of course just about any 0.0 system with a clone service or agent is going to have at least one or two gankers in there just to get the person who thinks they can go about their day without too much trouble.
well, NPC regions will have local gangs that will take notice of new strangers to shoot. but it is essentially impossible to kick someone out of NPC nullsec stations without hardcore griefing their will to play. If you're stubborn, you can live solo in nullsec easily. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction
Happy Endings
41
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:16:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both. It shouldn't be like this really, that's the point that most people are making I think.
Nullsec (in general) isn't a very friendly place to be solo, for sure. But we already have high/lowsec for that. The fact that everyone who cares about such things thinks everyone else is making too much money is a good sign things are actually fairly well balanced isk-wise - it's purely a playstyle choice IMO.
I have noticed that it's mostly highsec dwellers who have the progression-oriented (not to mention highly griefable) "MOAR SHINIES" mindset. I think the issue with incursions as they stand now is more CCPs fault than anything else - currently there is a perverse incentive to not complete the incursion. The bears take advantage of farmable isk, which in turn attracts people who would otherwise have no interest in the whole thing to kill the moms just to be a pain in the ass.
My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:33:00 -
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It's fun. Why else?
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
275
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:40:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise.
0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.
The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's
There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements
People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's
The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time.
This is a game people should paly it for fun
All I can say is you chose to fight for teh wrong side. My members get a generous srf, are free to rat as long as no CTA is on that they can possibly make it to, are offered free capital skills and hulls have a really good laugh and are a very very social bunch of guys who love the corp and enjoy their online time. If they are not enjoying their play then they, and I am doing it wrong.
We will soon be handing the first free supercarrier out to one of our members and are looking to provide more, since the alliance is providing us with a constantly improving corp income, so that we can provide mroe to our pilots as well as the services they themselves provide to us.
Quite simply mate, whoever you were flying for were clearly asshats of the greatest magnitude, I would have left too.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
95
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:46:00 -
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I fly in high and low sec because there are accessible stations that allow me to operate without the overhead of running a POS. What I fly in high versus what I fly in low are also two completely different fleets of ships because the risk involved. I have little interest to operate solo in 0.0 for any length of time again (I have done it, but the rewards were not comparable to low sec overall for my style of play).
To be honest, my last time I ran in low-sec for a length of time I met a lot of nice people and I am considering a longer term stay next trip out, but 0.0 will probably remain out of my interests for a while. (and yes I did go out to 0.0 with an alliance and did not enjoy that style of game play).
I know I left a battleship in this station. Wait, you can put ships in Station Containers? ****! I just trashed them. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
255
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:52:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both. It shouldn't be like this really, that's the point that most people are making I think.
Why not? Why shouldn't there be regional neighborhood differences, and why would you think the culture in one corp would be exactly the same as in another?
If 0.0 was as homogenous as you want it would truly suck.
http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1308
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:53:00 -
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I did not. It just happened i am in there now.
But when i feel like going back to null, be it NPC null or regular sov. holded null i will do so. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
77
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:02:00 -
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Because it's the only place I can keep optimal skill training without having to worry too much about losing 100s of millions of ISK in implants.
Oh, and I don't have to worry about backyard politics, or people deciding for me, when I should and shouldn't be online. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
510
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:15:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Because it's the only place I can keep optimal skill training without having to worry too much about losing 100s of millions of ISK in implants.
This is somewhat mitigated by jump clones. I have a training clone in null, but all the rest of my null clones are implantless. Its a fair point, but not gamebreaking IMO.
Mars Theran wrote:
Oh, and I don't have to worry about backyard politics, or people deciding for me, when I should and shouldn't be online.
If you join an actual community as opposed to a bunch of people slapped together to feed one guy's ego, this doesn't happen at all.
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Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
21
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:33:00 -
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I personally don't believe that low and null provide enough incentive to go there from Hisec. The money and loot simply are not worth it. |
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
Pandorum Invictus
185
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:35:00 -
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I'm just waiting for that day when CCP finally makes strip miners and mining lasers damage ships, then a giant mining alliance trololol's around null mining the **** out of everything |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
513
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:36:00 -
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Joshua Aivoras wrote:I'm just waiting for that day when CCP finally makes strip miners and mining lasers damage ships, then a giant mining alliance trololol's around null mining the **** out of everything
Sounds like a TEST fleet. |
Fritzman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:10:00 -
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Very simple - Suicide ganking. The most profitable and fun way to play solo. |
Spineker
109
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:50:00 -
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I play the way I play because I don't like people. This thread is a great demostration of why. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
208
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:11:00 -
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Crystal Liche wrote:"Why people choose High sec"
Because some people like PvE over PvP?
It is that simple, stop trying to over analyze it.
But that's not the only reason, and you know it.
And there's plenty of PvP (at least inasmuch that 90+% of "PvP" in this game is actually PK'ing/ganking; Which I'm absolutely A-OK with, by the way) to be found in hisec, you've just got to be smart about finding it, and be ready to seize opportunities if/when they present themselves.
If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated.
Oh, and NB for the terminally misguided zerosec sloganeers/meme-regurgitators: Losec is empire-space too.
I are kyute kitten!
I are in ur mishun!
Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz!
(CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
236
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:43:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated
lmfao
so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now? |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
147
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:01:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated
lmfao so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now?
Because there are a *lot* of people who have a *lot* invested in current sov mechanics? New people are slowly spreading to W-Space, and we welcome them - blasters/rails/lasers hot, of course...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online:
No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion
Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:15:00 -
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There seems to be a LOT of misconceptions about null sec, particularly from people who have obviously never been there.
Is it safe? Well it's a whole lot safer than high or low sec. Answer this question: Who is trying to kill you? Answer: Anyone who is not friendly, and possibly 5 day old awoxers which can be easy to spot if you have half a brain and pay attention.
"Moon goo only goes to fill the alliance leaders wallets!" Absolute bull ****, there are a lot of capital (And by capital I mean POSes, Sov Bills, Fuel, ect.) expenses that need to be covered which people often don't know about. While this may not directly benefit an individual, its stuff that affects the alliance as a whole. Other things moon goo money is used for is ship replacement and free ships to be handed out when needed. Personally my corp always has a few scimitars to hand out to people for ops if needed.
"High Sec is solo friendly!" So is null sec if you put your mind to it. I have seen quite a few solo pvper's around, they engage targets they can or gtfo. Ratting? Anomolies are **** easy and generate enough isk to pay for any ship losses you might incur doing pvp. Got to spend that money some how!
"You need to be awake at this specific time for an op!!!" No you don't, they just let you know ahead of time so that you can prepare for it. Nothing is mandatory now days. Most competent alliances have some sort of way of getting in contact with people who aren't even online. Jabber, IRC, the archaic thing called a forum, are all things alliances use to get peoples attention so that you can have fun, and not have to be online at every waking moment to do things.
I think a lot of people have serious misconceptions about null sec based on experiences from years ago. A lot has changed since the days of Atlas and BoB. Hell have you even flown with the goons ever? Its a lot of fun, even if you do die. Everyone now days has a laid back yet very serious attitude towards things. |
Chesh Aideron
Room Is Empty
Enemy-Fleet
16
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:16:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise.
0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.
The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's
There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements
People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's
The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time.
This is a game people should paly it for fun
WH master race reporting.
We don't have problems with ISK, blobs, or ******* leaders! (Although the latter is debatable, but that's why guns are very good at diplomacy.) |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
56
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:18:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:I chose hi-sec becuase I would actually like to play the game. Not have to be constantly replacing my ships in the wild-west of null space or constantly being tangled up by over-bubbled gates. I just dont see the fun in that.
I agree with this notion. It would drive me nuts to log on every day and worry if I am going to lose all my **** that day...
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
47
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:39:00 -
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Time or lack of the same choose for me. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
361
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:39:00 -
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To clear things up for the high sec 'people' among us: when an alliance CEO or diplo or whatever does something the rest don't like, 'faglord' '******' 'moron' '******' will be the first thing he hears from the 'null sec slaves' as you call them.
but its okay stay chilly free willies |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
516
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:42:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:I chose hi-sec becuase I would actually like to play the game. Not have to be constantly replacing my ships in the wild-west of null space or constantly being tangled up by over-bubbled gates. I just dont see the fun in that. I agree with this notion. It would drive me nuts to log on every day and worry if I am going to lose all my **** that day...
That's the entire appeal of EVE to a huge chunk of players, myself included. The sort of players who thrived in oldschool Ultima Online.
When risk is omnipresent, then you have to be sharp and alert. Something as simple as identifying a threat and avoiding it handily can give you an adrenaline rush. Things like casually blasting through a bubble camp is a blast too - and so is getting caught and trying to take people down with you! It makes every moment a little more exciting, no matter what is happening. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
516
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:43:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:To clear things up for the high sec 'people' among us: when an alliance CEO or diplo or whatever does something the rest don't like, 'faglord' '******' 'moron' '******' will be the first thing he hears from the 'null sec slaves' as you call them.
but its okay stay chilly free willies
damnit broski, i miss you guys. wtf are you doing now? |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
361
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:47:00 -
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8) idk ask the other guys I'm just playing dota two |
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