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Rune Scorpio
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:09:00 -
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Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
240
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:18:00 -
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Rune Scorpio wrote:Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. Why when we can run incursions instead? |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
542
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:19:00 -
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Rune Scorpio wrote:Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. This is a well thought out and well argumented proposal, I'll get on it right away. |

Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
27
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:30:00 -
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Kessiaan wrote:Nullsec is hard to get into.
My first experience with nullsec was in my mining days. We set up a POS in a dead-end system we rented, and we were too scared of OMG BUBBLES to actually leave the system. And when hostiles did show up and we actually tried to fight we'd get annihilated because we had no idea what we were doing (this was back when nano gangs were untouchable by anything except another nano gang). I don't even remember where we were, I was such a noob then :D. It was terrible and I came back to highsec.
Gave up mining, got into FW, got into pirating. Lived in lowsec for a while.
My second experience was with ATLAS down in Omist. It was pretty much what the OP described. Doesn't help that Bobby was a giant **** either. I hated it, swore off sov. warfare forever, and went back to lowsec.
My current experience is in Stain NPC nullsec with my current corp and I love it. It's pretty much just like lowsec only with much better pve options, no sentry guns (which just get in the way in lowsec after your sec. status drops under -5), stealth bombers can actually do something useful, and good intel channels so I don't wind up in a bubble I don't want to be in.
Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both.
This NPC Null ft but since I have a very limited time now I stay in high and carebear |

Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
94
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:38:00 -
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I'm currently in highsec because: - I have no ******* time to EVE. Work, sleep, xbox time. There's a few hours in between. Not really enough to commit to null right now.
- Null is dangerous and complex. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't like knowing what I'm doing, especially when my medical clone is down in highsec in case I get podded while picking up my lowsec PI.
- Training up an alt means I need to be able to pick up skillbooks quickly, and use my market skills to sell off any I pick up in error.
- Politics. My stuff went missing due to a big move. My JC is a good few jumps out from my alliance's sov space. NULL jumps, where I might run into a bubble or gatecamp.
- Standings grind for PoS anchoring. Since my alliance is mostly on a different schedule to me, and large enough that I have no hope in hell of getting standings, I need my alt to keep a PoS open for my industrial stuff. |

Rune Scorpio
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:20:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Rune Scorpio wrote:Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. Why when we can run incursions instead?
Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things. Though I guess the people who benefit from that nonsense of course will b***h and moan about that getting nerfed or removed. Who wants to play a game thats balanced? One that noobs can join and say oh wow the economy isnt completely unbalanced to the large alliances that dont have to grind for isk. Lets just let the tech moon alliances sit there and have enough isk every month they can buy 8000+ plex for filling their pos with fuel. |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
543
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:23:00 -
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Rune Scorpio wrote:Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things. Haven't been outside of hisec much, then, have you? |

Rune Scorpio
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:27:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Rune Scorpio wrote:Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things. Haven't been outside of hisec much, then, have you?
yeah actually. I have alts in wormhole space, null and lowsec. Null happens to be the worst cus its 100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes. But what do I know? |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
240
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:39:00 -
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Rune Scorpio wrote:what do I know? you kind of answered that question already when you accused a guy from Cascade Imminent of being rich off tech moon income
haven't been out of hisec much |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
543
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:49:00 -
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Rune Scorpio wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Rune Scorpio wrote:Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things. Haven't been outside of hisec much, then, have you? yeah actually. I have alts in wormhole space, null and lowsec. Null happens to be the worst cus its 100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes. But what do I know? Funny, I'm not seeing "100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes". In fact, I'm having problems seeing any place where there are more than 30 in total outside of hisec. Granted, nullsec is looking more lively than pre-crucible, but it's still no spring chicken.
As for the whole "logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month", you do realize that it's a task which doesn't end in them having tech to swim in, yes? It's something they do for the greater good, and is but a cog in the whole nullsec empire machine at least I call home. |

Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
363
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:55:00 -
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but guys tech moons are literally isk per month no effort or anything required, also everyone can have all of them because sharing = caring |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
727
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:57:00 -
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Go then, there are other MMO's than these Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Rune Scorpio
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:04:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Funny, I'm not seeing "100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes". In fact, I'm having problems seeing any place where there are more than 30 in total outside of hisec. Granted, nullsec is looking more lively than pre-crucible, but it's still no spring chicken..
Yeah good thing they removed the exploration nerf so people that want to actually play eve have a reason to return to nullsec right? Now that the isk for running sites can once again compare to people holding tech moons. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
240
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:11:00 -
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Rune Scorpio wrote:Yeah good thing they removed the exploration nerf so people that want to actually play eve have a reason to return to nullsec right? Now that the isk for running sites can once again compare to people holding tech moons. Why when we can run incursions instead? |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
543
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:16:00 -
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Rune Scorpio wrote:Yeah good thing they removed the exploration nerf so people that want to actually play eve have a reason to return to nullsec right? Now that the isk for running sites can once again compare to people holding tech moons. It is? I wouldn't know, I don't rat. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
520
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:38:00 -
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Herold Oldtimer wrote:This post derailed pretty quickly didn't it.
I choose high-sec because that is what I have time for.
interestingly, i choose nullsec because thats what *I* have time for. Income is higher, so I only have to rat every couple weeks or so, and its a lot easier to find people to shoot. My time is much more efficient. |

saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
27
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:13:00 -
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Rune Scorpio wrote:Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too.
Now this is a very good point indeed!!! |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
528
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:25:00 -
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Note: haven't even read the OP, just the title.
I live in HS because that is where my corp is and I don't think a Null corp would appreciate my regular 2-3month periods of unsubbed.
And, since I have fun, why does it matter. Maybe when I have my own income and get bored with HS, I'll move to low/null. |

Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
309
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:30:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:
This is a game people should paly it for fun
Definitions of fun vary from person to person. Some people have fun telling other people what to do. |

CaptainFalcon07
Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.01.23 23:00:00 -
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I've been to nullsec for a while, but never really found it particularly fun. PVP involves massive blobs with soul-crushing lag.
Most fleet fights involve locking primary and secondary, then press F1 and watch the targets or you get blown up. It becomes even more boring when you have turn off the effects just to mitigate the lag.
It was rather hard to sustain pvp if your alliance didn't reinburse you or too a long time to do so. I found that I barely barely broke even with the isk i made ratting and the ships I've lost.
I just found the nullsec experience rather boring, its just not for me. I'm sure there are people who do enjoy it.
I live in a Wormhole now, no ridiculous blue coalitions, no local, high risk but high reward, and takes lots of effort to do things but its worth it. |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.01.23 23:03:00 -
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CaptainFalcon07 wrote:I've been to nullsec for a while, but never really found it particularly fun. PVP involves massive blobs with soul-crushing lag. They've fixed this.
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:It becomes even more boring when you have turn off the effects just to mitigate the lag. That's something you can fix with a better computer. |

Caldari Acolyte
Perkone Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:33:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:Rune Scorpio wrote:Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. Now this is a very good point indeed!!!
Lol RMTers would have a **** fit, you might be on to something there. |

Holy One
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
160
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:54:00 -
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The number one reason people stay in high sec is because the logistics of living in null sec when not in a blob alliance are too time consuming and too expensive to be worth the hassle.
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:06:00 -
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I choose Hisec because it fits how I want to play the game. I can be pretty antisocial and sometimes I just don't want to bother others or be bothered. I can do what I want, how I want. I'm not beholden to anyone or anything, I can log in and out when I please. At my age, it's my type of sandbox. If people want to think less of me for it, that's fine, I really don't care at all. That's their problem, not mine. But as soon as I have to start playing another way, I just won't play at all. It's my sub money, I'll decide how to use it. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
152
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:21:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote: No.
I mean the people (guys, guys playing gals and those few women) who've been out there, doing their thing, whatever it is, for the last two, three, four, 9 years? Some with the same groups/friends they've been with for most of a decade? Those guys.
So how are those guys making highsec players overpopulate highsec, as Tarryn claims? As for deep-rooted null players, you'd be surprised how adaptive they can be when it comes to acquiring income on PvE alts so that they can pursue their grudges in sov-0.0 (because most people who moved to null to make money left long ago).
I don't think she/he/it meant that 0.0 players (per se) were*making* hi-sec'rs stay in hi-sec, just that the mechanics of WH's and NPC Null are more conducive (atm - change is in the air) to various player groups who have (or perceive themselves to have) no time / inclination / interest in Sov-Null.
As for the resourcefulness of Null-Sec'rs - I'm already aware of it. Having been on the receiving end of some of that resourcefulness before...
When I lived full time in Hi-Sec, it was totally about building skills (*NOT SP!) and relationships with other players. Since late '08 or early '09 I haven't lived full time in hi-sec. Always surprises me when I go through a gate and there's 20 people there I can't shoot.
Almost lost a Zealot that way once.
to concord...
/facepalm
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:32:00 -
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I left null sec becuase:
Blue list Too many "I win" buttons. Convienience of being able to fit ships properly a few jumps away in high sec Time ( i mean i move freighter loads around in high sec and when RL dictates a few spare hours can do it in my time - null sec you cant do this) Lag Blob No real sandbox - its about numbers Lost interest Apparently its risky being in null sec but in reality Intel alarm sounds and everyone docks, runs to pos, logs off, or gets a fleet together that blots out the sun.
Lastly just tired of the whole high sec // low sec // null sec arguement its a freakin game and just becuase your Real life time determines your game style shouldnt mean you are condemned to grinding becuase of "time versus reward".... that arguement in my opinion is broken especially when you come to moon income.
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
202
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:So, basically, people choose highsec because they don't know any better?
Sounds reasonableGǪ
I dont think thats what they said. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
163
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:04:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:
You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due to hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Instead we get players like you constantly bleating about how the big bad goons touched you. Scaring potential players into staying in those ridiculous npc corps, playing solo for 6 months and getting bored shitless by the 10% of the game they actually experience. I know for a fact thats what happens because its what happened to me in my first year of playing and I left. Granted I came back and found a good corp to hang around in with other players until i realised i wanted more pvp.
Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game.
How's that Kool-Aid taste, mate?
There are so many things so wrong with this I don't even know where to start--are you really that blinkered?
No, this game is not sov-dullsec. Not even close.
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
27
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:18:00 -
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Read the first part of the second sentence. The game ccp sellsis the whole null sec empire building system, it's what they advertise a lot. I'm not denying that lowsec, npc null, and wh space arent part of the sand box. I was just trying to get across that hisec is probably the least sandboxy than most of them. A lot of the things ccp do to improve the game seems to be motivated by getting people into pvp, and getting people out of hisec. Im just pointing out my observations. The centre piece to that seems to be sov null...
Granted, alliances/corps dont need to own sov to own space. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1663
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:24:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:Time ( i mean i move freighter loads around in high sec and when RL dictates a few spare hours can do it in my time - null sec you cant do this)
yeah moving things around in nullsec is very hard
*fills a carrier/jf/rorqual, undocks, jumps to a cyno* |
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