Nice try. No cigar. Conveniently overlook the gist is returning from 0.0 to have fun playing a game, not staying out there to suck up to a handful of bigshots that own you coming and going.

Culture...they've managed to log onto an MMO sandbox, hit a few keyboard keys and the result is they've created a culture. Too much. And, too bad Gideon didn't pass out dictionaries.

Seriously, you have no clue...

Any more, for any more?

Enlighten us all then. Pretty redundant statement otherwise.

Or is all your capability just tourettes like water torture statements with no real content?

I'd ask your Goon puppet masters to deliver some more fish into your diet, it might improve brain activity. Or stop them from using the slave altering brainwashing, seems to adversely effect capabilties.

"culture" as in Goon culture. I think that's the funniest thing I've seen on the forums so far. The Goons have their own culture. If it's the kind that grows on cheese, I'd believe it. Culture...they've managed to log onto an MMO sandbox, hit a few keyboard keys and the result is they've created a culture. Too much. And, too bad Gideon didn't pass out dictionaries.

seems that all the fish in your diet has caused brain damage, oh well

What would happen if someone made a post that did not include blanket statements that lump all null-sec alliances into the same cookie cutter "oh noes the evil goonsies touched me again and made me mow the lawn" form while painting a picture of a highsec paradise where all the real players merrily graze on organic grass and drink purple milk?

What would happen if someone made a post that did not include blanket statements that lump all null-sec alliances into the same cookie cutter "oh noes the evil goonsies touched me again and made me mow the lawn" form while painting a picture of a highsec paradise where all the real players merrily graze on organic grass and drink purple milk?

I live in null and i've lived in highsec. Broken mechanics in both and good and bad players in both. Play your game.

Both you and the OP are right, chose to quote you as you have the definitive 'other side of the argument' going on there.

Fact is - there are some SERIOUSLY wrong alliances out there. You wind up in one, your game pleasure tumbles massively. You wind up in one first time you venture out almost certainly your gonna get a tainted view of NULL.

Personally ive had good Null experiences but a couple times ive landed paying for someone elses sub and ships.

Way of the ... Galaxy.

Agreed, totally. You need to learn how to pick em and how to pack up and move on. Or you could get lucky and land a good one first time lol.

"no you see I have experience in nullsec, I was in the mighty Intrepid Crossing alliance"

"no you see I have experience in nullsec, I was in the mighty Intrepid Crossing alliance"

fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december

Well according to the Goonwaffe eve-kill.net board for December you didnt even record that much in lost ISK.

Wonder how much of this "transparent" accounting is really true?

If its for the whole alliance it equates to then at worst since total losses for the month where 5,661, so on average the worst replacement value would be 21.2 Mil per loss, so ok I suppose if you don't fly anything more in value than than a T1 cruiser under this scenario then your ok.

Well according to the Goonwaffe eve-kill.net board for December you didnt even record that much in lost ISK.

Wonder how much of this "transparent" accounting is really true?

If its for the whole alliance it equates to then at worst since total losses for the month where 5,661, so on average the worst replacement value would be 21.2 Mil per loss, so ok I suppose if you don't fly anything more in value than than a T1 cruiser under this scenario then your ok.

too bad our reimbursement program is at the alliance level

http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=3799&m=12&y=2011

also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in fucking Feythabolis

oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care

camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp

also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in ******* Feythabolis

oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care

As opposed to goon campaigns against ice mining ships? Because I don't think it can get any more "elite PVPer" than that.

Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility.

As it would be unrealistic for you to be transparent about your numbers wouldn't it? (assuming they're even true).

How ever way you slice it, it appears your only re-imbursing about 38% of recorded losses. I leave individuals to decide how valued that is. As to be honest I'm a bit disadvantaged talking about "your" figures and i don't trust Goons, never will.

Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility.

Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility.

As it would be unrealistic for you to be transparent about your numbers wouldn't it? (assuming they're even true).

How ever way you slice it, it appears your only re-imbursing about 38% of recorded losses. I leave individuals to decide how valued that is. As to be honest I'm a bit disadvantaged talking about "your" figures and i don't trust Goons, never will.

Nullsec is hard to get into.

My first experience with nullsec was in my mining days. We set up a POS in a dead-end system we rented, and we were too scared of OMG BUBBLES to actually leave the system. And when hostiles did show up and we actually tried to fight we'd get annihilated because we had no idea what we were doing (this was back when nano gangs were untouchable by anything except another nano gang). I don't even remember where we were, I was such a noob then :D. It was terrible and I came back to highsec.

Gave up mining, got into FW, got into pirating. Lived in lowsec for a while.

My second experience was with ATLAS down in Omist. It was pretty much what the OP described. Doesn't help that Bobby was a giant **** either. I hated it, swore off sov. warfare forever, and went back to lowsec.

My current experience is in Stain NPC nullsec with my current corp and I love it. It's pretty much just like lowsec only with much better pve options, no sentry guns (which just get in the way in lowsec after your sec. status drops under -5), stealth bombers can actually do something useful, and good intel channels so I don't wind up in a bubble I don't want to be in.

Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both.