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saltrock0000 Obsessive Compulsive Disasters 21	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:15:00 - [1] - Quote People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise. 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time. This is a game people should paly it for fun
Atticus Fynch 375	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:19:00 - [2] - Quote I chose hi-sec becuase I would actually like to play the game. Not have to be constantly replacing my ships in the wild-west of null space or constantly being tangled up by over-bubbled gates. I just dont see the fun in that. GÿàGÿàGÿàCargo Pilots Unite!!!GÿàGÿàGÿà https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132
Valei Khurelem 189	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:22:00 - [3] - Quote Yep, games are supposed to be fun and that's what certain players on this forum and elsewhere just don't seem to get. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Bischopt Ice Fire Warriors 59	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:24:00 - [4] - Quote Different things are fun to different people. Eve may not be fun for you but it is fun for other people.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4487	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:24:00 - [5] - Quote So, basically, people choose highsec because they don't know any better? Sounds reasonableGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Valei Khurelem 189	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:25:00 - [6] - Quote Bischopt wrote: Different things are fun to different people. Eve may not be fun for you but it is fun for other people. Yes, you're right, EVE is fun for those CCP shows favourtism towards, your **** anyone else attitude is not going to improve the game, it is ironic you should say this though when people like you almost certainly have alts. designed to fund your PvP losses. Without high sec, you'd be flying in noob ships. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Calisto Fox Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:27:00 - [7] - Quote I choose highsec because thats the way i chose to spend my ( limited ) play time playing MY game.
Tore Vest Vikinghall 149	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:31:00 - [8] - Quote Highsec is a nice place
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:33:00 - [9] - Quote And yet people in null sec still beleive that these meglomaniac godfather wannabes have their best interests at heart, brainwashing them into beleiving its the "nasty" CCP and high seccers that are to blame for all their woes. And yet null slaves still beleive all this propoganda. So who really knows better? Seems your null puppet masters like to shoot themselves in the foot on many levels. Whilst under the dissalusionment they hold all the power. And yet more null seccers maintain alts who activley run in HS and have the need to use HS to survive. How ironic.
Tian Nu Ministry of War Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:38:00 - [10] - Quote I choose highsec because CONCORD protect me.
Zleon Leigh 67	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:45:00 - [11] - Quote Bischopt wrote: Different things are fun to different people. Eve may not be fun for you but it is fun for other people. -1 for in ability to read. EVE is fun for OP. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day
Oxandrolone Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck 10	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:52:00 - [12] - Quote For alot of people farming isk is a goal in the game to them. They can freefarm isk in highsec with no risk so they stay in hs. Incursions are working as intended, motherships were never meant to be farmed they were meant to be killed to end the incursion. Incursions are working as intended.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 518	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:00:00 - [13] - Quote Bischopt wrote: Different things are fun to different people. Eve may not be fun for you but it is fun for other people. True
Pinaculus Hole Busters 138	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:23:00 - [14] - Quote I live in high-sec because I don't have the play-time to learn who the locals are in low/null. Since I consider that a huge part of the game that can't really be done halfway, I just do exploration with the few hours I have to log on. If I had more play time, then I'd be living someplace other than highsec (edit: because I hate it here). I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 13	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:40:00 - [15] - Quote Ok so here's the thing: A lot a people really shouldn't talk about things they know very little about. Im gonna go out on a limb here and say the op's opinion is a little skewed. 1. If you're being forced into joining cta's way past your bed time, either you need to grow some stones and learn to just say no or you're in the wrong alliance. I turn up to ops when I can for as long as I can. They're pretty damn fun most the time besides the glaring let downs. 2. Theres plenty of opportunities for pvp on smaller scales. Its not all just blobs. If it's all just blobs for you, I think youre doing it wrong. 3. Moon goo. I honestly couldn't give a flying ** about how much isk comes in through this. I'm getting my fun through regular pvp and I get reimbursed when I lose ships (granted they aren't totally ****** losses). That's how you get access to all that tech isk. Some reimbursements are laid out so you actually profit from losing your ship in cta's as long as you've insured it. 4. I have enough time to make enough isk to pay for what I want. Granted im not massively rich never have been. Yet again I never understood the mentallity of amassing as many digits in my wallet as i can in a game. Isk's there to be spent unless youre saving up for something. 5. Its a lot more casual than what little Ms. Information up there would have you think. Any more, for any more?
DarkAegix Acetech Systems 823	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:42:00 - [16] - Quote In highsec, you can comfortably engage in forum PVP at any given time.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1620	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:47:00 - [17] - Quote saltrock0000 wrote: 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's Those are the alliances that fall apart the second a more powerful entity looks at them crosswise. saltrock0000 wrote: People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's ship replacement programs? what an innovative idea, if only we had thought of that and implemented a comprehensive ISK compensation program for strat ops and a partial compensation program for roaming/solo PvP oh wait, we have, and we're far from the first alliance to do that!
Salicaz Wolfsbrigade 5	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:51:00 - [18] - Quote All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1620	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:53:00 - [19] - Quote Salicaz wrote: All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway. camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp
Tykari Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:54:00 - [20] - Quote I have had some fun times in 0.0 Alliance space, but the biggest reason I've had it with alliances is all the drama that usually ends up happening. In that regard I find 0.0 w-space far more interesting, it's a closer knit group so you have a chance to get to know people a little as well and you can have fun and do whatever you want in there. And right now I'm in high sec mostly because I don't have a lot of free time to play EVE so when I log in I don't want to have to go through a lot of hassle to do something and I don't have to feel like I'm not participating enough.
Salicaz Wolfsbrigade 5	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:54:00 - [21] - Quote Andski wrote: Salicaz wrote: All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway. camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp Who said anything about camping gates, also you're a goon
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:55:00 - [22] - Quote Andski wrote: saltrock0000 wrote: 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's Those are the alliances that fall apart the second a more powerful entity looks at them crosswise. saltrock0000 wrote: People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's ship replacement programs? what an innovative idea, if only we had thought of that and implemented a comprehensive ISK compensation program for strat ops and a partial compensation program for roaming/solo PvP oh wait, we have, and we're far from the first alliance to do that! And then look at the 15% tax needed to run that "partial" programme.
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2012.01.22 13:56:00 - [23] - Quote Salicaz wrote: Andski wrote: Salicaz wrote: All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway. camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp Who said anything about camping gates, also you're a goon These are the relatively safe operations by the goons they will re-imburse for ship losses, lol. You will defend our assests whip crack
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 15	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:00:00 - [24] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Salicaz wrote: Andski wrote: Salicaz wrote: All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway. camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp Who said anything about camping gates, also you're a goon These are the relatively safe operations by the goons they will re-imburse for ship losses, lol. You will defend our assests whip crack lol you talk some rubbish...
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:03:00 - [25] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: lol you talk some rubbish... Maybe, but better than the depressing propoganda drivel that the likes of Goons make people suffer.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 507	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:06:00 - [26] - Quote Salicaz wrote: All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 507	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:06:00 - [27] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: You will defend our assests whip crack have you ever actually, you know, flown with the goons, talked to one, or even have any clue what their culture is like?
Vyl Vit Cambio Enterprises 250	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:07:00 - [28] - Quote Tippia wrote: So, basically, people choose highsec because they don't know any better? Sounds reasonableGÇª Nice try. No cigar. Conveniently overlook the gist is returning from 0.0 to have fun playing a game, not staying out there to suck up to a handful of bigshots that own you coming and going. We rarely hear this side of the story, and naturally you'd take a dump on it. And to think I put your name in nomination for the Nobel for Economics this year. Pfft! "culture" as in Goon culture. I think that's the funniest thing I've seen on the forums so far. The Goons have their own culture. If it's the kind that grows on cheese, I'd believe it. Culture...they've managed to log onto an MMO sandbox, hit a few keyboard keys and the result is they've created a culture. Too much. And, too bad Gideon didn't pass out dictionaries. Anyone with any sense has already left town.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 15	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:09:00 - [29] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: lol you talk some rubbish... Maybe, but better than the depressing propoganda drivel that the likes of Goons make people suffer. Seriously, you have no clue...
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1620	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:14:00 - [30] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Andski wrote: saltrock0000 wrote: 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's Those are the alliances that fall apart the second a more powerful entity looks at them crosswise. saltrock0000 wrote: People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's ship replacement programs? what an innovative idea, if only we had thought of that and implemented a comprehensive ISK compensation program for strat ops and a partial compensation program for roaming/solo PvP oh wait, we have, and we're far from the first alliance to do that! And then look at the 15% tax needed to run that "partial" programme. ahahahaha taxes son, we have 60+ tech moons, taxes just keep the wallet healthy fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4487	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:15:00 - [31] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: Tippia wrote: So, basically, people choose highsec because they don't know any better? Sounds reasonableGÇª Nice try. No cigar. Conveniently overlook the gist is returning from 0.0 to have fun playing a game, not staying out there to suck up to a handful of bigshots that own you coming and going. Yeah, no. That would work if all these people actually tried out not-highsec, but they don't. They just stay in highsec because they hear stories like this and don't actually go check for themselves. They choose it because they don't know better. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1620	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:15:00 - [32] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: Culture...they've managed to log onto an MMO sandbox, hit a few keyboard keys and the result is they've created a culture. Too much. And, too bad Gideon didn't pass out dictionaries. the culture comes from somethingawful dot com, maybe you have heard of that site? it's where most of goonwaffe comes from!
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:17:00 - [33] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Grumpy Owly wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: lol you talk some rubbish... Maybe, but better than the depressing propoganda drivel that the likes of Goons make people suffer. Seriously, you have no clue... Enlighten us all then. Pretty redundant statement otherwise. Or is all your capability just tourettes like water torture statements with no real content? I'd ask your Goon puppet masters to deliver some more fish into your diet, it might improve brain activity. Or stop them from using the slave altering brainwashing, seems to adversely effect capabilties.
Something Random The Barrow Boys 119	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:17:00 - [34] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Any more, for any more? Both you and the OP are right, chose to quote you as you have the definitive 'other side of the argument' going on there. Fact is - there are some SERIOUSLY wrong alliances out there. You wind up in one, your game pleasure tumbles massively. You wind up in one first time you venture out almost certainly your gonna get a tainted view of NULL. Personally ive had good Null experiences but a couple times ive landed paying for someone elses sub and ships. Way of the ... Galaxy. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!"
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1620	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:19:00 - [35] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Grumpy Owly wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: lol you talk some rubbish... Maybe, but better than the depressing propoganda drivel that the likes of Goons make people suffer. Seriously, you have no clue... Enlighten us all then. Pretty redundant statement otherwise. Or is all your capability just tourettes like water torture statements with no real content? I'd ask your Goon puppet masters to deliver some more fish into your diet, it might improve brain activity. Or stop them from using the slave altering brainwashing, seems to adversely effect capabilties. seems that all the fish in your diet has caused brain damage, oh well
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 15	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:20:00 - [36] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: "culture" as in Goon culture. I think that's the funniest thing I've seen on the forums so far. The Goons have their own culture. If it's the kind that grows on cheese, I'd believe it. Culture...they've managed to log onto an MMO sandbox, hit a few keyboard keys and the result is they've created a culture. Too much. And, too bad Gideon didn't pass out dictionaries. You too... Listen. The ridiculous politics and drama is probably what makes sov warefare fun. It's goons that make it hilarious. You've either spent too much time on the butt end of the joke to get it, or your sense of humour is hopelessly barren. People take this game and themselves far too seriously.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 508	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:20:00 - [37] - Quote Andski wrote: seems that all the fish in your diet has caused brain damage, oh well Mercury's a *****.
Weiland Taur Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden 11	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:22:00 - [38] - Quote What would happen if someone made a post that did not include blanket statements that lump all null-sec alliances into the same cookie cutter "oh noes the evil goonsies touched me again and made me mow the lawn" form while painting a picture of a highsec paradise where all the real players merrily graze on organic grass and drink purple milk? I live in null and i've lived in highsec. Broken mechanics in both and good and bad players in both. Play your game.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4488	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:24:00 - [39] - Quote Weiland Taur wrote: What would happen if someone made a post that did not include blanket statements that lump all null-sec alliances into the same cookie cutter "oh noes the evil goonsies touched me again and made me mow the lawn" form while painting a picture of a highsec paradise where all the real players merrily graze on organic grass and drink purple milk? Then people would get a nuanced and realistic picture of what's going on in the game, and we can't have that. It would surely make the sun explode or some such. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 508	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:24:00 - [40] - Quote Weiland Taur wrote: What would happen if someone made a post that did not include blanket statements that lump all null-sec alliances into the same cookie cutter "oh noes the evil goonsies touched me again and made me mow the lawn" form while painting a picture of a highsec paradise where all the real players merrily graze on organic grass and drink purple milk? I live in null and i've lived in highsec. Broken mechanics in both and good and bad players in both. Play your game. what boggles my mind is how people can hate on the goons, and then in the same breath accuse nullsec alliances of treating their members like pawns through things like CTAs. It becomes so obvious they really don't get nullsec, or who stands for what out there.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 16	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:24:00 - [41] - Quote Something Random wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Any more, for any more? Both you and the OP are right, chose to quote you as you have the definitive 'other side of the argument' going on there. Fact is - there are some SERIOUSLY wrong alliances out there. You wind up in one, your game pleasure tumbles massively. You wind up in one first time you venture out almost certainly your gonna get a tainted view of NULL. Personally ive had good Null experiences but a couple times ive landed paying for someone elses sub and ships. Way of the ... Galaxy. Agreed, totally. You need to learn how to pick em and how to pack up and move on. Or you could get lucky and land a good one first time lol.
Tex Raynor Guardians of Asceticism 0	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:28:00 - [42] - Quote For reasons you mentioned above, this is why I chose lowsec.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1622	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:30:00 - [43] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Something Random wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Any more, for any more? Both you and the OP are right, chose to quote you as you have the definitive 'other side of the argument' going on there. Fact is - there are some SERIOUSLY wrong alliances out there. You wind up in one, your game pleasure tumbles massively. You wind up in one first time you venture out almost certainly your gonna get a tainted view of NULL. Personally ive had good Null experiences but a couple times ive landed paying for someone elses sub and ships. Way of the ... Galaxy. Agreed, totally. You need to learn how to pick em and how to pack up and move on. Or you could get lucky and land a good one first time lol. "no you see I have experience in nullsec, I was in the mighty Intrepid Crossing alliance"
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4488	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:35:00 - [44] - Quote Andski wrote: "no you see I have experience in nullsec, I was in the mighty Intrepid Crossing alliance" Hey, I was in IRC for several weeksGÇª GÇªoh wait. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 16	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:36:00 - [45] - Quote Andski wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Something Random wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Any more, for any more? Both you and the OP are right, chose to quote you as you have the definitive 'other side of the argument' going on there. Fact is - there are some SERIOUSLY wrong alliances out there. You wind up in one, your game pleasure tumbles massively. You wind up in one first time you venture out almost certainly your gonna get a tainted view of NULL. Personally ive had good Null experiences but a couple times ive landed paying for someone elses sub and ships. Way of the ... Galaxy. Agreed, totally. You need to learn how to pick em and how to pack up and move on. Or you could get lucky and land a good one first time lol. "no you see I have experience in nullsec, I was in the mighty Intrepid Crossing alliance" lol IRC...
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:42:00 - [46] - Quote Andski wrote: fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december Well according to the Goonwaffe eve-kill.net board for December you didnt even record that much in lost ISK. Wonder how much of this "transparent" accounting is really true? If its for the whole alliance it equates to then at worst since total losses for the month where 5,661, so on average the worst replacement value would be 21.2 Mil per loss, so ok I suppose if you don't fly anything more in value than than a T1 cruiser under this scenario then your ok.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 16	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:47:00 - [47] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Andski wrote: fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december Well according to the Goonwaffe eve-kill.net board for December you didnt even record that much in lost ISK. Wonder how much of this "transparent" accounting is really true? If its for the whole alliance it equates to then at worst since total losses for the month where 5,661, so on average the worst replacement value would be 21.2 Mil per loss, so ok I suppose if you don't fly anything more in value than than a T1 cruiser under this scenario then your ok. Are you seriously quoting a killboard as an accurate source on isk losses? Damn you really don't have a clue
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1623	Posted - 2012.01.22 14:47:00 - [48] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Andski wrote: fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december Well according to the Goonwaffe eve-kill.net board for December you didnt even record that much in lost ISK. Wonder how much of this "transparent" accounting is really true? If its for the whole alliance it equates to then at worst since total losses for the month where 5,661, so on average the worst replacement value would be 21.2 Mil per loss, so ok I suppose if you don't fly anything more in value than than a T1 cruiser under this scenario then your ok. too bad our reimbursement program is at the alliance level http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=3799&m=12&y=2011 also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in fucking Feythabolis oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 724	Posted - 2012.01.22 15:26:00 - [49] - Quote Andski wrote: too bad our reimbursement program is at the alliance level http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=3799&m=12&y=2011 also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in fucking Feythabolis oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care Confirming, I've been reimbursed by goons (and I'm in a different alliance altogether). Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2012.01.22 15:30:00 - [50] - Quote Andski wrote: Salicaz wrote: All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway. camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp As opposed to goon campaigns against ice mining ships? Because I don't think it can get any more "elite PVPer" than that.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 244	Posted - 2012.01.22 15:38:00 - [51] - Quote Some of us have to make the ultimate sacrifice and stay in highsec to keep the carebears from getting too comfortable.
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 79	Posted - 2012.01.22 15:41:00 - [52] - Quote Andski wrote: also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in ******* Feythabolis oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility. As it would be unrealistic for you to be transparent about your numbers wouldn't it? (assuming they're even true). How ever way you slice it, it appears your only re-imbursing about 38% of recorded losses. I leave individuals to decide how valued that is. As to be honest I'm a bit disadvantaged talking about "your" figures and i don't trust Goons, never will.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 508	Posted - 2012.01.22 15:47:00 - [53] - Quote MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Andski wrote: Salicaz wrote: All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway. camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp As opposed to goon campaigns against ice mining ships? Because I don't think it can get any more "elite PVPer" than that. the goons aren't even remotely about "elite pvp". If a goon calls you an elite pvper, he is directly mocking you and your attitude, not being sarcastic.
Weiland Taur Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden 11	Posted - 2012.01.22 15:48:00 - [54] - Quote When does this become a succesful troll?
Weiland Taur Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden 11	Posted - 2012.01.22 15:49:00 - [55] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Andski wrote: also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in ******* Feythabolis oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility. As it would be unrealistic for you to be transparent about your numbers wouldn't it? (assuming they're even true). How ever way you slice it, it appears your only re-imbursing about 38% of recorded losses. I leave individuals to decide how valued that is. As to be honest I'm a bit disadvantaged talking about "your" figures and i don't trust Goons, never will. I meant this as the succesful troll.
Herold Oldtimer Caldari Provisions Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.01.22 15:54:00 - [56] - Quote This post derailed pretty quickly didn't it. I choose high-sec because that is what I have time for.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 41	Posted - 2012.01.22 16:03:00 - [57] - Quote Nullsec is hard to get into. My first experience with nullsec was in my mining days. We set up a POS in a dead-end system we rented, and we were too scared of OMG BUBBLES to actually leave the system. And when hostiles did show up and we actually tried to fight we'd get annihilated because we had no idea what we were doing (this was back when nano gangs were untouchable by anything except another nano gang). I don't even remember where we were, I was such a noob then :D. It was terrible and I came back to highsec. Gave up mining, got into FW, got into pirating. Lived in lowsec for a while. My second experience was with ATLAS down in Omist. It was pretty much what the OP described. Doesn't help that Bobby was a giant **** either. I hated it, swore off sov. warfare forever, and went back to lowsec. My current experience is in Stain NPC nullsec with my current corp and I love it. It's pretty much just like lowsec only with much better pve options, no sentry guns (which just get in the way in lowsec after your sec. status drops under -5), stealth bombers can actually do something useful, and good intel channels so I don't wind up in a bubble I don't want to be in. Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 17	Posted - 2012.01.22 16:07:00 - [58] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility. fml...
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1626	Posted - 2012.01.22 16:14:00 - [59] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Andski wrote: also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in ******* Feythabolis oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility. As it would be unrealistic for you to be transparent about your numbers wouldn't it? (assuming they're even true). How ever way you slice it, it appears your only re-imbursing about 38% of recorded losses. I leave individuals to decide how valued that is. As to be honest I'm a bit disadvantaged talking about "your" figures and i don't trust Goons, never will. i didn't get the numbers from some random director, they came from API. our reimbursement program assumes that ships are insured, and your numbers come from a goddamn killboard that includes losses of haulers and ratting ships, which we do not reimburse, and structures. oh and my number includes ice interdiction bounties which were paid from the same wallet so heh
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 509	Posted - 2012.01.22 16:17:00 - [60] - Quote Kessiaan wrote: Nullsec is hard to get into. My first experience with nullsec was in my mining days. We set up a POS in a dead-end system we rented, and we were too scared of OMG BUBBLES to actually leave the system. And when hostiles did show up and we actually tried to fight we'd get annihilated because we had no idea what we were doing (this was back when nano gangs were untouchable by anything except another nano gang). I don't even remember where we were, I was such a noob then :D. It was terrible and I came back to highsec. Gave up mining, got into FW, got into pirating. Lived in lowsec for a while. My second experience was with ATLAS down in Omist. It was pretty much what the OP described. Doesn't help that Bobby was a giant ** either. I hated it, swore off sov. warfare forever, and went back to lowsec. My current experience is in Stain NPC nullsec with my current corp and I love it. It's pretty much just like lowsec only with much better pve options, no sentry guns (which just get in the way in lowsec after your sec. status drops under -5), stealth bombers can actually do something useful, and good intel channels so I don't wind up in a bubble I don't want to be in. Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both. holy **, intelligence and actual experience. regarding nullsec. on the forums.
Jenny Cameron Ordo Eventus Inception Alliance 33	Posted - 2012.01.22 16:35:00 - [61] - Quote Why highsec: simple, it's the easiest, most solo friendly, least complicated part of the game. If 0.0 were a barren no-man's land instead of a suburb like environment where gangs rule, it would be different. Unfortunately, nulsec isn't a wilderness at all. In a way, the universe of EVE is very small. Bischopt wrote: Different things are fun to different people. Eve may not be fun for you but it is fun for other people. True words. I think EVE just isn't that much fun for and doesn't really cater most people's prefered playing styles, hence the number of players (many with alt accounts). Nothing good or bad about it, it's just why EVE is a niche game, it only appeals to a limited number and type of players.
Valei Khurelem 191	Posted - 2012.01.22 16:40:00 - [62] - Quote Quote: Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both. It shouldn't be like this really, that's the point that most people are making I think. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Crystal Liche ACME Mineral and Gas 132	Posted - 2012.01.22 17:04:00 - [63] - Quote "Why people choose High sec" Because some people like PvE over PvP? It is that simple, stop trying to over analyze it.
Hainnz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2012.01.22 17:19:00 - [64] - Quote Low and Null Sec are fun places to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. :)
Valei Khurelem 192	Posted - 2012.01.22 17:22:00 - [65] - Quote Hainnz wrote: Low and Null Sec are fun places to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. :) I'd love to live there if I had a chance of living, but with the way the game is now it's either impossible most of the time or you get a bit luck and manage to be in an empty system no one wants to be in. Problem is of course just about any 0.0 system with a clone service or agent is going to have at least one or two gankers in there just to get the person who thinks they can go about their day without too much trouble. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 509	Posted - 2012.01.22 17:27:00 - [66] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: Hainnz wrote: Low and Null Sec are fun places to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. :) I'd love to live there if I had a chance of living, but with the way the game is now it's either impossible most of the time or you get a bit luck and manage to be in an empty system no one wants to be in. Problem is of course just about any 0.0 system with a clone service or agent is going to have at least one or two gankers in there just to get the person who thinks they can go about their day without too much trouble. well, NPC regions will have local gangs that will take notice of new strangers to shoot. but it is essentially impossible to kick someone out of NPC nullsec stations without hardcore griefing their will to play. If you're stubborn, you can live solo in nullsec easily.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 41	Posted - 2012.01.22 18:16:00 - [67] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: Quote: Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both. It shouldn't be like this really, that's the point that most people are making I think. Nullsec (in general) isn't a very friendly place to be solo, for sure. But we already have high/lowsec for that. The fact that everyone who cares about such things thinks everyone else is making too much money is a good sign things are actually fairly well balanced isk-wise - it's purely a playstyle choice IMO. I have noticed that it's mostly highsec dwellers who have the progression-oriented (not to mention highly griefable) "MOAR SHINIES" mindset. I think the issue with incursions as they stand now is more CCPs fault than anything else - currently there is a perverse incentive to not complete the incursion. The bears take advantage of farmable isk, which in turn attracts people who would otherwise have no interest in the whole thing to kill the moms just to be a pain in the ass. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Sara XIII Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 43	Posted - 2012.01.22 18:33:00 - [68] - Quote It's fun. Why else?
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 275	Posted - 2012.01.22 18:40:00 - [69] - Quote saltrock0000 wrote: People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise. 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time. This is a game people should paly it for fun All I can say is you chose to fight for teh wrong side. My members get a generous srf, are free to rat as long as no CTA is on that they can possibly make it to, are offered free capital skills and hulls have a really good laugh and are a very very social bunch of guys who love the corp and enjoy their online time. If they are not enjoying their play then they, and I am doing it wrong. We will soon be handing the first free supercarrier out to one of our members and are looking to provide more, since the alliance is providing us with a constantly improving corp income, so that we can provide mroe to our pilots as well as the services they themselves provide to us. Quite simply mate, whoever you were flying for were clearly asshats of the greatest magnitude, I would have left too. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 95	Posted - 2012.01.22 18:46:00 - [70] - Quote I fly in high and low sec because there are accessible stations that allow me to operate without the overhead of running a POS. What I fly in high versus what I fly in low are also two completely different fleets of ships because the risk involved. I have little interest to operate solo in 0.0 for any length of time again (I have done it, but the rewards were not comparable to low sec overall for my style of play). To be honest, my last time I ran in low-sec for a length of time I met a lot of nice people and I am considering a longer term stay next trip out, but 0.0 will probably remain out of my interests for a while. (and yes I did go out to 0.0 with an alliance and did not enjoy that style of game play). I know I left a battleship in this station. Wait, you can put ships in Station Containers? ****! I just trashed them.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 255	Posted - 2012.01.22 18:52:00 - [71] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: Quote: Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both. It shouldn't be like this really, that's the point that most people are making I think. Why not? Why shouldn't there be regional neighborhood differences, and why would you think the culture in one corp would be exactly the same as in another? If 0.0 was as homogenous as you want it would truly suck. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1308	Posted - 2012.01.22 18:53:00 - [72] - Quote I did not. It just happened i am in there now. But when i feel like going back to null, be it NPC null or regular sov. holded null i will do so.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 77	Posted - 2012.01.22 19:02:00 - [73] - Quote Because it's the only place I can keep optimal skill training without having to worry too much about losing 100s of millions of ISK in implants. Oh, and I don't have to worry about backyard politics, or people deciding for me, when I should and shouldn't be online.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 510	Posted - 2012.01.22 19:15:00 - [74] - Quote Mars Theran wrote: Because it's the only place I can keep optimal skill training without having to worry too much about losing 100s of millions of ISK in implants. This is somewhat mitigated by jump clones. I have a training clone in null, but all the rest of my null clones are implantless. Its a fair point, but not gamebreaking IMO. Mars Theran wrote: Oh, and I don't have to worry about backyard politics, or people deciding for me, when I should and shouldn't be online. If you join an actual community as opposed to a bunch of people slapped together to feed one guy's ego, this doesn't happen at all.
Aestivalis Saidrian SplitPush Mercantiles 21	Posted - 2012.01.22 19:33:00 - [75] - Quote I personally don't believe that low and null provide enough incentive to go there from Hisec. The money and loot simply are not worth it.
Joshua Aivoras Tech IV Industries Pandorum Invictus 185	Posted - 2012.01.22 19:35:00 - [76] - Quote I'm just waiting for that day when CCP finally makes strip miners and mining lasers damage ships, then a giant mining alliance trololol's around null mining the **** out of everything
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 513	Posted - 2012.01.22 19:36:00 - [77] - Quote Joshua Aivoras wrote: I'm just waiting for that day when CCP finally makes strip miners and mining lasers damage ships, then a giant mining alliance trololol's around null mining the **** out of everything Sounds like a TEST fleet.
Fritzman Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.01.22 21:10:00 - [78] - Quote Very simple - Suicide ganking. The most profitable and fun way to play solo.
Spineker 109	Posted - 2012.01.22 21:50:00 - [79] - Quote I play the way I play because I don't like people. This thread is a great demostration of why.
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 208	Posted - 2012.01.23 00:11:00 - [80] - Quote Crystal Liche wrote: "Why people choose High sec" Because some people like PvE over PvP? It is that simple, stop trying to over analyze it. But that's not the only reason, and you know it. And there's plenty of PvP (at least inasmuch that 90+% of "PvP" in this game is actually PK'ing/ganking; Which I'm absolutely A-OK with, by the way) to be found in hisec, you've just got to be smart about finding it, and be ready to seize opportunities if/when they present themselves. If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated. Oh, and NB for the terminally misguided zerosec sloganeers/meme-regurgitators: Losec is empire-space too. I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.)
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 236	Posted - 2012.01.23 00:43:00 - [81] - Quote Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated lmfao so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now?
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 147	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:01:00 - [82] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated lmfao so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now? Because there are a lot of people who have a lot invested in current sov mechanics? New people are slowly spreading to W-Space, and we welcome them - blasters/rails/lasers hot, of course... Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Revii Lagoon The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 15	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:15:00 - [83] - Quote There seems to be a LOT of misconceptions about null sec, particularly from people who have obviously never been there. Is it safe? Well it's a whole lot safer than high or low sec. Answer this question: Who is trying to kill you? Answer: Anyone who is not friendly, and possibly 5 day old awoxers which can be easy to spot if you have half a brain and pay attention. "Moon goo only goes to fill the alliance leaders wallets!" Absolute bull **, there are a lot of capital (And by capital I mean POSes, Sov Bills, Fuel, ect.) expenses that need to be covered which people often don't know about. While this may not directly benefit an individual, its stuff that affects the alliance as a whole. Other things moon goo money is used for is ship replacement and free ships to be handed out when needed. Personally my corp always has a few scimitars to hand out to people for ops if needed. "High Sec is solo friendly!" So is null sec if you put your mind to it. I have seen quite a few solo pvper's around, they engage targets they can or gtfo. Ratting? Anomolies are ** easy and generate enough isk to pay for any ship losses you might incur doing pvp. Got to spend that money some how! "You need to be awake at this specific time for an op!!!" No you don't, they just let you know ahead of time so that you can prepare for it. Nothing is mandatory now days. Most competent alliances have some sort of way of getting in contact with people who aren't even online. Jabber, IRC, the archaic thing called a forum, are all things alliances use to get peoples attention so that you can have fun, and not have to be online at every waking moment to do things. I think a lot of people have serious misconceptions about null sec based on experiences from years ago. A lot has changed since the days of Atlas and BoB. Hell have you even flown with the goons ever? Its a lot of fun, even if you do die. Everyone now days has a laid back yet very serious attitude towards things.
Chesh Aideron Room Is Empty Enemy-Fleet 16	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:16:00 - [84] - Quote saltrock0000 wrote: People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise. 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time. This is a game people should paly it for fun WH master race reporting. We don't have problems with ISK, blobs, or ******* leaders! (Although the latter is debatable, but that's why guns are very good at diplomacy.)
Shizuken Venerated Stars 56	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:18:00 - [85] - Quote Atticus Fynch wrote: I chose hi-sec becuase I would actually like to play the game. Not have to be constantly replacing my ships in the wild-west of null space or constantly being tangled up by over-bubbled gates. I just dont see the fun in that. I agree with this notion. It would drive me nuts to log on every day and worry if I am going to lose all my **** that day...
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 47	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:39:00 - [86] - Quote Time or lack of the same choose for me.
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 361	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:39:00 - [87] - Quote To clear things up for the high sec 'people' among us: when an alliance CEO or diplo or whatever does something the rest don't like, 'faglord' '****' 'moron' '****' will be the first thing he hears from the 'null sec slaves' as you call them. but its okay stay chilly free willies
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 516	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:42:00 - [88] - Quote Shizuken wrote: Atticus Fynch wrote: I chose hi-sec becuase I would actually like to play the game. Not have to be constantly replacing my ships in the wild-west of null space or constantly being tangled up by over-bubbled gates. I just dont see the fun in that. I agree with this notion. It would drive me nuts to log on every day and worry if I am going to lose all my **** that day... That's the entire appeal of EVE to a huge chunk of players, myself included. The sort of players who thrived in oldschool Ultima Online. When risk is omnipresent, then you have to be sharp and alert. Something as simple as identifying a threat and avoiding it handily can give you an adrenaline rush. Things like casually blasting through a bubble camp is a blast too - and so is getting caught and trying to take people down with you! It makes every moment a little more exciting, no matter what is happening.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 516	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:43:00 - [89] - Quote Killstealing wrote: To clear things up for the high sec 'people' among us: when an alliance CEO or diplo or whatever does something the rest don't like, 'faglord' '****' 'moron' '****' will be the first thing he hears from the 'null sec slaves' as you call them. but its okay stay chilly free willies damnit broski, i miss you guys. wtf are you doing now?
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 361	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:47:00 - [90] - Quote 8) idk ask the other guys I'm just playing dota two
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 237	Posted - 2012.01.23 01:51:00 - [91] - Quote Asuri Kinnes wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated lmfao so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now? Because there are a lot of people who have a lot invested in current sov mechanics? You mean those guys who keep electing CSM representatives who run on the promise of changing current sov mechanics? It's not like npc nullsec is a new invention btw. hahahahahaha
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 147	Posted - 2012.01.23 02:14:00 - [92] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Asuri Kinnes wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated lmfao so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now? Because there are a lot of people who have a lot invested in current sov mechanics? You mean those guys who keep electing CSM representatives who run on the promise of changing current sov mechanics? It's not like npc nullsec is a new invention btw. hahahahahaha No. I mean the people (guys, guys playing gals and those few women) who've been out there, doing their thing, whatever it is, for the last two, three, four, 9 years? Some with the same groups/friends they've been with for most of a decade? Those guys. I mean, I've read your posts before, all over, you do the smart-ass thing real well. Just that this time I was saying what I think you would agree with; people who have invested the the time, energy and resources (personal and corp/alliance) aren't just going to suddenly pull up stakes and do something entirely different, en masse, just because something new has been put in game. I'm sure there are people from 0.0 in all parts of the game, and will be in the future - but the Sovereignty game is (by all reports) very intense. THAT is what I meant. 3/10 troll attempt, but only because I know you can do better...... Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 237	Posted - 2012.01.23 02:39:00 - [93] - Quote Asuri Kinnes wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Asuri Kinnes wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated lmfao so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now? Because there are a lot of people who have a lot invested in current sov mechanics? You mean those guys who keep electing CSM representatives who run on the promise of changing current sov mechanics? It's not like npc nullsec is a new invention btw. hahahahahaha No. I mean the people (guys, guys playing gals and those few women) who've been out there, doing their thing, whatever it is, for the last two, three, four, 9 years? Some with the same groups/friends they've been with for most of a decade? Those guys. So how are those guys making highsec players overpopulate highsec, as Tarryn claims? As for deep-rooted null players, you'd be surprised how adaptive they can be when it comes to acquiring income on PvE alts so that they can pursue their grudges in sov-0.0 (because most people who moved to null to make money left long ago).
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 362	Posted - 2012.01.23 02:52:00 - [94] - Quote All I know is that I don't have to pay for any ship I fly on ops, can borrow incursion ships when I want and can call my CEO a *** with him just laughing it off. I pity the people who actually have mandatory ops and a 'chain of command', I heard some people can't even call their CEO a *** which is appaling to me
Zifrian Deep Space Innovations 192	Posted - 2012.01.23 03:19:00 - [95] - Quote From a mining perspective (I sometimes mine), there is no incentive to leave high-sec. Even with hulkageddon and other ganking of high-sec mining, there is just not enough of an incentive to go to low/null sec to mine. Using these numbers: http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/51/orcawithmaxhulk.jpg So maxed out hulk with a nearly maxed out Orca, and I could make the same thing in highsec. Why leave? For Arkonor and Bistot? Let's see, pros and cons of high vs. null. Pro null sec: - Arkonor and Bistot - Rorqual Con null sec: - Cloaking reds - Hot drops / PVP roams - Have to jump all your mining equipment to null or get through 30+ hops of gate camps with bubbles - Refining your ore sucks, or you need to move it to a station, which isn't always good either, usually station not in same system you mine in - You have to find someone to tank rats to get max yield, they usually want a cut of your profit - Fight over little bit of arkonor and bistot that shows up in the hidden belt you spent the last 5 hours mining crap you could mine in empire to get the industry upgrade up if you don't have natural belts (all while your combat friends can get high level anoms with very little effort with military upgrades and make far more isk per hour) - Jumping minerals to market unless you have an alliance buyer - Replacement equipment harder to get - A lot of time wasted on things other than mining Pro of high sec: - Perfect refining - Easy access to market - Can get equipment anytime you want - Rats are frigates and can be killed with small drones - No bubbles - Concord protection - Can read a book/watch a movie and mine - Stations in almost every system - Can make the same as Crokite and same or better than all low sec ores - Never have to scan down a belt to make good isk - Time is always well spent, mine when you want, don't when you don't Con of high sec: - Hulkageddon - Random gankers/can flippers For all the crying and whining about high-sec miners goes, when it comes down to comparing the two, It's not really a tough decision why people would rather mine in high-sec over null. For the record, I really wish CCP would balance it out towards null sec. But right now, I'm only going to do what is the best use of my time. Going to null sec is down at the bottom of that list. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour!
Barbie D0ll Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2012.01.23 04:05:00 - [96] - Quote I stole this picture from someone else but I suppose this is [strikeout]one[/strikeout] many reasons why if you have something worthwhile in nullsec, someone will be there shortly to take it
Skydell Space Mermaids 115	Posted - 2012.01.23 04:32:00 - [97] - Quote The illusion that high sec is "full" is a problem. Genesis is huge, mostly empty Khanid is largely empty Minmatar regions, Empty Even with the vanilla level agent change people haven't spread out but why people choose high sec over null sec is pretty simple. You don't need 1200 people who hate PvE to defend a high sec system.
Elessa Enaka State War Academy Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.01.23 04:46:00 - [98] - Quote Tippia wrote: Vyl Vit wrote: Tippia wrote: So, basically, people choose highsec because they don't know any better? Sounds reasonableGÇª Nice try. No cigar. Conveniently overlook the gist is returning from 0.0 to have fun playing a game, not staying out there to suck up to a handful of bigshots that own you coming and going. Yeah, no. That would work if all these people actually tried out not-highsec, but they don't. They just stay in highsec because they hear stories like this and don't actually go check for themselves. They choose it because they don't know better. I've actually tried out not-highsec and found that it really left me wanting.... I went out there and discovered that if you don't want to be an NBSI asshat, there is no place for you. I refuse to be a pet or a renter, I approached several NRDS alliances and discovered that they are too insular and paranoid to even consider allowing you to join their alliance or even to socialize with them so they can get a chance to know you. So, without an alliance to begin with, setting up a worthwhile operation in 0.0 (even NPC 0.0) isn't an option for a fairly small NRDS corp. I've also looked into lowsec and found that it isn't nearly as bad as some would have you think. Yes, there are shitheads there, but there are also some decent people if you look hard enough. The pirates are ridiculous, trying to negotiate with them is like trying to communicate with a brick. I like lowsec, it gives a nice balance of what you can find in 0.0 and what you can find in highsec. I will be honest though, I spend a good deal of my time in highsec due to the convenience of it. Low and 0.0 hold no fear over me as they do many other residents of highsec, though that does not mean that I feel that I must spend most of my time in them. I just go there when I feel like it. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 237	Posted - 2012.01.23 06:41:00 - [99] - Quote Zifrian wrote: For all the crying and whining about high-sec miners goes, when it comes down to comparing the two, It's not really a tough decision why people would rather mine in high-sec over null. For the record, I really wish CCP would balance it out towards null sec. But right now, I'm only going to do what is the best use of my time. Going to null sec is down at the bottom of that list. you and everyone else man, at least you're honest enough to not hide behind some histrionic emotion-fuel justification of it. Nerf the crap ouf null years ago, create new, riskfree isk faucets in highsec, wonder where all the inhabitants went. Hmmm...
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 1153	Posted - 2012.01.23 06:53:00 - [100] - Quote High sec is great to stage out of, but if you don't want nullsec politics and slavery, then have the patience to use wormholes get between the two. You can end up in pockets of null so deep even the people who "own" it won't bother to look for you there. And I have found if you are not in a bot-infested area, they really don't care. Wormholes do get camped, but nothing like the way gates are camped. There is a score of variables around that. You must study it. I have been using the same ship for these endeavors since 2009 and with the goal of avoiding combat - except for the occasional exploration site or sleepers on my way - you need not worry so much about PVP. PVP is NOT: "you leave highsec, get blobbed, die, not profit(?), repeat till broke". It's BS. I go into null for weeks, never use gates, seldom use stations (unless it's a place where i can establish a JC), and eventually come back with a hold full of exploration and sleeper goodies. You need patience and a will to play the game in a way that requires it, and shed the "everybody get stuck in the same rush hour on the same highway every day" mode of thinking that seems to infect this game. You will not fit ships the way you "should", you will not do what everybody else does, but good applications of strategy and tactics will see you through to your mission. It's either mine and grind in highsec or rent and cannon fodder in null, IF you forget what a sandbox this game is.
Deen Wispa Screaming War Eagles Incorporated 84	Posted - 2012.01.23 07:00:00 - [101] - Quote Why hisec? Kids. Hot girlfriend. Partying on the weekends. Well-paid job. Running a business. That's why hisec. .
Umega Solis Mensa 47	Posted - 2012.01.23 07:39:00 - [102] - Quote I demand the title of this thread be changed to 'Assumption vs Truth'. Can lead a donkey to water, can't make the donkey drink. I'm not going to address some of the misconceptions from my perspective.. it looks, pointless to even try. Other than state.. it really is poor logic to lump every single member of a null alliance into a stereotype. And then ontop of that.. lump all null sec core players into a single derogatory stereotype. The people that tend to do this are so bitter.. simply because they really do NOT get this game. They never will. Forget them.. they will be forgotten eventually anyway. There are plenty of well rounded, good down to earth people across all of null/low, all them alliances, pirates, whatever. They are just playing this game.. EVE. Everybody Verse Everybody or as I like to call it, Enjoying Vicarious Entertainment. In my experinces.. I dare say those people that stem n stay n live only in highsec are more mentally f'd up than the rest (idk some of you wh'ers are pretty nuts too). Take things too serious. Don't throw caution to the wind.. cause this is merely a video game. A 'cruel harsh'.. video game. Really.. it's only as harsh as your mind lets it be. Highsec is so repeatative. I mean.. really.. really.. really badly repeatative. You all should be thankful things take place to 'grief' you. Ultimately.. it should just spice up the game for you and your life. Can only mine a rock with a pointless lil frig rat daisy slapping you so much.. can only run the same ole 4s so much.. same Incursions.. same mind numbingly easy exploration sites.. cart supplies from same hub to n from.. click invention/research jobs on.. before, you're Dead. There are no stories.. no room for growth. There is nothing epic about amassing billions.. when you do nothing with it. A shiny is only shiny when you take it out to let it shine. And the most important thing you can set out to shine in this 'vicious', 'harsh', 'evil' MMO called EVE.. is Yourself. Tough to do when you are trapped in a never ending repeatative cycle.. that you have your mind believing is the correct way. Fear, afraid of what's beyond the Door. Afraid of losing. Here is a hint for some of you.. You are going to lose everything when you quit. Make the most of everything you have while you have it here.. enjoy this game to it's full potential and let yourselves go. Some day you will quit.. what is wealth without memories? Only memories will be remembered.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1311	Posted - 2012.01.23 07:57:00 - [103] - Quote @ Umega plenty of cliche .. memories are irrelevant in same way as anything else. Universe will cease to exist at some point an time.. And memories of minor achievement in game will not be remembered even in next generation.. Your kids will not remember anything about your grand father/mother. And what they will remember is up to "goverment" and what they want people to become/ what they allow to be lectured. What side of history etc. It will take approximately two full generation to create common knowledge of 1+1=3
Umega Solis Mensa 50	Posted - 2012.01.23 08:17:00 - [104] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: @ Umega plenty of cliche .. memories are irrelevant in same way as anything else. Universe will cease to exist at some point an time.. And memories of minor achievement in game will not be remembered even in next generation.. Your kids will not remember anything about your grand father/mother. And what they will remember is up to "goverment" and what they want people to become/ what they allow to be lectured. What side of history etc. It will take approximately two full generation to create common knowledge of 1+1=3 Okey dokes, soothsayer. And for all you know the Universe will collapse and repop into the same Universe, because mathematical ties are so strong like that. All the formulas of the past re-formulate into the same equations, with the same contests and the same outcomes. And your life, and your memories repeat themselves again.. and for those that failed in a video game will fail again.And those that share a laugh and enjoy the game that it was meant to be played will enjoy it again.. and again.. and again.. while those fear mongers are clutching the nonexistent pixel items/wealth for no good reason other than to horde. I liked my transformers out of the package when I was kid. And I beat the **** out of them, blown one up with a cherry bomb.. and had a blast. Keeping them in a box, never to be used.. is a waste of a moment, a memory. Simple analogy to my point.
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 300	Posted - 2012.01.23 08:39:00 - [105] - Quote Umega wrote: I demand the title of this thread be changed to 'Assumption vs Truth'. Can lead a donkey to water, can't make the donkey drink. I'm not going to address some of the misconceptions from my perspective.. it looks, pointless to even try. Other than state.. it really is poor logic to lump every single member of a null alliance into a stereotype. And then ontop of that.. lump all null sec core players into a single derogatory stereotype. The people that tend to do this are so bitter.. simply because they really do NOT get this game. They never will. Forget them.. they will be forgotten eventually anyway. There are plenty of well rounded, good down to earth people across all of null/low, all them alliances, pirates, whatever. They are just playing this game.. EVE. Everybody Verse Everybody or as I like to call it, Enjoying Vicarious Entertainment. In my experinces.. I dare say those people that stem n stay n live only in highsec are more mentally f'd up than the rest (idk some of you wh'ers are pretty nuts too). Take things too serious. Don't throw caution to the wind.. cause this is merely a video game. A 'cruel harsh'.. video game. Really.. it's only as harsh as your mind lets it be. Highsec is so repeatative. I mean.. really.. really.. really badly repeatative. You all should be thankful things take place to 'grief' you. Ultimately.. it should just spice up the game for you and your life. Can only mine a rock with a pointless lil frig rat daisy slapping you so much.. can only run the same ole 4s so much.. same Incursions.. same mind numbingly easy exploration sites.. cart supplies from same hub to n from.. click invention/research jobs on.. before, you're Dead. There are no stories.. no room for growth. There is nothing epic about amassing billions.. when you do nothing with it. A shiny is only shiny when you take it out to let it shine. And the most important thing you can set out to shine in this 'vicious', 'harsh', 'evil' MMO called EVE.. is Yourself. Tough to do when you are trapped in a never ending repeatative cycle.. that you have your mind believing is the correct way. Fear, afraid of what's beyond the Door. Afraid of losing. Here is a hint for some of you.. You are going to lose everything when you quit. Make the most of everything you have while you have it here.. enjoy this game to it's full potential and let yourselves go. Some day you will quit.. what is wealth without memories? Only memories will be remembered. Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs I am so sick and tired of you socalled nullsec elitist who think everything done by CCP is for them alone and that people shoulkd play this game your way and anybody thinking otherwise should leave or if they don't leave voluntarry , grief them out of the game and what is most hypocrite of all , you ullsec assholes are the first to cry because they rarely find new members these days anymore and can't understand why people refuse to go to nullsec You ve done nothing out there except complaining about high sec and the lack of things to do or to explore , there is plenty to do out there , you nullsec assholes are just too blind and too lazy or stupid to see it I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Umega Solis Mensa 50	Posted - 2012.01.23 08:56:00 - [106] - Quote pussnheels wrote: Umega wrote: I demand the title of this thread be changed to 'Assumption vs Truth'. Can lead a donkey to water, can't make the donkey drink. I'm not going to address some of the misconceptions from my perspective.. it looks, pointless to even try. Other than state.. it really is poor logic to lump every single member of a null alliance into a stereotype. And then ontop of that.. lump all null sec core players into a single derogatory stereotype. The people that tend to do this are so bitter.. simply because they really do NOT get this game. They never will. Forget them.. they will be forgotten eventually anyway. There are plenty of well rounded, good down to earth people across all of null/low, all them alliances, pirates, whatever. They are just playing this game.. EVE. Everybody Verse Everybody or as I like to call it, Enjoying Vicarious Entertainment. In my experinces.. I dare say those people that stem n stay n live only in highsec are more mentally f'd up than the rest (idk some of you wh'ers are pretty nuts too). Take things too serious. Don't throw caution to the wind.. cause this is merely a video game. A 'cruel harsh'.. video game. Really.. it's only as harsh as your mind lets it be. Highsec is so repeatative. I mean.. really.. really.. really badly repeatative. You all should be thankful things take place to 'grief' you. Ultimately.. it should just spice up the game for you and your life. Can only mine a rock with a pointless lil frig rat daisy slapping you so much.. can only run the same ole 4s so much.. same Incursions.. same mind numbingly easy exploration sites.. cart supplies from same hub to n from.. click invention/research jobs on.. before, you're Dead. There are no stories.. no room for growth. There is nothing epic about amassing billions.. when you do nothing with it. A shiny is only shiny when you take it out to let it shine. And the most important thing you can set out to shine in this 'vicious', 'harsh', 'evil' MMO called EVE.. is Yourself. Tough to do when you are trapped in a never ending repeatative cycle.. that you have your mind believing is the correct way. Fear, afraid of what's beyond the Door. Afraid of losing. Here is a hint for some of you.. You are going to lose everything when you quit. Make the most of everything you have while you have it here.. enjoy this game to it's full potential and let yourselves go. Some day you will quit.. what is wealth without memories? Only memories will be remembered. Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs I am so sick and tired of you socalled nullsec elitist who think everything done by CCP is for them alone and that people shoulkd play this game your way and anybody thinking otherwise should leave or if they don't leave voluntarry , grief them out of the game and what is most hypocrite of all , you ullsec assholes are the first to cry because they rarely find new members these days anymore and can't understand why people refuse to go to nullsec You ve done nothing out there except complaining about high sec and the lack of things to do or to explore , there is plenty to do out there , you nullsec assholes are just too blind and too lazy or stupid to see it Heh. I'll keep this simple with a minor question.. and let the differences in each other's post allow others to draw their own conclusions. Why do you think Goons attacked ice miners?
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 534	Posted - 2012.01.23 08:57:00 - [107] - Quote pussnheels wrote: Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs Heh. I think someone took a look in the mirror and described themselves, but to make them feel better about themselves, they replaced "I" with "you nullsec dwellers". Have a tinfoil hat and some anti-bitter.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:08:00 - [108] - Quote Skim read some of the thread, full of null vs high politics so I skipped most of it. What I would say from my point of view. Back when I first played EVE several years ago , high sec income was dire, the only way to make decent isk was to get involved in the more PvP orientated game (lo-null). After returning some 3 years later that is no longer the case, a high seccer these days can quite happily afford to plex there account and afford some shineys on top (dependent on what you do) . Makes the 'job ingame' style of null sec seem less worthwhile, why join some little hitlers personal military just to earn a bit more, what you gonna do with all that isk anyway? YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Sicex 12	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:08:00 - [109] - Quote Umega wrote: Why do you think Goons attacked ice miners? Duh, they're meanie heads...
Black Dranzer 133	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:12:00 - [110] - Quote I live in highsec because that's where Jita is. In my (admittedly limited) experience, the lowsec and nullsec markets are absolutely horrendous. I'd be more inclined to do faction warfare if it wasn't, you know, ****.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 262	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:24:00 - [111] - Quote pussnheels wrote: Quality tears. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif
ACE McFACE Acetech Systems 549	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:31:00 - [112] - Quote I choose high sec because all the 'evil people' we fight in CTAs sort targets alphabetically after they kill the important things. ACE is pretty high on that list Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt!
Pillowtalk Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:31:00 - [113] - Quote Andski wrote: Grumpy Owly wrote: Andski wrote: saltrock0000 wrote: 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's Those are the alliances that fall apart the second a more powerful entity looks at them crosswise. saltrock0000 wrote: People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's ship replacement programs? what an innovative idea, if only we had thought of that and implemented a comprehensive ISK compensation program for strat ops and a partial compensation program for roaming/solo PvP oh wait, we have, and we're far from the first alliance to do that! And then look at the 15% tax needed to run that "partial" programme. ahahahaha taxes son, we have 60+ tech moons, taxes just keep the wallet healthy fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december I may not know Eve perfectly, but I'm a pro at math. So lets take a looksie...... 2400 technetium a day x 30 days x 60 moons x 100,000 isk per unit = 432 billion a month And your reimbursement program is "partial" AND you have a 15% tax rate AND you claim that your members aren't your slaves. Now Im gunna go nuts here trying to help you out and say it costs 400,000,000 isk a month to keep one of those technetium POS's fueled. That comes to 24 billion. That would give us 432 bil - 24 bil =408 bil - 120 bil paid out for ship replacement = 288 billion Hmm 288 billion profit a month AND a 15% tax rate on your members, and we didn't even include income from other moons. You Sir fail at math, and you have shown just how much nullsec really is slavery, and I am calling the IRS on you. Do they know about these 60 tech moons?
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:32:00 - [114] - Quote Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money. I'm literally shocked.
Teowulff Odinson Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:34:00 - [115] - Quote Well nullsec isn't for casual players like me. After having been absent for a while due to RL things I'm not really waiting to see my stuff lost in some station that's been taken over. I don't like being extremely dependent on my corpies. I don't want to answer CTAs when I don't feel like it. I'm not interested in blob wars. And so on. I would like a universe like in starwars with remote neutral outposts and outlaws - but nulsec is hardly like that. Things like interdictors and gate camps really make things a lot less casual player friendly. Especially if you have to travel hours to get there in the first place. I just don't have time for that. Next to that there's not a lot of incentives for solo or small groups. There's no way you can do risky hit-and-run raids on high-end moon installations to steal the materials, for example. No way to make phat loot in a small amount of time. There's no way to smuggle stuff. There's actually not a lot of rewarding adventurous things to do for solo players or small groups. Highsec is just easy. Everything is available and withing acceptable range. Admitted, it gets a bit boring but that's also due to the game mechanics. Missions could be more exciting. Mining could have been designed to be more fun and challening.
Pillowtalk Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:39:00 - [116] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money. I'm literally shocked. Well from the looks of the map Goons hold about 60ish systems or so. So if we divide 288 billion by 60 we get 4.8 billion per system per month. So it costs 4.8 billion to buy and run the sov structures for a month?
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 158	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:48:00 - [117] - Quote saltrock0000 wrote: People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise. 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time. This is a game people should paly it for fun I have been on a sh!tty alliance like that. That's why I dumped them and switched to another. Big deal, eh?
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:49:00 - [118] - Quote Pillowtalk wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money. I'm literally shocked. Well from the looks of the map Goons hold about 60ish systems or so. So if we divide 288 billion by 60 we get 4.8 billion per system per month. So it costs 4.8 billion to buy and run the sov structures for a month? Come on now, you're gunna have to give me more than that if you wanna win me over to your way of thinking. 4.8 billion per system per month is still a butt load of cash. Also don't forget we are ONLY talking about your income from tech moons. We haven't touched the income from other sources such as lower quality moons or the 15% tax, or your market manipulation shenanigans. Add supers investment, JB fuel, fuel for the ships fuelling the JBs, and building an actual warchest for when tech isn't the go-to moon anymore, and there you go. I'm not saying we're running a not-for-profit organization here, but the reason the reimbursement is "partial" and still not higher than 120b is because we're not giving people fully fitted ships (we're reimbursing the difference between cost of a new ship and insurance), and we haven't lost more ships. Also, I didn't PVP for a full month because I didn't feel like it. I'm feeling like such a slave.
Roime UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS 126	Posted - 2012.01.23 09:55:00 - [119] - Quote I still don't understand why people associate themselves with security levels So I choose New Eden.
Pillowtalk Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:00:00 - [120] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: I'm not saying we're running a not-for-profit organization here Why not? Shouldn't everyone receive equal parts of the profits seeing as nothing an alliance accomplishes is done alone? Why should any of the higher ups get a stash of money so big that they could play eve for free for the next 50 years? Wallstreet anyone? And you guys portray yourselves as anti-establishment. lol
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 302	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:01:00 - [121] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money. I'm literally shocked. well you have CCP sanctioned bots for that don't you , and since you goons/ cheaters even refuse to report bots .... enough said I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:05:00 - [122] - Quote Pillowtalk wrote: Lord Zim wrote: I'm not saying we're running a not-for-profit organization here Why not? Shouldn't everyone receive equal parts of the profits seeing as nothing an alliance accomplishes is done alone? We've got upgraded space, we've got replacement ships being moved to whereever we're staging from, we have a huge platform set in motion to support us actually living out there, and we've got fights. I'd say that's "receive equal parts of the profits". Pillowtalk wrote: Why should any of the higher ups get a stash of money so big that they could play eve for free for the next 50 years? What do you think the common goon would do with that amount of money? Yep. ** it away on dumb **. What is it being spent on? The space, the people, and a warchest for when times are leaner.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:06:00 - [123] - Quote pussnheels wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money. I'm literally shocked. well you have CCP sanctioned bots for that don't you , and since you goons/ cheaters even refuse to report bots .... enough said "Don't shoot" != "don't report". Hope that helps.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1637	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:10:00 - [124] - Quote Pillowtalk wrote: Lord Zim wrote: I'm not saying we're running a not-for-profit organization here Why not? Shouldn't everyone receive equal parts of the profits seeing as nothing an alliance accomplishes is done alone? Why should any of the higher ups get a stash of money so big that they could play eve for free for the next 50 years? Wallstreet anyone? And you guys portray yourselves as anti-establishment. lol generous capital and supercapital subsidies, full ship reimbursement, PLEX for active logistics and FC personnel we reward participation, not mere membership
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 239	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:10:00 - [125] - Quote how the hell would a 'no bot reporting' policy be enforced anyway? Would Mittani get a phonecall in the middle of the night from a "Mr. JOHNSON"?
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:12:00 - [126] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: pussnheels wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money. I'm literally shocked. well you have CCP sanctioned bots for that don't you , and since you goons/ cheaters even refuse to report bots .... enough said "Don't shoot" != "don't report". Hope that helps. Any particular reason for a 'Don't shoot' policy other than the fact the bot might belong to a friend of yours YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:13:00 - [127] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Any particular reason for a 'Don't shoot' policy other than the fact the bot might be a friend of yours Simple, it'll become a "he said she said" shitfest. There's more than enough ** to deal with on a daily basis without the added drama of ** like that, better to let CCP, you know, enforce their game.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1637	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:14:00 - [128] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: pussnheels wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money. I'm literally shocked. well you have CCP sanctioned bots for that don't you , and since you goons/ cheaters even refuse to report bots .... enough said "Don't shoot" != "don't report". Hope that helps. Any particular reason for a 'Don't shoot' policy other than the fact the bot might belong to a friend of yours if you don't get the reasoning behind a "don't fuck goons/allies" rule you should probably stay in high-sec with all the other white knights all alliances have rules like that
Long John Silver Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:15:00 - [129] - Quote I find the gameplay in empire space to be more subtle and tricksy. In null, the red/blue thing makes things very black and white (well you know what I mean). In empire space, you never know who you're going to encounter next, the vast majority of players will leave you alone, but every so often... and when they do, the tricks adopted by pilots to outwit each other can be very subtle, or with a more calculated risk/reward approach considered around the game mechanics. That said, the infantile ravings in local at the trade and mission hubs are tedious at best, but get away from these and a very enjoyable game can be played. Long John Silver \| Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:16:00 - [130] - Quote Andski wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: pussnheels wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money. I'm literally shocked. well you have CCP sanctioned bots for that don't you , and since you goons/ cheaters even refuse to report bots .... enough said "Don't shoot" != "don't report". Hope that helps. Any particular reason for a 'Don't shoot' policy other than the fact the bot might belong to a friend of yours if you don't get the reasoning behind a "don't fuck goons/allies" rule you should probably stay in high-sec with all the other white knights all alliances have rules like that So your admitting Alliances/Friendships with bot users ? YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Pillowtalk Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:16:00 - [131] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Pillowtalk wrote: Lord Zim wrote: I'm not saying we're running a not-for-profit organization here Why not? Shouldn't everyone receive equal parts of the profits seeing as nothing an alliance accomplishes is done alone? We've got upgraded space, we've got replacement ships being moved to whereever we're staging from, we have a huge platform set in motion to support us actually living out there, and we've got fights. I'd say that's "receive equal parts of the profits". Pillowtalk wrote: Why should any of the higher ups get a stash of money so big that they could play eve for free for the next 50 years? What do you think the common goon would do with that amount of money? Yep. ** it away on dumb **. What is it being spent on? The space, the people, and a warchest for when times are leaner. Sir, you're organization is sitting on enormous sums of cash and at the same time manipulating markets to make further profits on the backs of those with a fraction of your wealth. So getting back to the topic at hand, I just mined for several hours for an implant I want. I paid nothing to corporate overseer's, I didn't have to concern myself with being called away while I mined, and I didn't have to help pay for some internet glory seeking foul mouthed chuckle head's plex for the next 50 years. I am the captain of my own ship. Goons aren't even flying their own ships as you have pointed out. :)
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:18:00 - [132] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Any particular reason for a 'Don't shoot' policy other than the fact the bot might be a friend of yours Simple, it'll become a "he said she said" shitfest. There's more than enough ** to deal with on a daily basis without the added drama of like that, better to let CCP, you know, enforce their game. So you'll grief the rest of New Eden for lulz, but won't shoot at known bots in your own space incase of a diplomatic incident, OK YOU MUST THINK FIRST....**
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 239	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:21:00 - [133] - Quote i wish i could mine veldspar for +4s...
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:22:00 - [134] - Quote Pillowtalk wrote: and I didn't have to help pay for some internet glory seeking foul mouthed chuckle head's plex for the next 50 years. If you think mittani's foul mouthed, then you seriously haven't seen the ** I manage to spew forth on a regular basis. Pillowtalk wrote: I am the captain of my own ship. Goons aren't even flying their own ships as you have pointed out. :) What constitutes "your own ship"? Because I buy it, I just choose to reward the alliance with putting it back on the line. vOv Professor Alphane wrote: So you'll grief the rest of New Eden for lulz, but won't shoot at known bots in your own space incase of a diplomatic incident, OK Yes. There's no "diplomatic incident" when shooting ice miners in gallente space, whereas shooting blues usually involves someone has to talk to the guy who got shot, evidence has to be waded through, and it's still not 100% sure we're looking at an actual bot and not just someone autistic. And if it's not clear it's a bot, reimbursements have to be handed out. Or we can just say "report the ones you think are actually bots, don't be a ** like that test dude who reported everyone because he was a dickless **", and let CCP deal with it.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1641	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:23:00 - [135] - Quote Pillowtalk wrote: Sir, you're organization is sitting on enormous sums of cash and at the same time manipulating markets to make further profits on the backs of those with a fraction of your wealth. So getting back to the topic at hand, I just mined for several hours for an implant I want. I paid nothing to corporate overseer's, I didn't have to concern myself with being called away while I mined, and I didn't have to help pay for some internet glory seeking foul mouthed chuckle head's plex for the next 50 years. I am the captain of my own ship. Goons aren't even flying their own ships as you have pointed out. :) That is why I am in high-sec. Actually, anyone dumb enough to mine in our space gets tax-free refineries and they can do whatever the hell they want with their ores/minerals. Goons fly their own ships.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:23:00 - [136] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: So your admitting Alliances/Friendships with bot users ? This is the kind of question you'd see in one of those press rooms in the west wing.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:27:00 - [137] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Yes. There's no "diplomatic incident" when shooting ice miners in gallente space, whereas shooting blues usually involves someone has to talk to the guy who got shot, evidence has to be waded through, and it's still not 100% sure we're looking at an actual bot and not just someone autistic. And if it's not clear it's a bot, reimbursements have to be handed out. Or we can just say "report the ones you think are actually bots, don't be a **** like that test dude who reported everyone because he was a dickless ", and let CCP deal with it. Very responsible and commendable of you I'm sure. Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'. Goons known for there fanaftical hatred of everything not Goon, showing neutrality to bot users, makes you think doesn't it. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....**
Roime UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS 126	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:28:00 - [138] - Quote Pillowtalk wrote: Sir, you're organization is sitting on enormous sums of cash and at the same time manipulating markets to make further profits on the backs of those with a fraction of your wealth. I'd call this winning in EVE, to be honest, and applaud Goonswarm for playing well.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:30:00 - [139] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: So your admitting Alliances/Friendships with bot users ? This is the kind of question you'd see in one of those press rooms in the west wing. Thats not a denial Mr President YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Tore Vest 152	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:32:00 - [140] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: i wish i could mine veldspar for +4s... mmm... veldspar Highsec carebear... and proud of it
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:32:00 - [141] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: So your admitting Alliances/Friendships with bot users ? This is the kind of question you'd see in one of those press rooms in the west wing. Thats not a denial Mr President And that's precisely why. It's a ** question which deserves a ** answer.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1641	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:35:00 - [142] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Very responsible and commendable of you I'm sure. Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'. Goons known for there fanaftical hatred of everything not Goon, showing neutrality to bot users, makes you think doesn't it. I'm part of my alliance's reimbursement team and I can tell you that we pay for more than a "couple of ships." Our reimbursement program, while expensive as hell (70-120bn per month) owns and nobody in GSF has to grind to replace their ships.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:37:00 - [143] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'. I'm sure we actually care deeply for "our bots", and that the reimbursement is the main reason. It certainly isn't the fact that we actually prefer it when we don't have to deal with whiny bitches and **** drama day out and day in. Nope. Professor Alphane wrote:** Goons known for there fanaftical hatred of everything not Goon, showing neutrality to bot users, makes you think doesn't it. Let's ask TNT, SMA, Gents, FA, FCON and test how we hate anything non-goon.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:45:00 - [144] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'. I'm sure we actually care deeply for "our bots", and that the reimbursement is the main reason. It certainly isn't the fact that we actually prefer it when we don't have to deal with whiny bitches and **** drama day out and day in. Nope. Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....**
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 22	Posted - 2012.01.23 10:48:00 - [145] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'. I'm sure we actually care deeply for "our bots", and that the reimbursement is the main reason. It certainly isn't the fact that we actually prefer it when we don't have to deal with whiny bitches and **** drama day out and day in. Nope. Professor Alphane wrote:** Goons known for there fanaftical hatred of everything not Goon, showing neutrality to bot users, makes you think doesn't it. Let's ask TNT, SMA, Gents, FA, FCON and test how we hate anything non-goon. fist bump pussnheels wrote: Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs I am so sick and tired of you socalled nullsec elitist who think everything done by CCP is for them alone and that people shoulkd play this game your way and anybody thinking otherwise should leave or if they don't leave voluntarry , grief them out of the game and what is most hypocrite of all , you ullsec assholes are the first to cry because they rarely find new members these days anymore and can't understand why people refuse to go to nullsec You ve done nothing out there except complaining about high sec and the lack of things to do or to explore , there is plenty to do out there , you nullsec assholes are just too blind and too lazy or stupid to see it umad? Why all the hate? Its unhealthy to project personalities onto groups you barely know nothing about and then proceed to ddemonise them.
Swordfingers Universal Freelance 18	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:03:00 - [146] - Quote I don't, really, stay in high sec too much, but I sure as hell stay clear of blue sec for simple reasons. Too much drama, commitment and politics for a computer game. Actually it's an anal sex thing. Some people go on about how it's cool and the best thing snice sliced bread and you haven't experienced real sex without it and the rest simply don't want a bleeding ass in the long term.
tikktokk tokkzikk Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent 15	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:06:00 - [147] - Quote saltrock0000 wrote: People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise. 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time. This is a game people should paly it for fun Join 99% dude! We're in NPC space and just lol'ing around! I also tought nullsec alliance was as described above until I join 99% [/recruitment] But seriously, it is all about finding the right guys!
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1641	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:10:00 - [148] - Quote tikktokk tokkzikk wrote: saltrock0000 wrote: People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise. 0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income. The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time. This is a game people should paly it for fun Join 99% dude! We're in NPC space and just lol'ing around! I also tought nullsec alliance was as described above until I join 99% [/recruitment] But seriously, it is all about finding the right guys! future cfc member
Jafit McJafitson Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 179	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:12:00 - [149] - Quote Why people choose nullsec: People choose nullset and oftern leave highsec for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a highsec pubbee twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise. Highsec focuses on belt mining and mission grinding - this means the players scooping cans and shooting rats make billions whilst expecting never to have to interact with other players who may impede thier isk income, despite Eve being a multiplayer game. The good alliance leaders treat thier memebrs well and expect massive turn outs for thier battle-badger ops and teamspeak concerts There is only so much target f1 red crosses any person can take in highsec missions People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Good alliances do offer FULL ship replacements and respect people need to RAT to make money to have fun pvping The endless station games and blueballs that is empire wardecs is just boring, pointless and a waste of time. This is a game people should paly it for fun --- I do love posts like the OP, they're a clear indicator of a traumatic experience. To be fair, terrible alliances described in the OP's post do exist, the trick is to not be in them and instead find a good corp/alliance that doesn't have the problems you describe. But wait I'm in TEST and I'm talking about what it's like to be in a good alliance, to clarify TEST is a good alliance to be in it's just full of terrible players. To live in highsec is pointless, you acquire isk for the sake of acquiring isk with no risk and no interaction with other players, in order to buy a better ship to make more isk , Once you're in an officer fit Tengu then I assume you just continue adding numbers to your wallet aimlessly. Instead you could just stay docked and spin your ship to watch the counter go up and have roughly the same experience. Or maybe you could play a single player game while lurking in a few game related chat channels? Ever notice how CCP don't make (very misleading) trailers for Eve about what people do in highsec? It's because you're all playing the game wrong. In closing I'll leave you with this: http://soundcloud.com/firedmn/pubbies
March rabbit Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx 116	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:12:00 - [150] - Quote pussnheels wrote: I am so sick and tired sorry for you... really sorry maybe you should try to get some fun from game you are paying for?
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 302	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:27:00 - [151] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: [umad? Why all the hate? Its unhealthy to project personalities onto groups you barely know nothing about and then proceed to ddemonise them. No not mad , just sick and tired of some alliances arrogance and selfishness and the way they think that everything rn this game revolves around them alone , forgetting that they only represents less than 20 % of all players If there is a group of players that will kill this game eventually it is them And if they really think CCP will still be able to support and expand this game on the same scale it is today, when everyone else besides them is gone , well let them have what they want then I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Swordfingers Universal Freelance 18	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:31:00 - [152] - Quote Oh, and many people stay in high sec, because when they want to join, they get stuff like this: Andski wrote: sell your character buy a PvP character done or, even better: Renan Ruivo wrote: Do what the gentlemen above you said then. Just don't guarantee you will get a SP-for-SP char though... nobody cares about industry and mining and ****.... from this thread. Those fine gentlemen may have been mostly trolling, but it demonstrates the general sentiment in sov null. Some don't want to conform to fleet doctrines and alliance rules, beacause when they play the game it's "me time". And now, stop making these threads, we all know that people who wanted to go to null are already mostly there and the rest doesn't really care.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 22	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:46:00 - [153] - Quote pussnheels wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: [umad? Why all the hate? Its unhealthy to project personalities onto groups you barely know nothing about and then proceed to ddemonise them. No not mad , just sick and tired of some alliances arrogance and selfishness and the way they think that everything rn this game revolves around them alone , forgetting that they only represents less than 20 % of all players If there is a group of players that will kill this game eventually it is them And if they really think CCP will still be able to support and expand this game on the same scale it is today, when everyone else besides them is gone , well let them have what they want then You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due to hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Instead we get players like you constantly bleating about how the big bad goons touched you. Scaring potential players into staying in those ridiculous npc corps, playing solo for 6 months and getting bored shitless by the 10% of the game they actually experience. I know for a fact thats what happens because its what happened to me in my first year of playing and I left. Granted I came back and found a good corp to hang around in with other players until i realised i wanted more pvp. Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 11:52:00 - [154] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence. I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:03:00 - [155] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence. I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again. True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible That's your stated purpose isn't it? YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 303	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:04:00 - [156] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Instead we get players like you constantly bleating about how the big bad goons touched you. Scaring potential players into staying in those ridiculous npc corps, playing solo for 6 months and get bored shitless by the 10% of the game they actually experience. I know for a fact thats what happens because its what happened to me in my first year of playing and I left. Granted I came back and found a good corp to hang around in with other players until i realised i wanted more pvp. Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game. That is your view on the game My view is that CCP created this game with 3 distinctive areas each with their own different playingstyles Your saying highsec dwellers only participate in 10% of the game , same can be said about nullsec dwellers who probavbly are using less than 5% of the game , that is if you include counting the plexes you run in between blobs Granted finding the right and a good corp is essential to enjoy the game fullest , but why then did CCP create a whole player driven economy when this game is only about pvp and nullsec like you say Should be really easy just to delete all high sec industry , you get rid of all those annoying miners / industry characters and lets do away with all lvl2 lvl 3 and lvl 4 missions move them to low sec and npc nullsec no more npc corp missionrunners hooorah Now we got rid of all those carebears whinners , ultimate win for all those hardcore pvp only idiots and what next , you really think CCP can support and keep expanding this game when they just lost 80 % of their subscribers I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 22	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:05:00 - [157] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence. I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again. True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible That's your stated purpose isn't it? Confirming that goons are concentrated evil out to make everyone's lives a missery...
Teowulff Odinson Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:05:00 - [158] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due to hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game. And therein lies part of the problem. I think many if not most people aren't actually very risk averse. People just don't want to be forced into well established big groups of people and comply to the general rule and group mentality. What i do miss in EVE is space for individuals or small groups to thrive in nulsec. Why should 0.0 space be divided into parts that are owned by alliances? Why can't there be neutral smugggler outposts where individuals can have a place. EVE's nulsec game mechanics (like jump drives, sov mechanics) more or less force people to join existing gangs. So much for your "sandbox" idea. Swordfingers wrote: Those fine gentlemen may have been mostly trolling, but it demonstrates the general sentiment in sov null. Some don't want to conform to fleet doctrines and alliance rules, beacause when they play the game it's "me time". And now, stop making these threads, we all know that people who wanted to go to null are already mostly there and the rest doesn't really care. Same here. What's wrong with "me" time? It's a game, i want to relax, do whatever I fancy and not be forced into some (mostly silly and childish) group behaviour. I know a lot of people love it but a lot are averse to it. As long as nulsec mechanics (and size) doesn't really cater individualists, it's not a good place to be for the many independent, non-conformist people among us who couldn't care less about politics and sov warfare. That's one of the main problems with nulsec and why people stay in highsec, it's not the risk aversion.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:07:00 - [159] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence. I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again. True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible That's your stated purpose isn't it? Are you actually thinking that because we're goons (and we're not just goons, we're the entire CFC), we're supposed to go out and make our own lives as miserable as possible? Yeah, I can't explain this to you, can I?
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:10:00 - [160] - Quote pussnheels wrote: That is your view on the game My view is that CCP created this game with 3 distinctive areas each with their own different playingstyles Your saying highsec dwellers only participate in 10% of the game , same can be said about nullsec dwellers who probavbly are using less than 5% of the game Nope. I spend just as much time in hisec, doing manufacturing etc. pussnheels wrote: , that is if you include counting the plexes you run in between blobs ** plexes, missions, mining. them in their tight ***. I'd prefer to not turn into a drooling wreck, thank you. pussnheels wrote: Granted finding the right and a good corp is essential to enjoy the game fullest , but why then did CCP create a whole player driven economy when this game is only about pvp and nullsec like you say You're not getting it. pussnheels wrote:** Should be really easy just to delete all high sec industry , you get rid of all those annoying miners / industry characters and lets do away with all lvl2 lvl 3 and lvl 4 missions move them to low sec and npc nullsec no more npc corp missionrunners hooorah Now we got rid of all those carebears whinners , ultimate win for all those hardcore pvp only idiots and what next , you really think CCP can support and keep expanding this game when they just lost 80 % of their subscribers Still not getting it. Seriously, take off your tinfoilhat already and eat your damn anti-bitter pill.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:12:00 - [161] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence. I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again. True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible That's your stated purpose isn't it? Are you actually thinking that because we're goons (and we're not just goons, we're the entire CFC), we're supposed to go out and make our own lives as miserable as possible? Yeah, I can't explain this to you, can I? As we are discusing bots, I think you have made things perfectly clear, no need for any further explanation I feel YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Hicksimus Xion Limited 89	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:13:00 - [162] - Quote Both suck and are full of morons, choose wormhole space. Things I have realized from the EvE forums: Many people beleive cost means money and only money
Alaric Faelen Aquila Venatici Bringers of Death. 47	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:15:00 - [163] - Quote Number one- risk to reward ratio is off. You can play this game for years and succeed, without ever leaving high sec. The idea of increasing reward for increasing risk (low and null) doesn't work very well in practice. Very specific ambitions require dangerous space- like owning sov- but simply put- getting rich or getting to some end game content doesn't require you leave high sec. In fact, as many people say- often they leave low or null to go back to high sec because they can make even more there without the risk Number two- Eve is a bit too big for it's player base. With so many systems, plexes, worm holes, and such- that there is no real limit to resources. There is no competition either. Even in low or null, there just isn't much reason to fight for resources. You can simply jump a couple systems over and probably find a local that's been empty all day. If someone can flips you in high sec, there are probably a dozen more belts right there, and a dozen in every system around you. Fight? Just move on. Number three- The grind to jump clones. When they say 'never fly what you can't afford to lose', what that means isn't ships (those last seconds sometimes) but jump clones. The single biggest hurdle to jumping into even small time PvP- is being able to put your implant clone on ice. But this grind is just crazy. Getting standing is universally called 'Grinding' for good reason! It's a chore, not an adventure. I know people like to shoot pods- but then don't be surprised when so many people don't want PvP- not because it's not cool and all- but because they didn't want to grind boring PvE just to get a clone so they can enjoy PvP. Number four- To the blob FC, goes the spoils- if you even find a target. These forums are a testament to the lackluster PvP experience once you do venture out of Empire. Targets can be few and far between, or just a blob that's bigger than yours. There is always a fear of being just too low SP to 'make it' out there- which sometimes, sadly, can be true. Lastly, five- Sorry if it stings- but the people out there can be the biggest reason not to go. It's easier to be a casual player in high sec. Out in null, you find a lot more of the people that run a bunch of accounts and a platoon of alts. I've honestly seen 20 ship fleets that were a few dudes and their alts far more often than 20 actual players in a fleet. Null, at least in my limited experience was either all end game level toons, or low SP toons hoping for better rewards for their increased risk. Not many 'middling' toons.
Danny John-Peter The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 38	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:16:00 - [164] - Quote Personally I love null, it all comes down to where you live and who you join. Lots of small to mid size gang PVP where I am, I have been in CVA for two months+ and I havent been in a single blob fest, its not really that common, as for all these valuable moons you speak of, lol moons & Providence. No there isn't a ship replacement programme, but 13 mil per tick on sansha hubs means making money aint hard, got Nightmare BPC, Slave Gamma, 21st Tier Tag, and TS LAR drops this weeked too Thats More than a bil right there, for not much time investment. Its all up to what you want, but CTAs are not lag fests round here, and our Alliance CEO is a very personable.
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 303	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:18:00 - [165] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Still not getting it. Seriously, take off your tinfoilhat already and eat your damn anti-bitter pill. nope not getting it obvious two completely different and conflicting views I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 22	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:19:00 - [166] - Quote pussnheels wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Instead we get players like you constantly bleating about how the big bad goons touched you. Scaring potential players into staying in those ridiculous npc corps, playing solo for 6 months and get bored shitless by the 10% of the game they actually experience. I know for a fact thats what happens because its what happened to me in my first year of playing and I left. Granted I came back and found a good corp to hang around in with other players until i realised i wanted more pvp. Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game. That is your view on the game My view is that CCP created this game with 3 distinctive areas each with their own different playingstyles Your saying highsec dwellers only participate in 10% of the game , same can be said about nullsec dwellers who probavbly are using less than 5% of the game , that is if you include counting the plexes you run in between blobs Granted finding the right and a good corp is essential to enjoy the game fullest , but why then did CCP create a whole player driven economy when this game is only about pvp and nullsec like you say Should be really easy just to delete all high sec industry , you get rid of all those annoying miners / industry characters and lets do away with all lvl2 lvl 3 and lvl 4 missions move them to low sec and npc nullsec no more npc corp missionrunners hooorah Now we got rid of all those carebears whinners , ultimate win for all those hardcore pvp only idiots and what next , you really think CCP can support and keep expanding this game when they just lost 80 % of their subscribers Whoever said industry is pve? Industry is pvp in it's own right. The way I see it, hisec is the training grounds, it lets you get a feel for the game. Nullsec is pretty much the end game, an end game you can jump into at any given time at any given skill level you just gotta have the right friends and the right help/team work. There's plenty of industry for people to do out here, the scales just a little larger. Who ever said I'm pvp only? Granted like i said there's only so much killing npc's i can do. But I like the occasional plex and I wanna have a go at incursions. Between blobs, though? Bollocks! Small roaming gang warfare's where it's at. Large fleets are equally as awesome if just for the scale of them... Its not like hisec should be deleted, its just there should be less stagnation in it and lot more movement outwards.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:34:00 - [167] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Or you could just leave your tinfoil hat at the door... Sorry I've invested a lot in Tinfoil hat production, need to keep the market on it's toes you know YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 303	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:45:00 - [168] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Whoever said industry is pve? Industry is pvp in it's own right. The way I see it, hisec is the training grounds, it lets you get a feel for the game. Nullsec is pretty much the end game, an end game you can jump into at any given time at any given skill level you just gotta have the right friends and the right help/team work. There's plenty of industry for people to do out here, the scales just a little larger. Who ever said I'm pvp only? Granted like i said there's only so much killing npc's i can do. But I like the occasional plex and I wanna have a go at incursions. Between blobs, though? Bollocks! Small roaming gang warfare's where it's at. Large fleets are equally as awesome if just for the scale of them... People forget this is a pvp orientated game, has been from the start. Hence the whole non-consentive pvp thing. PVP isnt limited to blowing eachother up either. If it's undisturbed, minimal risk pve you want I suggest you find another game. But its not like hisec should be deleted, its just there should be much less stagnation in it and lot more movement outwards. p.s. in order to do that risk/reward needs to be changed. People in hisec can keep their level 4s, just provide more incentive for the potentially adventurous to move out into low/null and wormhole space. Some good valid points you made there Indeed EVE is a pvp orientated game i fully agree , so is economy in this game but why draw the line there , industry and mining are just as competitive as selling and buying or blowing up other persons ships ...right What this game really needs is a revival of nullsec industry beyond moongoo, Not only will nullsec alliances attract more and better recruits/members , most of them more than willing to take up arms to protect their precious favorite mining systems , , overall it will make nullsec alliances less dependable on high sec and give more opportunity to fight over rescources it will also enforce the risk vs reward factor But alot of things need to change for that not only gamemechanics but also and certainly mentallity I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:46:00 - [169] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence. I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again. True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible That's your stated purpose isn't it? Are you actually thinking that because we're goons (and we're not just goons, we're the entire CFC), we're supposed to go out and make our own lives as miserable as possible? Yeah, I can't explain this to you, can I? As we are discusing bots, I think you have made things perfectly clear, no need for any further explanation I feel No, we were discussing making the lives of eachother internally within the CFC more of a grind (there are more than enough bitchfights and whines internally to sort out if we're not going to add even more work every time some **** shoots another **. Report the **** and be done with it, let CCP fulfill their end of the bargain) vs griefing everyone who aren't our friends. Everyone but our friends sounds just a tad more interesting. But, what exactly do you think I do in my day to day life in EVE?
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:50:00 - [170] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: But, what exactly do you think I do in my day to day life in EVE? Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Jafit McJafitson Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 179	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:51:00 - [171] - Quote Shoot blues erreyday
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:55:00 - [172] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion. So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it?
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 12:56:00 - [173] - Quote Jafit McJafitson wrote: Shoot blues erreyday Shoot vile rat, tell everyone. Wait, no, that's not the right order.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 22	Posted - 2012.01.23 13:02:00 - [174] - Quote pussnheels wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Whoever said industry is pve? Industry is pvp in it's own right. The way I see it, hisec is the training grounds, it lets you get a feel for the game. Nullsec is pretty much the end game, an end game you can jump into at any given time at any given skill level you just gotta have the right friends and the right help/team work. There's plenty of industry for people to do out here, the scales just a little larger. Who ever said I'm pvp only? Granted like i said there's only so much killing npc's i can do. But I like the occasional plex and I wanna have a go at incursions. Between blobs, though? Bollocks! Small roaming gang warfare's where it's at. Large fleets are equally as awesome if just for the scale of them... People forget this is a pvp orientated game, has been from the start. Hence the whole non-consentive pvp thing. PVP isnt limited to blowing eachother up either. If it's undisturbed, minimal risk pve you want I suggest you find another game. But its not like hisec should be deleted, its just there should be much less stagnation in it and lot more movement outwards. p.s. in order to do that risk/reward needs to be changed. People in hisec can keep their level 4s, just provide more incentive for the potentially adventurous to move out into low/null and wormhole space. Some good valid points you made there Indeed EVE is a pvp orientated game i fully agree , so is economy in this game but why draw the line there , industry and mining are just as competitive as selling and buying or blowing up other persons ships ...right What this game really needs is a revival of nullsec industry beyond moongoo, Not only will nullsec alliances attract more and better recruits/members , most of them more than willing to take up arms to protect their precious favorite mining systems , , overall it will make nullsec alliances less dependable on high sec and give more opportunity to fight over rescources it will also enforce the risk vs reward factor But alot of things need to change for that not only gamemechanics but also and certainly mentallity Exactly! That's why most players complain about high sec and its players. Both sides need improvement from ccp to make them more dynamic an in turn fun. One of the major problems with it at the moment and one of the heated is subjects is incursions. People are going bat ** cus their easy source of relatively safe isk, by relatively safe i mean not having to constantly watch your back. I dont mind having to watch my back, but it kind of pisses on my bonfire when someones making more without that risk. But then again, im not saying incursions in themselves are bad, theyre a brilliant idea in making people work together for more fun and reward and I reckon is probably one of the better ways of getting people into gang pvp and the fundamentals that go with it. I.E. "if shooting red crosses is this much fun with a team, then i wonder what it's like when someones flying that ship". But that kind of failed when it became a grind for easy isk. This game has always been, greater risk greater reward. Take that risk with a team and it multiplies. The reward isnt always isk either... Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote:** Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion. So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it? He's gotta be trolling, no way someones that stupid/ignorant/concieted...
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 221	Posted - 2012.01.23 13:02:00 - [175] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion. So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it? No it's a joke mate, lighten up, as I say what you actually occupy your ingame time doing is hardley relevant to the disscusion. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 22	Posted - 2012.01.23 13:04:00 - [176] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion. So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it? No it's a joke mate, lighten up, as I say what you actually occupy your ingame time doing is hardley relevant to the disscusion. It kind of is though, the miss information about what happens in null is what keeps people out of it, hence this topic.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 535	Posted - 2012.01.23 13:15:00 - [177] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion. So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it? No it's a joke mate, lighten up, as I say what you actually occupy your ingame time doing is hardley relevant to the disscusion. You say "it's just a joke", but have you seen how many people seem to unironically angrypost about how many bots there are in null, how everyone there is just botting etc? Nevermind that if you're going to go for steady income, botting L4s would probably be better as you've got the protection of hisec (which isn't absolute, no, but unless you're ******** and pimp out your ride, you'll be fine. Or you've attracted someone's anger. vOv), and a steady supply of predictable and farmable missions. And logistics won't suck as much either, it's much easier to get a new ship or more missiles etc.
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Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 363	Posted - 2012.01.23 16:12:00 - [180] - Quote Jafit McJafitson wrote: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 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Rune Scorpio Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade 0	Posted - 2012.01.23 17:09:00 - [181] - Quote Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 240	Posted - 2012.01.23 17:18:00 - [182] - Quote Rune Scorpio wrote: Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. Why when we can run incursions instead?
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 542	Posted - 2012.01.23 17:19:00 - [183] - Quote Rune Scorpio wrote: Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. This is a well thought out and well argumented proposal, I'll get on it right away.
Niko Takahashi United Starbase Systems 27	Posted - 2012.01.23 17:30:00 - [184] - Quote Kessiaan wrote: Nullsec is hard to get into. My first experience with nullsec was in my mining days. We set up a POS in a dead-end system we rented, and we were too scared of OMG BUBBLES to actually leave the system. And when hostiles did show up and we actually tried to fight we'd get annihilated because we had no idea what we were doing (this was back when nano gangs were untouchable by anything except another nano gang). I don't even remember where we were, I was such a noob then :D. It was terrible and I came back to highsec. Gave up mining, got into FW, got into pirating. Lived in lowsec for a while. My second experience was with ATLAS down in Omist. It was pretty much what the OP described. Doesn't help that Bobby was a giant **** either. I hated it, swore off sov. warfare forever, and went back to lowsec. My current experience is in Stain NPC nullsec with my current corp and I love it. It's pretty much just like lowsec only with much better pve options, no sentry guns (which just get in the way in lowsec after your sec. status drops under -5), stealth bombers can actually do something useful, and good intel channels so I don't wind up in a bubble I don't want to be in. Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both. This NPC Null ft but since I have a very limited time now I stay in high and carebear
Skorpynekomimi E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector 94	Posted - 2012.01.23 17:38:00 - [185] - Quote I'm currently in highsec because: - I have no ******* time to EVE. Work, sleep, xbox time. There's a few hours in between. Not really enough to commit to null right now. - Null is dangerous and complex. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't like knowing what I'm doing, especially when my medical clone is down in highsec in case I get podded while picking up my lowsec PI. - Training up an alt means I need to be able to pick up skillbooks quickly, and use my market skills to sell off any I pick up in error. - Politics. My stuff went missing due to a big move. My JC is a good few jumps out from my alliance's sov space. NULL jumps, where I might run into a bubble or gatecamp. - Standings grind for PoS anchoring. Since my alliance is mostly on a different schedule to me, and large enough that I have no hope in hell of getting standings, I need my alt to keep a PoS open for my industrial stuff.
Rune Scorpio Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade 1	Posted - 2012.01.23 19:20:00 - [186] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Rune Scorpio wrote: Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. Why when we can run incursions instead? Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things. Though I guess the people who benefit from that nonsense of course will b***h and moan about that getting nerfed or removed. Who wants to play a game thats balanced? One that noobs can join and say oh wow the economy isnt completely unbalanced to the large alliances that dont have to grind for isk. Lets just let the tech moon alliances sit there and have enough isk every month they can buy 8000+ plex for filling their pos with fuel.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 543	Posted - 2012.01.23 19:23:00 - [187] - Quote Rune Scorpio wrote: Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things. Haven't been outside of hisec much, then, have you?
Rune Scorpio Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade 1	Posted - 2012.01.23 19:27:00 - [188] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Rune Scorpio wrote: Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things. Haven't been outside of hisec much, then, have you? yeah actually. I have alts in wormhole space, null and lowsec. Null happens to be the worst cus its 100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes. But what do I know?
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 240	Posted - 2012.01.23 19:39:00 - [189] - Quote Rune Scorpio wrote: what do I know? you kind of answered that question already when you accused a guy from Cascade Imminent of being rich off tech moon income haven't been out of hisec much
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 543	Posted - 2012.01.23 19:49:00 - [190] - Quote Rune Scorpio wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Rune Scorpio wrote: Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things. Haven't been outside of hisec much, then, have you? yeah actually. I have alts in wormhole space, null and lowsec. Null happens to be the worst cus its 100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes. But what do I know? Funny, I'm not seeing "100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes". In fact, I'm having problems seeing any place where there are more than 30 in total outside of hisec. Granted, nullsec is looking more lively than pre-crucible, but it's still no spring chicken. As for the whole "logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month", you do realize that it's a task which doesn't end in them having tech to swim in, yes? It's something they do for the greater good, and is but a cog in the whole nullsec empire machine at least I call home.
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 363	Posted - 2012.01.23 19:55:00 - [191] - Quote but guys tech moons are literally isk per month no effort or anything required, also everyone can have all of them because sharing = caring
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 727	Posted - 2012.01.23 19:57:00 - [192] - Quote Go then, there are other MMO's than these Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Rune Scorpio Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade 2	Posted - 2012.01.23 20:04:00 - [193] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Funny, I'm not seeing "100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes". In fact, I'm having problems seeing any place where there are more than 30 in total outside of hisec. Granted, nullsec is looking more lively than pre-crucible, but it's still no spring chicken.. Yeah good thing they removed the exploration nerf so people that want to actually play eve have a reason to return to nullsec right? Now that the isk for running sites can once again compare to people holding tech moons.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 240	Posted - 2012.01.23 20:11:00 - [194] - Quote Rune Scorpio wrote: Yeah good thing they removed the exploration nerf so people that want to actually play eve have a reason to return to nullsec right? Now that the isk for running sites can once again compare to people holding tech moons. Why when we can run incursions instead?
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 543	Posted - 2012.01.23 20:16:00 - [195] - Quote Rune Scorpio wrote: Yeah good thing they removed the exploration nerf so people that want to actually play eve have a reason to return to nullsec right? Now that the isk for running sites can once again compare to people holding tech moons. It is? I wouldn't know, I don't rat.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 520	Posted - 2012.01.23 20:38:00 - [196] - Quote Herold Oldtimer wrote: This post derailed pretty quickly didn't it. I choose high-sec because that is what I have time for. interestingly, i choose nullsec because thats what I have time for. Income is higher, so I only have to rat every couple weeks or so, and its a lot easier to find people to shoot. My time is much more efficient.
saltrock0000 Obsessive Compulsive Disasters 27	Posted - 2012.01.23 22:13:00 - [197] - Quote Rune Scorpio wrote: Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. Now this is a very good point indeed!!!
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 528	Posted - 2012.01.23 22:25:00 - [198] - Quote Note: haven't even read the OP, just the title. I live in HS because that is where my corp is and I don't think a Null corp would appreciate my regular 2-3month periods of unsubbed. And, since I have fun, why does it matter. Maybe when I have my own income and get bored with HS, I'll move to low/null.
Ptraci StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound. 309	Posted - 2012.01.23 22:30:00 - [199] - Quote saltrock0000 wrote: This is a game people should paly it for fun Definitions of fun vary from person to person. Some people have fun telling other people what to do.
CaptainFalcon07 Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck 4	Posted - 2012.01.23 23:00:00 - [200] - Quote I've been to nullsec for a while, but never really found it particularly fun. PVP involves massive blobs with soul-crushing lag. Most fleet fights involve locking primary and secondary, then press F1 and watch the targets or you get blown up. It becomes even more boring when you have turn off the effects just to mitigate the lag. It was rather hard to sustain pvp if your alliance didn't reinburse you or too a long time to do so. I found that I barely barely broke even with the isk i made ratting and the ships I've lost. I just found the nullsec experience rather boring, its just not for me. I'm sure there are people who do enjoy it. I live in a Wormhole now, no ridiculous blue coalitions, no local, high risk but high reward, and takes lots of effort to do things but its worth it.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 544	Posted - 2012.01.23 23:03:00 - [201] - Quote CaptainFalcon07 wrote: I've been to nullsec for a while, but never really found it particularly fun. PVP involves massive blobs with soul-crushing lag. They've fixed this. CaptainFalcon07 wrote: It becomes even more boring when you have turn off the effects just to mitigate the lag. That's something you can fix with a better computer.
Caldari Acolyte Perkone Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.01.24 00:33:00 - [202] - Quote saltrock0000 wrote: Rune Scorpio wrote: Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too. Now this is a very good point indeed!!! Lol RMTers would have a **** fit, you might be on to something there.
Holy One SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353 160	Posted - 2012.01.24 00:54:00 - [203] - Quote The number one reason people stay in high sec is because the logistics of living in null sec when not in a blob alliance are too time consuming and too expensive to be worth the hassle.
Nephilius Grey Legionaires 294	Posted - 2012.01.24 01:06:00 - [204] - Quote I choose Hisec because it fits how I want to play the game. I can be pretty antisocial and sometimes I just don't want to bother others or be bothered. I can do what I want, how I want. I'm not beholden to anyone or anything, I can log in and out when I please. At my age, it's my type of sandbox. If people want to think less of me for it, that's fine, I really don't care at all. That's their problem, not mine. But as soon as I have to start playing another way, I just won't play at all. It's my sub money, I'll decide how to use it. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt.
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 152	Posted - 2012.01.24 01:21:00 - [205] - Quote Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Asuri Kinnes wrote: No. I mean the people (guys, guys playing gals and those few women) who've been out there, doing their thing, whatever it is, for the last two, three, four, 9 years? Some with the same groups/friends they've been with for most of a decade? Those guys. So how are those guys making highsec players overpopulate highsec, as Tarryn claims? As for deep-rooted null players, you'd be surprised how adaptive they can be when it comes to acquiring income on PvE alts so that they can pursue their grudges in sov-0.0 (because most people who moved to null to make money left long ago). I don't think she/he/it meant that 0.0 players (per se) weremaking hi-sec'rs stay in hi-sec, just that the mechanics of WH's and NPC Null are more conducive (atm - change is in the air) to various player groups who have (or perceive themselves to have) no time / inclination / interest in Sov-Null. As for the resourcefulness of Null-Sec'rs - I'm already aware of it. Having been on the receiving end of some of that resourcefulness before... When I lived full time in Hi-Sec, it was totally about building skills (NOT SP!) and relationships with other players. Since late '08 or early '09 I haven't lived full time in hi-sec. Always surprises me when I go through a gate and there's 20 people there I can't shoot. Almost lost a Zealot that way once. to concord... /facepalm Wormholes: The NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
xxanjoahir Hedion University Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.01.24 01:32:00 - [206] - Quote I left null sec becuase: Blue list Too many "I win" buttons. Convienience of being able to fit ships properly a few jumps away in high sec Time ( i mean i move freighter loads around in high sec and when RL dictates a few spare hours can do it in my time - null sec you cant do this) Lag Blob No real sandbox - its about numbers Lost interest Apparently its risky being in null sec but in reality Intel alarm sounds and everyone docks, runs to pos, logs off, or gets a fleet together that blots out the sun. Lastly just tired of the whole high sec // low sec // null sec arguement its a freakin game and just becuase your Real life time determines your game style shouldnt mean you are condemned to grinding becuase of "time versus reward".... that arguement in my opinion is broken especially when you come to moon income.
Montevius Williams Eclipse Industrial Inc 202	Posted - 2012.01.24 01:35:00 - [207] - Quote Tippia wrote: So, basically, people choose highsec because they don't know any better? Sounds reasonableGÇª I dont think thats what they said.
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 163	Posted - 2012.01.24 12:04:00 - [208] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due to hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Instead we get players like you constantly bleating about how the big bad goons touched you. Scaring potential players into staying in those ridiculous npc corps, playing solo for 6 months and getting bored shitless by the 10% of the game they actually experience. I know for a fact thats what happens because its what happened to me in my first year of playing and I left. Granted I came back and found a good corp to hang around in with other players until i realised i wanted more pvp. Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game. How's that Kool-Aid taste, mate? There are so many things so wrong with this I don't even know where to start--are you really that blinkered? No, this game is not sov-dullsec. Not even close. NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 27	Posted - 2012.01.24 12:18:00 - [209] - Quote Read the first part of the second sentence. The game ccp sellsis the whole null sec empire building system, it's what they advertise a lot. I'm not denying that lowsec, npc null, and wh space arent part of the sand box. I was just trying to get across that hisec is probably the least sandboxy than most of them. A lot of the things ccp do to improve the game seems to be motivated by getting people into pvp, and getting people out of hisec. Im just pointing out my observations. The centre piece to that seems to be sov null... Granted, alliances/corps dont need to own sov to own space.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1663	Posted - 2012.01.24 12:24:00 - [210] - Quote xxanjoahir wrote: Time ( i mean i move freighter loads around in high sec and when RL dictates a few spare hours can do it in my time - null sec you cant do this) yeah moving things around in nullsec is very hard fills a carrier/jf/rorqual, undocks, jumps to a cyno
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1663	Posted - 2012.01.24 12:28:00 - [211] - Quote the whole "nullsec requires significantly more individual time investment than highsec" boat sailed so long ago that it's completed its second world tour, seriously
Chopper Rollins Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 102	Posted - 2012.01.24 12:32:00 - [212] - Quote pussnheels wrote: Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs I am so sick and tired of you socalled nullsec elitist who think everything done by CCP is for them alone and that people shoulkd play this game your way and anybody thinking otherwise should leave or if they don't leave voluntarry , grief them out of the game and what is most hypocrite of all , you ullsec assholes are the first to cry because they rarely find new members these days anymore and can't understand why people refuse to go to nullsec You ve done nothing out there except complaining about high sec and the lack of things to do or to explore , there is plenty to do out there , you nullsec assholes are just too blind and too lazy or stupid to see it My experience of null, both npc and sov, contradicts this entirely. I mean every sentence, the opposite is true. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Daniel Whateley Rookies Empire Rookie Empire 0	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:19:00 - [213] - Quote My experience of null, both npc and sov, contradicts this entirely. I mean every sentence, the opposite is true. [/quote] i double quote your quote lol, has anyone ever heard a fleet on comms in null sec ? some serious stuff goes on in null sec, some have no idea the experience or how many ibis's, shuttles, faction frigates, cloaky-interdiction nullified tengu's go through that we get, how many times we strengthen our plan of keeping neutrals out i have no idea, it becomes repetitive, we lose a lot more ships than most high sec people know of, just to perfect not losing the next one, people in high sec are missing out, and just repeating their missions, how many times have you done worlds collide which i know everyone dreads, get out more and try some null sec pvp whether it solo or with a small group of 3 other friends, you will learn so much, and probably even find better perfections to doing missions or whatever you usually do.
March rabbit Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx 118	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:27:00 - [214] - Quote Rune Scorpio wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Rune Scorpio wrote: Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things. Haven't been outside of hisec much, then, have you? yeah actually. I have alts in wormhole space, null and lowsec. Null happens to be the worst cus its 100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes. But what do I know? being in 0.0 for second year i have seen only 1 hurricane here. 100+ Tempest fleet, 100+ tengu/Rokh fleets.... But hurricanes? seems like you right: what do you know?
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 164	Posted - 2012.01.24 22:28:00 - [215] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Read the first part of the second sentence. The game ccp sellsis the whole null sec empire building system, it's what they advertise a lot. Because mindlessly following adverts with all the other lemmings is so sand-box like I note that the 20-30 minutes of black-screening that I and my old 00TAP/APCOM mates (/sadface--I miss acting like a drunk six-year-old on TS with you guys) experienced repeatedly last time I was out there is conspicuously absent from that brillant "Fleet fights in nullsec = teh awsomesauce!!!11!" trailer for that last dullsec-oriented expansion, funnily enough. Aruken Marr wrote: I'm not denying that lowsec, npc null, and wh space arent part of the sand box. Yes, you are. Your homework for tonight is to learn which logical fallacy/ies you're using to do so, by the way. Aruken Marr wrote: I was just trying to get across that hisec is probably the least sandboxy than most of them. A lot of the things ccp do to improve the game seems to be motivated by getting people into pvp, and getting people out of hisec. Im just pointing out my observations. The centre piece to that seems to be sov null... And sov-dullsec in its' Dominion-to-present incarnation is so dynamic, vibrant, and sand-boxy! Gods, give me a break, already... There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. No, the centre-piece is not sov-null for the vast majority of this game's paying subscribers and never will be--***** deal with it, and take your thinly-disguised over-entitled crying somewhere else. Oh, and it helps to not rely on some self-important paranoid kid-ult spamming Alliance mail with "GET IN MAH 3.00am CTA's OR GET THE OUT!!!" every day, you actually have to go out and look for it yourself--IE, play your own game and use your brain, and not rely having blob-v-blob "PvP" handed to you by RMT'ing scum who think they're entitled to ***** own your ass. Aruken Marr wrote: Granted, alliances/corps dont need to own sov to own space. Thank you, you just proved my point. Next! NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
Ehn Roh Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:02:00 - [216] - Quote Andski wrote: the whole "nullsec requires significantly more individual time investment than highsec" boat sailed so long ago that it's completed its second world tour, seriously It doesn't take more time, it simply takes more planning and forethought, and failing to do so cuts into the instant gratification factor. That's the part not everyone is willing to deal with, and if that's how they want to play, fine. It never ceases to amaze me how many people get the idea to go zooming off into nullsec or into some crap hole 12 jumps into lowsec with the ship on their back, no spare modules, and no way to produce anything. Every time they get a setback they have to run back to hisec with their tails between their legs.
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 739	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:08:00 - [217] - Quote Lyrrashae wrote: And sov-dullsec in its' Dominion-to-present incarnation is so dynamic, vibrant, and sand-boxy! Gods, give me a break, already... There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. No, the centre-piece is not sov-null for the vast majority of this game's paying subscribers and never will be--***** deal with it, and take your thinly-disguised over-entitled crying somewhere else. Oh, and it helps to not rely on some self-important paranoid kid-ult spamming Alliance mail with "GET IN MAH 3.00am CTA's OR GET THE OUT!!!" every day, you actually have to go out and look for it yourself--IE, play your own game and use your brain, and not rely having blob-v-blob "PvP" handed to you by RMT'ing scum who think they're entitled to ***** own your ass. I love how bitter you are about everything NullSec/Goons/Whatever.. Every 0.0 alliance occasionally has alarmclock ops, it happens, and its usually of some strategic asset that is important to alliance (or enemy) infrastructure; is it boring, yes; is it necessary, absolutely. Other then that, I've never been even convo'd about not going on CTA's and I'm sure I've missed over 200 in the last 2 months, we're just a busy coalition and we understand that RL comes first. Half the people online in EvE at any given time are either a Null Sec toon, or the alt of a Null Sec toon; you say that Empire dwellers are the majority in this game, great, open your alliances tab, go to rankings, and find me a empire alliance in the top 10 by total members. You really need to just wipe your tears off your face, pull your skirt down, and stop crying already. If you spent as much time adapting to the game and learning the intricate 'mechanics' of everywhere NOT empire, you might actually enjoy playing EvE.. a little; of course this means finding people that can tolerate you. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 550	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:17:00 - [218] - Quote Lyrrashae wrote: And sov-dullsec in its' Dominion-to-present incarnation is so dynamic, vibrant, and sand-boxy! Gods, give me a break, already... There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. No, the centre-piece is not sov-null for the vast majority of this game's paying subscribers and never will be--***** deal with it, and take your thinly-disguised over-entitled crying somewhere else. The fact is that while dominion's SOV system sucks ass through a broken straw, what CCP has continually advertised has been the big epic fights, and that's what draws the most people here. Not mining or missioning or whatever, but the big fights, the wars, the year-long grudges. Lyrrashae wrote: Oh, and it helps to not rely on some self-important paranoid kid-ult spamming Alliance mail with "GET IN MAH 3.00am CTA's OR GET THE OUT!!!" every day Funny, I don't get any of that. I've been in a few alliances that were like that, and I left. vOv Lyrrashae wrote: you actually have to go out and look for it yourself--IE, play your own game and use your brain, and not rely having blob-v-blob "PvP" handed to you by RMT'ing scum who think they're entitled to ***** own your ass. You really, really need to take an anti-bitter pill, because holy ** on a stick, that's some lemony bitter sperg right there. Again, not every corp or alliance is that way, in fact we pride ourselves on not being that way, and it seems to work pretty well for us. Aruken Marr wrote:** Granted, alliances/corps dont need to own sov to own space. I keep thinking how it would be to go back to the olden days when SOV weren't prescriptive. Oh well. vOv
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 28	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:19:00 - [219] - Quote Aah fml... Lyrrashae wrote: Because mindlessly following adverts with all the other lemmings is so sand-box like I note that the 20-30 minutes of black-screening that I and my old 00TAP/APCOM mates (/sadface--I miss acting like a drunk six-year-old on TS with you guys) experienced repeatedly last time I was out there is conspicuously absent from that brillant "Fleet fights in nullsec = teh awsomesauce!!!11!" trailer for that last dullsec-oriented expansion, funnily enough. Okay maybe youre not understanding me. People are pissed off that ccp apparently shows favouritism towards null sec alliances (i.e. moon goo whines, null sec majority csm etc etc). Now what I'm say is "should they be surprised?" Lyrrashae wrote: Yes, you are. Your homework for tonight is to learn which logical fallacy/ies you're using to do so, by the way. So youre telling me that neglect to mention lowsec, npc null and wh space in defence of sov null is is saying they arent part of the sandbox? Ok maybe "sov null is this game" was a little too... far >_>. Lyrrashae wrote: And sov-dullsec in its' Dominion-to-present incarnation is so dynamic, vibrant, and sand-boxy! Gods, give me a break, already... There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. No, the centre-piece is not sov-null for the vast majority of this game's paying subscribers and never will be--***** deal with it, and take your thinly-disguised over-entitled crying somewhere else. Mate, who's crying? hisec pvp is few and far between and from what ive seen (other than rvb) is just wardecs on carebears... Tbf, Im pretty content with the state of my game in null right now. More players would make it better. But when people start chatting like the op I cant help but feel the need to point out that its not always the case. Lyrrashae wrote: Oh, and it helps to not rely on some self-important paranoid kid-ult spamming Alliance mail with "GET IN MAH 3.00am CTA's OR GET THE OUT!!!" every day, you actually have to go out and look for it yourself--IE, play your own game and use your brain, and not rely having blob-v-blob "PvP" handed to you by RMT'ing scum who think they're entitled to ***** own your ass. No. Just no. I dont know what your history with this sov null is, but I'm telling you thats not what its like for me and my mates...
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1687	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:32:00 - [220] - Quote Lyrrashae wrote: There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. Yes, using invulnerable neutral RR alts is certainly the pinnacle of PvP in this game.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 242	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:37:00 - [221] - Quote Andski wrote: Lyrrashae wrote: There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. Yes, using invulnerable neutral RR alts is certainly the pinnacle of PvP in this game. sounds like one those goonie dullbears has never felt the heartthumping experience of flipping a can, unknowing if the guy in his raven will try to do anything about it. Never gone on a daring salvage raid, never felt the satisfaction of searching system after system and finally find newbies inexperienced enough to not know how to dodge wardecs
Nephilius Grey Legionaires 299	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:46:00 - [222] - Quote Saying that the only thing to do is what's advertised is a logical fallacy. It's like saying that I'll become a uber-vet because the kid from Superbad was one by the end of the Modern Warfare 3 commercial (incidentally, I bought that game to play the single player and see the story to completion, not for the multiplayer). It's like saying that Chuck Norris will kick your arse in WoW if you log in and play. And how many movie have had their previews cleverly edited in an attempt to draw you in, thinking the entire movie is as funny as the previews themselves. It's marketing, pure and simple. It is NOT the Be All and End All of the game. Hell, I started playing because my buddy told me about corps, that you can build ships and stuff, and the interceptors. Sure, PvP was mentioned, along with missioning and mining, but you get my point. And as for the point that the Goon made about how hard it ISN'T to move stuff about, from Nulsec to Hisec, it's not hard at all when you own pretty much every system out there on the west side, most especially the EC to Torrinos gate. At that point, you pretty much have to be blind, deaf and dumb to get yourself in a sticky situation. Not everyone is so privileged. That's the point that needs to be considered...not the Uber-corp, but the little guy who tries to make headways into Nulsec, only to find it a logistical nightmare. Those are the ones who go back to Hisec. Not everyone wants to be a number in a mega-corp. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt.
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 745	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:47:00 - [223] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: sounds like one those goonie dullbears has never felt the heartthumping experience of flipping a can, unknowing if the guy in his raven will try to do anything about it. Never gone on a daring salvage raid, never felt the satisfaction of searching system after system and finally find newbies inexperienced enough to not know how to dodge wardecs Nah we're too busy crashing fleets of several hundred Maelstroms into Raiden... with mixed success... Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 1160	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:50:00 - [224] - Quote I play alone and like it. Except when needed to take down Sansha motherships. Could it be possible that I have ass burger syndrome?
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 745	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:52:00 - [225] - Quote Nephilius wrote: And as for the point that the Goon made about how hard it ISN'T to move stuff about, from Nulsec to Hisec, it's not hard at all when you own pretty much every system out there on the west side, most especially the EC to Torrinos gate. Right, because neutrals or reds never set up bubble camps in entrance systems; or find copies of our Jump bridge maps and exploit possible choke points, or get mad because we steamrolled their region, blew up 37 of their carriers and roam through the area seeing what they can kill... For me, these are the aspects that make Null fun, for most its :OMGSTAYINGINEMPIREFOREVA:. I like the added thrill of trying to get **** out of Null.. or by flying from whatever trade hub we currently don't have wardecs in back through lowsec and into entry Null. Risk = Fun. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 28	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:55:00 - [226] - Quote Nephilius wrote: Saying that the only thing to do is what's advertised is a logical fallacy. It's like saying that I'll become a uber-vet because the kid from Superbad was one by the end of the Modern Warfare 3 commercial (incidentally, I bought that game to play the single player and see the story to completion, not for the multiplayer). It's like saying that Chuck Norris will kick your arse in WoW if you log in and play. And how many movie have had their previews cleverly edited in an attempt to draw you in, thinking the entire movie is as funny as the previews themselves. It's marketing, pure and simple. It is NOT the Be All and End All of the game. Hell, I started playing because my buddy told me about corps, that you can build ships and stuff, and the interceptors. Sure, PvP was mentioned, along with missioning and mining, but you get my point. Listen. CCP sell EVE as PVP game. Their main focus to demonstrate said pvp at small->mid->large scale pvp in lawless space, where you aren't limited by concord and the sandbox is essentially amplified to its full potential. This, I feel, shows that have a focus for said lawless space in contrast with hisec space. Hence my point that why are people so pissed off that ccp seem to actively show this focus. Ya savee? edit- in responce to your last point: Null isnt limited to pvp combat, you can do anything else in the game there, its just riskier, and if its working right you get more isk/fun/immersion/experience/game. People dont seem to realise that.
Ganagati Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.25 00:59:00 - [227] - Quote I chose highsec despite being a primarily PvP player in MMOs and having chosen EVE for being a PvP game. Truth is, and I know most of the 0.0 players are going to eat this statement up- it really was too hardcore for me. >_> PvP in this game is a little more difficult to keep up with if you don't have a fat wallet, and I don't play enough or know the industrial sector well enough to have such. Every day I'd log on, I'd look for PvP. Sometimes I'd find it, sometimes I wouldn't. But whenever I'd lose a ship, it would set me back bigtime. Since I didn't have more than a couple hours a day to rat, it took a long time to rebuild my finances. The loss of a ratting ship would take me a week's playtime to get back at the rate I could play, and I was reduced to PvPing in cheapfleet style ships to keep afloat. EVE is fine the way it is, don't get me wrong. I wouldn't ask them to change any of it. But the most hardcore PvP game I ever played was Shadowbane, and the worst penalty you got for dying was the loss of your inventory (not equipped items) and damage to your equipped items (and if you didn't repair them, they would break after a few deaths. if you did- they would last a long time). Losing EVERYTHING eventually demotivated me out of 0.0. In highsec, however, it's another matter. I can now farm up the money I need and keep my missioning ship safe. All I have to do now is fund my pvp ships, so I have more money to put into them. I make decent money missioning, and a couple hours farming can fit me a really nice cane fit, so high/lowsec is where I'll be. And then, of course, there were the bubbles and blobs... lol
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 745	Posted - 2012.01.25 01:02:00 - [228] - Quote Ganagati wrote: And then, of course, there were the bubbles and blobs... lol Small Scale PvP has a place here... and Bubbles can be avoided, arn't really hard to mitigate. Nullsec does mean that if your one of those sit still and push f1 types, without moving- then you will pretty much always die. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator.
Caghji Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.01.25 02:05:00 - [229] - Quote Hmmm So goons got organised enough to take 60 tech moons if they did it through botting or other naughty ways then that is not good but if they did it (mainly) through offering an alternative alliance culture to attract the player assets to do it and to hold it then fair enough - if you think they abuse their player base....so what?! - this is eve - lots of nasties in it - its why i play it because i am faced with nasties i have to try to outwit - Your argument against goons seems to be "its not fair - they have managed to convince all these players to work really hard for them with little reward...such abusers....etc etc"...... honestly WTF?! this is EvE and that is exactly the hard end of what EvE is about - take other players for as much as you can. At the small ended end you scam and steal - at the higher end you offer your trust as you see a more profitable longer term goal in developing trust with certain players and complex investment plans I look at goons as red btw - I see there assets as targets - high end targets ofc of the game other than that - all the griefing and market manipulation they do - that's part of EvE - if its not against eula of course IMO PvE ratting is such a non-EvE thing to do - I know it won't change but PvP whether ship fighting, corp asset stealing or market manipulation is what EvE is about
Nephilius Grey Legionaires 299	Posted - 2012.01.25 02:06:00 - [230] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Nephilius wrote: Saying that the only thing to do is what's advertised is a logical fallacy. It's like saying that I'll become a uber-vet because the kid from Superbad was one by the end of the Modern Warfare 3 commercial (incidentally, I bought that game to play the single player and see the story to completion, not for the multiplayer). It's like saying that Chuck Norris will kick your arse in WoW if you log in and play. And how many movie have had their previews cleverly edited in an attempt to draw you in, thinking the entire movie is as funny as the previews themselves. It's marketing, pure and simple. It is NOT the Be All and End All of the game. Hell, I started playing because my buddy told me about corps, that you can build ships and stuff, and the interceptors. Sure, PvP was mentioned, along with missioning and mining, but you get my point. Listen. CCP sell EVE as a PVP game. Their main focus is to demonstrate said pvp at small->mid->large scale pvp in lawless space, where you aren't limited by concord and the sandbox is essentially amplified to its full potential. This, I feel, shows that they have a focus for said lawless space in contrast with hisec space. Hence my point that why are people so pissed off that ccp seem to actively show this focus? Ya savee? edit- in responce to your last point: Null isnt limited to pvp combat, you can do anything else in the game there, its just riskier, and if its working right you get more isk/fun/immersion/experience/game. People dont seem to realise that. Oh no, I got what was being said. But I think the point that I made that was missed was that ad is not the Be All, End All of the game. It's like the whole 'Eve is a PvP-centric game' argument. On the surface, it can be taken as true. Delve deeper and you realize that many of the components that are being touted as PvP-centric are present in many other MMOs as well. Thus you might as well call all MMO games PvP-centric. Just because only one facet of the game is being marketed, doesn't make all the other facets wrong. It just means that CCP is playing up to the strengths of that one thing you see. No taxation without representation.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 527	Posted - 2012.01.25 02:07:00 - [231] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I play alone and like it. Except when needed to take down Sansha motherships. Could it be possible that I have ass burger syndrome? If you ask, no. 90% of aspergers "sufferers" are just socially akward penguins making excuses.
Martyr Theos The NecroMonger Faith 45	Posted - 2012.01.25 02:12:00 - [232] - Quote Well Saltrock, you are close, but no cigar yet. You see the rabbit hole goes much deeper than you imagine. The slavery farming of your isk is much more thorough and coordinated by not only your Alliance heads, but CCP and it's investors as well. Who do you think gets the lion's share of the moongoo wealth? Who get the RL cash after it is sold through websites that are owned by third-parties who are owned by (Who ?) ? When you figure it all out, you will know why you should be playing an online "game" instead of wasting your time here.
NaturalBeast Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2012.01.25 02:57:00 - [233] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I play alone and like it. Except when needed to take down Sansha motherships. Could it be possible that I have ass burger syndrome? If you ask, no. 90% of aspergers "sufferers" are just socially akward penguins making excuses. Gotta love being told your socially ackward playing a game of pixels with make believe friends. You know those guys who pretend to like you? They don't. Sorry. True story bro.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 527	Posted - 2012.01.25 02:59:00 - [234] - Quote NaturalBeast wrote: Gotta love being told your socially ackward playing a game of pixels with make believe friends. You know those guys who pretend to like you? They don't. Sorry. True story bro.
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 96	Posted - 2012.01.25 03:01:00 - [235] - Quote ... need to add I fly in high-sec on patch days... no point in getting ganked when the logs might show nothing. I know I left a battleship in this station. Wait, you can put ships in Station Containers? ****! I just trashed them.
Sicex 30	Posted - 2012.01.25 03:08:00 - [236] - Quote Nephilius wrote: Oh no, I got what was being said. But I think the point that I made that was missed was that ad is not the Be All, End All of the game. It's like the whole 'Eve is a PvP-centric game' argument. On the surface, it can be taken as true. Delve deeper and you realize that many of the components that are being touted as PvP-centric are present in many other MMOs as well. Thus you might as well call all MMO games PvP-centric. When people (like myself and CCP) bring up the EVE is PVP-centric argument we really ARE referring to ALL aspects of gameplay within EVE. Delving deep into any aspect brings that single point to forefront.
Ganagati Perkone Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.01.25 03:11:00 - [237] - Quote EDIT: Every time I try to make the chart a link, it gives me an error parsing code on my post. 0_o wtf? I think 0.0 would become a little more popular if it were reduced in size. How many total systems are there in this game? I was told once, long ago, that highsec accounted for 1/3 of the total systems in the game. If that is true, according to the recent pie chart here: https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png , it would mean that 66% of players over 5m SP live in 1/3 of the game. >_> Wouldn't that make 0.0 seem... barren? If there were more contained areas where fighting was guaranteed to happen, or maybe even less overall area in 0.0, I'm pretty sure 0.0 players would QQ less about people playing how they want to in highsec. >_> Generally, people QQ for a reason and having come from 0.0, I can see their point. You can fly a good, long while without seeing another soul. Of course, any other suggestions that wouldn't involve slaughtering the size of the game or changing core aspects of its gameplay I'm sure would be much more appreciated than my sad attempt =D
Ganagati Perkone Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.01.25 03:19:00 - [238] - Quote Sicex wrote: Nephilius wrote: Oh no, I got what was being said. But I think the point that I made that was missed was that ad is not the Be All, End All of the game. It's like the whole 'Eve is a PvP-centric game' argument. On the surface, it can be taken as true. Delve deeper and you realize that many of the components that are being touted as PvP-centric are present in many other MMOs as well. Thus you might as well call all MMO games PvP-centric. When people (like myself and CCP) bring up the EVE is PVP-centric argument we really ARE referring to ALL aspects of gameplay within EVE. Delving deep into any aspect brings that single point to the forefront. In fact, the point we are all trying to make to the Bears is that if there is any single aspect of EVE gameplay that ISN'T PVP-centric... then THAT is the system that needs to change. We aren't forcing you to play the game the way we want you to, we are forcing you to wake up and realize that your concept of what this game is 'supposed to be' is flawed. It sounds like a lot like YOUR view of the game, or rather "what CCP wants", is flawed. This game is designed to be all inclusive, and dangerous in all aspects. It is not, however, designed to have every aspect of the game be centered on PvP. EVE is a game where PvP "can happen" anywhere. Highsec mining is not PvP-centric. It is possible for PvP to happen in that spot, but CCP has never stated that they intend for miners to be fighting for their lives against players the majority of their time, while mining during whatever times that fighting isn't happening. Trading is not PvP centric. PvP can happen while you trade, and sucks for you if it does, but the focus of trading it not killing other players. The focus of trading is around... trading. Manufacturing is the same. PI is the same. You are attempting to speak on behalf of CCP when either you have no idea what you are talking about, or you are not sufficiently reflecting with your words what you are trying to say.
Sicex 30	Posted - 2012.01.25 03:28:00 - [239] - Quote You do understand player versus player does NOT exclusively mean combat right? And you should go on the market forums and tell them they are not engaged in a player versus player activity. The markets are in some ways more cutthroat than actual combat.
ILikeMarkets Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.01.25 03:30:00 - [240] - Quote Sicex wrote: You do understand player versus player does NOT exclusively mean combat right? And you should go on the market forums and tell them they are not engaged in a player versus player activity. The markets are in some ways more cutthroat than actual combat. Mining was also mentioned in that post. And PI. Are those "cutthroat" and "PvP centric" as well?
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 97	Posted - 2012.01.25 03:32:00 - [241] - Quote ILikeMarkets wrote: Sicex wrote: You do understand player versus player does NOT exclusively mean combat right? And you should go on the market forums and tell them they are not engaged in a player versus player activity. The markets are in some ways more cutthroat than actual combat. Mining was also mentioned in that post. And PI. Are those "cutthroat" and "PvP centric" as well? Under the banner of market PVP.. yes. I know I left a battleship in this station. Wait, you can put ships in Station Containers? ****! I just trashed them.
ILikeMarkets Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.01.25 03:34:00 - [242] - Quote MadMuppet wrote: ILikeMarkets wrote: Sicex wrote: You do understand player versus player does NOT exclusively mean combat right? And you should go on the market forums and tell them they are not engaged in a player versus player activity. The markets are in some ways more cutthroat than actual combat. Mining was also mentioned in that post. And PI. Are those "cutthroat" and "PvP centric" as well? Under the banner of market PVP.. yes. Well hell, if only I would have known in game auction houses count as a PvP experience. I'm about to go light up everyone who ever called WoW a carebear game, as I'm as much of a beast on that AH as I am on this one! Buying and selling- the new face of Player vs Player combat!
I Like Characters Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.25 04:22:00 - [243] - Quote Caghji wrote: Sicex wrote: The presence of ganking and Hulkageddon is an attempt to bring the PVP focus of EVE into the realm of mining. Otherwise, miners only partake in PVP activities when they attempt to sell minerals on the market. harrassing miners by can flipping in hisec - and camping in low /null sec takes it to the next level That just makes PvP sound like a little boy running around the playground pulling on girl's pigtails. There's no challenge, no hope for a fight. Just running around screaming "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEE" and hoping someone takes you more seriously than you are. I wish can flippers could be forced to play in 0.0 for a month, dragged kicking and screaming for their safe little holes in highsec so they can experience a world where there are no calculated losses and they can't avoid additional risk. That would be nice...
Caghji Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.01.25 04:47:00 - [244] - Quote I Like Characters wrote: [quote=Caghji] That just makes PvP sound like a little boy running around the playground pulling on girl's pigtails. There's no challenge, no hope for a fight. Just running around screaming "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEE" and hoping someone takes you more seriously than you are. \o/ - finally - someone has understood what PvP is about - what else did you think PvP was about? - please don't say it was some sort of noble heroic cause ? - However you are wrong about challenge and no hope for a fight - there is plenty of hope for a fight - that miner very likely flies more than a hulk ....... Again people want 'fair.'.......why? - EvE is NOT suppose to be 'fair'.....................if you want goon's tech moons - then stop being a lazy *** - get off your fat backside - and get organising a more powerful alliance to take the moons from them - otherwise STFU and GTFO......... I don't like the goons - I don't like lazy blinkereed whingers - I don't like RTM scammers/botters I do like scheming and long term planning - and i respect my enemies who do the same.....
Hainnz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2012.01.25 04:58:00 - [245] - Quote Sicex wrote: You do understand player versus player does NOT exclusively mean combat right? And you should go on the market forums and tell them they are not engaged in a player versus player activity. The markets are in some ways more cutthroat than actual combat. The presence of ganking and Hulkageddon is an attempt to bring the PVP focus of EVE into the realm of mining. Otherwise, miners only partake in PVP activities when they attempt to sell minerals on the market. So which is it? Are miners PVPers or not? Using such a broad definition as you do, miners ARE engaging in PVP when they mine and sell their mins on the market. That's not good enough? Is it an affront that they might not think they are involved in PVP? Actually, that definition of PVP would include most everything people do playing a game like WOW. Those raiders killing Ragnaros (or w/e) aren't killing a scripted overgrown mob with 40 of their closest friends for the camaraderie and sublime challenge of it, they are doing it to be better than the other guilds and players doing the same (or failing). So if everyone in EVE is engaged in PVP or some sort or another, then what's the problem with miners or mission runners?
Sicex 33	Posted - 2012.01.25 12:29:00 - [246] - Quote Mining and mission running have their place as stepping stones and as others have stated miners are very much PVPers. The main beef is with the indignant attitude of said miners that somehow they are above ship to ship combat or that they should somehow be left alone from that. The truly broken element of the game is one of the only ones that violates the entire Risk Vs. Reward structure of EVE: Incursions. The attitude of the Incursion runners that they don't have to engage in PVP by any means is pretty alarming if that is what is being generated in the 'new breed' of players and new player communities. As I've said before, if Incursions are meant to be EVE's endgame - then by the end of EVE you had better be ready to fire your guns at someone. It's that non-combat, non-conflict mindset of an EVE player that needs to be squashed and the crux of the argument comes when the conflict-averse crowd starts changing CCP's game of conflict into Hello Kitty Island.
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 8	Posted - 2012.01.25 12:33:00 - [247] - Quote Tian Nu wrote: I choose highsec because CONCORD protect me. Lol
Prince Kobol 169	Posted - 2012.01.25 12:44:00 - [248] - Quote Umega wrote: I demand the title of this thread be changed to 'Assumption vs Truth'. Can lead a donkey to water, can't make the donkey drink. I would just like to point something out, this is completely untrue. You can make a donkey drink.. its just a matter of voltage
Laina Delapore Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 0	Posted - 2012.01.25 13:36:00 - [249] - Quote Someone in here was moaning about Goons delivering depressing propaganda. They clearly need to go and watch this
Hemmo Paskiainen Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 294	Posted - 2012.01.25 13:41:00 - [250] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Ok so here's the thing: A lot a people really shouldn't talk about things they know very little about. Im gonna go out on a limb here and say the op's opinion is a little skewed. 1. If you're being forced into joining cta's way past your bed time, either you need to grow some stones and learn to just say no or you're in the wrong alliance. I turn up to ops when I can for as long as I can (edit- and neither do I feel pressured when I cant attend). They're pretty damn fun most the time besides the glaring let downs. 2. Theres plenty of opportunities for pvp on smaller scales. Its not all just blobs. If it's all just blobs for you, I think youre doing it wrong. 3. Moon goo. I honestly couldn't give a flying ** about how much isk comes in through this. I'm getting my fun through regular pvp and I get reimbursed when I lose ships (granted they aren't totally ****** losses). I suck goon balls that's how you get access to all that tech isk. Some reimbursements are laid out so you actually profit from losing your ship in cta's as long as you've insured it. 4. I have enough time to make enough isk to pay for what I want. Granted im not massively rich never have been. Yet again I never understood the mentallity of amassing as many digits in my wallet as i can in a game. Isk's there to be spent unless youre saving up for something. 5. Its a lot more casual than what little Ms. Information up there would have you think. Any more, for any more? Fixed, tbh High Sec should be nerfed. Concord should get days off in a year to show high sec puppies there is a more fun aspect to the game. It is possible to live in null sec while only playing a few hours a week. Some ppl you just need to trow into the deep Edit: i hvnt been in high sec for over 3 yrs :p CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 29	Posted - 2012.01.25 14:11:00 - [251] - Quote Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: I suck goon balls that's how you get access to all that tech isk. Fixed HHAHAHAHAHaahahahahaa... no.
Rikki Sals State War Academy Caldari State 28	Posted - 2012.01.25 14:25:00 - [252] - Quote I like high sec because it's where the largest markets are found.
Prince Kobol 170	Posted - 2012.01.25 15:17:00 - [253] - Quote This is a argument that can never be won by either sides simply because there is no one reason. You could ask 100 players why they chose not to live in null full time and there is a good chance you will get 100 different reasons, all of them valid. After this is supposed to be a sandbox where everyone is suppose to be free to do what they like and where they like within the constraints that have been put in place by CCP. The strange things is I see many people have a go at the goons and yet if their alliance sucked that bad, then they wouldn't have the members they do and be as successful as they have been. Also I have seen Andski make this point many times before, you can not force people into null, you have want them to come to null. This is the hard part because there is no one thing that will make this happen, it will be a number of different things. The ability fund themselves would be an important part but this is something which only CCP can fix. The other things which people have mentioned, like wanting to be part of something and not just a drone, which is a fair and valid complaint simply because they can only talk about what they have experienced, can only be solved by the alliances themselves. Its alight if your part of the goons, but that is very little consolation as if your not part of the SA forums you are never going to be a goon and even if you are, its certainty doesn't guarantee anything. You could be part of TEST but that is mainly for people who really really really want to be goons but never will be. So who does that leave us with? CVA.... next please I don't see any null sec alliances out there campaigning to get new blood in, I see a few who love noobs just so they can scam the **** out the them and then complain players don't want to come to null.. well what do you think is going to happen. I'm sorry to say but I kind of wish there was an alliance which was the same as the goons but not the goons. At the very least you know the goons know how to have fun
Xuse Senna Crytec Enterprises SRS. 157	Posted - 2012.01.25 15:46:00 - [254] - Quote WH's <3 D3
Hainnz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2012.01.25 15:57:00 - [255] - Quote Sicex wrote: It's that non-combat, non-conflict mindset of an EVE player that needs to be squashed and the crux of the argument comes when the conflict-averse crowd starts changing CCP's game of conflict into Hello Kitty Island. Well, you sound like you have all the answers then.
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 34	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:01:00 - [256] - Quote pretty lame post tbh. People choose hi-sec because that is where they enjoy themselves the most On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun
Zixie Draco Tactical Knightmare 36	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:37:00 - [257] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: People choose hi-sec because that is where they enjoy themselves the most ..oh dear... Would you like a kitten?
Kiran Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance 8	Posted - 2012.01.25 17:50:00 - [258] - Quote I lived in sov space and it was ok for a time. Then the eliteist pvp'ers in the alliance and my corp started to call CTA's at all hours and expected you to be in them at least 2 or 3 times a week. I was even told by one person that if I had more than 300 million ISK in my wallet I wasn't doing enough pvp and loosing ships. With talks of a 100% tax rate to make sure you went to the CTA's I said **** it and left. I enjoy null sec I also enjoy high sec and wormholes industry etc. I pay for the game and I will not have someone dictate to me how to play it. If they want to tell me how to play the game then they can jolly well pay for my accounts.
Bugsy VanHalen Society of lost Souls 9	Posted - 2012.01.25 17:51:00 - [259] - Quote I have spent over a year living in null sec but currently live in high sec. This is not because I couldn't handle null sec or because I didn't like null sec. The truth is living in null sec and being stable enough to really enjoy your game time requires a fair amount of time invested into the game. I really like living in null sec, however after my wife had our second kid (now have two under 3 years old) I have very little time to spend in game. hrad to suport yourself in null when you only log in a few hours a week. Maintaining control over a couple of systems is a very costly activity for a small alliance. Every member needs to pull their own weight. Our alliance had a good set up where the alliance maintained all POSes, upgrades, jumpbridges, Sov fees etc. And we did not have any good moons to pay those bills. Each corp in the alliance was required to donate 30m per month per active member to the alliance coffers. each corp was responsible for how they raised those funds. Some held corp ratting/mining/raiding ops a couple times a month where all profits went to the corp, some required each member to pay their share. 30m per month is nothing when you are living in well upgraded systems. you could make that in 30 mins of ratting. but we had enough members that it payed for everything. If you thing maintaining a null sec alliance with sov space is easy you know very little about the SOV mechanics in EVE. Well back to the story, with my move to minimal activity and not foreseeing a change in schedule that would allow me to spend the needed time to support myself in null I moved back to high sec. In high sec my expenses are minimal and there are plenty of activities that can be done semi afk and others that can generate decent passive income. In null it is very hard to participate in CTA's when you can have a kid start crying and need to go AFK with absolutely no notice to the fleet. Does not go over well with most FC's. Living in high sec I can go AFK at any time with very little risk of losing a ship. most of my income comes from a self maintained research POS and some manufacturing. mostly passive. I run missions when I can, use research agents, Do PI some in low sec and work at building up my skills so that when I have the time to go back to Null sec I will be able to contribute much more to my corp and alliance. High sec is not just for carebears for me it was an alternative to taking a total break from the game.
Zyress Deaths Head Brigade Gryphon League 23	Posted - 2012.01.25 18:17:00 - [260] - Quote Andski wrote: Salicaz wrote: All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway. camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp Yes bubbling them is soooo much better
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 34	Posted - 2012.01.25 18:33:00 - [261] - Quote Tippia wrote: Vyl Vit wrote: Tippia wrote: So, basically, people choose highsec because they don't know any better? Sounds reasonableGÇª Nice try. No cigar. Conveniently overlook the gist is returning from 0.0 to have fun playing a game, not staying out there to suck up to a handful of bigshots that own you coming and going. Yeah, no. That would work if all these people actually tried out not-highsec, but they don't. They just stay in highsec because they hear stories like this and don't actually go check for themselves. They choose it because they don't know better. True for many high sec people I've known. It was true for me in the beginning, in my 1st 6 months of playing eve I was scared to death of the thought of 0.0. I ran missions for the most part and that's it. A buddy of mine had some friends in BoB so I put together a brutix they gave me the fit for and went on a roam with them. My 1st pvp kill was an IRC guy, my pvp death was to the other 30 IRC guys also there lol. Faction Warfare is what got me into pvp, and the corp I joined went to null sec and I went with them. I have now lived in every part of null sec except drone regions, shot every kind of rat, been in some epic battles (and fought epic lag) ect ect. I am such a creature of null I don't even LIKE low sec, high sec or wormholes (I have toons in all of those areas, i like to make isk and sometimes get bored). Looking back I realize how silly it was to be afraid of null sec, but at the time everyone was talking about how dangerous it was, and when you are new losing a ship is a big deal.
Tza Omi Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.01.25 18:53:00 - [262] - Quote I live in Hisec because its the only place I can feel reasonably safe wearing my +5 implants 24/7 for training purposes, it gives easy access to markets, and boring as level 4's are they are light years more interesting that sitting around in my hangar or in my Bomber in Nullsec waiting for something to happen. I'm posting on an alt because I'm disappointed in my alliance and in my corp. They are headquartered out in NPC Nullsec and they have recently been wardecced. Their directive was everybody move to nullsec and stop any hisec operations till the wardecc is over. I checked the killboard for the the corp wardeccing us and they were all in Highsec, so I asked if they were planning to come to hisec and fight, no they are not, they answered because this "carebear" corp wardeccing us will not leave highsec. These ppl are the same ones I hear in alliance chat talking smack about carebears all the time, but now they are going to sit safely behind their lo and nullsec gates and bubbles and hide from some carebears that want to fight them. Frankly I'm disgusted and when I find another corp , i''ll no longer be with these posers
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1695	Posted - 2012.01.25 19:15:00 - [263] - Quote Zyress wrote: Andski wrote: Salicaz wrote: All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway. camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp Yes bubbling them is soooo much better Permabubbles are a weaksauce gatecamping tactic. Anyone going through will immediately see 20 anchored warp disruptors on their overview and burn back to the gate. Cloaked dictors are the way to go.
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 25	Posted - 2012.01.25 20:37:00 - [264] - Quote Due to my schedule I run missions in hi-sec during the week and party in null during the weekends. I feel that Hi-sec is essential to someones success in the game, ISK wise of course. Put it this way, the majority of the EVE population live either partially or entirely in Hi-Sec. Because most people live in Hi-sec there is more demand for goods there thus increasing prices. That's why Jita is the economic hub of the game and some random low-sec system isn't. However what is the point of living exclusively in Hi-Sec? The only thing you can really do is make money... to make more money. If you want to do that It seems much more logical to simply stop playing the game and actually try to make money in the real world. Reward without risk is usually boring. If I don't break the monotony of mission running by going to null I would probably stop playing the game altogether. PVP space is generally a lot more fun, anyone who has been in a legitimate PVP battle (having your carebear crap blown up by some suicide ganker doesn't count) is a ton of fun. Even though it make take hours to find a good fight, the adrenaline rush is unmatched in gaming. Nothing is more exciting than a moment where millions of ISKies worth of hard work can be lost with one mistake. But like I said, usually to get something good requires waiting for a long time, unless you decide to run with 300 man blobs that are looking for other blobs of the same size (or just hunting small gangs). But to me, a lagfest where there isn't much risk unless you decide to make yourself primary isn't really that exciting. Gang PVP is probably the best form of PVP in the game. Solo is too difficult and Blobs are too easy. No more than 30 people is a lot more fun as there is still a risk but your going to be able to take on most of the stuff you find. Personally I feel a healthy balance of Both Hi-sec and Low/Null is the best way to enjoy the game. You can make money and have fun.
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 164	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:01:00 - [265] - Quote Xolve wrote: Half the people online in EvE at any given time are either a Null Sec toon, or the alt of a Null Sec toon; Citation needed. Explicit proof, or STFU. I suspect that you don't know the truth of this any better than I do, or anyone outside of CCP does. I strongly suspect, however, that you are wrong. Mainly because you're a douche--see? I can bandy blatant logical fallacies about too! Am I on the way to 1337-ness now? Xolve wrote: [...] you say that Empire dwellers are the majority in this game, great, open your alliances tab, go to rankings, and find me a empire alliance in the top 10 by total members. [...] And I'm supposed to give two fucks about "rankings," because, why, please? I neither know, nor care to know, who's "who" in this game, as it has nothing to do with the things I enjoy doing in it. Maybe you're the one who needs to put on his big-boy trousers, fuckface, once you realise that most of us just don't care about dullsec as much as you wish everyone did, and likely never will. Boo-*****-hoo. Oh, and if my corp's higher-ups couldn't tolerate me, then they could have kicked me anytime in the last near-2-years and counting--indeed, they would have had to do so, as we are a small tight-knit team--we can do what we do as small as we are because of this--and that sort of thing effects the team negatively very quickly. Next! NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." ** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 29	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:09:00 - [266] - Quote Pretty ******* bitter right there
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 164	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:17:00 - [267] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: pussnheels wrote: Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs I am so sick and tired of you socalled nullsec elitist who think everything done by CCP is for them alone and that people shoulkd play this game your way and anybody thinking otherwise should leave or if they don't leave voluntarry , grief them out of the game and what is most hypocrite of all , you ullsec assholes are the first to cry because they rarely find new members these days anymore and can't understand why people refuse to go to nullsec You ve done nothing out there except complaining about high sec and the lack of things to do or to explore , there is plenty to do out there , you nullsec assholes are just too blind and too lazy or stupid to see it My experience of null, both npc and sov, contradicts this entirely. I mean every sentence, the opposite is true. Agree re--NPC-owned null, but sov-null...meh. Clearly, you've found a good corp / Alliance to join. That's great, there's lots of good ones out there, I'm sure. But there are lots and lots of bad ones, too--joining one of the latter during the Dominion "***-through-lag-cage" era has left a permanent foul taste in my mouth, I freely admit... But this was a good thing, too, as it helped me find what I like in EVE, something we all have to go through. Went to losec/wh, found a corp with real pros at small gang-PvP/tactics in same, never looked back. Sov-null? Good on ya if you've found that it's for you, and* a good corp / Alliance to experience it with (I think you'll agree that it cannot be emphasised enough how incredibly important that is in this context), but thank you, no more for me. NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 164	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:01:00 - [268] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: Tian Nu wrote: I choose highsec because CONCORD protect me. Lol ^^Seconded^^ LOL! Does anyone still actually believe that, or is Tian Nu just trolling? On the off-chance of seriousness: CONCORD is not there to protect you, they are there to punish people who aggress you without legal right to do so, after the fact. This is exactly how it should be, imho. Retribution against criminals =/= protection of innocents, nor should it. Especially given that almost everything one can do in EVE involves player-vs-player competition, then there are arguably no such thing as "innocents" in EVE, once they've been playing more than a few months. NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 551	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:21:00 - [269] - Quote Lyrrashae wrote: Xolve wrote: Half the people online in EvE at any given time are either a Null Sec toon, or the alt of a Null Sec toon; Citation needed. A normal EVE day for me is 1 or 2 chars in eve doing market and PI factory **, and 0 or 1 doing PVP ** (it all depends on whether or not there's a broadcast for a fleet I feel like logging in for). I'm pretty sure I'm not unique there.
I Like Characters Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:38:00 - [270] - Quote I found I played more when I was in highsec. I was in 0.0 for nearly 2 years, and I would log on to rat, roam, and that was it. Ratting got old really fast, roaming was so boring it brought tears to my eyes (yay 1 pvp battle every 2 hours!), and getting to and from highsec was such a chore that I really didn't feel like doing it anymore, so I just stayed out in 0.0 space. Eventually I took a break from the game for a few months and when I came back, my alliance had crumbled. So, I left my corp for an NPC one and floated back to highsec. Suddenly I was playing the game regularly. Missions were enjoyable. Lowsec PvP was fun. Mining really wasn't so bad out here. I could easily buy new ship parts and ships without having to either scour my 0.0 area looking for an item on sale or beg someone to transport it out to me. In the end, I realized highsec was just more fun for me. Should that ever quit being the case because CCP decides to push folks out, since I have already tried 0.0 and know I won't like it, I'll likely give WH space a shot. If that doesn't work out, then I suppose I'll have outstayed my welcome in EVE and move on different (but likely not greener) pastures. tl;dr- lived in 0.0 for 2 years, didn't like it. I like highsec. The day I can't play in highsec, I'll find something else to do. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.
I Like Characters Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:45:00 - [271] - Quote Lyrrashae wrote: Xolve wrote: Half the people online in EvE at any given time are either a Null Sec toon, or the alt of a Null Sec toon; Citation needed. Explicit proof, or STFU. I suspect that you don't know the truth of this any better than I do, or anyone outside of CCP does. I strongly suspect, however, that you are wrong. Mainly because you're a douche--see? I can bandy blatant logical fallacies about too! Am I on the way to 1337-ness now? https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png That is from CCP Diagoras Twitter (https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras). 66% of characters 5m sp or higher are highsec toons. Only 20% of the characters in the game are 0.0 toons. That's 20% of the characters, not players. Unless I'm the only person who took 2 or 3 alts with them to 0.0, I seriously doubt it is 1 character per 1 player and that is 20% of the playerbase. >_>
Ehn Roh Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.01.25 23:01:00 - [272] - Quote Kiran wrote: I lived in sov space and it was ok for a time. Then the eliteist pvp'ers in the alliance and my corp started to call CTA's at all hours and expected you to be in them at least 2 or 3 times a week. I was even told by one person that if I had more than 300 million ISK in my wallet I wasn't doing enough pvp and loosing ships. With talks of a 100% tax rate to make sure you went to the CTA's I said **** it and left. I enjoy null sec I also enjoy high sec and wormholes industry etc. I pay for the game and I will not have someone dictate to me how to play it. If they want to tell me how to play the game then they can jolly well pay for my accounts. I've heard both sides of this sort of thing, and 99 times out of 100 what happened is the "non-PvP" types didn't listen to advice about flying reasonable ships, showed up in something expensive they couldn't afford to lose because they thought a faction fit BS would make them uber, then ducked out of subsequent fights because they didn't listen to fleet commands, got killed, and now "have to make money and can't afford to fight". Usually this ends with them JC-ing to hi-sec to run missions. This is precisely the sort of thing that kills alliances moving out into null. If you don't want to be 'told how to play', then by all means stay in hisec and don't sign up for team efforts.
Caellach Marellus Nephtys Ventures inc 406	Posted - 2012.01.25 23:36:00 - [273] - Quote I game in highsec because it lets me do what I want to do in this game, with the occasional trip to W-Space. I don't need nullsec, thus going there is pointless when I can get what I want elsewhere.
Killer Gandry Shadow of the Pain 36	Posted - 2012.01.26 00:09:00 - [274] - Quote I play high sec when I feel like it. I play null sec when I feel like it. I determine my online time and I determine what kind of corporation or alliance I join. I can *** and moan like a little ** about other alliances as much as I want. In the end it's my own choice as what kind of group I want to belong to. I made for myself the choice to stay as far away as possible from Goons simply because I don't like their playstyle. It doesn't make their playstyle less or more than my own playstyle but to my taste it's too inhumane, even when looked at it purely as a game. but that is my personal vision to it. In general there are places for almost any type of gamestyle in null sec alliances. But it means that you have to set yourself passt some misconceptions created by a certain few alliances which you heard about more than others. I have been living in null sec on and off since 2004. Sometimes with a shorter and sometimes with a longer period of time being in high sec. The amount of presure some people tend to feel as towards CTA's and such is in many cases also presure people tend to place on themselves. Their own feeling they MUST attend is greater than the alliance actually puts on their members. But instead of looking at themselves it's easier to push forward that you are pressed into that many CTA's and ops. So there is a lot of discussion about stuff, but the reality is that a lot of people are using false pretences as why they do only high sec or only null sec. Some are fully aware they are just lying through their teeth and others just don't have a clue.
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 164	Posted - 2012.01.26 04:05:00 - [275] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Lyrrashae wrote: Xolve wrote: Half the people online in EvE at any given time are either a Null Sec toon, or the alt of a Null Sec toon; Citation needed. A normal EVE day for me is 1 or 2 chars in eve doing market and PI factory **, and 0 or 1 doing PVP (it all depends on whether or not there's a broadcast for a fleet I feel like logging in for). I'm pretty sure I'm not unique there. Because anecdotal evidence based on a sample size of 1 = statistical validity. NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." ** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 164	Posted - 2012.01.26 04:11:00 - [276] - Quote I Like Characters wrote: Lyrrashae wrote: Xolve wrote: Half the people online in EvE at any given time are either a Null Sec toon, or the alt of a Null Sec toon; Citation needed. Explicit proof, or STFU. I suspect that you don't know the truth of this any better than I do, or anyone outside of CCP does. I strongly suspect, however, that you are wrong. Mainly because you're a douche--see? I can bandy blatant logical fallacies about too! Am I on the way to 1337-ness now? https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png That is from CCP Diagoras Twitter (https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras). 66% of characters 5m sp or higher are highsec toons. Only 20% of the characters in the game are 0.0 toons. That's 20% of the characters, not players. Unless I'm the only person who took 2 or 3 alts with them to 0.0, I seriously doubt it is 1 character per 1 player and that is 20% of the playerbase. >_> This doesn't prove anything except give a snapshot of who's where (character-wise, notwithstanding which players are controlling which characters besides their main.). Again, explicit answer needed: Question: (posed to all active accounts >30d old) Are you/do you have an alt/alts, and what do use these alts for? NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2012.01.26 04:23:00 - [277] - Quote It used to be fun for me at first. But then it started to become a chore as the CTAs ramped up. But that a little less than a year ago and the alliance I was in was moving to a new region, I kept getting forced to move to a new corp (mainly because the old ones get disbanded) and I wasn't in the mood for another move-in. So I decided to call it quits. I didn't mind the fact that I kept losing ships. I lose ships all the time anyways. That and the whole political bickering that was going around when Majesta Empire was undergoing changes in leadership.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 551	Posted - 2012.01.26 08:53:00 - [278] - Quote Lyrrashae wrote: Because anecdotal evidence based on a sample size of 1 = statistical validity. I'm not unique. In fact, most of the people I talk to in nullsec do pretty much the same thing I am. It's not my problem if you don't believe me, you're the one with your head in the sand. vOv

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