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Manipulator General	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:11:00 - [121] Originally by: Kenneth McCoy Good christ at Japan D: I couldn't have said it better. Or something.
Iteken Hotori Minmatar Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:24:00 - [122] Originally by: shivan TBH, your best bet is to go with BT. As any company that doesn't use 'cable' to supply you with a net service is only going to lease the line from BT and then lease it to you. Nope. BT trafficshape too, i'm in the proces of giving them teh finger, sueing them for an ususeable connection and walkig naway. if you want a decent adsl link, get LLU. my wang exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:46:00 - [123] I own a ISP and I can relate what is going on. ISP's are having to prioritize traffic so that voip (telephone) service and later iptv (t.v. services) will function correctly. So lets give an example: The isp has a 10m feed that they are paying 5k a month for. They have 100 cable customers. One person loads up a file sharing program and sets it to allow downloads at full speed. The file sharing network sees this fast network offering 10M internet connection. And now you have 100,000 people that see this new mp3 they were wanting to copy. Now those 100,000 people are now hitting that 10M feed network. Leaving the 100 people strugling for bandwidth, voip services starts breaking up, people are no longer able to pull there video's, or mp3's at any decent speed, and games have lag. So those 100 people start calling in and complaining of slowness. The isp has to either add more bandwidth (unlikely not because they don't want to but the cost factor), or they add quality of service, priority, queing to there network. You limit upload speeds to those cable customers which helps but isn't the end all be all solution. You then try to implement a priority system that gives low priority to e-mail, and then either limit p2p programs or try to block them all together. So basicly you are the life line and bane of all isp's. -John
Kara Zane	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:56:00 - [124] Edited by: Kara Zane on 29/11/2007 17:55:59 Originally by: Jupiter Sun Quote: But what are downloading from giganews that is 3GB every night, night after night? Hi-def TV shows, lossless audio, films i've never seen and musicians i've never heard of before, that sorta thing. why do you ask? Well assuming you have the appropriate rights to that material why the hell are you downloading 3 GB in a few hours night after night you cant possibly be using that much yourself, so either your just downloading junk for the sake of it or something else is going on. Tbfh your the type of customer that's caused these limits to be foisted onto the rest of us.
Velios M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:06:00 - [125] Quite a few of us guys in M.Corp have virgin cable and can't get on Teamspeak that everyone else seems to be having no problem with. Is this all part of the Virgin mess up? M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:21:00 - [126] I'd also like to note that I am surpised that they would limit eve which is very low bandwidth application. When I do my bandwidth meters I think eve is like less than 30k a second. Teamspeak being just a tad more.
Nevvyn	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:58:00 - [127] For those of you with friends who have high bandwidth, we've tested it and if someone will sort you out a VPN to their connection outside of Virgin Media, VPN traffic is given high priority by them, so at least Eve becomes playable again. Nev. ~ some times you're the dog, some times you're the tree.
Jelan Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.29 19:35:00 - [128] Yep and here is the number of the head office of Virgin Media if you would like to complain Virgin Management - 020 72291282 See us at http://www.fusion-enterprises.org
Ciara Daag	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:11:00 - [129] Originally by: MHayes This what happens when you use a rubbish ISP..... www.zen.co.uk This is not surprising. In the US,many people use Comcast as their cable modem provider. It has recently been made public that they are denying connections to file sharing programs. This is the way of the future. Companies will advertise high speed internet,then secretly throttle down anything that use any significant bandwidth. We as consumers need to make it clear that we find this unnacceptable. If it happens on your provider,switch to another that does not do this and let them know why you switched. If consumers do not step up and demand this,then all the ISPs will start doing it,and then will charge more for "unlimited" services and we will have no choice but to accept it.
redialer Minmatar The African Contingency Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:25:00 - [130] Originally by: Velios Quite a few of us guys in M.Corp have virgin cable and can't get on Teamspeak that everyone else seems to be having no problem with. Is this all part of the Virgin mess up? TS has just stopped connecting for me, I have now found out they are blocking the IP of the TS Server host
SniperWo1f Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.29 21:07:00 - [131] what you should do as customers of a crap isp is band together communicate with one another group yourselves together and then sell your group subscription to an ISP that meets your demand . if you get together and package yourselves as X amount of user and subcriptions looking for ISP with following criteria . youll achieve better results and have more pull . as individual customer loss is hardly noteworthy but a mass migration is scary for ISP's
Paaaulo	Posted - 2007.11.29 21:24:00 - [132] So i have to ring them up and go through hassle to get this ** fixed? i ***** hate virgin media with a passion. If i had a BT phone line i wouldn't be anywhere near them
Troezar	Posted - 2007.11.29 21:35:00 - [133] I don't know if this will help anyone but I use Plusnet (UK ISP) who I noticed are now offering this service: Linkage I'm not currently on this but thinking about it once I buy a new house, anyone any thoughts?
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.30 08:28:00 - [134] Edited by: Andrue on 30/11/2007 08:34:00 Edited by: Andrue on 30/11/2007 08:30:14 Originally by: Jupiter Sun Originally by: Andrue But what are downloading from giganews that is 3GB every night, night after night? Hi-def TV shows, lossless audio, films i've never seen and musicians i've never heard of before, that sorta thing. why do you ask? Because I'm genuinely curious. So few people download that much (most rarely exceed 10GB a month) that I've long wondered what the extreme minority are doing. My next question is - how do you find the time to watch 3GB of video every night (we can probably assume that the pure audio is irrelevant) and play Eve? -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.30 08:32:00 - [135] Originally by: Iteken Hotori Originally by: shivan TBH, your best bet is to go with BT. As any company that doesn't use 'cable' to supply you with a net service is only going to lease the line from BT and then lease it to you. Nope. BT trafficshape too, i'm in the proces of giving them teh finger, sueing them for an ususeable connection and walkig naway. if you want a decent adsl link, get LLU. Suing them will be a monumental waste of time and money. The most you could possibly get would be a partial refund of your monthly subscription and that wouldn't be worth your or the court's time. In any case their T&C will cover them. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
ThaDollaGenerale Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.30 08:53:00 - [136] <- Living in Japan I want to get their fiber connection to my house. So begins the downfall of net neutrality. By developer, they mean who pays the most money for their program.
Velios M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.30 10:06:00 - [137] Edited by: Velios on 30/11/2007 10:05:54 Just cancelled my Virgin Broadband this morning and took the XL package from Sky. For only ú5 a month extra I now have Sky broadband XL, Sky HD and Sky talk unlimited. Lets hope it works... M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.30 10:15:00 - [138] Originally by: Velios Edited by: Velios on 30/11/2007 10:05:54 Just cancelled my Virgin Broadband this morning and took the XL package from Sky. For only ú5 a month extra I now have Sky broadband XL, Sky HD and Sky talk unlimited. Lets hope it works... When it comes to Broadband (as in most things, tbh) you normally get what you pay for (). In your case you have opted for one of the cheapest BB providers you can find. Draw your own conclusions. ()VM is a special case. They are primarily a cable company and therefore providing BB over ADSL means using another companies network (BT's IPStream most likely). This therefore overrides the fact that VM's prices aren't particularly sharp. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Call'Da Poleece	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:21:00 - [139] I used to live in London and used www.zen.co.uk and tbh they were great, 18 months and there was a single interruption of service caused by upgrading the local exchange. Other than that I had great response times and I dont think I ever was throttled. When I moved out of London I had no choice but to get VM cable (XL) (used to be Telewest area) and except for 2 interruptions of service is working as advertised and I rarely get slowdowns. But I have another problem now though ... there are 14 wireless networks (including at least 3 MIMO ones) with god knows how many dect phones etc as well. I'm holding out for Linksys to start flogging their WRT600N in Europe for 802.11n in the 5Ghz spectrum (dont want to get that Apple jobby and Dlinks dual band dir-855 isnt out until next year )
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:34:00 - [140] Originally by: Cailais Virgins announcement - Linkage Thankfully I changed isp provider a few months ago - close call! C. I am glad you changed from VM to some other ISP I read those traffic management rules and found them to be very reasonable so my only conclusion is that you are a heavy downloader that is spoilt You see I download too, but I do it outside 4 pm to midnight as it makes more sense,not that you could see it. If you were smart you would have realised you could download over 5-10 GIG a day with VM on cable, 10 GIG a day ! ! ! just do it outside the peak times.(and depends if you're on 20 Meg or 10 Meg package) How many other ISPs allow 300 Gig a month download ?
Call'Da Poleece	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:41:00 - [141] Originally by: Bimjo I am glad you changed from VM to some other ISP[8) I read those traffic management rules and found them to be very reasonable so my only conclusion is that you are a heavy downloader that is spoilt You see I download too, but I do it outside 4 pm to midnight as it makes more sense,not that you could see it. If you were smart you would have realised you could download over 5-10 GIG a day with VM on cable, 10 GIG a day ! ! ! just do it outside the peak times.(and depends if you're on 20 Meg or 10 Meg package) How many other ISPs allow 300 Gig a month download ? Indeed, VM have never throttled me, my average monthly download would be 25GB ..... varies greatly though
Tyranis Bolke	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:44:00 - [142] I haven't heard good things about sky. I know a good few people who got unusable net and phones lines after a few months thanks to Rupert Murdoch's little pet. I'm on BT though, with excellent service no shaping (everyone else round here is on cable). Only problem is the price and the over-quoting of speeds. _______________________________________ Comfortably Numb
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:54:00 - [143] Edited by: Plutoinum on 30/11/2007 11:54:36 Originally by: Cailais Virgins announcement - Linkage Thankfully I changed isp provider a few months ago - close call! C. Hmm, as long as they are able to guarantee low ping and packetloss for game connections and voice applications, I could live with that, because they punish downloading a lot only during prime time and the punishment last only for only for 4 hours. I'd just schedule the big download jobs out of prime time then. Ok, currently I've got 16Mbit flat and no problems and limitations so far, but I'm afraid that it's coming, because they are offering TV/Movies over internet packages now and phone every 16+ Mbit user to upgrade to that. Can only hope that they've got the network infrastructure for that.
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:47:00 - [144] Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 30/11/2007 13:48:10 Originally by: Call'Da Poleece Originally by: Bimjo I am glad you changed from VM to some other ISP[8) I read those traffic management rules and found them to be very reasonable so my only conclusion is that you are a heavy downloader that is spoilt You see I download too, but I do it outside 4 pm to midnight as it makes more sense,not that you could see it. If you were smart you would have realised you could download over 5-10 GIG a day with VM on cable, 10 GIG a day ! ! ! just do it outside the peak times.(and depends if you're on 20 Meg or 10 Meg package) How many other ISPs allow 300 Gig a month download ? Indeed, VM have never throttled me, my average monthly download would be 25GB ..... varies greatly though I'm on VM cable (4Mb), and I'm in the process of upgrading my fileserver from 4x300GB to 4x500GB hdds. By using download programs with a built-in scheduler, I can download as much as I like off-peak, while enjoying uninterrupted EVE in peak times :) nullnull
DarkXenon	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:00:00 - [145] Im on Virgin Media adsl and ive been getting HUGE lag on eve, also when on sisi I get disconnected every few mins. My steam account has been not working aswell, huge lag, not loggin in, not updating. Virgin Media ADSL is the biggest joke out there.
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:02:00 - [146] U COULD ALL MOVE TO DENMARK.. i pay 398 for a 20 mbit cnnection and thats like 80$ a month.. no limitation, and it is true 20 mb not some ****ti 2000 kb thing... cybercity for the win... OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
dimaggio Gallente XTS	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:19:00 - [147] im not changing BB service im movin to Japan bloody easlier i think BT aint that good either, 4mb if im lucky with aol and sky i was getting 8 to 9mbs but with BT only 3 to 4mb its crap... so japan here i come...
Grez Minmatar e X i l e Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:25:00 - [148] Originally by: Maximada Blah blah Only works for ADSL, and it's a form of "GAIN" (anyone from the 56K days knows what I'm talking about). They cannot (well, they could, but it's damn ********) grade your line using this... Anyways, VM are rolling out DOCSIS 3.0 for cable users at christmas, and then rolling out 50MB next year for cable'rs as well. This also means major upgrades for the UBR's all around the country. If they do these upgrades, there will be no need for traffic management for quite some time (they're upgrading the capacity of each UBR to silly levels). --- Have a rawr on me.
Lord DeFault Minmatar Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:33:00 - [149] let watch dog know. Afew of us out there are working to get some change. It's not Just virgin media, They are doing it cos the others get away with much worse things. http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/ it's also got legal info on there. For the Republic
Kumo T'sun Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:34:00 - [150] I'm convinced Virgin are throttling my connection whenever I play Eve. Normally always happens 5pm onwards. I loose connection from eve repeatedly for no reason. I don't think it's the client booting me out as Xfire also d/c at the same time and sometimes msn. When I'm not playing eve the connection is fine. Sommats up whatever it is.

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