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PsyMan Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:16:00 - [1861] Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 12:18:19 Originally by: Zataaki Edited by: Zataaki on 07/12/2007 10:54:28 Originally by: PsyMan I will boot camp my mac and see how the boot.ini file works on a mac partition, I believe the hal.dll problem is a direct result of a missing boot.ini file. In any case it shouldn't take long to do a skeleton install of windows xp and get back Awesome thanks, it's like 3 AM here and I'm gonna sleep but I'll check this thread again in the morning. edit: I forgot to mention my Windows partition is NTFS while it's usually FAT32 with bootcamp. I'm also using windows xp home edition service pack 2. Sleep well, I can confirm that the hal.dll screen on boot is a direct result of the boot.ini file being removed as I have boot camped my imac and deleted it (backing it up) and the resulting boot gives me exactly the same problem. I also opted for an ntfs partition which makes things a little tricky but not impossible to fix. I am going to now fix it and document it HERE to save you searching this thread and to allow anyone else effected to hopefully repair their mac. And sound and a Blue Screen happened to me too, it turned out to be faulty realtek onboard HD sound drivers, I updated the drivers from the realtek website and all was good in the world., annoying thing was it would only BS when I turned the armour repairer on.
Ting Tong	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:18:00 - [1862] Is it possible to copy the boot.ini file (that is being posted in this thread)onto a floppy disc. Take the disc home and put the disc in my machine that is not loading windows and boot from floppy?
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:20:00 - [1863] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Takumi Vetinari Originally by: Maxus Cynus Not testing your software well enough to make sure it does not render the users system unusable. Causing criminal damage to your users property due to negligence in your testing and deployment. Criminal negligence. Inadvertantly wiping a file from a computer constitutes criminal damage, does it? Thank you for that clarification. I'll go look it up in UK case law now, I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to track down. True, but the worst subsequent damage is the repair bill from the tech that restored your boot.ini and likely to be the only part CCP would be sentenced to to pay in european courts. Data loss is caused by incompetent people trying to repair your/their pc. Exactly! If the technician caused data loss to repair your computer than HE is guilty! He IS THE CRIMINALY INCOMPETENT! And btw, he is also criminally guilty of exploring the good faith of its custumers, decieving them into thinking that the repair work was worth more than 5 or 10 dollars. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Maxus Cynus Perkone	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:22:00 - [1864] Originally by: Takumi Vetinari Edited by: Takumi Vetinari on 07/12/2007 12:03:46 Originally by: Washell Olivaw Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts. Is it not reasonable to surmise that anyone doing that knows what they are doing and, in all likelihood, have the wherewithal to fix it? I guess you don't see many Dell/HPs etc where the primary partition is not the OS but the settings from the manufacturer which will wipe your Windows and re-install it. I'm curious in knowing exactly how good your car mechanic skills are, or your electrician/plumbing etc skills are. Even if YOU had no problem and if you did, could solve it in 1 minute, that doesn't free CCP from guilt. Now I know all EVE players are pretty much resigned to losing stuff to CCP, be it training time, expensive ships, clones, implants etc etc due to bugs in their code. CCP rightly states that it does not owe you anything for it because it is THEIR PROPERTY you are playing with. BUT taking this mentality into the world where OUR PROPERTY is being affected by CCP is utterly idiotic. It is your PC that CCP messed up, your (or even your workplace, people who use laptops from work usually get leeway to using them for personal things outside of work hours) property. This can't be shrugged off as the usual "I got shafted by CCP but it was their call". Your operating system is not a CCP property, your box is not their property and nothing they say in their EULA changes that.
Haka Aragon Caldari F.M.J. operations	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:25:00 - [1865] Originally by: Ting Tong Is it possible to copy the boot.ini file (that is being posted in this thread)onto a floppy disc. Take the disc home and put the disc in my machine that is not loading windows and boot from floppy? Yes you could give it a try. You could also do as someone else mentioned and that is try and log into windows under safe mode. _
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:29:00 - [1866] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Kagura Nikon I tested it in 4 machines. Windows Service pack 2 do not NEED BOOT.INI. That is a FACT! Was introduced exactly because several viruses delete this file. It uses boot.ini only to extract extra boot parameters. The eve bug would delete the boot.ini but that would cause NO PROBLEMS DURING BOOT! Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts. Done.. one of my machines has windows in c: installed on a disk with a linux swap as first partition of that disk, and 2 other EXT3 before the NTFS partition. The install directory is /XP (I concede I don know if windows have any special rule on XP as it does with WINDOWS). Nothing SERIOUS happens as long as its SP 2and up to date (XP professional here, don have others). As of updated the boot.ini is BUILT IN into the boot loader. Will display a error message and continue a non parametered boot (only means it do n use the 64.bit processor protected instruction flags). Not saying the is NONE possible configuration of partitions,drives, directories that would cause a problem. But Its an exception. General rule is if you are up to date with updates then your windows will boot fine. 90% of cases here are ones that could have been prevented. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Haka Aragon Caldari F.M.J. operations	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:37:00 - [1867] 100% of the cases here could have been prevented had CCP done a proper audit of the code that they implemented in the update. The are proud of the fact that they have a quality control department but it looks like they were drunk when this patch came through their office. _
Ting Tong	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:39:00 - [1868] Originally by: Haka Aragon Originally by: Ting Tong Is it possible to copy the boot.ini file (that is being posted in this thread)onto a floppy disc. Take the disc home and put the disc in my machine that is not loading windows and boot from floppy? Yes you could give it a try. You could also do as someone else mentioned and that is try and log into windows under safe mode. Unfortunatly Safe mode still requires Windows to be recognised...it failed
Kyle Hammer	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:39:00 - [1869] Th e fact remains CCP had no reason to mess with the Boot.ini file. It has nothing to do with the software the EULA refers to. This is not same as changing an autoexec.bat file, (I know that dates me) changing that would affect system operation. There is no valid reason for them to change or modify the Boot.ini file.
Haka Aragon Caldari F.M.J. operations	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:45:00 - [1870] Edited by: Haka Aragon on 07/12/2007 12:46:51 Originally by: Ting Tong Originally by: Haka Aragon Originally by: Ting Tong Is it possible to copy the boot.ini file (that is being posted in this thread)onto a floppy disc. Take the disc home and put the disc in my machine that is not loading windows and boot from floppy? Yes you could give it a try. You could also do as someone else mentioned and that is try and log into windows under safe mode. Unfortunatly Safe mode still requires Windows to be recognised...it failed I didn't think it would but it was worth a try. I hope you get this sorted soon. I also hope you have a REALLY long skill training :p _
Hectaire Glade Forum Jockey	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:45:00 - [1871] It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT. Lets move on shall we? The best lesson to be learned from this is that anyone writing software should never have thier own files with identical names to system critical ones.
Ting Tong	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:48:00 - [1872] 2 or 3 days left on a L5 I was working on...so I have until Monday
Eternal Hatred Amarr Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies BROTHER'S WORD	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:51:00 - [1873] I just came home and I see this kind of **up! Nice work CCP! My hats for you guys.. LOL! __________________________________________ I'm a well known whorum warriors alt and my lucky number is 663976**. It's great being an Amarr
Takumi Vetinari Amarr Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:14:00 - [1874] Originally by: Maxus Cynus I guess you don't see many Dell/HPs etc where the primary partition is not the OS but the settings from the manufacturer which will wipe your Windows and re-install it. I think I've purchased about 20 Dells, I'm happy to admit I haven't seen this varying kind of configuration you make reference to. I have noted that some of them came pre-equiped with Ghost, although the backup partition was not the primary; the machines were otherwise defaults across the board and, SP2 loaded, would have subsequently booted, despite the patch's unwitting efforts. Quote: I'm curious in knowing exactly how good your car mechanic skills are, or your electrician/plumbing etc skills are. Even if YOU had no problem and if you did, could solve it in 1 minute, that doesn't free CCP from guilt. They are poor to average, although sufficiently adept to follow clear instructions. I am not trying to absolve CCP from guilt or responsibility, I just find the trite calls for recompense and inane expert advice a little irksome. This thread would have been far more concise and useful in helping people were it not full of the above. Perhaps a separate ranting thread might have been in order, we could have avoided it then :)
aelawan	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:17:00 - [1875] Edited by: aelawan on 07/12/2007 13:21:44 Originally by: Hectaire Glade It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT. Lets move on shall we? The best lesson to be learned from this is that anyone writing software should never have thier own files with identical names to system critical ones. I have no problems with people I contract or buy from making mistakes or causing accidents, however, I do demand that they pay for them. CCP is taking a considerable PR hit on this ... CCP should bite the PR bullet, admit their errors, and give everyone a free month of game time as a good faith payment for ruining their systems (yes even the trial account holders). ... no not because they legally HAVE TO, but becasue they WANT TO ... to 'attempt' to make it up to their considerable subscriber base, which i might add they wouldnt have a successful business without. Just add 1 month to everyone game time like an in house paid time card. Sorry, but there is no reason for a mistake like this ... no justification ... and there is no downplaying it. Imagine the loss of productivity and revenue for people playing it at work, or a home office, upgrading their skills at work, or god forbid they god fired for screwing up the computers when the IT tech found out what caused it and reported it to their superiors. That said, the ONLY reason you arent seeing more of an public/forum outcry about this issue is because the majority of the people that are affected cant even get online now becasue why ??? CCP screwd up their computers. I know i have seen a considerable decrease in logged in users. coincidence ? just my $.02
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:19:00 - [1876] Originally by: Hectaire Glade It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT. Lets move on shall we? The best lesson to be learned from this is that anyone writing software should never have thier own files with identical names to system critical ones. THAT! I am myself recheking all file names in project i am currenlty working :P ...and also sure m$ already learned long ago to not let important files thown randomlyin root. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
sian miller	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:19:00 - [1877] i relly hope 100% have a floppy drive to boot from since neraly all new pc's dont come with a floppy any more!!
Maxus Cynus Perkone	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:20:00 - [1878] This thread is named: Boot.ini discussion thread Discussion!
Dave Day Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:22:00 - [1879] Originally by: Hectaire Glade It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT. No.....an accident which could have been easily avoided is what's called NEGLIGENT and that's a whole different ball game. 1. Whose bright idea was it to name a game file boot.ini? Come on, you don't need to a rocket scientist to work out the potential for chaos there. 2. Which equally bright spark then decided to code in del /boot.ini? 3. This for me is the killer.....Did nobody at CCP even consider uploading the finished code onto at least one measly office desktop running XP just to make sure it didn't contain exactly this sort of screw up??? It's called TESTING FFS.... Accidents I can live with. If I get in my car and have a crash due to a lapse of concentration then hey, it's one of those things. If, however, I had that crash driving blindfolded and with no hands on the wheel, I'd expect to be in a whole world of trouble with someone. I've played Eve for 4 years and have no problem with the usual patch day blues....markets borked etc etc. But to patch the game in good faith and have my PC die is completely unacceptable.
blake fallout	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:24:00 - [1880] i know this wont help, but when i was on win 98se (not sure about xp>>> i noticed after a whipe (restore) anything on the C\ drive that i had was still thier, so now with every computer i have/had, i make my own folder on the C\ drive to keep any thing on in case of a whipe or worse + backup) since in a restore it whipes the my documents folder/programs folder, so make it any name you whant my stuff/my items/my downloades/ ect,
aelawan	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:25:00 - [1881] agree 100% pure neglect on ccp's part.
princess katie	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:26:00 - [1882] As I thought CCP would , they obviously have ....placed people, saying things like the Quote: It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT. Lets move on shall we? The best lesson to be learned from this is that anyone writing software should never have thier own files with identical names to system critical ones ACCIDENT ? Typo? what is this Company a Company of errors? They think they can attack people computers and just get away with it. As to "lets move on" tell that to the hundreds that have lost their puters to the repair shops or the hundreds that have spent time repairing their own or the hundreds that dont have the funds or the know how to get them fixed. LETS MOVE ON what are you a CCP company director?
Maarrg Blood	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:27:00 - [1883] Ok guys I can get my computer to load to dos 6.22 . I have no working cd/dvd drive to work with so I need to go from a floppy. I am not sure about any linux or anything I just need the coding to replace my boot.ini file on the c drive. I tried using the posted earlier attrib -s -h -a <enter>, then copy a:/boot.ini C: <enter>. To install a new boot.ini file that I had coppied and saved to a sepaerate floppy. Sure could use some help thanks will watch for another hour or so.
Disteeler Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:31:00 - [1884] Edited by: Disteeler on 07/12/2007 13:31:58 lol guys it's like you don't only want CCP to apologise (they already did) but you want CCP to fail over all internet. Great work if you really want EvE to fail just hit cancel account. If you want to take it constructively then you're not doing anything right. Oh and the level of computer and general technology illiterates here is simply amazing. Sig by Black Necris
Gaius Decius	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:33:00 - [1885] Ok, I have a question, might be stupid but meh. If I uninstall eve and reinstall Trinity (non new graphics version cause I dont have DX10) from the link on the site, will It work, and not delete my boot.ini?
Brittannia Gallente Orion Academy	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:36:00 - [1886] This is a disgrace. This patch should never have been deployed. The number of bugs is staggering. They aren't all minor bugs either. Jump clones blowing up implants, POS becoming non-functional, Dreadnaughts with 0 rate of fire, The numerous system failures and CTDs, Good lord CCP are you even testing this crap?
Dave Day Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:40:00 - [1887] Originally by: Disteeler Edited by: Disteeler on 07/12/2007 13:31:58 lol guys it's like you don't only want CCP to apologise (they already did) but you want CCP to fail over all internet. Great work if you really want EvE to fail just hit cancel account. If you want to take it constructively then you're not doing anything right. Oh and the level of computer and general technology illiterates here is simply amazing. I don't think technology literacy is the issue here. I don't need to be a Mechanic to know that my car doesn't start and I don't need to be PC literate to know that CCP have buggered my computer. And no, I don't want to see them fail either. But as some people have already said, a major exercise in PR is needed now on CCP's part. We have a had a cursory apology at best and that's it....''We've wrecked your PC, never mind, move on'' just won't cut it.
PsyMan Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:41:00 - [1888] OK, For anyone running a Mac with boot camp that has been effected I have put together a fix that can be achieved using your mac OS, the guide is HERE I had to make and break a windows XP Pro install but those steps did repair it, should work for XP Home as well.
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:48:00 - [1889] Originally by: Brittannia This is a disgrace. This patch should never have been deployed. The number of bugs is staggering. They aren't all minor bugs either. Jump clones blowing up implants, POS becoming non-functional, Dreadnaughts with 0 rate of fire, The numerous system failures and CTDs, Good lord CCP are you even testing this crap? Yeah man what a DISGRACE!!! I meen.. OMG THE IMPLANTS!!! Like... NOOOO THE POS's!!!!! Dude the dreads don't FIREEEE!!! WE NEEDZ AMMO!!! I MEEN THE CTD'S!THE CTD's!!!! Good lord CCP, were do you dig up the patiente to put up with all the whiners? Its unbelievable, unbelieveble i tell you... the nerve, i meen have you seen the weather today, and the queen using purple panties, its the end of the world... _____________________________________
Larno Gallente Vali Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:49:00 - [1890] Originally by: Gaius Decius Ok, I have a question, might be stupid but meh. If I uninstall eve and reinstall Trinity (non new graphics version cause I dont have DX10) from the link on the site, will It work, and not delete my boot.ini? That won't make any difference. If you are affected, it won't fix it and if you aren't affected it wont cause any problems. ---------- "Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."

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