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Zataaki GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:48:00 - [1831] Edited by: Zataaki on 07/12/2007 10:54:28 Originally by: PsyMan Originally by: Zataaki Originally by: PsyMan Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 10:31:37 Originally by: Zataaki I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover? One option you can try if you have access to another PC or Mac with a firewire port and a firewire cable is to plug a cable between the 2 machines and boot your mac while holding down T, this will start it in target disk mode and your hard drive will show up on the other machine as an external disk, you can then make the repair. Or of course you could boot it to your mac OS and repair it from the mac, I recommend to use textwrangler (free) to create a new boot.ini though as it will produce a nice clean file. I'm actually getting an error with hal.dll rather than boot.ini. If anything I will have to repair it from mac OS. My roommate has a pc with vista but we dont have firewire. I will boot camp my mac and see how the boot.ini file works on a mac partition, I believe the hal.dll problem is a direct result of a missing boot.ini file. In any case it shouldn't take long to do a skeleton install of windows xp and get back Awesome thanks, it's like 3 AM here and I'm gonna sleep but I'll check this thread again in the morning. edit: I forgot to mention my Windows partition is NTFS while it's usually FAT32 with bootcamp. I'm also using windows xp home edition service pack 2.
Malixu	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:50:00 - [1832] Originally by: Van Steiza well my comp is FINE but when i just turned it on ive done tht about 10 times now it said before it loaded into windows on the black screen invalid boot ini...OUT of no where. But it loads into windows all the same but i dunno how that could be im using an unaffected client. Any ideas? Sounds like you've got Windows XP SP2, and it's managing to recover from the lack of a boot.ini by using defaults. Try option A or B out of the e-mail CCP sent around, that should be able to restore your boot.ini and stop the warning message.
Miner Nine	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:53:00 - [1833] Originally by: Michelle Vega EULA 12. NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. --- So stop trying to split hairs. Just because you write something in the EULA, doesn't mean it actually holds up in court. If the End User Agreement says no warrenties but the program cause permanent damage to the user who did follow said companies instructions, their EULA won't protect CCP from legal action. But this mistake, while huge, doesn't fall under the 'permanent damage'. I do think CCP should do some sort of a apology. But Meh, luckly XP backup save me or I'll be a lot more upset about this. I was wondering what was wrong with my computer when I did the boot up and it had to boot from a previous backup.
Calm Breeze Gallente Lethal Strain Industries	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:07:00 - [1834] Does anyone know where I can get a boot ini file to copy onto a USB stick? Humanity is acquiring all the right technology for all the wrong reasons. R. Buckminster Fuller (1895 - 1983)
Cutter Pixx	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:10:00 - [1835] I agree with you whole heartedly, however you could go without the vulgarity. I answer the question and statements without swearing without need (or at all). I would have more respect for you if you did. Sorry Devick, I altered my post. I shouldn't have worded it as I did I am just annoyed with people thinking that because they weren't affected and they did such and such that everyone that does what they did are also safe... I to had been affected by the upgrade, loved all of it, while running it, until I heard about re starting my comp. Then I kinda freak out, for me though I have nortons back up installed , so it did not effect me the same as all the other players here, and I feel your discord in that matter, also I can not excuse ccp for thier total lack of control and monitoring either, in this matter,you can not RUSH quality control, no matter how hard you try.......... I also was on the night it went nuts here on the forums, and I must say I am ashamed of the lack of support.a major screw up on thier part, it took for ever to even here from a ccp rep, and that sickens me. We all agree ppl screw up, and that happens but this and the many people and friends I had to help fix thier computers, plus all the other ppl helping others fix thiers, and almost NO help from ccp, NOT RIGHT!!!!! I will never trust another upgrade or patch from them again, sorry, I know what thier contract stats, but after this ,I hope they look deeper into the FUTURE patches and upgrades. Also invest a bit into maybe a full system back up , some are free even, not the best , and xp has system restore as well , move back to a better install date. it was an accident none the less , the need for speed incident, I prey it does not happen again ccp is pushing to hard for thier out reached goals. I love it now that I got it to all work , yet we are paying for a service we are not getting as they state, we seem to have to work to make it be what they offer and make us pay , and that is not right , no matter how you spin it. any ways I hope you all recover from this inflicted error
XX XX	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:10:00 - [1836] Originally by: Miner Nine Originally by: Michelle Vega EULA 12. NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. --- So stop trying to split hairs. Just because you write something in the EULA, doesn't mean it actually holds up in court. If the End User Agreement says no warrenties but the program cause permanent damage to the user who did follow said companies instructions, their EULA won't protect CCP from legal action. But this mistake, while huge, doesn't fall under the 'permanent damage'. I do think CCP should do some sort of a apology. But Meh, luckly XP backup save me or I'll be a lot more upset about this. I was wondering what was wrong with my computer when I did the boot up and it had to boot from a previous backup. This is actually very true .. A contract will most likeley not hold up if it is to one sided. This is basically the same for al the games and such if u read them .. bottom line usually turns out to be that you have no rights what so ever and they have no liability. This might work fine in the US i presume as they seem to get away with just about anything there if u have a good actor of attorney to charm the jury.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:15:00 - [1837] If your missing the boot.ini file I think you can go to Microsoft, or you might just borrow a friends disk. I thought they had some links earlier. The EULA would not save them in the United States. This is a catastrophic error really. It is like you going to the doctor and he does surgery on the wrong limb which results in your death.... I hope CCP though will get it all fixed up. I'd be happy with just a few extra days added on to subscriptions to compensate :). PS: I'm at work right now :), I"m hoping my home puter is okay :(. It's the one with EVE. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Digitoxin	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:18:00 - [1838] Ok - well I downloaded the Trinity patch Wednesday night 23:00ish eve-time and upgraded to the new shiny graphics. Turned off my computer, all was good. Read the forums yesterday, realised there may be an issue, tried to turn comptuer back on. XP started, checked for boot file, not there. Did a system restore to Wednesday at a time before the patch. All seemed fine, was in game. Undocked, jumped one system, extreme lag then bam ! computer turns itself off and now when I turn it back on again nothing happens . I don't even get the processor logo come up on the screen or any signs that anything is happening inside - anyone got any idea what's happened and what I can do to save it? Please bear in mind I'm a complete computer n00b I use them lots but don't really know what's going on behind it all etc . Thanks
Michelle Vega	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:20:00 - [1839] Anything deliberate and harmful like spyware and such lose in court. Legitamte programs like microsoft, eve etc. that dont do deliberate harm would win anyone trying to sue them. So people should stop saying otherwise since obviously they have no prior experience with legitamte programs and court cases. In any case, this was unfortunate. People are mad. This is normal. Unfortunatly they have to take it out on someone since it seems impossible to realise they have accepted the EULA. Originally by: Jennifer Ashton Originally by: Michelle Vega EULA 12. NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. --- So stop trying to split hairs. I'd just like to say the "eula" on programs containing spyware programs says something similar... and there already have been a lot of successful lawsuits against those sort of people. This was a massive error and easily avoidable. Compensation is not optional in this case, no matter HOW you see it. Legally, morally, common sensically. (I made up a word there, so bah) :P
Maxus Cynus Perkone	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:26:00 - [1840] Originally by: Michelle Vega Anything deliberate and harmful like spyware and such lose in court. Legitamte programs like microsoft, eve etc. that dont do deliberate harm would win anyone trying to sue them. So people should stop saying otherwise since obviously they have no prior experience with legitamte programs and court cases. In any case, this was unfortunate. People are mad. This is normal. Unfortunatly they have to take it out on someone since it seems impossible to realise they have accepted the EULA. EULA doesn't cover criminal negligence which is clearly the case in this matter. EULA is not worth the paper or bits it's written on or in if it doesn't hold up to the laws.

Phony	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:27:00 - [1841] erhm.,...did the devs not test this? 50 man years spent on making eve a better place ..lol they scammed ccp for the overtime me thinks
Takumi Vetinari Amarr Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:31:00 - [1842] Originally by: Maxus Cynus EULA doesn't cover criminal negligence which is clearly the case in this matter. Please qualify this statement. -- Takumi Vetinari
Samurai XII	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:37:00 - [1843] If you guys want to sue them go ahead. THeir EULA won't last 5 minutes in a court of law. It has NEVER helped a company out before (except vs idiots). Same deal with 'weavers' they don't last long in a court of law. If you think signing a paper or pressing I AGREE means you can get ****/screwed/raped, THINK AGAIN**. ______________________ Just another cool alt.
Maxus Cynus Perkone	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:37:00 - [1844] Originally by: Takumi Vetinari Originally by: Maxus Cynus EULA doesn't cover criminal negligence which is clearly the case in this matter. Please qualify this statement. Not testing your software well enough to make sure it does not render the users system unusable. Causing criminal damage to your users property due to negligence in your testing and deployment. Criminal negligence.
hugh hephner	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:38:00 - [1845] running windows xp home edition sp2 and the boot.ini file wasnt deleted here. maybe its because on some systems its not a hidden file. on my system its a hidden file.
Michelle Vega	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:42:00 - [1846] Must be americans speaking. No wonder they were voted stupidest people on earth by europeans..
Takumi Vetinari Amarr Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:42:00 - [1847] Originally by: Maxus Cynus Not testing your software well enough to make sure it does not render the users system unusable. Causing criminal damage to your users property due to negligence in your testing and deployment. Criminal negligence. Inadvertantly wiping a file from a computer constitutes criminal damage, does it? Thank you for that clarification. I'll go look it up in UK case law now, I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to track down.
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:43:00 - [1848] I hate americans.. --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Syrette	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:46:00 - [1849] Best advice is to take patch day off and read about it out the next day. (EQ1)
Mung Lore DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:47:00 - [1850] Originally by: Eevul Rabbite Edited by: Eevul Rabbite on 06/12/2007 07:04:01 Edited by: Eevul Rabbite on 06/12/2007 06:57:54 Originally by: Kittamaru JUST AN UPDATE: Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine! As others have already said, this is NOT TRUE. All versions of NT/2k/XP/2003 are affected. However, you're "immune" to this bug if you have EVE installed on a different drive/partition than the system. I installed the new graphic pack on 2 desktops 2 laptops in my house, all was affected by the issue, all with out the boot.ini and all still immune. If you keep your computer up to date and have all the updates from M$ your computer will boot up with out the boot.ini, it will pop an error but only for a sec then it will boot just fine. For all your kiddies out there who says this isn't true then go back to school. All you need to do if you want to "fell" safe is just make a new file in your c: dir name boot.ini, and put the following in there from the DEV post. [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional Edition" /fastdetect The "Windows XP Professional Edition" can be rename to just about anything you wish, it just tells the user what OS you want to boot in to. Open up notepad, (if you don't know where notepad or what notepad is, do the following) 1) go find a big box 2) put your computer in side it 3) ship it back to where you got it Put that text above in the notepad, then goto file save as, nav to your c: dir (root) and save the file, it if as if you want to over right say no because you are not affected. But if it doesn't then you save the file and your done. to confirm you done it right, do the following, start -> run Type MSCONFIG after that has opened and you see a BOOT.INI tab in there your safe. Just writing this for all the people who do not know what to do. As CCP doesn't write clear cut how to on how to do this type of things.

Polinus	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:49:00 - [1851] Originally by: Van Steiza well my comp is FINE but when i just turned it on ive done tht about 10 times now it said before it loaded into windows on the black screen invalid boot ini...OUT of no where. But it loads into windows all the same but i dunno how that could be im using an unaffected client. Any ideas? Because you have your windows XP up to date with SP and M$ updates, as EVERYONE SHOULD BE. And since you are a good user that followed what microsoft told you do do you are imune.
Dameon Blackthorne	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:50:00 - [1852] Anyone who has access to a Knoppix/Red Hat/Boot CD will be fine. You can find the boot.ini.backup and rename it and place it in its rightful place at C:\ (or whatever yours may be). CCP screwed up, but anyone talking about filing suit just doesn't know that there are about a hundred ways to fix this. At least they didn't install the same patch on any system server-side... The main people that this affects negatively are people who don't have an XP boot disc, most of whom have an illegal copy of XP to begin with. Stop being so melodramatic. To anyone who got scared by this problem, make a boot disc of either WinXP or the free Knoppix. This Linux variant can run in almost any condition, because it's directly off of the CD. Then you can run any program to help yourself or your IT guru diagnose and fix any of your problems (in this case, rename and copy over boot.ini). Yes, this was a pain in the ass, but come on, guys, a little "test" every so often never hurt anyone. And if you haven't backed up your files recently, serves you right... --Dameon Blackthorne One with your nightmares. Feared by all, known by no one. Blend with darkness, gone. --Death's Guise
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:55:00 - [1853] Originally by: Haka Aragon Edited by: Haka Aragon on 07/12/2007 10:09:20 Originally by: Kagura Nikon NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!! If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations) You I am sorry to say are talking utter crap!! Just because you have all the patches from Mircrsoft does not mean you are immune... I work as a Tech Support rep for a computer firm in the UK and we tested this out with EVERY RELEASE of Windows XP (Home/Pro/Media Centre/64Bit) and we installed all the Microsoft updates that were available on these systems as if they were going out to customers and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was affected by this... If you dont know what you are talking about please do all the people that are looking for help on this situation a favour and leave the topic for others to help people in until you get a clue... No.. YOU are talking CRAP. A can for example go and delete boot.ini myself, manually. Or any other way. And The windows XP with SP 2 WILL BOOT PROPERLY. I tested it in 4 machines. Windows Service pack 2 do not NEED BOOT.INI. That is a FACT! Was introduced exactly because several viruses delete this file. It uses boot.ini only to extract extra boot parameters. The eve bug would delete the boot.ini but that would cause NO PROBLEMS DURING BOOT! Oh, btw if you want to wave e-peen as "work as techynical support, so I know better", wel lI have a Master Degree On Operating Systems, so I HARDLY need to get a clue. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:56:00 - [1854] Originally by: Takumi Vetinari Originally by: Maxus Cynus Not testing your software well enough to make sure it does not render the users system unusable. Causing criminal damage to your users property due to negligence in your testing and deployment. Criminal negligence. Inadvertantly wiping a file from a computer constitutes criminal damage, does it? Thank you for that clarification. I'll go look it up in UK case law now, I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to track down. True, but the worst subsequent damage is the repair bill from the tech that restored your boot.ini and likely to be the only part CCP would be sentenced to to pay in european courts. Data loss is caused by incompetent people trying to repair your/their pc. Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:59:00 - [1855] Originally by: Kagura Nikon I tested it in 4 machines. Windows Service pack 2 do not NEED BOOT.INI. That is a FACT! Was introduced exactly because several viruses delete this file. It uses boot.ini only to extract extra boot parameters. The eve bug would delete the boot.ini but that would cause NO PROBLEMS DURING BOOT! Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts. Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Takumi Vetinari Amarr Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:02:00 - [1856] Edited by: Takumi Vetinari on 07/12/2007 12:03:46 Originally by: Washell Olivaw Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts. Is it not reasonable to surmise that anyone doing that knows what they are doing and, in all likelihood, have the wherewithal to fix it?
Slain Limbo	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:03:00 - [1857] On the positive side, did anyone else notice the distinct lack of macro miners in the game after the patches...?
Valora Grear Tau Ceti Global Production Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:03:00 - [1858] Wow this is epic. Your update wipes my boot.ini and causes a driver error that forces a restart, if I had installed this on time; which I would have but a storm shut off my power for 2 days, I'd be pretty ***ed right now. What's best I get the driver error right as I'm reading about the not booting... courtesy of www.flickr.com I hate the jpeg format...
BoBxGIM	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:08:00 - [1859] I have to say I'm surprised the reaction to the situation here. I suppose I felt that most, if not all players here had more then basic skills at "tinkering" with basic OS systems files etc. I read the information and went right to the root directory (which I always set to show hidden files) did a search to find the backup I knew was somewhere in the windows directory and copied it back, and made a backup copy in root for next time Also I've not seen anyone mention booting to safe mode and creating it by edit through command prompt. It's too bad that Windows have so disconnected the new user from even seeing those areas. Basic install has warnings of dire consequences about even entering the windows directory. the average new user never learns these skills. So much for High Tech. BoBx
GACHERU	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:09:00 - [1860] Can i just say, for some reason the having the sound on with eve makes me blue screen....i discovered this after it B/S twice. Good thing is my eve is on the other partioned drive which....i am correct in thinking that makes me safe and immune?



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