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Thargat
Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:24:00 -
[1801]
Edited by: Thargat on 07/12/2007 09:27:10
Originally by: Ting Tong Edited by: Ting Tong on 07/12/2007 09:18:06
Installed Premium upgrade before 4am.
Applied Patch
Turned comp off after.
Boot.ini file is deleted, windows will not load.
My computer is an off the shelf with windows pre-installed, (No Windows disc)
I have no-where to recover a copy of boot.ini.
How do I recover from this with no windows disc?
(Edit) Posting from my work comp not on XP
Ask your PC vendor (or a friend) for a windows CD, worst case... install a new windows (or LINUX it's freee) in a different folder on the same computer (do not format or anything else). The computer should start up with no dataloss (everything will look different though). Check under C: and make sure the boot.ini is there (if it's not, create one following CCPs simple steps). Edit it or to have it point towards your old windows (the one under C:\WINDOWS) reboot and all should be fine...
option2: Remove the HDD from your computer, insert it into another computer (anywhere with windowsXP or vista) as a secondary drive. Start the computer up and copy the boot.ini from the "new" computer (or the internet) to your old HDD. Re insert the HDD to your computer and all should be fine (no dataloss).
edit: you obviously are on a computer now, you can always download a boot.ini from the web or write your own (or download a linux for free).
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DaarMaar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Stork DK So was there a CCP statement as of what actually happened?
yeah.. like i give a damn
whatever and whoever srcrewd it up it's of no importance, as much is the fact that we now have 71+ pages in this topic. Once again i'm more than amazed how huge and aware this community is.
I salute you guys for not been afraid to state your emotions, but also i salute you all for getting together and help each other out with posting about different solutions for all kinds of operating systems ppl might have regarding this issue. You boys and girls are my heroes..
eve-online COMMUNITY FTW!
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Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:31:00 -
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Thargat...thankyou for your suggestions.
I do have the 5 recovery discs that are created when the comp is first switched on. I can get to a DOS prompt in the recovery function, how do I create a new partition / drive?
Hell, I dont even know how I can install Windows to that new drive :?
I will just have to obtain a windows disc from someone Unfortunatly, I am in the sticks and will not get to the town untill next week. Can a Windows disc be borrowed from a library?
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:34:00 -
[1804]
Have you looked here?

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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:35:00 -
[1805]
Originally by: Toarch Lightbringer There is something called due dilligance, I really don't think this was followed here. Because if it was installed even on one Windows Machine with XP, which I assume a great number of their subscribers use, they would of found this tiny blunder. As well to have somebody post about it previous and only get blasted about being in the wrong thread. You would also assume that people with common sense would have forward that 'critical' information to the game developers.
I have been trying hard to get a friend to play this game and all he can do is show me many time's when dev's have used exploits for their friends benefits, all be it they have been released from CCP, and now something as basic as using a windows system file name as a gaming file name. Is that not programing 101 on the top 5 things not to do??? I was in a panic this morning as I did not reboot my machine, my friend (remember I was trying to get a guy to play this game??) forwarded me a link to slash dot about my Eve and the effects last night patch may have had on my machine. I looked for a number to call, a live chat to join, or surf this forum to find the answer. And I could not. I had to rely in him and myself to find the answers, pull the plug on my PC and Prey it came back up again.
Will I quit playing this game?? Probably not, do I feel that some sort of compensation should be given back to the community?? Absolutely. Some sort of 'token' compensation would go a long way to eleviate some of the just concerns people have and the trust that was lost in part by following simple, upgrading protocols. 
NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!!
If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations)
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |

Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:47:00 -
[1806]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Toarch Lightbringer There is something called due dilligance, I really don't think this was followed here. Because if it was installed even on one Windows Machine with XP, which I assume a great number of their subscribers use, they would of found this tiny blunder. As well to have somebody post about it previous and only get blasted about being in the wrong thread. You would also assume that people with common sense would have forward that 'critical' information to the game developers.
I have been trying hard to get a friend to play this game and all he can do is show me many time's when dev's have used exploits for their friends benefits, all be it they have been released from CCP, and now something as basic as using a windows system file name as a gaming file name. Is that not programing 101 on the top 5 things not to do??? I was in a panic this morning as I did not reboot my machine, my friend (remember I was trying to get a guy to play this game??) forwarded me a link to slash dot about my Eve and the effects last night patch may have had on my machine. I looked for a number to call, a live chat to join, or surf this forum to find the answer. And I could not. I had to rely in him and myself to find the answers, pull the plug on my PC and Prey it came back up again.
Will I quit playing this game?? Probably not, do I feel that some sort of compensation should be given back to the community?? Absolutely. Some sort of 'token' compensation would go a long way to eleviate some of the just concerns people have and the trust that was lost in part by following simple, upgrading protocols. 
NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!!
If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations)
You really want to know why the Dev/QA most likely missed this issue (besides ignoring that testers posts) is who tests a game by restarting their system? Lets be honest, when I write program I do not test them with a windows/linux reboot. Thanks.
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Cephelo
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:50:00 -
[1807]
Hi there in the wide world of screwed up EVE. Has anyone found that after leaving any station your eve Premium Graphics program suffers from a unexpected problem and needs to shut down?
Well I did last night so I downloaded to whole client this morning for a re-install but still suffer a problem when in space, I have a Rifter in mid-jump trying to get to it's destination.
Has anyone got any sugestions? 
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Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mallikanth Have you looked here?
I have looked there and called the help number, unfortunatly as I have turned my computer off, and I do not have a Windows CD, he was no able to help me. All he said was I would have to be able to get a Disc so I can copythe file over....
Basiacally the helpline, was not able to help
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Haka Aragon
Caldari F.M.J. operations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:58:00 -
[1809]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!!
If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations)
You I am sorry to say are talking utter BULLSH*T!!
Just because you have all the patches from Mircrsoft does not mean you are immune... I work as a Tech Support rep for a computer firm in the UK and we tested this out with EVERY RELEASE of Windows XP (Home/Pro/Media Centre/64Bit) and we installed all the Microsoft updates that were available on these systems as if they were going out to customers and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was affected by this...
If you dont know what you are talking about please do all the people that are looking for help on this situation a favour and STFU until you get a clue... _
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Thargat
Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:58:00 -
[1810]
Originally by: Ting Tong
Originally by: Mallikanth Have you looked here?
I have looked there and called the help number, unfortunatly as I have turned my computer off, and I do not have a Windows CD, he was no able to help me. All he said was I would have to be able to get a Disc so I can copythe file over....
Basiacally the helpline, was not able to help
Get a boot.ini file and put it on a USB stick (from the web). then go here http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html make a linux bootable CD and start up your PC with it. Insert the USB stick (or similar) and copy the boot.ini file to your c: remove the linux cd/dvd and restart.
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |

Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:59:00 -
[1811]
Thargat..will do.
Many thanks.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:01:00 -
[1812]
Originally by: Ting Tong
Originally by: Mallikanth Have you looked here?
I have looked there and called the help number, unfortunatly as I have turned my computer off, and I do not have a Windows CD, he was no able to help me. All he said was I would have to be able to get a Disc so I can copythe file over....
Basiacally the helpline, was not able to help
Try using a LiveCD such as knoppix. Only difficulty you will get is with finding the harddrive that is your windows one. Usually its the hd? with the WINDOWS folder on it. Just use the instructions listed prior in this post to go from /WINDOWS/ or whatnot to find the boot.ini.backup and then copy it to the / location on the HD? drive usually its HDA depending on where on the IDE it is. Unfortunately unless I saw the system I cannot give exact locations. Sorry I cannot be of any more help.
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Devick Baalreth
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:03:00 -
[1813]
Originally by: Haka Aragon
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!!
If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations)
You I am sorry to say are talking utter BULLSH*T!!
Just because you have all the patches from Mircrsoft does not mean you are immune... I work as a Tech Support rep for a computer firm in the UK and we tested this out with EVERY RELEASE of Windows XP (Home/Pro/Media Centre/64Bit) and we installed all the Microsoft updates that were available on these systems as if they were going out to customers and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was affected by this...
If you dont know what you are talking about please do all the people that are looking for help on this situation a favour and STFU until you get a clue...
I agree with you whole heartedly, however you could go without the vulgarity. I answer the question and statements without swearing without need (or at all). I would have more respect for you if you did. ____________________________________ Must give Credit to this signature's creator, its awesome.
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Nelson Vandermark
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:09:00 -
[1814]
Hey where do I send my 120$ Invoice from my computer repair place since I had to get them to rebuild the system because I only play games?
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Haka Aragon
Caldari F.M.J. operations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:12:00 -
[1815]
Originally by: Devick Baalreth
I agree with you whole heartedly, however you could go without the vulgarity. I answer the question and statements without swearing without need (or at all). I would have more respect for you if you did.
Sorry Devick, I altered my post.
I shouldn't have worded it as I did I am just annoyed with people thinking that because they weren't affected and they did such and such that everyone that does what they did are also safe... _
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:12:00 -
[1816]
Originally by: Nelson Vandermark Hey where do I send my 120$ Invoice from my computer repair place since I had to get them to rebuild the system because I only play games?
Nobody, unfortunately its AS IS. Which means you accepted risk upon install. Sometimes getting a solution that goes above and beyond of immediately sending to a TECH or calling a TECH need to be done first. Ample instructions where given to repair it. I read most of it and its pretty solid on most accounts.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:14:00 -
[1817]
Edited by: Devick Bane on 07/12/2007 10:15:07
Originally by: Haka Aragon
Originally by: Devick Baalreth
I agree with you whole heartedly, however you could go without the vulgarity. I answer the question and statements without swearing without need (or at all). I would have more respect for you if you did.
Sorry Devick, I altered my post.
I shouldn't have worded it as I did I am just annoyed with people thinking that because they weren't affected and they did such and such that everyone that does what they did are also safe...
Thats fine, we all have our moments and its not as if you where beyond saving. I just prefer reader safe ones. Words win wars, resorting to vulgar words means you're at the bottom of the clip with no more ammo.
Crap is a decent word, its not bad and gets the point across, like the reword at the bottom as well.
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giddymochug
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:16:00 -
[1818]
so is it safe to install now? hehe
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Ader
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:21:00 -
[1819]
Originally by: giddymochug so is it safe to install now? hehe
Yes I belive its been like that for a long time, unless you have downloaded file long time ago.. or havent rebooted you comp. yet (as I have, prolly will not reboot for another 10days anyway.)
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Zataaki
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:22:00 -
[1820]
I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover?
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PsyMan
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:28:00 -
[1821]
Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 10:31:37
Originally by: Zataaki I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover?
One option you can try if you have access to another PC or Mac with a firewire port and a firewire cable is to plug a cable between the 2 machines and boot your mac while holding down T, this will start it in target disk mode and your hard drive will show up on the other machine as an external disk, you can then make the repair. Or of course you could boot it to your mac OS and repair it from the mac, I recommend to use textwrangler (free) to create a new boot.ini though as it will produce a nice clean file.
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Zandev
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: giddymochug so is it safe to install now? hehe
Yes and no.
It should be safe to download and install now.
However, do note that I got hit by this bug *after* CCP had fixed it, as the Eve background downloader had grabbed the patch before the fix.
Thus, be careful, and make sure that you are installing the fixed version.
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Maxus Cynus
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:34:00 -
[1823]
Well this confirms that I shouldn't resubscribe even for a month to check out this "awesome" new update.
Regarding the EULA, in Iceland you can NOT waive your legally guarded rights so the EULA will not make CCP exempt from the damage they have caused. However the blame culture has not yet, thankfully, seeped into the national psyche here.
However the same may be true in other European countries, the EULA is not a carte blanche for CCP to mess up your PC.
If CCP think that they can hide behind their EULA they are perhaps going to find out the hard way that the world doesn't work like that. They better compensate their users even if it will cost them millions of Euros because the alternative will be millions more of Euros.
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Zataaki
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:34:00 -
[1824]
Originally by: PsyMan Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 10:31:37
Originally by: Zataaki I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover?
One option you can try if you have access to another PC or Mac with a firewire port and a firewire cable is to plug a cable between the 2 machines and boot your mac while holding down T, this will start it in target disk mode and your hard drive will show up on the other machine as an external disk, you can then make the repair. Or of course you could boot it to your mac OS and repair it from the mac, I recommend to use textwrangler (free) to create a new boot.ini though as it will produce a nice clean file.
I'm actually getting an error with hal.dll rather than boot.ini. If anything I will have to repair it from mac OS. My roommate has a pc with vista but we dont have firewire.
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Michelle Vega
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:41:00 -
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EULA
12. NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
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Van Steiza
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:43:00 -
[1826]
well my comp is FINE but when i just turned it on ive done tht about 10 times now it said before it loaded into windows on the black screen invalid boot ini...OUT of no where. But it loads into windows all the same but i dunno how that could be im using an unaffected client. Any ideas?
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PsyMan
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:45:00 -
[1827]
Originally by: Zataaki
Originally by: PsyMan Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 10:31:37
Originally by: Zataaki I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover?
One option you can try if you have access to another PC or Mac with a firewire port and a firewire cable is to plug a cable between the 2 machines and boot your mac while holding down T, this will start it in target disk mode and your hard drive will show up on the other machine as an external disk, you can then make the repair. Or of course you could boot it to your mac OS and repair it from the mac, I recommend to use textwrangler (free) to create a new boot.ini though as it will produce a nice clean file.
I'm actually getting an error with hal.dll rather than boot.ini. If anything I will have to repair it from mac OS. My roommate has a pc with vista but we dont have firewire.
I will boot camp my mac and see how the boot.ini file works on a mac partition, I believe the hal.dll problem is a direct result of a missing boot.ini file. In any case it shouldn't take long to do a skeleton install of windows xp and get back |

Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:46:00 -
[1828]
Originally by: Ting Tong Edited by: Ting Tong on 07/12/2007 09:18:06
Installed Premium upgrade before 4am.
Applied Patch
Turned comp off after.
Boot.ini file is deleted, windows will not load.
My computer is an off the shelf with windows pre-installed, (No Windows disc)
I have no-where to recover a copy of boot.ini.
How do I recover from this with no windows disc?
(Edit) Posting from my work comp not on XP
You could try a live Linux CD such as Knoppix: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
However that's only really of use if you're fairly technical, or can find someone technically minded. Your best bet is to ask around at work for anyone with a Windows XP CD you can borrow. Your IT support people may even be willing to do the fix for you (show them the e-mail from the devs, it gives clear instructions) if you bring in your computer and possibly offer cookies (I would, anyway).
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Takumi Vetinari
Amarr Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:46:00 -
[1829]
Originally by: Maxus Cynus If CCP think that they can hide behind their EULA they are perhaps going to find out the hard way that the world doesn't work like that. They better compensate their users even if it will cost them millions of Euros because the alternative will be millions more of Euros.
I imagine the likelihood of someone starting a class action suit to test this theory tends to zero.
Meanwhile, the rake of people sueing, presumably for the ú30 PCworld will charge to fix it, will surely let us know how they get on in the small claims court.
For what it's worth, a standard config XP SP2, surely the demographic most of us fall into, seems to have deftly avoided the issue by booting regardless of boot.ini problems. |

Jennifer Ashton
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:48:00 -
[1830]
Originally by: Michelle Vega EULA
12. NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
--- So stop trying to split hairs.
I'd just like to say the "eula" on programs containing spyware programs says something similar... and there already have been a lot of successful lawsuits against those sort of people. This was a massive error and easily avoidable. Compensation is not optional in this case, no matter HOW you see it. Legally, morally, common sensically. (I made up a word there, so bah) :P
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