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Noel Edmunds	Posted - 2007.12.30 02:57:00 - [121] This is nothing but an exploit that should be removed. Let's hope CCP get their finger out and sort this. I think corps should be locked into alliances when they are war dec'd....stop all those little whingers running off.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.30 03:03:00 - [122] Originally by: Phoebus Athenian Cool idea... Expect your alliance to get a whole lot of wardecs though :P I think that was the idea in the first place ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.30 03:14:00 - [123] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 30/12/2007 03:17:44 Originally by: cheese monkey How many whiners already? lol Eve should be all about choice surely?! i mean at the end of the day if someone was in a corp that had been war dec'd they could just leave to an NPC corp for a week(holiday). Yes..it's called cowardice. EVE is promoted as a dark and harsh world. It's hardly that when you carebears can hide in high sec, and leave a corp as soon as it is war decced. Seems that CCP would rather follow the Blizzard example of getting as many subscribers as possible, rather than the crazy idea of producing an innovative game. Money talks...bull**** walks. Edit..no surprise you're in KIA. Remember when we tried to pay you to fight CI The quote was "We will never fight you with even numbers"...go girl
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.30 03:52:00 - [124] what is amusing is watching people who hid behind empire wars and the reasoning 'i just want targets' and actually popping haulers are now screaming 'exploit! this is not fair!' great idea. empire war dec'ers, you got your targets. stop your whining and put your pvp where your mouth is. I <3 empire.. usually.
Dominique Vasilkovsky HOW Industries	Posted - 2007.12.30 04:47:00 - [125] Sweet, with your service no empire POS need defences as the stront will last for more than the needed 24h. Signature approved by Eldo
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2007.12.30 04:53:00 - [126] finally something to unite carebears and hardcore pvpers :) its a win win situation for all \o/ especially since ccp will be forced to come up with a useful wardec system now. (im pretty sure this was the real reason why imune was founded )
Methem interimo	Posted - 2007.12.30 05:48:00 - [127] If you pay for a full week of war against a corp, you should get that. This alliance's only purpose is to circumvent the war and screw you out of your isk. It would be nice to see the mechanics changed where the corp cant leave the alliance for a period of time (a week?). I doubt this will get fixed though, because it benefits carebears.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.30 06:50:00 - [128] I'm lovin' the sound of this.
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:20:00 - [129] Hmmm do carebears who applaud at this realize that when you join an Alliance, you suddenly get ALL the wars the Alliance has on? And you can get immediately shot? Okay, keep celebrating your "smartness" till you realize the actual purpose of this is not helping you. Quite the contrary. Good luck with iMune, you are gonna need it _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2007.12.30 11:18:00 - [130] Originally by: Dominique Vasilkovsky Sweet, with your service no empire POS need defences as the stront will last for more than the needed 24h. Which is why it's a borderline exploit, it's not benefitting anyone, except those who's sole desire is to play eve without risk. It's kind of funny to see how certain people who post in this forum "Welcome to eve noob" "Eve's not fair" "g2bWoW" etc. are actually agreeing with this idea. It won't stop people who want to gank haulers all day, there are always more fish in the sea, and if you don't care about who you are against, except that they are juicy targets, then it's likely you'll just move on and dec another corp you have voted for. It won't damage the funds of war deccing corps either. If I want to dec iMune I'll just find a 0.0 carebear alt corp and dec it. iMune war for 2mil. The alliance history will also show you who will run and hide in iMune. As for 'enjoying' the iMune war, I very much doubt it. If you've ever decced an alliance that's full of people who sit in dock all day then I suggest you do, and then you'll want your 50 million and week back. It also seems to me that it could be used to shelter griefers and corp theives. Deccing that guys corp that just cleaned out your corp hanger? Decced that small ore thief corp that keeps flipping your cans so you can deal with them? Sorry, hes now "iMune" and now your corp has to stay docked for the next 24 hours. It also removes the 'revenge' aspect of eve that I enjoy. You should read some of Nexa's stories on eve-pirate. Such as the EMP one. An EMP guy stole a cap booster from a TRAPs can, attempting to steal faction loot from them, he then got blown up and smacked. As a result, TRAPs decced EMP. Surely they would just join iMune if they were around, and get out scot free. iMune will stop drama and stories like this, which for me 'makes eve'. It's awesome reading about corps that pay for their members actions. --- I've always wondered about those Vagabond pilots...
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.30 11:27:00 - [131] just because you are war dec a corporation does not mean you are assured of combat. non-consensual pvp is not a guarantee any more than protection from such
Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.30 11:39:00 - [132] I would just like to say that I endorse this idea whole heartedly and will be joining iMune with my corp so we can pew pew gainst these PvP corps that are war deccing miners. Anyone who wants free war dec's vs 5 - 10 corps feel free to join, recruitment is open.
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2007.12.30 11:54:00 - [133] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda just because you are war dec a corporation does not mean you are assured of combat. non-consensual pvp is not a guarantee any more than protection from such The issue with this is that highsec POS are now completely "iMune". Corporations already could avoid war by leaving an alt to hold it open and all leaving for an NPC corp until it brushes over, this is not new and is apparently an intended feature. If they had a POS in this case, they would have to take it down if they wanted to save it, which at least disrupts whatever they were doing with the POS. Contrary to popular carebear belief, there are tactical reasons to deccing a corp other than "to gank miners". --- I've always wondered about those Vagabond pilots...
K1773R Caldari x13	Posted - 2007.12.30 12:20:00 - [134] awesome idea, free wars for those who want it and 24 hour wars for those who dont want it you cant have absolutely no wars! then this game would be WOW'y keep up the good work guys, nice to see you at it again ----------------------------------------------- 6+6 = drunk 12+12 = more drunk
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.30 14:18:00 - [135] Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: Galsia Yovinda just because you are war dec a corporation does not mean you are assured of combat. non-consensual pvp is not a guarantee any more than protection from such The issue with this is that highsec POS are now completely "iMune". Corporations already could avoid war by leaving an alt to hold it open and all leaving for an NPC corp until it brushes over, this is not new and is apparently an intended feature. If they had a POS in this case, they would have to take it down if they wanted to save it, which at least disrupts whatever they were doing with the POS. Contrary to popular carebear belief, there are tactical reasons to deccing a corp other than "to gank miners". and? As is, they can force a research/industrial corporation to halt operations due to a silly war dec. Now they have a way around that. You want to dec a corp and take out their pos, you got 24hrs to do it in.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.30 14:48:00 - [136] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda and? As is, they can force a research/industrial corporation to halt operations due to a silly war dec. Now they have a way around that. You want to dec a corp and take out their pos, you got 24hrs to do it in. Which, of course, makes it impossible as long as there is stront in the POS. Do you know anything about taking down a POS? If not, STFU.
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.30 19:35:00 - [137] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Galsia Yovinda and? As is, they can force a research/industrial corporation to halt operations due to a silly war dec. Now they have a way around that. You want to dec a corp and take out their pos, you got 24hrs to do it in. Which, of course, makes it impossible as long as there is stront in the POS. Do you know anything about taking down a POS? If not, STFU. So, if you want high sec POS warfare you better get a fleet big enough to pop it. It doesn't matter how long, they can eaisly have an alt there with the corp hangar array dropping fuel in as needed. target POS in space where you can use the ships built to take them out, otherwise better call a lot of friends along to play because you'll need the firepower
Uagen Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.12.30 19:36:00 - [138] We love the idea.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.30 20:09:00 - [139] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda So, if you want high sec POS warfare you better get a fleet big enough to pop it. It doesn't matter how long, they can eaisly have an alt there with the corp hangar array dropping fuel in as needed. target POS in space where you can use the ships built to take them out, otherwise better call a lot of friends along to play because you'll need the firepower What part of "Do you know anything about taking down a POS? If not, STFU." don't you understand? It doesn't matter how many ships anyone have. As long as there is stront in the POS (which is standard MO for anyone with a brain) it is impossible to take it down within 24 hours. I'll give you an example that might make you understand if you still don't: Say BoB, Goons, RA, -A-, Tri, RZR and IAC got really ****ed off at my corp. It turns out we have a POS in high sec, so all those alliances muster all of their fleets to take it out. They end up with about 3000 BS and start shooting the POS. It is quickly put into reinforced. As my corp joined and left iMune, the war ends 24 hours after the POS is put into reinforced. The reinforced timer runs out, and the 3000 BS turns up again to finish it up. They all get Concorded as we are no longer at war. Me and my corp scoop all the loot, recharge our POS and laugh merrily. Does this make it any clearer for you?
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.30 20:28:00 - [140] Edited by: Galsia Yovinda on 30/12/2007 20:28:36 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Galsia Yovinda So, if you want high sec POS warfare you better get a fleet big enough to pop it. It doesn't matter how long, they can eaisly have an alt there with the corp hangar array dropping fuel in as needed. target POS in space where you can use the ships built to take them out, otherwise better call a lot of friends along to play because you'll need the firepower What part of "Do you know anything about taking down a POS? If not, STFU." don't you understand? It doesn't matter how many ships anyone have. As long as there is stront in the POS (which is standard MO for anyone with a brain) it is impossible to take it down within 24 hours. I'll give you an example that might make you understand if you still don't: Say BoB, Goons, RA, -A-, Tri, RZR and IAC got really ****ed off at my corp. It turns out we have a POS in high sec, so all those alliances muster all of their fleets to take it out. They end up with about 3000 BS and start shooting the POS. It is quickly put into reinforced. As my corp joined and left iMune, the war ends 24 hours after the POS is put into reinforced. The reinforced timer runs out, and the 3000 BS turns up again to finish it up. They all get Concorded as we are no longer at war. Me and my corp scoop all the loot, recharge our POS and laugh merrily. Does this make it any clearer for you? What part of engage in space where you can pop them regardless of a wardec did you not understand. Pestering the ones you can bring a dead out to pound chuckles And you got 24 hours while they join the alliance and a 24hour countdown when they leave. 48 hours.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.30 20:38:00 - [141] Edited by: Ki An on 30/12/2007 20:38:42 Originally by: Galsia Yovinda What part of engage in space where you can pop them regardless of a wardec did you not understand. Pestering the ones you can bring a dead out to pound chuckles And you got 24 hours while they join the alliance and a 24hour countdown when they leave. 48 hours. First, I have a hard time understanding what you are writing. English not your first language, is it? Second, we are talking about the immunity of high sec POSes here, and the problem that presents. To say "just go to low sec instead" contributes nothing to that argument, and is a strawman, hence, stfu. Third, no you've got 24 hours, as a corp joining iMune will do so when they get the war dec mail. It takes 24 hours for them to join the alliance, so they will join just as the war starts. The only possible pew pew can come during the 24 hours after the war becomes active and they have hit "leave alliance". So, it's 24 hours. Fourth... Look, if you don't know what you're talking about there's no point in you replying at all. Go read some threads in "New Citizen's Q&A and get some experience playing Eve before trying to comment on game mechanics.
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.30 20:51:00 - [142] Edited by: Galsia Yovinda on 30/12/2007 20:54:59 Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 30/12/2007 20:38:42 Originally by: Galsia Yovinda What part of engage in space where you can pop them regardless of a wardec did you not understand. Pestering the ones you can bring a dead out to pound chuckles And you got 24 hours while they join the alliance and a 24hour countdown when they leave. 48 hours. First, I have a hard time understanding what you are writing. English not your first language, is it? Second, we are talking about the immunity of high sec POSes here, and the problem that presents. To say "just go to low sec instead" contributes nothing to that argument, and is a strawman, hence, stfu. Third, no you've got 24 hours, as a corp joining iMune will do so when they get the war dec mail. It takes 24 hours for them to join the alliance, so they will join just as the war starts. The only possible pew pew can come during the 24 hours after the war becomes active and they have hit "leave alliance". So, it's 24 hours. Fourth... Look, if you don't know what you're talking about there's no point in you replying at all. Go read some threads in "New Citizen's Q&A and get some experience playing Eve before trying to comment on game mechanics. The application to join takes 24 to take effect if it accepted immediately, the leaving takes an additional 24hrs. there will be a period of extra time between the join and leave. But to be blunt: high sec pos warfare is dead, you want to pop stations head to low sec. Always has been, all they have to do is pull it in. Stops the research and invention for 48 hours (till they activate an alt corporation with the same standings if they plan ahead). Or if they form an alliance they can simply have the research division leave and rejoin afterward (or if wardeced thye can rejoin and transfer it to the alliance and leave again) Hell I know a couple research only corps that have 2 alt corps with the standings ready to go, just have to join them and deploy the stations. PS: it's not hard to have a hangar array full of fuel on empire stations and alts logged out at the station to fuel it. Even ones in transports with extra fuel.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.30 21:03:00 - [143] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda The application to join takes 24 to take effect if it accepted immediately, the leaving takes an additional 24hrs. Yes, and declaring a war takes 24 hours for the vote and another 24 hours after the mail goes out. Originally by: Galsia Yovinda there will be a period of extra time between the join and leave. This time might be as little as 10 seconds. Hardly enough to say this is all ok. Originally by: Galsia Yovinda But to be blunt: high sec pos warfare is dead, you want to pop stations head to low sec. High sec POS warfare has never existed. Taking out high sec POSes happens often enough. However, by using the 'service' rendered by iMune, no high sec POS ever has to go 'pop' again. Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Always has been, all they have to do is pull it in. Stops the research and invention for 48 hours (till they activate an alt corporation with the same standings if they plan ahead). It stops research and invention. It takes them time, costs them isk and there is the possibility that the moon might be occupied when they come back (might have been the point of the war in the first place) That's often the point of it. With iMune, that doesn't have to happen. Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Or if they form an alliance they can simply have the research division leave and rejoin afterward (or if wardeced thye can rejoin and transfer it to the alliance and leave again) Not a lot of corps have 1 bil just laying around to form an alliance just because of a war dec. Even if they did, it would still cost them a bil, as opposed to 'nothing' with iMune. Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Hell I know a couple research only corps that have 2 alt corps with the standings ready to go, just have to join them and deploy the stations. Again, takes time, isk and has the possibility of back firing. All of this is redundant with iMune. Originally by: Galsia Yovinda PS: it's not hard to have a hangar array full of fuel on empire stations and alts logged out at the station to fuel it. Even ones in transports with extra fuel. This has nothing to do with anything I have argued at all.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2007.12.30 23:07:00 - [144] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Yes..it's called cowardice. EVE is promoted as a dark and harsh world. It's hardly that when you carebears can hide in high sec, and leave a corp as soon as it is war decced. Seems that CCP would rather follow the Blizzard example of getting as many subscribers as possible, rather than the crazy idea of producing an innovative game. Money talks...bull**** walks. Edit..no surprise you're in KIA. Remember when we tried to pay you to fight CI The quote was "We will never fight you with even numbers"...go girl i've got to wonder if you'd be so enthused about coercing people who aren't interested in pvp into pvp if it was running the other way. let's say there was a game mechanic that forced you the pvp guy into being locked into mining for weeks at a time. every time you logged into the game you're fittings got changed out to mining lasers and the only places you could go were belts etc. would rather spoil your fun wouldn't it? course since it's not your fun getting spoiled i guess that doesn't matter to you.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.30 23:09:00 - [145] Originally by: Ehranavaar i've got to wonder if you'd be so enthused about coercing people who aren't interested in pvp into pvp if it was running the other way. let's say there was a game mechanic that forced you the pvp guy into being locked into mining for weeks at a time. every time you logged into the game you're fittings got changed out to mining lasers and the only places you could go were belts etc. would rather spoil your fun wouldn't it? course since it's not your fun getting spoiled i guess that doesn't matter to you. Translation = Eve should have a PvP flag. Don't deny it.
Casino Alkasar Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.30 23:29:00 - [146] Ba! not so great a cheap dodge where diplomatics should have solved it. In my eyes the more realistic teH better _________________ itze mine
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.31 06:55:00 - [147] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda just because you are war dec a corporation does not mean you are assured of combat. non-consensual pvp is not a guarantee any more than protection from such couldn't agree more. qf(absolute)t I <3 empire.. usually.
Ashley Snow Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.12.31 08:07:00 - [148] I 110% support this!! Its an awesome idea!! I think the biggest problem with eve is not ccp!!(thats second) Its the players in eve. Cause everyone has to cry about everything!! If they dont like its an exploit!! Oh well!! This is a great idea and I wish I would have come up with it myself!!! Good work!
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:43:00 - [149] Originally by: Cain Bloodlust Originally by: Tzar'rim That's rather smart. Win-win for both parties, no more war for those who don't want it and free targets for those who do. Excelent, and so very much in the spirit of EVE :) EVE features non-consentual PVP, so no, this is not in the "spirit of EVE". Don't get me wrong, I still think this is clever and very cool. EVE features non-consentual PvP, so the aggressor may end up with a target they did not intend to wardec... sounds like "the spirit of EVE" alright!
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:45:00 - [150] Originally by: Ashley Snow I 110% support this!! Its an awesome idea!! I think the biggest problem with eve is not ccp!!(thats second) Its the players in eve. Cause everyone has to cry about everything!! If they dont like its an exploit!! Oh well!! This is a great idea and I wish I would have come up with it myself!!! Good work! So if I had an invincible POS you wouldn't think that was an exploit? --- I've always wondered about those Vagabond pilots...

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