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Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.31 12:26:00 - [151] Originally by: Suitonia So if I had an invincible POS you wouldn't think that was an exploit? I'd say it pointless to argue with the supporters of this idea. These are the people who have migrated from WoW, and who wish for a PvP flag in Eve more than anything else. Eve is getting more carebear friendly every day. Until CCP fixes this blatant oversight, the only thing you can do is to be as vindictive as possible. Hound the players using this 'service' as much as you can. Steal their ore. Suicide gank them. Declare war on them at every opportunity.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.31 12:39:00 - [152] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Suitonia So if I had an invincible POS you wouldn't think that was an exploit? I'd say it pointless to argue with the supporters of this idea. These are the people who have migrated from WoW, and who wish for a PvP flag in Eve more than anything else. Eve is getting more carebear friendly every day. Until CCP fixes this blatant oversight, the only thing you can do is to be as vindictive as possible. Hound the players using this 'service' as much as you can. Steal their ore. Suicide gank them. Declare war on them at every opportunity. You missed the point that the holding corp for iMune is getting loads of free wars... because they like surprise PVP ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.31 12:44:00 - [153] Originally by: techzer0 You missed the point that the holding corp for iMune is getting loads of free wars... because they like surprise PVP You missed the point that war decs are not all about mindless PvP. The war dec system is now officially pointless.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.31 12:48:00 - [154] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: techzer0 You missed the point that the holding corp for iMune is getting loads of free wars... because they like surprise PVP You missed the point that war decs are not all about mindless PvP. The war dec system is now officially pointless. We all know it's going to change, why not take advantage of it while it lasts? Just like wars were changed after Privateers started up... meh ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.31 12:49:00 - [155] Originally by: techzer0 We all know it's going to change, why not take advantage of it while it lasts? Just like wars were changed after Privateers started up... meh Well, it won't change unless we whine about it. I'm just doing my part.
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.31 12:50:00 - [156] You wardec a corporation They form a temporary alliance transferring the wardec to willing participants They leave the alliance making them non-targets You get nonconsensual PVP with hardcore combatants and the non-combatants continue on their way Sounds fine to me, it's a lot more cost effective than hiring mercs or paying a BS ransom you wardec for high security conflict, you get it you wardec to try and take a high sec pos out, tough (deal with it; only thing really in high sec is research stations, low sec and 0.0 you have moon mining and can engage without a war dec) you wardec to interfere with PvE focused players having fun, tough luck As I stated: You are not protected from nonconsensual PvP, but neither are you guaranteed nonconsensual PVP
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.31 12:53:00 - [157] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda You wardec a corporation They form a temporary alliance transferring the wardec to willing participants They leave the alliance making them non-targets You get nonconsensual PVP with hardcore combatants and the non-combatants continue on their way Sounds fine to me, it's a lot more cost effective than hiring mercs or paying a BS ransom you wardec for high security conflict, you get it you wardec to try and take a high sec pos out, tough (deal with it; only thing really in high sec is research stations, low sec and 0.0 you have moon mining and can engage without a war dec) you wardec to interfere with PvE focused players having fun, tough luck As I stated: You are not protected from nonconsensual PvP, but neither are you guaranteed nonconsensual PVP Are you really this stupid?
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.31 13:05:00 - [158] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Galsia Yovinda You wardec a corporation They form a temporary alliance transferring the wardec to willing participants They leave the alliance making them non-targets You get nonconsensual PVP with hardcore combatants and the non-combatants continue on their way Sounds fine to me, it's a lot more cost effective than hiring mercs or paying a BS ransom you wardec for high security conflict, you get it you wardec to try and take a high sec pos out, tough (deal with it; only thing really in high sec is research stations, low sec and 0.0 you have moon mining and can engage without a war dec) you wardec to interfere with PvE focused players having fun, tough luck As I stated: You are not protected from nonconsensual PvP, but neither are you guaranteed nonconsensual PVP Are you really this stupid? I suppose he has never war dec'd a corp to make it dissolve, to ransom it, or to take down a research pos with billions in BPOs. Yeah, buddy.. it's not all about the non-consensual pvp. I get lots of that being -10 and living in lowsec ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.31 13:06:00 - [159] The wardec system in general is open to misuse by many, so a ability to render misuse null and void is a good thing. Just means the carebears learned the system and adapted, now it's your turn chuckles. Either adapt and overcome, or more likely just B&M about how your activities are curtailed by people finding ways to avoid dealing with you. You can engage a POS in 0.4 and lower without a wardec (and iirc 0.5+ has no moon mining operations, and is usually research and possibly some construction sites) You may get a criminal standing hit, but you can do it
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.31 13:09:00 - [160] Edited by: Ki An on 31/12/2007 13:09:57 Originally by: Galsia Yovinda The wardec system in general is open to misuse by many, so a ability to render misuse null and void is a good thing. Just means the carebears learned the system and adapted, now it's your turn chuckles. Either adapt and overcome, or more likely just B&M about how your activities are curtailed by people finding ways to avoid dealing with you. You can engage a POS in 0.4 and lower without a wardec (and iirc 0.5+ has no moon mining operations, and is usually research and possibly some construction sites) You may get a criminal standing hit, but you can do it I guess you really are... We have been over your BS arguments before, bud. Lay off it already. It's making you look bad. PS. Post with your lame ass carebear main.
Ashley Snow Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.12.31 13:39:00 - [161] Quote: These are the people who have migrated from WoW, and who wish for a PvP flag in Eve more than anything else. Eve is getting more carebear friendly every day. Why dont you dec 505 to see the carebears that we are!!!
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.12.31 13:41:00 - [162] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda The wardec system in general is open to misuse by many, so a ability to render misuse null and void is a good thing. Just means the carebears learned the system and adapted, now it's your turn chuckles. Either adapt and overcome, or more likely just B&M about how your activities are curtailed by people finding ways to avoid dealing with you. You can engage a POS in 0.4 and lower without a wardec (and iirc 0.5+ has no moon mining operations, and is usually research and possibly some construction sites) You may get a criminal standing hit, but you can do it Discussing about game mechanics without knowing JACK SCHITT about them is bad, hmmmmk? Also carebears far from adapted to wardecs, it was a group of pvp'ers that used the carebearness of certain carebear corps to generate more pvp for themself.
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.31 13:57:00 - [163] Where can I moon mine? Moons in 0.3 security rated systems and below all have the potential of having materials to mine. So what is the problem, other than hassling carebear researchers and producers. and they have adapted and evolved. Some species evolved thorns and spines to protect themselves from predators, others escape methods (such as skunk's spray or a octopus's ink cloud). This is just an escape method for corporations that don't want to build up a combat fleet. Been petioned and reported multiple times as not an exploit. Just means you have to wardec the corp after they leave imune, and keep up the wardecs silly children if you can't think you can't adapt. It costs more is all. 1st wardec - they join imune 2nd wardec - right after they leave imune (as soon as they join imune drop the wardec on the alliance) It just makes wardecs more expensive, so they hit your wallet. The cycle of aggression should give you either the aggravation and grief that a wardec normally gives, may just prevent you popping a POS but oh well.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.12.31 14:17:00 - [164] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Been petioned and reported multiple times as not an exploit. It may not be an exploit, but it IS broken mechanics at it's finest. The simplest solution (and probably the best), is to just make wars follow the corp. Alliance war mechanics are fine with regards to leaving corps inasmuch as the war is declared on the alliance. When the original decee was a corp that joined the alliance, the system breaks down. The system is broken, it will no doubt be changed. In the meantime try to tell yourself that because it's not an exploit it isn't wrong.
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.12.31 15:17:00 - [165] If this mechanism is indeed in need of a 'solution' then introducing more significant delays into joining/leaving alliances would help. I don't think they're really supposed to be joined/left on a whim. 1. Buy Vexor 2. Fit for Gank 3. Suicide ISK farmer 4. Grind sec 5. see 1.
Noodle Pastaman	Posted - 2007.12.31 15:53:00 - [166] The problem? quite simply is most people who play EVE dont want non-consentual PVP. CCP care about who pays the bills and quite simply its 'carebears' as opposed to minority thugs
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Session9 Rising Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.31 16:39:00 - [167] To those of you who say highsec pos'es are invincible, you're clearly not thinking hard enough :) It will require two corporations to pull it off. WannaBlowYerPos Inc. WarDec's CareBear Inc. WannaBlowYerPos2 Inc. Prepares a vote to dec CareBear Inc. So, immediately, CareBear Inc joins iMune. (let's say there's no real time lag in this) And leaves. During the 24 hours of can fight, WannaBlowYerPos does its thing, pos goes into reinforced. Now with faction towers, stront lasts what, a day and a half? Two Days? The Second CareBear Inc. leaves the alliance, WannaBlowYerPos2 Dec's them... The population of WannaBlowYerPos defects to WannaBlowYerPos2. Heck, if you want to be really mean, you time your dec to coincide with the 'can fight' with the pos coming out of reinforced. Happy Days are here again :) Sure, its more of a pain in the posterior, but you can still smash that high-sec pos if you really need to. (I've not played with the timing at all, but it should work. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about it) -- Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:12:00 - [168] Edited by: Empyre on 31/12/2007 17:13:35 Originally by: Suitonia So if I had an invincible POS you wouldn't think that was an exploit? you can't even use that argument. a person could tear down their empire pos in the 24 hours wait time for hostilities to start. so there's literally no way you could infer pos are 'invincible' as a result of this service. a cop wastes my time when he pulls me over but i'd have a hell of a time convincing a court that was his intention. besides. you can't do much with an empire pos anyway. basically all you can do is research and even then you're only saving a little time and about 1.5m/mo per slot. don't be such a crybaby because you can't absolutely wtfpwn people and everything they own, who just want the option to be left alone. i swear sometimes.. some pvpers can be more whiny than carebears. I <3 empire.. usually.
Zaskarr Amarr Falling Stars Squadron	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:20:00 - [169] Originally by: Noodle Pastaman The problem? quite simply is most people who play EVE dont want non-consentual PVP. CCP care about who pays the bills and quite simply its 'carebears' as opposed to minority thugs This. __________________ How do I shot web?
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:29:00 - [170] Originally by: Empyre you can't even use that argument. a person could tear down their empire pos in the 24 hours wait time for hostilities to start. so there's literally no way you could infer pos are 'invincible' as a result of this service. a cop wastes my time when he pulls me over but i'd have a hell of a time convincing a court that was his intention. besides. you can't do much with an empire pos anyway. basically all you can do is research and even then you're only saving a little time and about 1.5m/mo per slot. don't be such a crybaby because you can't absolutely wtfpwn people and everything they own, who just want the option to be left alone. i swear sometimes.. some pvpers can be more whiny than carebears. Empyre, please read the thread before spouting off BS. Your argument has already been proposed and summarily shot down a page or two before this one. Bottom line, learn POS mechanics or stfu.
ViolenTUK Gallente Vindicated Exiles 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:40:00 - [171] I think this is a great idea. All the best to the iMune Empire. www.eve-players.com
Ashley Snow Save our Souls	Posted - 2008.01.01 00:59:00 - [172] Quote: PS. 505 are crap tbh. I'll let you do the wardecking though, as if we dec you you'll just run and hide in iMune Twisted Evil LOL tough guy on the forum!! Real easy to spout off at everyone. How bout you show us all you have a clue what your talking bout. Show us how good you are at pvp mr. forum thug!!
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.01 01:12:00 - [173] I never had a problem with war targets joining an alliance to bring in extra numbers against my corp, I see that as a perfectly acceptable game mechanic and we usually dropped the dec after a week anyway, because of the fee. What I don't understand is why doing what you're offering is allowed. It's clearly abusing the alliance system to allow a corp to dodge wars. If I dec Corp A, it's because I want to fight Corp A, and I've paid CONCORD for the privelege. If they join Alliance B, that's fine because I'm still at war with Corp A even if I now have a whole alliance to deal with. The problem is that Corp A can now leave the alliance, and I will no longer be at war with them. If I've paid for a week of war with Corp A, why should they be able to get out of the war in 2 days? I could re-dec them, but that would take a couple of days, and they'd just pull the same trick again, meaning that when I should be getting a week of war, I'm being forced to re-declare every 2 days due to abuse of the alliance mechanics. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.01 01:35:00 - [174] Originally by: Ashley Snow LOL tough guy on the forum!! Real easy to spout off at everyone. How bout you show us all you have a clue what your talking bout. Show us how good you are at pvp mr. forum thug!! Don't see how I have anything to prove when you started "calling me out" or whatever the hell it was you where doing. You want to wardec us, fine. We're not deccing you, as you support iMune and will hide.
Vyruce	Posted - 2008.01.01 06:41:00 - [175] Edited by: Vyruce on 01/01/2008 06:41:37 This is an stupid exploit of game mechanics and I hope everyone who uses it gets banned forever! I am in a PVP anti-carebear corp that carefully selects its targets. We always scout out the corps before we wardec them to make sure they're miners or noob carebears flying around in nothing bigger than a cruiser. Now they can join this stupid iMune alliance and we have to fight PVPers we weren't ready for. This is unfair griefing! We don't want to fight against other PVPers, we only want to fight against carebears. CCP better fix this exploit quick.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.01.01 10:30:00 - [176] Originally by: Vyruce Edited by: Vyruce on 01/01/2008 06:41:37 This is an stupid exploit of game mechanics and I hope everyone who uses it gets banned forever! I am in a PVP anti-carebear corp that carefully selects its targets. We always scout out the corps before we wardec them to make sure they're miners or noob carebears flying around in nothing bigger than a cruiser. Now they can join this stupid iMune alliance and we have to fight PVPers we weren't ready for. This is unfair griefing! We don't want to fight against other PVPers, we only want to fight against carebears. CCP better fix this exploit quick. ITT trolls attempt to assign motives to every single person who has ever wardecced another corp
Byggare B0b	Posted - 2008.01.01 10:39:00 - [177] I strongly suggest ccp fix this by simply removing all concord and sentry guns in highsec, but keeping capitals from entering.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.01 10:54:00 - [178] Originally by: Byggare B0b I strongly suggest ccp fix this by simply removing all concord and sentry guns in highsec, but keeping capitals from entering. WIN! ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Virginija	Posted - 2008.01.01 11:12:00 - [179] think about it logically. if ccp wanted corps to avoid wars, when corps dont want to fight, they could implement "end war" button or something. when you dont fight, you press and war is over. but... there is no such thing. its clearly an exploit and what needs to be done is upgrade war tracker that when corp leaves ally (assuming it was decced before joining ally) wars should be trasfered back on a corp. my 2 cents.
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2008.01.01 12:18:00 - [180] Originally by: Virginija think about it logically. if ccp wanted corps to avoid wars, when corps dont want to fight, they could implement "end war" button or something. when you dont fight, you press and war is over. but... there is no such thing. its clearly an exploit and what needs to be done is upgrade war tracker that when corp leaves ally (assuming it was decced before joining ally) wars should be trasfered back on a corp. my 2 cents. /signed This is the best solution in my opinion. Alliances can still protect corps at war if they want to, which doesn't completely ruin the 'iMune' idea, iMune could still operate as a shelter to corps and have in alliance pvpers fight with the agressors. It doesn't impose restrictions to a corps freedom (as in not being able to quit an alliance for a week, or still join alliances at war). It solves the invincible highsec POS problem since leaving the alliance would still mean the corp would be at war, so the POS would still be fair game. Highsec wardec corps are guranteed pew pew with a corp for the week they paid for, or at least able to lock them down and disrupt their activies for a week if they don't undock. Basically, this option is the most fair to all types of players. And the pvp part of iMune, that seemed to be well recieved, if it ever takes off is still viable. --- I've always wondered about those Vagabond pilots...

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