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Galsia Yovinda
Gallente
Dec Me Please
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:16:00 -
[211]
 Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
Sure it hurts mercs some (but hey just raise your rates for the multiple wardecs you have to file)
Uses of a POS in high sec:
moon mining - nope 0.3 or lower (criminal flag on attack in 0.3 to 0.1 sec space but no concord intervention)
Booster production - not sure on the new ones, but I do know older ones are limited to 0.5 and lower space (and not sure you can even anchor the modules needed in empire)
research - yes
manufacturing - yes (no real benefit, and no capital construction)
refinery - yes (only useful in systems with no stations, but usually cheaper to haul it out one jump to a station)
So reasons for wardecs against corps with POS in empire: disrupt research and manufacturing activity.
So it just got harder to harass small corporations in high sec.
You are not protected from nonconsensual PVP, nor are you guaranteed non consensual PVP
Manufacturing/research in highsec has the benefit of not being visited by dreads, it also means that you do not have to travel in lowsec, thus avoiding camps if any of them. Also, It's not about harrasing small corporations, it's about harrasing the bigger ones that get their supplies and equipment from them, the bigger ones that can afford to pay you off a healthy sum. And who said it's about harrasing small corporations anyway, many wardeccing corporations will aim to dec a corp with many more numbers than themselves for a steady diet of targets.
Yet it is the smaller ones that will need the service most.
Most manufacturing in a POS suffers from a bit higher wastage rate than in stations (trade off in time and isk).
Many does not cover all, there are also many out there that pick on smaller corporations for kicks.
Setting up a station in low sec is available to all, high sec requires isk (both for the faction standing services and ongoing for the charters) beyond the normal POS costs.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:17:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Ki An
Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.
my bad, 2 month and 18 days. hm, interesting.. tell us more..
You are really stupid, did you know that? Try checking my employment history, ya nub 
pwnd
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:18:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Empyre
hm interesting, tell me more. even still, you aren't coming within 10 feet of this character and doing anything. not unless you have a way of cinvincing concord to let you start fights in stations.
My dev friends tell me I will be allowed to murder people in stations come ambulation. Isn't that right, Oveur ya ol' chum?
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Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:19:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Ki An
Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.
my bad, 2 month and 18 days. hm, interesting.. tell us more..
You are really stupid, did you know that? Try checking my employment history, ya nub
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:19:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Empyre on 01/01/2008 20:20:21
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Ki An
Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.
my bad, 2 month and 18 days. hm, interesting.. tell us more..
You are really stupid, did you know that? Try checking my employment history, ya nub
pwnd
oh yes.. someone save me! guess i have no choice but to quit the game now.  i pwned myself trying to argue with a troll that fancies themselves a god.
I <3 empire.. usually. |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:21:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Empyre
oh yes.. someone save me! guess i have no choice but to quit the game now.
You been playing since 2005, and you thought length in corp was char age...maybe you should 
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Galsia Yovinda
Gallente
Dec Me Please
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:24:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
Oh, well if you had a valid argument against anything there post it.
And everything there is a fact silly boy about what you can use on a high-sec station.
Read all my other posts trying to educate you about what is wrong with your argument. I'll say this again:
1. Post with your main.
2. Stop discussing game mechanics if you don't know anything about them.
1 - why bother?
2- go read some yourself. I suggest the stickies in the stations section
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:25:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Empyre on 01/01/2008 20:25:44
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Empyre
oh yes.. someone save me! guess i have no choice but to quit the game now.
You been playing since 2005, and you thought length in corp was char age...maybe you should
tbh, that's only one of my toons. don't guess at my experience. i can however admit when i make a mistake and that one i did. happens sometimes, at least i can admit when i'm wrong. ahem..
edit: sorry for the threadjack! iMune rules!
I <3 empire.. usually. |
Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:27:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
Yet it is the smaller ones that will need the service most.
Most manufacturing in a POS suffers from a bit higher wastage rate than in stations (trade off in time and isk).
Many does not cover all, there are also many out there that pick on smaller corporations for kicks.
Setting up a station in low sec is available to all, high sec requires isk (both for the faction standing services and ongoing for the charters) beyond the normal POS costs.
Then if highsec POS's are so worthless, why would a corporation put one up to begin with? Yes it's an expensive and time consuming investment, but in return you can use a POS in reletive safety. If the highsec stations are better than what they would gain from operating a POS then why would they setup a POS to begin with? Surely if you're a small corporation and you're going to make such an investment you'd do a risk and profit assessment of some kind.
Why does the reason for declaring war on a corporation matter anyway, we are going off topic here. The 'exploit' is that the highsec POS is invincible due to this service, not that Corp X decced them because they are undercutting their market prices, or that they thought it would be hilarious to dec them for random 'lolz'.
If the POS isn't profiting a corporation, and they can get better or similar usage from a station, then I'm going to go with the obvious statement and suggest they take it down and sell it.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:27:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
1 - why bother?
Because then I could point and laugh and say "look how stupid you are".
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
2- go read some yourself. I suggest the stickies in the stations section
What about them? I know how POSes work. I know what you can and can't do with POSes in high sec. That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the fact that they are immune to attack now though.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:31:00 -
[221]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 01/01/2008 20:32:09
Originally by: Empyre
tbh, that's only one of my toons. don't guess at my experience. i can however admit when i make a mistake and that one i did. happens sometimes, at least i can admit when i'm wrong. ahem..
edit: sorry for the threadjack! iMune rules!
Well played for admitting the mistake, but you have to realise its funny...especially after the screen shot 
As for Imune, when they fight the wars they have inherited I may agree with you. At the moment they have no interest in fighting anyone, and I would pay for a screen shot of 1 of the 17 imune guys un-docked in a combat ship
Until they fight, it is a blatant attempt to circumvent war decs. As everyone knows...POS can be reinforced for more than 24 hours...new war dec cast...another 24 hours to wait for vote. With good stront management, and some shield repping. A high sec POS is now indeed...Imune
As I said before...its a clever idea, but not exactly in the spirit of the game 
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Galsia Yovinda
Gallente
Dec Me Please
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:40:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
Yet it is the smaller ones that will need the service most.
Most manufacturing in a POS suffers from a bit higher wastage rate than in stations (trade off in time and isk).
Many does not cover all, there are also many out there that pick on smaller corporations for kicks.
Setting up a station in low sec is available to all, high sec requires isk (both for the faction standing services and ongoing for the charters) beyond the normal POS costs.
Then if highsec POS's are so worthless, why would a corporation put one up to begin with? Yes it's an expensive and time consuming investment, but in return you can use a POS in reletive safety. If the highsec stations are better than what they would gain from operating a POS then why would they setup a POS to begin with? Surely if you're a small corporation and you're going to make such an investment you'd do a risk and profit assessment of some kind.
Why does the reason for declaring war on a corporation matter anyway, we are going off topic here. The 'exploit' is that the highsec POS is invincible due to this service, not that Corp X decced them because they are undercutting their market prices, or that they thought it would be hilarious to dec them for random 'lolz'.
If the POS isn't profiting a corporation, and they can get better or similar usage from a station, then I'm going to go with the obvious statement and suggest they take it down and sell it.
only real benefit of a high sec POS is research and invention.
The wait times for NPC stations make them viable for use
And as for them being immune from destruction, they are not perfectly immune. It'll just cost a lot more isk to pound them into reinforced mode and then suicide them when not a war target while using another wardec.
It just raises the price of popping them, and requires more effort.
Just like the merc, they will have to start using suicide attacks for their contracts and raise the prices accordingly
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:44:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
only real benefit of a high sec POS is research and invention.
The wait times for NPC stations make them viable for use
Viable to use or not, people are using them, and other people have a right to stop that usage.
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
And as for them being immune from destruction, they are not perfectly immune. It'll just cost a lot more isk to pound them into reinforced mode and then suicide them when not a war target while using another wardec.
It just raises the price of popping them, and requires more effort.
Just like the merc, they will have to start using suicide attacks for their contracts and raise the prices accordingly
Hang on just one minute there, pal... Are you seriously suggesting that we should put a POS in reinforced, and then suicide it? As in, pop it before Concord arrives? I might have doubted your knowledge of this subject before, but now I am seriously starting to doubt your sanity.
Please, stop posting. You are embarrasing yourself.
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Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:44:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
only real benefit of a high sec POS is research and invention.
The wait times for NPC stations make them viable for use
And as for them being immune from destruction, they are not perfectly immune. It'll just cost a lot more isk to pound them into reinforced mode and then suicide them when not a war target while using another wardec.
It just raises the price of popping them, and requires more effort.
Just like the merc, they will have to start using suicide attacks for their contracts and raise the prices accordingly
And you find nothing wrong with that? A Large tower with resistance amplifiers can have well over 100 million effective HP. It's not possible, unless you have an obsurd amount of Suicide battleships, more than is ever viable.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:46:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Empyre on 01/01/2008 20:48:39
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Empyre
tbh, that's only one of my toons. don't guess at my experience. i can however admit when i make a mistake and that one i did. happens sometimes, at least i can admit when i'm wrong. ahem..
edit: sorry for the threadjack! iMune rules!
Well played for admitting the mistake, but you have to realise its funny...especially after the screen shot
As for Imune, when they fight the wars they have inherited I may agree with you. At the moment they have no interest in fighting anyone, and I would pay for a screen shot of 1 of the 17 imune guys un-docked in a combat ship
Until they fight, it is a blatant attempt to circumvent war decs. As everyone knows...POS can be reinforced for more than 24 hours...new war dec cast...another 24 hours to wait for vote. With good stront management, and some shield repping. A high sec POS is now indeed...Imune
As I said before...its a clever idea, but not exactly in the spirit of the game
i know i know.. i'm sharing a laugh with friends about it (among other things) tbh. as for iMune, what they do with the wars they take on voluntarily are their own business. if concord can turn a blind eye to slaughter on other occasions for a mere sum of isk then they surely care not about what iMune does with the wars they take on.
about the immune pos thing, here's my point. they're of minimally beneficial value. aside from having a little storage space floating in space for the cost/wk of fuel (which would be highly inefficient), the only thing you can really use them for there is research. you save a little time and a minimal amount of isk (like less than a couple mil/mo) in doing so.
something is unbalanced when a corp of 25-30 solid pvpers can war dec a small new corp just trying to make some money and learn the game and remove their pos. do i think they should be invulnerable? probably not.. i can understand the argument. but i'd much rather have it this way than for a gang of grievers to be able to pop a few hundred thousand isk worth of investment for a mere 50m and literally no effort.
afterall, the benefit the pos owner has is almost nothing compared to the benefit the grievers have. so what is so valuable about being able to pop a pos in hi-sec? you can't make much more money off it than sitting in a station waiting for an ME slot to open (only thing labs are really needed for) so what could you truly NEED to be able to remove a pos for, knowing all this?
edit: i understand the value of invention slots in labs but tbh they aren't really needed. i run my invention in stations and there are always open slots. plus running them in stations saves you from leaving your expensive interfaces in the pos labs.
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Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:05:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Empyre
i know i know.. i'm sharing a laugh with friends about it (among other things) tbh. as for iMune, what they do with the wars they take on voluntarily are their own business. if concord can turn a blind eye to slaughter on other occasions for a mere sum of isk then they surely care not about what iMune does with the wars they take on.
about the immune pos thing, here's my point. they're of minimally beneficial value. aside from having a little storage space floating in space for the cost/wk of fuel (which would be highly inefficient), the only thing you can really use them for there is research. you save a little time and a minimal amount of isk (like less than a couple mil/mo) in doing so.
If something is costing you money, or is providing an identical service you can already get, then take the POS the down. It's not the war deccer's fault that you own, or are using a POS.
Originally by: Empyre
something is unbalanced when a corp of 25-30 solid pvpers can war dec a small new corp just trying to make some money and learn the game and remove their pos. do i think they should be invulnerable? probably not.. i can understand the argument. but i'd much rather have it this way than for a gang of grievers to be able to pop a few hundred thousand isk worth of investment for a mere 50m and literally no effort.
Again, you've taken this off-topic. Firstly, it only costs 2 million to wardec a corporation. 50 million is the price to declare war on an alliance. Secondly, why does the cost of wardecs have anything to do with the immunity of POS's. If you have millions of assets in space then you should be prepared to defend those assets, if you can't, sell them, or become allied with another corp, or part of an alliance that can. It's called a risk assessment, I suggest that most corps do them.
Originally by: Empyre
afterall, the benefit the pos owner has is almost nothing compared to the benefit the grievers have. so what is so valuable about being able to pop a pos in hi-sec? you can't make much more money off it than sitting in a station waiting for an ME slot to open (only thing labs are really needed for) so what could you truly NEED to be able to remove a pos for, knowing all this?
I've explained it before, many others have too. It's called 'Disruption'. The corp with the highsec POS isn't the only corp you're trying to hurt. If their contracters or purchasers are hostile to you.
Originally by: Empyre
edit: i understand the value of invention slots in labs but tbh they aren't really needed. i run my invention in stations and there are always open slots. plus running them in stations saves you from leaving your expensive interfaces in the pos labs.
Then if they arn't needed, I've said it once, I've said it twice, take the darn thing down and stop whining about it. Personally if I have 350mil of useless investment I'd sell it and purchase something more profitable or useful with it.
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steveid
SkyMarshal Logistics
iMune Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:18:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 01/01/2008 20:42:07
As for Imune, when they fight the wars they have inherited I may agree with you. At the moment they have no interest in fighting anyone, and I would pay for a screen shot of 1 of the 17 imune guys un-docked in a combat ship
How much?
2008.01.01 15:46:00
Victim: $%#%#^$#^#
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Racketeers
Destroyed: Jaguar
System: Ashab
Security: 0.9
Damage Taken: 3108
Involved parties:
Name: steveid (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.7
Alliance: iMune Empire
Corp: SkyMarshal Logistics
Ship: Taranis
Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II
Damage Done: 3108
Destroyed items:
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Exotic Dancers (Cargo)
Warp Disruptor II
Barrage S, Qty: 88
Barrage S, Qty: 2381 (Cargo)
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Salvager I
Foxfire Rage Rocket, Qty: 341 (Cargo)
Dropped items:
Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain (Cargo)
200mm AutoCannon II, Qty: 2
Damage Control II
Rocket Launcher II
Alumel-Wired I Sensor Augmentation
Spirits (Cargo)
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I (Cargo)
Scan Resolution
Foxfire Rage Rocket, Qty: 21
Small Armor Repairer II
there was a crow attacking me as well ..
And SOS will be joining us also. We arn't protecting the miners, we just want lots of targets.
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Galsia Yovinda
Gallente
Dec Me Please
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:22:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
only real benefit of a high sec POS is research and invention.
The wait times for NPC stations make them viable for use
Viable to use or not, people are using them, and other people have a right to stop that usage.
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
And as for them being immune from destruction, they are not perfectly immune. It'll just cost a lot more isk to pound them into reinforced mode and then suicide them when not a war target while using another wardec.
It just raises the price of popping them, and requires more effort.
Just like the merc, they will have to start using suicide attacks for their contracts and raise the prices accordingly
Hang on just one minute there, pal... Are you seriously suggesting that we should put a POS in reinforced, and then suicide it? As in, pop it before Concord arrives? I might have doubted your knowledge of this subject before, but now I am seriously starting to doubt your sanity.
Please, stop posting. You are embarrasing yourself.
Suicide the ones trying to refuel it. After x hours no more reinforced mode or fuel.
course if they have a hangar or other resources to fuel inside the shield, your SOL
concord will show up. but your task is to keep them from fueling the station not popping the shields.
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Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:24:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Galsia Yovinda
Suicide the ones trying to refuel it. After x hours no more reinforced mode or fuel.
course if they have a hangar or other resources to fuel inside the shield, your SOL
concord will show up. but your task is to keep them from fueling the station not popping the shields.
Originally by: Ki An
Please, stop posting. You are embarrasing yourself.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:27:00 -
[230]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 01/01/2008 21:30:55
Originally by: steveid
How much?
And SOS will be joining us also. We arn't protecting the miners, we just want lots of targets.
Thats more like it  Now you are providing a service rather than an means to exploit.
I'll send you 1mil...only cause you didn't provide screen shot
Edit: Jag obviously didn't have a web...Minie AF should have owned that nasty ranis..his bad
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:30:00 -
[231]
Edited by: Empyre on 01/01/2008 21:34:25
Originally by: Suitonia
If something is costing you money, or is providing an identical service you can already get, then take the POS the down. It's not the war deccer's fault that you own, or are using a POS.
Again, you've taken this off-topic. Firstly, it only costs 2 million to wardec a corporation. 50 million is the price to declare war on an alliance. Secondly, why does the cost of wardecs have anything to do with the immunity of POS's. If you have millions of assets in space then you should be prepared to defend those assets, if you can't, sell them, or become allied with another corp, or part of an alliance that can. It's called a risk assessment, I suggest that most corps do them.
I've explained it before, many others have too. It's called 'Disruption'. The corp with the highsec POS isn't the only corp you're trying to hurt. If their contracters or purchasers are hostile to you.
Then if they arn't needed, I've said it once, I've said it twice, take the darn thing down and stop whining about it. Personally if I have 350mil of useless investment I'd sell it and purchase something more profitable or useful with it.
you quote like ki an but come off quite a bit more sensible.
i personally have no troubles with the things i do. then again, i rarely ever impose on anyones market. too careful i guess. but by all this logic, why have hi-sec at all? i don't want to steer this thread completely off topic here on the discussion of whether we need hi-sec or not but we seem to have come here. first just let me say i understand your argument. ccp does state this game is about these sorts of things so i'm not disagreeing with you.
but why allow pos in hi-sec at all? it sounds to me like people are wanting to bring pvp as a function of capitalization into hi-sec. if this is the case then ccp should come clear with the actual intentions of hi-sec altogether. you can't have it both ways. if it meant to be a buffer for new players to have a relative safe haven then pvpers need to start respecting this.
on the other hand, if their intention was to allow and condone complete capitalization and the use of force to remove competition completely and entirely from the game then they need to stop playing around trying to please both sides as well. either allow full utilization of pos in hi-sec (minus sov) or take them and moons completely out of hi-sec because they're worthless.
edit: that actually sounds awesome. i'd gladly favor vulnerable pos in hi-sec if you could mine the moons, run reactors and ship assembly arrays. ccp are you listening?
I <3 empire.. usually. |
Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:42:00 -
[232]
Breaking news!
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Pod Six Research
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:43:00 -
[233]
So GM Nova just posted that this is cheating and any CEO that uses this system will get a warning. I'm not sure how that squares with the claim that this was checked ahead of time.
Need a covops or scout? Recruit me! |
Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:50:00 -
[234]
ah boo, too bad. i don't agree with it, especially how quickly they came to judgment on it versus how long its taken them to respond to other 'nerfs' (how long did they let privateers war dec and come and go until they took a stance on it and did something?) but it's their game, it's not dramatic enough to change the way i play.
i'd still love to hear ccp state their intentions on hi-sec now, though. doesn't make much sense to have empire pos play such a pivotal role in these matters when they don't serve a lot of purpose at all.
I <3 empire.. usually. |
Wyliee
Taurus Inc
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Posted - 2008.01.01 22:27:00 -
[235]
gm response saying this is cheating.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=673134&page=2#39
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Speed Addict
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Posted - 2008.01.01 23:12:00 -
[236]
Edited by: Speed Addict on 01/01/2008 23:13:37
time to close the thread and throw it in the bin.
Originally by: Empyre
ah boo, too bad. i don't agree with it, especially how quickly they came to judgment on it versus how long its taken them to respond to other 'nerfs' (how long did they let privateers war dec and come and go until they took a stance on it and did something?) but it's their game, it's not dramatic enough to change the way i play.
i'd still love to hear ccp state their intentions on hi-sec now, though. doesn't make much sense to have empire pos play such a pivotal role in these matters when they don't serve a lot of purpose at all.
and privateers was not an exploit, they just had alot of wars going on
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Hi Speed Devil You are receiving this notice to inform you that your posting privileges have now been permanently terminated.
now don't blame me for altposting :( |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.01.01 23:19:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Speed Addict
and privateers was not an exploit, they just had alot of wars going on
you said it. The privateer nerf was heavy handed.
CCP seem to listen more to forum whiners than the people that play the game.
Oh, and I was FOR the idea of iMune "IF" they fought. And they did...
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.01.01 23:42:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Ki An
Breaking news!
I spoiled my pants when reading that GM response. Made my evening tbfh.
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Andrest Disch
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.02 00:46:00 -
[239]
People wanted a response from CCP, they got it, and then they whine that it came to quickly.
Gotta love the Internets. =-D
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.01.02 01:16:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Speed Addict
and privateers was not an exploit, they just had alot of wars going on
that's not the aspect that was an exploit. the part where they had corps coming and going in the alliance at their leisure when they wanted to fight and when they did not want to. that part i considered the exploit.
if you are in an alliance and they declare war then i think you should not be able to leave the alliance until at least certain conditions are met. they were trapping much more inferior victims sometimes in wars and then coming and going as they pleased.
just my 2 isk.
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