Originally by: Zhang Ramses

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So A wardecs B.

B joins iMune. The wardec transfers to the alliance. B quits iMune.

Is there anything to prevent A from wardec'ing B again immediately?

Zhang

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i see what you did there

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Azzloran > ever heard of a drake? you wont like them when they decloak on you"

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Originally by: Last Wolf

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I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.

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Originally by: Arvald

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this service gets the arvald's official seal of approval, on a side note are you guys recruiting

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Originally by: Ashley Sky

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Yes, yes we are. All corps are welcome to join our alliance, free of charge. No SP requirements, no fee requirements (other than the game mandated alliance payment of 2m isk per month for those that want to stay). No snooty alliance politics. Just free access to our group and the wars that we absorb.

If you want to join the holding corp, you'll have to make your case, but perhaps something might be arranged.

iMune Empire

Originally by: Arvald

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this service gets the arvald's official seal of approval, on a side note are you guys recruiting

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Originally by: Last Wolf

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I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.

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Originally by: LittleTerror

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Lame...

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Originally by: Arvald

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this service gets the arvald's official seal of approval, on a side note are you guys recruiting

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Originally by: Soryn Kael

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It's a pretty obvious exploit imo. It's use of an unintended game mechanic to avoid a wardec, much the same way that everyone bailing out of a corporation when it's decced and leaving only one person in the corp to hold it open, then returning after the war is over.

Any target of ours that tries this crap will be reported.

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Originally by: Faekurias

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Epic win in ways of getting lots of pewpew.
Little lame in the way of getting all the free wars you want :x...wait that isn't lame :P

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Originally by: Exteerminator

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The carebears who use this exploit deserve to be podded 10,000 times over.

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Originally by: Aramova

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Nice concept. Incubator alliance...I have to wonder how long it takes for privateers to war dec though

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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia

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Your gonna get wardecced

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Originally by: Smacktalking Alt

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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia

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Your gonna get wardecced

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It's a good thing you're here to point out the unforeseen consequences of this operation.

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Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke

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Brilliant idea. Excellent use of the game mechanics. Great plan. I approve a ton. In fact, I'm thinking of spinning off an alt corp to put my combat alt into, so I can shack up with you guys for some free empire pewpew.

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Originally by: Vikarion

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2) Get really good at killing ships/pods in 24 hours.

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Originally by: Pitt Bull

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Edited by: Pitt Bull on 24/12/2007 16:37:32

Originally by: Smacktalking Alt

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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia

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Your gonna get wardecced

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i think you guys missing the point they are welcoming the wars of others, so why would they caree if they get war decced?......lol think about it for a minute you'll get what i am saying

Originally by: Dapanman1

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I can verify that I'd does help the carebears. Carebear corp just got our war retracted by joining and instantly leaving iMune. Smells 'sploity, but I wont complain too much, we did get a 5b isk Vindi kill from them before they got rid of the dec. Should still make those carebears pay for it.

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Originally by: Pattern Clarc

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what happens if your alliance gets war deced?

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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne

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Unfortunately this has a really easy nerf that would probably be trivial to implement. Do not allow a corp to join an alliance if it has been dec'd. It will probably be the nerf of choice unfortunately. I do rather enjoy this idea and would like to endorse the geniuses who came up with it as <homer simpson>SMRT</homer simpson>

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Originally by: Sslinger

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As most know, The suppossed nerf that was to hamper the mass war dec method has not worked as intended. Privateers continues to war dec alliances/corps a dozen at a time. Many of the large alliances are set on perma ban.

The success of Imune would be short lived as it will go up on the list of those targets...whats an extra 50 million when you continue to donate your loot to the cause..lol.

New applicants would hesitate to join an alliance that is already at war if thier purpose is to avoid war to start with.

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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That's rather smart. Win-win for both parties, no more war for those who don't want it and free targets for those who do.

Excelent, and so very much in the spirit of EVE :)

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Originally by: Cain Bloodlust

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EVE features non-consentual PVP, so no, this is not in the "spirit of EVE". Don't get me wrong, I still think this is clever and very cool.

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Silly Goons CAOD is that way!

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Originally by: techzer0

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Someone found a way to get mass war-decs like privateers? o.0

I'm raising my sec status temporarily anyhow... hmm

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Originally by: Stakhanov

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I hope you double check who will be joining your alliance. If farmer corps ever take advantage of it...

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Originally by: Wynona

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Calypso, search iMune Empire in the other wars section of corp interface, the list is constantly changing.

Hey Hooch, I can see you're all excited about posting 'n stuff. So that sniffy "try again" comment... hows that relate to what you quoted?

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Originally by: Wynona

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Calypso, search iMune Empire in the other wars section of corp interface, the list is constantly changing.

Hey Hooch, I can see you're all excited about posting 'n stuff. So that sniffy "try again" comment... hows that relate to what you quoted?

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Still waiting for that link to ANY ship you have killed under the alliance Imune

5 war decs active must have included some pew pew....

Or are you guys just avoiding pvp as most have realised by now

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Originally by: Boran Tisk

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It hurts doesnt it

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Originally by: Cain Bloodlust

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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That's rather smart. Win-win for both parties, no more war for those who don't want it and free targets for those who do.

Excelent, and so very much in the spirit of EVE :)

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EVE features non-consentual PVP, so no, this is not in the "spirit of EVE". Don't get me wrong, I still think this is clever and very cool.

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Originally by: Laythun

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Smart idea.

But tbh, if a war target did this to me to avoid a war. i would keep dec'ing them over and over again. You'll just force corps to be more vindictive. which isnt a bad thing

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Originally by: Kal Shakai

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Originally by: Laythun

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Smart idea.

But tbh, if a war target did this to me to avoid a war. i would keep dec'ing them over and over again. You'll just force corps to be more vindictive. which isnt a bad thing

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The vindictive thing is right on the money. I have been making it my personal vendetta to punish any corp using this lame tactic for as long as our free war lasts.

I just racked up seven solo kill mails in 29 minutes from a poor little corp that thought they were getting a "service". Where was Ashley "station cowgirl" Sky? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

I normally wouldn't bother with such a mismatch but this tactic really irritates me.

I guess the bright side is that every time a corp uses iMune I get fresh targets for 24 hours.

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Originally by: Kal Shakai

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I just racked up seven solo kill mails in 29 minutes from a poor little corp that thought they were getting a "service". Where was Ashley "station cowgirl" Sky? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

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Originally by: Wynona

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Calypso, search iMune Empire in the other wars section of corp interface, the list is constantly changing.

Hey Hooch, I can see you're all excited about posting 'n stuff. So that sniffy "try again" comment... hows that relate to what you quoted?

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Originally by: Ashley Sky

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Originally by: Kal Shakai

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I just racked up seven solo kill mails in 29 minutes from a poor little corp that thought they were getting a "service". Where was Ashley "station cowgirl" Sky? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

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I don't understand why everyone complains so much about our free services when they have so much entertainment potential for all. :)

You know up until a few minutes ago you were at war with an alliance with only 2 actual members. :)

Not for long though. If you build it, they will come. Now recruiting PvP pilots of all kinds. Time to float the ark.

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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A wardecs B
B joins iMune
A follows B and joins iMune
A blows B the **** up again.
B leaves iMune
A wardecs B

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Originally by: Sslinger

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I guess I am confused....

why would a corp join iMune if iMune has a war dec against them?

If iMune already has an active war dec and a corp joins them then there is no 24 hour waiting period....there is instant fighting.

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Originally by: Cain Bloodlust

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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That's rather smart. Win-win for both parties, no more war for those who don't want it and free targets for those who do.

Excelent, and so very much in the spirit of EVE :)

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EVE features non-consentual PVP, so no, this is not in the "spirit of EVE". Don't get me wrong, I still think this is clever and very cool.

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Originally by: Phoebus Athenian

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Cool idea...
Expect your alliance to get a whole lot of wardecs though :P

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Originally by: cheese monkey

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How many whiners already? lol Eve should be all about choice surely?! i mean at the end of the day if someone was in a corp that had been war dec'd they could just leave to an NPC corp for a week(holiday).

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Originally by: Dominique Vasilkovsky

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Sweet, with your service no empire POS need defences as the stront will last for more than the needed 24h.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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just because you are war dec a corporation does not mean you are assured of combat.

non-consensual pvp is not a guarantee any more than protection from such

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Originally by: Suitonia

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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just because you are war dec a corporation does not mean you are assured of combat.

non-consensual pvp is not a guarantee any more than protection from such

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The issue with this is that highsec POS are now completely "iMune". Corporations already could avoid war by leaving an alt to hold it open and all leaving for an NPC corp until it brushes over, this is not new and is apparently an intended feature. If they had a POS in this case, they would have to take it down if they wanted to save it, which at least disrupts whatever they were doing with the POS. Contrary to popular carebear belief, there are tactical reasons to deccing a corp other than "to gank miners".

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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and?

As is, they can force a research/industrial corporation to halt operations due to a silly war dec. Now they have a way around that.

You want to dec a corp and take out their pos, you got 24hrs to do it in.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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and?

As is, they can force a research/industrial corporation to halt operations due to a silly war dec. Now they have a way around that.

You want to dec a corp and take out their pos, you got 24hrs to do it in.

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Which, of course, makes it impossible as long as there is stront in the POS. Do you know anything about taking down a POS? If not, STFU.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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So, if you want high sec POS warfare you better get a fleet big enough to pop it.

It doesn't matter how long, they can eaisly have an alt there with the corp hangar array dropping fuel in as needed.

target POS in space where you can use the ships built to take them out, otherwise better call a lot of friends along to play because you'll need the firepower

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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So, if you want high sec POS warfare you better get a fleet big enough to pop it.

It doesn't matter how long, they can eaisly have an alt there with the corp hangar array dropping fuel in as needed.

target POS in space where you can use the ships built to take them out, otherwise better call a lot of friends along to play because you'll need the firepower

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What part of "Do you know anything about taking down a POS? If not, STFU." don't you understand? It doesn't matter how many ships anyone have. As long as there is stront in the POS (which is standard MO for anyone with a brain) it is impossible to take it down within 24 hours. I'll give you an example that might make you understand if you still don't:

Say BoB, Goons, RA, -A-, Tri, RZR and IAC got really ****ed off at my corp. It turns out we have a POS in high sec, so all those alliances muster all of their fleets to take it out. They end up with about 3000 BS and start shooting the POS. It is quickly put into reinforced. As my corp joined and left iMune, the war ends 24 hours after the POS is put into reinforced. The reinforced timer runs out, and the 3000 BS turns up again to finish it up. They all get Concorded as we are no longer at war. Me and my corp scoop all the loot, recharge our POS and laugh merrily.

Does this make it any clearer for you?

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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What part of engage in space where you can pop them regardless of a wardec did you not understand.

Pestering the ones you can bring a dead out to pound chuckles

And you got 24 hours while they join the alliance and a 24hour countdown when they leave. 48 hours.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Edited by: Ki An on 30/12/2007 20:38:42

Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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What part of engage in space where you can pop them regardless of a wardec did you not understand.

Pestering the ones you can bring a dead out to pound chuckles

And you got 24 hours while they join the alliance and a 24hour countdown when they leave. 48 hours.

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First, I have a hard time understanding what you are writing. English not your first language, is it?

Second, we are talking about the immunity of high sec POSes here, and the problem that presents. To say "just go to low sec instead" contributes nothing to that argument, and is a strawman, hence, stfu.

Third, no you've got 24 hours, as a corp joining iMune will do so when they get the war dec mail. It takes 24 hours for them to join the alliance, so they will join just as the war starts. The only possible pew pew can come during the 24 hours after the war becomes active and they have hit "leave alliance". So, it's 24 hours.

Fourth... Look, if you don't know what you're talking about there's no point in you replying at all. Go read some threads in "New Citizen's Q&A and get some experience playing Eve before trying to comment on game mechanics.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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The application to join takes 24 to take effect if it accepted immediately, the leaving takes an additional 24hrs.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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there will be a period of extra time between the join and leave.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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But to be blunt: high sec pos warfare is dead, you want to pop stations head to low sec.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Always has been, all they have to do is pull it in. Stops the research and invention for 48 hours (till they activate an alt corporation with the same standings if they plan ahead).

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Or if they form an alliance they can simply have the research division leave and rejoin afterward (or if wardeced thye can rejoin and transfer it to the alliance and leave again)

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Hell I know a couple research only corps that have 2 alt corps with the standings ready to go, just have to join them and deploy the stations.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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PS: it's not hard to have a hangar array full of fuel on empire stations and alts logged out at the station to fuel it. Even ones in transports with extra fuel.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Yes..it's called cowardice. EVE is promoted as a dark and harsh world. It's hardly that when you carebears can hide in high sec, and leave a corp as soon as it is war decced.

Seems that CCP would rather follow the Blizzard example of getting as many subscribers as possible, rather than the crazy idea of producing an innovative game.

Money talks...bull**** walks.

Edit..no surprise you're in KIA. Remember when we tried to pay you to fight CI

The quote was "We will never fight you with even numbers"...go girl

i've got to wonder if you'd be so enthused about coercing people who aren't interested in pvp into pvp if it was running the other way. let's say there was a game mechanic that forced you the pvp guy into being locked into mining for weeks at a time. every time you logged into the game you're fittings got changed out to mining lasers and the only places you could go were belts etc. would rather spoil your fun wouldn't it? course since it's not your fun getting spoiled i guess that doesn't matter to you.

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Originally by: Ehranavaar

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i've got to wonder if you'd be so enthused about coercing people who aren't interested in pvp into pvp if it was running the other way. let's say there was a game mechanic that forced you the pvp guy into being locked into mining for weeks at a time. every time you logged into the game you're fittings got changed out to mining lasers and the only places you could go were belts etc. would rather spoil your fun wouldn't it? course since it's not your fun getting spoiled i guess that doesn't matter to you.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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just because you are war dec a corporation does not mean you are assured of combat.

non-consensual pvp is not a guarantee any more than protection from such

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Originally by: Cain Bloodlust

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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That's rather smart. Win-win for both parties, no more war for those who don't want it and free targets for those who do.

Excelent, and so very much in the spirit of EVE :)

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EVE features non-consentual PVP, so no, this is not in the "spirit of EVE". Don't get me wrong, I still think this is clever and very cool.

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Originally by: Ashley Snow

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I 110% support this!! Its an awesome idea!!

I think the biggest problem with eve is not ccp!!(thats second)

Its the players in eve. Cause everyone has to cry about everything!! If they dont like its an exploit!! Oh well!! This is a great idea and I wish I would have come up with it myself!!!

Good work!

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Originally by: Suitonia

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So if I had an invincible POS you wouldn't think that was an exploit?

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Suitonia

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So if I had an invincible POS you wouldn't think that was an exploit?

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I'd say it pointless to argue with the supporters of this idea. These are the people who have migrated from WoW, and who wish for a PvP flag in Eve more than anything else. Eve is getting more carebear friendly every day.

Until CCP fixes this blatant oversight, the only thing you can do is to be as vindictive as possible. Hound the players using this 'service' as much as you can. Steal their ore. Suicide gank them. Declare war on them at every opportunity.

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Originally by: techzer0

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You missed the point that the holding corp for iMune is getting loads of free wars... because they like surprise PVP

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: techzer0

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You missed the point that the holding corp for iMune is getting loads of free wars... because they like surprise PVP

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You missed the point that war decs are not all about mindless PvP. The war dec system is now officially pointless.

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Originally by: techzer0

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We all know it's going to change, why not take advantage of it while it lasts? Just like wars were changed after Privateers started up... meh

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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You wardec a corporation
They form a temporary alliance transferring the wardec to willing participants
They leave the alliance making them non-targets
You get nonconsensual PVP with hardcore combatants and the non-combatants continue on their way

Sounds fine to me, it's a lot more cost effective than hiring mercs or paying a BS ransom

you wardec for high security conflict, you get it
you wardec to try and take a high sec pos out, tough (deal with it; only thing really in high sec is research stations, low sec and 0.0 you have moon mining and can engage without a war dec)
you wardec to interfere with PvE focused players having fun, tough luck

As I stated: You are not protected from nonconsensual PvP, but neither are you guaranteed nonconsensual PVP

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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You wardec a corporation
They form a temporary alliance transferring the wardec to willing participants
They leave the alliance making them non-targets
You get nonconsensual PVP with hardcore combatants and the non-combatants continue on their way

Sounds fine to me, it's a lot more cost effective than hiring mercs or paying a BS ransom

you wardec for high security conflict, you get it
you wardec to try and take a high sec pos out, tough (deal with it; only thing really in high sec is research stations, low sec and 0.0 you have moon mining and can engage without a war dec)
you wardec to interfere with PvE focused players having fun, tough luck

As I stated: You are not protected from nonconsensual PvP, but neither are you guaranteed nonconsensual PVP

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Are you really this stupid?

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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The wardec system in general is open to misuse by many, so a ability to render misuse null and void is a good thing.

Just means the carebears learned the system and adapted, now it's your turn chuckles. Either adapt and overcome, or more likely just B&M about how your activities are curtailed by people finding ways to avoid dealing with you.


You can engage a POS in 0.4 and lower without a wardec (and iirc 0.5+ has no moon mining operations, and is usually research and possibly some construction sites)

You may get a criminal standing hit, but you can do it

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These are the people who have migrated from WoW, and who wish for a PvP flag in Eve more than anything else. Eve is getting more carebear friendly every day.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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The wardec system in general is open to misuse by many, so a ability to render misuse null and void is a good thing.

Just means the carebears learned the system and adapted, now it's your turn chuckles. Either adapt and overcome, or more likely just B&M about how your activities are curtailed by people finding ways to avoid dealing with you.


You can engage a POS in 0.4 and lower without a wardec (and iirc 0.5+ has no moon mining operations, and is usually research and possibly some construction sites)

You may get a criminal standing hit, but you can do it

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Been petioned and reported multiple times as not an exploit.

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Originally by: Suitonia

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So if I had an invincible POS you wouldn't think that was an exploit?

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Originally by: Noodle Pastaman

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The problem? quite simply is most people who play EVE dont want non-consentual PVP.
CCP care about who pays the bills and quite simply its 'carebears' as opposed to minority thugs

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Originally by: Empyre

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you can't even use that argument. a person could tear down their empire pos in the 24 hours wait time for hostilities to start. so there's literally no way you could infer pos are 'invincible' as a result of this service. a cop wastes my time when he pulls me over but i'd have a hell of a time convincing a court that was his intention.

besides. you can't do much with an empire pos anyway. basically all you can do is research and even then you're only saving a little time and about 1.5m/mo per slot. don't be such a crybaby because you can't absolutely wtfpwn people and everything they own, who just want the option to be left alone.

i swear sometimes.. some pvpers can be more whiny than carebears.

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PS. 505 are crap tbh. I'll let you do the wardecking though, as if we dec you you'll just run and hide in iMune Twisted Evil

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Originally by: Ashley Snow

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LOL tough guy on the forum!! Real easy to spout off at everyone. How bout you show us all you have a clue what your talking bout. Show us how good you are at pvp mr. forum thug!!

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Originally by: Vyruce

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Edited by: Vyruce on 01/01/2008 06:41:37
This is an stupid exploit of game mechanics and I hope everyone who uses it gets banned forever! I am in a PVP anti-carebear corp that carefully selects its targets. We always scout out the corps before we wardec them to make sure they're miners or noob carebears flying around in nothing bigger than a cruiser. Now they can join this stupid iMune alliance and we have to fight PVPers we weren't ready for. This is unfair griefing! We don't want to fight against other PVPers, we only want to fight against carebears. CCP better fix this exploit quick.

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Originally by: Byggare B0b

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I strongly suggest ccp fix this by simply removing all concord and sentry guns in highsec, but keeping capitals from entering.

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Originally by: Virginija

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think about it logically. if ccp wanted corps to avoid wars, when corps dont want to fight, they could implement "end war" button or something. when you dont fight, you press and war is over. but... there is no such thing. its clearly an exploit and what needs to be done is upgrade war tracker that when corp leaves ally (assuming it was decced before joining ally) wars should be trasfered back on a corp. my 2 cents.

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Originally by: Vyruce

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Edited by: Vyruce on 01/01/2008 06:41:37
This is an stupid exploit of game mechanics and I hope everyone who uses it gets banned forever! I am in a PVP anti-carebear corp that carefully selects its targets. We always scout out the corps before we wardec them to make sure they're miners or noob carebears flying around in nothing bigger than a cruiser. Now they can join this stupid iMune alliance and we have to fight PVPers we weren't ready for. This is unfair griefing! We don't want to fight against other PVPers, we only want to fight against carebears. CCP better fix this exploit quick.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Empyre, please read the thread before spouting off BS. Your argument has already been proposed and summarily shot down a page or two before this one. Bottom line, learn POS mechanics or stfu.

PS. 505 are crap tbh. I'll let you do the wardecking though, as if we dec you you'll just run and hide in iMune

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Originally by: Wyliee

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i consider this cheating and abuse of game mechanics.

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Originally by: Kelron Queldine

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People aren't complaining that they could dec a mining corp and end up having to fight PvPers. The complaint is that they could dec a mining corp and the mining corp can get out of the dec in 2 days.

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Originally by: Suitonia

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Originally by: Virginija

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think about it logically. if ccp wanted corps to avoid wars, when corps dont want to fight, they could implement "end war" button or something. when you dont fight, you press and war is over. but... there is no such thing. its clearly an exploit and what needs to be done is upgrade war tracker that when corp leaves ally (assuming it was decced before joining ally) wars should be trasfered back on a corp. my 2 cents.

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/signed

This is the best solution in my opinion. Alliances can still protect corps at war if they want to, which doesn't completely ruin the 'iMune' idea, iMune could still operate as a shelter to corps and have in alliance pvpers fight with the agressors. It doesn't impose restrictions to a corps freedom (as in not being able to quit an alliance for a week, or still join alliances at war). It solves the invincible highsec POS problem since leaving the alliance would still mean the corp would be at war, so the POS would still be fair game. Highsec wardec corps are guranteed pew pew with a corp for the week they paid for, or at least able to lock them down and disrupt their activies for a week if they don't undock.

Basically, this option is the most fair to all types of players. And the pvp part of iMune, that seemed to be well recieved, if it ever takes off is still viable.

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Originally by: Empyre

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wtf say wha who where? how about this. i know pos mechanics inside and out and i can even stick them sideways up clueless peoples' exhaust pipes.

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Originally by: Empyre

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now, show me where this has 'been discussed and shot down' by anyone of any relevance and i'll show you how much i care. and i could give a rats arse about your war decs. there is more than one way to make an empire war dec'er waste their money and my alt army can handle a couple of them.

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Originally by: Empyre

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iMune just makes it convenient. stop crying now, everything will be alright. i know you'll miss popping n00b haulers but you'll survive.. much to my disappointment.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Apparently you don't know enough about POS mechanics to realise how iMune makes high sec POSes immune to any single corp.

I am sure you are well versed in the art of cowering like a chicken.

Yes, everything will be alright. CCP will change the mechanics, meaning I can pop your n00b hauler all day long.

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Originally by: Adelorae24

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The venom coming from some of you is so funny. I for one am happy to see someone thinking about how they can use the game to their advantage. I'm also quite interested to see how this plays out with the new Muffin RAK "unofficial alliance". Should provide some entertainment.

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Originally by: Empyre

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1) apparently you assume too much about what i know/care about.

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Originally by: Empyre

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2) more proof you have no clue. either that or you had zero exposure to any major wars of the last 2 years.

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Originally by: Empyre

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3) you can try to pop a stabbed up crane all you want. i'll laugh at your stupid arse all day long.

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Originally by: Empyre

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don't pretend you know anything about me or my intentions or accomplishments. because in reality, you're just talking straight out of your arse.

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Adelorae24

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The venom coming from some of you is so funny. I for one am happy to see someone thinking about how they can use the game to their advantage. I'm also quite interested to see how this plays out with the new Muffin RAK "unofficial alliance". Should provide some entertainment.

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This is really sad. That Muffin Factory would have anything to do with RAK really devalues them in my mind.

-Karlemgne

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Originally by: Ki An

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I assume you care about saving your own yellow skin rather than getting rid of an exploit that ruins Eve for lots of people.

The only one who has proved he has no clue here is you, dear Empyre. If you would kindly read the thread and then see what you have written and I am sure you will find yourself so full of **** you won't post ever again.

I have, I am and I will.

The things I have gathered so far about your intentions and accomplishments is:

Intentions - make Eve have a PvP flag.
Accomplishments - Not applicable.

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Originally by: Empyre

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keeping it in a system that condones the genocide of new players so that some people who are bored with the game and have a taste for grieving can get their jollies at the expense of a ton of work done by a new player just trying to learn the ropes of the game

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Originally by: Empyre

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90% os statistics are made up on the spot by people who assume the rest of the world thinks just like they do. get over yourself.

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Originally by: Empyre

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no i don't want a pvp flag. but i also don't want chicken crap screwball idiots who think that sitting near jita in a gang of folks that outnumber and skill a small new player corp popping their haulers and t1 ships because they're too scared to take their investments into 0.0 (a place where my assets tab is littered with tons of isk worth of stuff in).

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Originally by: Empyre

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it's the equivalent of the little kiddies using cheats in multiplayer games and claiming they are the best because of it.

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Originally by: Empyre

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get over yourself and stop trolling. you couldn't pop a single ship that mattered to me in any way, shape or form because you simply have no clue which character of mine is flying them.

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Originally by: Empyre

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fact of the matter is, anyone who has played the game for a significant period of time doesn't even need iMune to get out of an empire war. the fact they are making it convenient is what has peoples' undies in a bunch.

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Originally by: Empyre

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fixing the war system is the ONLY thing i can agree with you on. but keeping it in a system that condones the genocide of new players so that some people who are bored with the game and have a taste for grieving can get their jollies at the expense of a ton of work done by a new player just trying to learn the ropes of the game is quite unbalanced.

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Originally by: Empyre

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it takes me literally no time to make the money to war dec another corp. a new player doesn't have that luxury. so saying 'they could just surrender and pay' or the like is just ridiculous.

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Originally by: Empyre

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there, i'm defining my argument. got any more input troll?

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Sure it hurts mercs some (but hey just raise your rates for the multiple wardecs you have to file)

Uses of a POS in high sec:
moon mining - nope 0.3 or lower (criminal flag on attack in 0.3 to 0.1 sec space but no concord intervention)
Booster production - not sure on the new ones, but I do know older ones are limited to 0.5 and lower space (and not sure you can even anchor the modules needed in empire)
research - yes
manufacturing - yes (no real benefit, and no capital construction)
refinery - yes (only useful in systems with no stations, but usually cheaper to haul it out one jump to a station)

So reasons for wardecs against corps with POS in empire: disrupt research and manufacturing activity.

So it just got harder to harass small corporations in high sec.



You are not protected from nonconsensual PVP, nor are you guaranteed non consensual PVP

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Originally by: Empyre

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i'm tired of quoting your posts. it's way too much work to clean up the quoting for a troll. so here you go.. i'll make it easy for you.

omg, i'm so scurred of your 2 month, 17 day character! please don't threaten me on CAOD! please please please! i'll do anything!

your superiority complex is misplaced. your mom was just kidding when she said you were special. well, either that or she meant it in a different way.

(you spin and form baseless arguments and i'll just return the favor)

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Sure it hurts mercs some (but hey just raise your rates for the multiple wardecs you have to file)

Uses of a POS in high sec:
moon mining - nope 0.3 or lower (criminal flag on attack in 0.3 to 0.1 sec space but no concord intervention)
Booster production - not sure on the new ones, but I do know older ones are limited to 0.5 and lower space (and not sure you can even anchor the modules needed in empire)
research - yes
manufacturing - yes (no real benefit, and no capital construction)
refinery - yes (only useful in systems with no stations, but usually cheaper to haul it out one jump to a station)

So reasons for wardecs against corps with POS in empire: disrupt research and manufacturing activity.

So it just got harder to harass small corporations in high sec.



You are not protected from nonconsensual PVP, nor are you guaranteed non consensual PVP

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Find another record, m8. This one is scratched.

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Sure it hurts mercs some (but hey just raise your rates for the multiple wardecs you have to file)

Uses of a POS in high sec:
moon mining - nope 0.3 or lower (criminal flag on attack in 0.3 to 0.1 sec space but no concord intervention)
Booster production - not sure on the new ones, but I do know older ones are limited to 0.5 and lower space (and not sure you can even anchor the modules needed in empire)
research - yes
manufacturing - yes (no real benefit, and no capital construction)
refinery - yes (only useful in systems with no stations, but usually cheaper to haul it out one jump to a station)

So reasons for wardecs against corps with POS in empire: disrupt research and manufacturing activity.

So it just got harder to harass small corporations in high sec.



You are not protected from nonconsensual PVP, nor are you guaranteed non consensual PVP

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Oh, well if you had a valid argument against anything there post it.

And everything there is a fact silly boy about what you can use on a high-sec station.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.

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Originally by: Empyre

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Originally by: Ki An

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Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.

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my bad, 2 month and 18 days. hm, interesting.. tell us more..

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Originally by: Empyre

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Originally by: Ki An

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Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.

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hm interesting, tell me more. even still, you aren't coming within 10 feet of this character and doing anything. not unless you have a way of cinvincing concord to let you start fights in stations.

(even moreso, this toon has almost a year on you and i've got at least an alt or two around your age. lol, call me amused by this troll)

I <3 empire.. usually.

Originally by: Suitonia

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Sure it hurts mercs some (but hey just raise your rates for the multiple wardecs you have to file)

Uses of a POS in high sec:
moon mining - nope 0.3 or lower (criminal flag on attack in 0.3 to 0.1 sec space but no concord intervention)
Booster production - not sure on the new ones, but I do know older ones are limited to 0.5 and lower space (and not sure you can even anchor the modules needed in empire)
research - yes
manufacturing - yes (no real benefit, and no capital construction)
refinery - yes (only useful in systems with no stations, but usually cheaper to haul it out one jump to a station)

So reasons for wardecs against corps with POS in empire: disrupt research and manufacturing activity.

So it just got harder to harass small corporations in high sec.



You are not protected from nonconsensual PVP, nor are you guaranteed non consensual PVP

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Manufacturing/research in highsec has the benefit of not being visited by dreads, it also means that you do not have to travel in lowsec, thus avoiding camps if any of them. Also, It's not about harrasing small corporations, it's about harrasing the bigger ones that get their supplies and equipment from them, the bigger ones that can afford to pay you off a healthy sum. And who said it's about harrasing small corporations anyway, many wardeccing corporations will aim to dec a corp with many more numbers than themselves for a steady diet of targets.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Empyre

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Originally by: Ki An

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Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.

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my bad, 2 month and 18 days. hm, interesting.. tell us more..

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You are really stupid, did you know that? Try checking my employment history, ya nub

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Originally by: Empyre

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hm interesting, tell me more. even still, you aren't coming within 10 feet of this character and doing anything. not unless you have a way of cinvincing concord to let you start fights in stations.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Empyre

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Originally by: Ki An

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Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.

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my bad, 2 month and 18 days. hm, interesting.. tell us more..

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You are really stupid, did you know that? Try checking my employment history, ya nub

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Empyre

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Originally by: Ki An

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Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.

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my bad, 2 month and 18 days. hm, interesting.. tell us more..

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You are really stupid, did you know that? Try checking my employment history, ya nub

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pwnd

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Originally by: Empyre

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oh yes.. someone save me! guess i have no choice but to quit the game now.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Oh, well if you had a valid argument against anything there post it.

And everything there is a fact silly boy about what you can use on a high-sec station.

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Read all my other posts trying to educate you about what is wrong with your argument. I'll say this again:

1. Post with your main.
2. Stop discussing game mechanics if you don't know anything about them.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Originally by: Empyre

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oh yes.. someone save me! guess i have no choice but to quit the game now.

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You been playing since 2005, and you thought length in corp was char age...maybe you should

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Originally by: Galsia Yovinda

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Yet it is the smaller ones that will need the service most.

Most manufacturing in a POS suffers from a bit higher wastage rate than in stations (trade off in time and isk).

Many does not cover all, there are also many out there that pick on smaller corporations for kicks.

Setting up a station in low sec is available to all, high sec requires isk (both for the faction standing services and ongoing for the charters) beyond the normal POS costs.

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