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Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.01 12:41:00 - [181] Originally by: Vyruce Edited by: Vyruce on 01/01/2008 06:41:37 This is an stupid exploit of game mechanics and I hope everyone who uses it gets banned forever! I am in a PVP anti-carebear corp that carefully selects its targets. We always scout out the corps before we wardec them to make sure they're miners or noob carebears flying around in nothing bigger than a cruiser. Now they can join this stupid iMune alliance and we have to fight PVPers we weren't ready for. This is unfair griefing! We don't want to fight against other PVPers, we only want to fight against carebears. CCP better fix this exploit quick. I know this is a troll post and replying is probably a waste of my time, but I shall use it to illustrate my point. People aren't complaining that they could dec a mining corp and end up having to fight PvPers. The complaint is that they could dec a mining corp and the mining corp can get out of the dec in 2 days. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.01.01 16:42:00 - [182] Originally by: Ki An Empyre, please read the thread before spouting off BS. Your argument has already been proposed and summarily shot down a page or two before this one. Bottom line, learn POS mechanics or stfu. PS. 505 are crap tbh. I'll let you do the wardecking though, as if we dec you you'll just run and hide in iMune wtf say wha who where? how about this. i know pos mechanics inside and out and i can even stick them sideways up clueless peoples' exhaust pipes. now, show me where this has 'been discussed and shot down' by anyone of any relevance and i'll show you how much i care. and i could give a rats arse about your war decs. there is more than one way to make an empire war dec'er waste their money and my alt army can handle a couple of them. iMune just makes it convenient. stop crying now, everything will be alright. i know you'll miss popping n00b haulers but you'll survive.. much to my disappointment. I <3 empire.. usually.
Wyliee Taurus Inc	Posted - 2008.01.01 17:09:00 - [183] i consider this cheating and abuse of game mechanics.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.01 17:38:00 - [184] Originally by: Wyliee i consider this cheating and abuse of game mechanics. ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Wyliee Taurus Inc	Posted - 2008.01.01 17:40:00 - [185] this has just happened to us today - "The war between Unethical Medical Services and Taurus Inc is coming to an end. Unethical Medical Services has surrendered to Taurus Inc. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours." imune have 17 members, they have no intention of protecting anyone, they have set this up to use a gapping hole in game mechanics. there are many reasons for war decs, and not just killing carebears, but also removing competion, pos's, other mining corps etc etc. as a merc corp our whole game revolves around war and war decs in empire space. it is no longer possible for us to take out a high sec pos, as it is easy for a corp to put enough stront into a pos to keep it alive till they can make use of this exploit. is crap, well beyond crap, how can we get ccp to lok this way and see this is going on?
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.01.01 17:41:00 - [186] Originally by: Kelron Queldine People aren't complaining that they could dec a mining corp and end up having to fight PvPers. The complaint is that they could dec a mining corp and the mining corp can get out of the dec in 2 days. Since Imune aren't fighting anyone, you just get to war dec a mining corp and then end up fighting nobody
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.01 17:49:00 - [187] Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: Virginija think about it logically. if ccp wanted corps to avoid wars, when corps dont want to fight, they could implement "end war" button or something. when you dont fight, you press and war is over. but... there is no such thing. its clearly an exploit and what needs to be done is upgrade war tracker that when corp leaves ally (assuming it was decced before joining ally) wars should be trasfered back on a corp. my 2 cents. /signed This is the best solution in my opinion. Alliances can still protect corps at war if they want to, which doesn't completely ruin the 'iMune' idea, iMune could still operate as a shelter to corps and have in alliance pvpers fight with the agressors. It doesn't impose restrictions to a corps freedom (as in not being able to quit an alliance for a week, or still join alliances at war). It solves the invincible highsec POS problem since leaving the alliance would still mean the corp would be at war, so the POS would still be fair game. Highsec wardec corps are guranteed pew pew with a corp for the week they paid for, or at least able to lock them down and disrupt their activies for a week if they don't undock. Basically, this option is the most fair to all types of players. And the pvp part of iMune, that seemed to be well recieved, if it ever takes off is still viable. Well put! One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.01 17:50:00 - [188] Originally by: Empyre wtf say wha who where? how about this. i know pos mechanics inside and out and i can even stick them sideways up clueless peoples' exhaust pipes. Apparently you don't know enough about POS mechanics to realise how iMune makes high sec POSes immune to any single corp. Originally by: Empyre now, show me where this has 'been discussed and shot down' by anyone of any relevance and i'll show you how much i care. and i could give a rats arse about your war decs. there is more than one way to make an empire war dec'er waste their money and my alt army can handle a couple of them. I am sure you are well versed in the art of cowering like a chicken. Originally by: Empyre iMune just makes it convenient. stop crying now, everything will be alright. i know you'll miss popping n00b haulers but you'll survive.. much to my disappointment. Yes, everything will be alright. CCP will change the mechanics, meaning I can pop your n00b hauler all day long.
Wynona Mesopotamia iMune Empire	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:04:00 - [189] Ahhh.... there's nothing quite like the smell of a fresh Concord mail in the morning. Oh, I know how much fun camping a station for hours and days can be, just sitting there ready to twitch, laughing about what will happen if the target undocks. Your target, they're like down the street drinking ale at the pub and laughing at the station-lickin' losers in cyberspace. Is Eve a game of who can lick which side of the window the longest? I say; save it for visitors day at the jail and go have some fun. Day 12: 13 corps of 609 members undocked and 20 war target corps of 450 acquired. Just in time for our 2nd resident PvP corp who starts tomorrow. Click here for Free War Removal Service
Wyliee Taurus Inc	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:07:00 - [190] Edited by: Wyliee on 01/01/2008 19:07:43 if they fit their ships anything like the rest of you guys is it going to be a larf. and lets hope they have a little more than the 17 members your current total is. lame
Ashley Snow Save our Souls	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:09:00 - [191] 505 is pleased to announce that we have accepted a position in the alliance as a resident pvp corp!! Oh so many targets!! Cant wait!
Adelorae24 Caldari Highwaymen	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:12:00 - [192] The venom coming from some of you is so funny. I for one am happy to see someone thinking about how they can use the game to their advantage. I'm also quite interested to see how this plays out with the new Muffin RAK "unofficial alliance". Should provide some entertainment. Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:24:00 - [193] I've got one word for this whole scheme: "Exploit." I hope CCP hits you so hard with the nerf bat that your skill points go into the negative. -Karlemgne
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:28:00 - [194] Originally by: Ki An Apparently you don't know enough about POS mechanics to realise how iMune makes high sec POSes immune to any single corp. I am sure you are well versed in the art of cowering like a chicken. Yes, everything will be alright. CCP will change the mechanics, meaning I can pop your n00b hauler all day long. 1) apparently you assume too much about what i know/care about. 2) more proof you have no clue. either that or you had zero exposure to any major wars of the last 2 years. 3) you can try to pop a stabbed up crane all you want. i'll laugh at your stupid arse all day long. don't pretend you know anything about me or my intentions or accomplishments. because in reality, you're just talking straight out of your arse. now that the troll is taken care of.. i'm truly glad there is a counter to those that like to dec defenseless new player corps and hide behind some ridiculous excuse attempting to justify why they're doing it. half of them are too cowardice to even step foot in lo-sec/0.0 and try to get everyone to buy this idea that they're not. does this hurt people that are NOT trying to war dec easy targets for grief? possibly, but i'd beg to wager it's minimal compared to the other. if someone was half the force they claim to be, the handful of folks in iMune absorbing the wars would be little more than a speed bump for them. ♦ whaaaaaaa. cry some more. I <3 empire.. usually.
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:28:00 - [195] Originally by: Adelorae24 The venom coming from some of you is so funny. I for one am happy to see someone thinking about how they can use the game to their advantage. I'm also quite interested to see how this plays out with the new Muffin RAK "unofficial alliance". Should provide some entertainment. This is really sad. That Muffin Factory would have anything to do with RAK really devalues them in my mind. -Karlemgne
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:33:00 - [196] Originally by: Empyre 1) apparently you assume too much about what i know/care about. I assume you care about saving your own yellow skin rather than getting rid of an exploit that ruins Eve for lots of people. Originally by: Empyre 2) more proof you have no clue. either that or you had zero exposure to any major wars of the last 2 years. The only one who has proved he has no clue here is you, dear Empyre. If you would kindly read the thread and then see what you have written and I am sure you will find yourself so full of ** you won't post ever again. Originally by:** Empyre 3) you can try to pop a stabbed up crane all you want. i'll laugh at your stupid arse all day long. I have, I am and I will. Originally by: Empyre don't pretend you know anything about me or my intentions or accomplishments. because in reality, you're just talking straight out of your arse. The things I have gathered so far about your intentions and accomplishments is: Intentions - make Eve have a PvP flag. Accomplishments - Not applicable.
Adelorae24 Caldari Highwaymen	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:36:00 - [197] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Adelorae24 The venom coming from some of you is so funny. I for one am happy to see someone thinking about how they can use the game to their advantage. I'm also quite interested to see how this plays out with the new Muffin RAK "unofficial alliance". Should provide some entertainment. This is really sad. That Muffin Factory would have anything to do with RAK really devalues them in my mind. -Karlemgne Wow... Some of you people get way to bent out of shape about this game. I mean c'mon Karl what possible effect is this going to have on lowsec/0.0 individuals like yourself? Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:44:00 - [198] Originally by: Ki An I assume you care about saving your own yellow skin rather than getting rid of an exploit that ruins Eve for lots of people. The only one who has proved he has no clue here is you, dear Empyre. If you would kindly read the thread and then see what you have written and I am sure you will find yourself so full of **** you won't post ever again. I have, I am and I will. The things I have gathered so far about your intentions and accomplishments is: Intentions - make Eve have a PvP flag. Accomplishments - Not applicable. 90% os statistics are made up on the spot by people who assume the rest of the world thinks just like they do. get over yourself. no i don't want a pvp flag. but i also don't want chicken crap screwball idiots who think that sitting near jita in a gang of folks that outnumber and skill a small new player corp popping their haulers and t1 ships because they're too scared to take their investments into 0.0 (a place where my assets tab is littered with tons of isk worth of stuff in). it's the equivalent of the little kiddies using cheats in multiplayer games and claiming they are the best because of it. get over yourself and stop trolling. you couldn't pop a single ship that mattered to me in any way, shape or form because you simply have no clue which character of mine is flying them. fact of the matter is, anyone who has played the game for a significant period of time doesn't even need iMune to get out of an empire war. the fact they are making it convenient is what has peoples' undies in a bunch. fixing the war system is the ONLY thing i can agree with you on. but keeping it in a system that condones the genocide of new players so that some people who are bored with the game and have a taste for grieving can get their jollies at the expense of a ton of work done by a new player just trying to learn the ropes of the game is quite unbalanced. it takes me literally no time to make the money to war dec another corp. a new player doesn't have that luxury. so saying 'they could just surrender and pay' or the like is just ridiculous. there, i'm defining my argument. got any more input troll? I <3 empire.. usually.
Adelorae24 Caldari Highwaymen	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:52:00 - [199] Originally by: Empyre keeping it in a system that condones the genocide of new players so that some people who are bored with the game and have a taste for grieving can get their jollies at the expense of a ton of work done by a new player just trying to learn the ropes of the game ^^That... Sounds like a good idea to me. Thanks for suggesting it. Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:55:00 - [200] Originally by: Empyre 90% os statistics are made up on the spot by people who assume the rest of the world thinks just like they do. get over yourself. When the hell have I been quoting statistics? Originally by: Empyre no i don't want a pvp flag. but i also don't want chicken crap screwball idiots who think that sitting near jita in a gang of folks that outnumber and skill a small new player corp popping their haulers and t1 ships because they're too scared to take their investments into 0.0 (a place where my assets tab is littered with tons of isk worth of stuff in). You are so uninformed it's almost amusing. It's not the so called griefers that are hurt by this. Hell, the griefers use it. Read the threads about it and you'll find examples of this. The ones that are hurt are those who use the war mechanic as it is supposed to be used. I.e. settle differences, fight back oppression or theft, control of the market, etc. It has nothing to do with "lulz go to 0.0 griefer!!1!" you moron. Originally by: Empyre it's the equivalent of the little kiddies using cheats in multiplayer games and claiming they are the best because of it. Yes, this is EXACTLY like little kiddies using cheats. I agree completely. Originally by: Empyre get over yourself and stop trolling. you couldn't pop a single ship that mattered to me in any way, shape or form because you simply have no clue which character of mine is flying them. Chances are, if I face off against any one of your characters, he's dead. That's what matters to me. Originally by: Empyre fact of the matter is, anyone who has played the game for a significant period of time doesn't even need iMune to get out of an empire war. the fact they are making it convenient is what has peoples' undies in a bunch. True, there are lots of ways to break the game mechanics, and all of those need to be looked at too. The iMune exploit is just the tip of the iceberg. Originally by: Empyre fixing the war system is the ONLY thing i can agree with you on. but keeping it in a system that condones the genocide of new players so that some people who are bored with the game and have a taste for grieving can get their jollies at the expense of a ton of work done by a new player just trying to learn the ropes of the game is quite unbalanced. You have NO idea what you're talking about. Originally by: Empyre it takes me literally no time to make the money to war dec another corp. a new player doesn't have that luxury. so saying 'they could just surrender and pay' or the like is just ridiculous. Now you're talking about something else entirelly. Please keep to the subject at hand. Originally by: Empyre there, i'm defining my argument. got any more input troll? Yes, you're a big tosser.
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2008.01.01 19:59:00 - [201] Sure it hurts mercs some (but hey just raise your rates for the multiple wardecs you have to file) Uses of a POS in high sec: moon mining - nope 0.3 or lower (criminal flag on attack in 0.3 to 0.1 sec space but no concord intervention) Booster production - not sure on the new ones, but I do know older ones are limited to 0.5 and lower space (and not sure you can even anchor the modules needed in empire) research - yes manufacturing - yes (no real benefit, and no capital construction) refinery - yes (only useful in systems with no stations, but usually cheaper to haul it out one jump to a station) So reasons for wardecs against corps with POS in empire: disrupt research and manufacturing activity. So it just got harder to harass small corporations in high sec. You are not protected from nonconsensual PVP, nor are you guaranteed non consensual PVP
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:02:00 - [202] i'm tired of quoting your posts. it's way too much work to clean up the quoting for a troll. so here you go.. i'll make it easy for you. omg, i'm so scurred of your 2 month, 17 day character! please don't threaten me on CAOD! please please please! i'll do anything! your superiority complex is misplaced. your mom was just kidding when she said you were special. well, either that or she meant it in a different way. (you spin and form baseless arguments and i'll just return the favor) I <3 empire.. usually.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:03:00 - [203] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Sure it hurts mercs some (but hey just raise your rates for the multiple wardecs you have to file) Uses of a POS in high sec: moon mining - nope 0.3 or lower (criminal flag on attack in 0.3 to 0.1 sec space but no concord intervention) Booster production - not sure on the new ones, but I do know older ones are limited to 0.5 and lower space (and not sure you can even anchor the modules needed in empire) research - yes manufacturing - yes (no real benefit, and no capital construction) refinery - yes (only useful in systems with no stations, but usually cheaper to haul it out one jump to a station) So reasons for wardecs against corps with POS in empire: disrupt research and manufacturing activity. So it just got harder to harass small corporations in high sec. You are not protected from nonconsensual PVP, nor are you guaranteed non consensual PVP Find another record, m8. This one is scratched.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:04:00 - [204] Originally by: Empyre i'm tired of quoting your posts. it's way too much work to clean up the quoting for a troll. so here you go.. i'll make it easy for you. omg, i'm so scurred of your 2 month, 17 day character! please don't threaten me on CAOD! please please please! i'll do anything! your superiority complex is misplaced. your mom was just kidding when she said you were special. well, either that or she meant it in a different way. (you spin and form baseless arguments and i'll just return the favor) Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics.
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:10:00 - [205] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Sure it hurts mercs some (but hey just raise your rates for the multiple wardecs you have to file) Uses of a POS in high sec: moon mining - nope 0.3 or lower (criminal flag on attack in 0.3 to 0.1 sec space but no concord intervention) Booster production - not sure on the new ones, but I do know older ones are limited to 0.5 and lower space (and not sure you can even anchor the modules needed in empire) research - yes manufacturing - yes (no real benefit, and no capital construction) refinery - yes (only useful in systems with no stations, but usually cheaper to haul it out one jump to a station) So reasons for wardecs against corps with POS in empire: disrupt research and manufacturing activity. So it just got harder to harass small corporations in high sec. You are not protected from nonconsensual PVP, nor are you guaranteed non consensual PVP Find another record, m8. This one is scratched. Oh, well if you had a valid argument against anything there post it. And everything there is a fact silly boy about what you can use on a high-sec station.
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:10:00 - [206] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Sure it hurts mercs some (but hey just raise your rates for the multiple wardecs you have to file) Uses of a POS in high sec: moon mining - nope 0.3 or lower (criminal flag on attack in 0.3 to 0.1 sec space but no concord intervention) Booster production - not sure on the new ones, but I do know older ones are limited to 0.5 and lower space (and not sure you can even anchor the modules needed in empire) research - yes manufacturing - yes (no real benefit, and no capital construction) refinery - yes (only useful in systems with no stations, but usually cheaper to haul it out one jump to a station) So reasons for wardecs against corps with POS in empire: disrupt research and manufacturing activity. So it just got harder to harass small corporations in high sec. You are not protected from nonconsensual PVP, nor are you guaranteed non consensual PVP Manufacturing/research in highsec has the benefit of not being visited by dreads, it also means that you do not have to travel in lowsec, thus avoiding camps if any of them. Also, It's not about harrasing small corporations, it's about harrasing the bigger ones that get their supplies and equipment from them, the bigger ones that can afford to pay you off a healthy sum. And who said it's about harrasing small corporations anyway, many wardeccing corporations will aim to dec a corp with many more numbers than themselves for a steady diet of targets. --- I've always wondered about those Vagabond pilots...
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:12:00 - [207] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Oh, well if you had a valid argument against anything there post it. And everything there is a fact silly boy about what you can use on a high-sec station. Read all my other posts trying to educate you about what is wrong with your argument. I'll say this again: 1. Post with your main. 2. Stop discussing game mechanics if you don't know anything about them.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:14:00 - [208] Originally by: Ki An Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics. my bad, 2 month and 18 days. hm, interesting.. tell us more.. I <3 empire.. usually.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:15:00 - [209] Originally by: Empyre Originally by: Ki An Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics. my bad, 2 month and 18 days. hm, interesting.. tell us more.. You are really stupid, did you know that? Try checking my employment history, ya nub
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:15:00 - [210] Edited by: Empyre on 01/01/2008 20:18:06 Originally by: Empyre Originally by: Ki An Wtf are you talking about? You didn't refute ANY of my points, and I am way older than 2 months and 17 days. If you can't even use the game interface to find out my character age, you shouldn't take part in a discussion about game mechanics. hm interesting, tell me more. even still, you aren't coming within 10 feet of this character and doing anything. not unless you have a way of cinvincing concord to let you start fights in stations. (even moreso, this toon has almost a year on you and i've got at least an alt or two around your age. lol, call me amused by this troll) I <3 empire.. usually.

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