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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Inosin Edited by: Inosin on 15/01/2008 01:44:33
Quote: Strong people survive, stupid people cry
And this is an excuse for every low behavior?? Srry but there are red lines some people see them, some cant see them and some want not....
It's dangerous out there. Wars are fought. Fighting methods vary so much that it's not even clear when some wars start and when they end. And there sure ain't such a thing as a clean war.
If you believe otherwise you're a tool. ...
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Vashi Dokumentu
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Vashi Dokumentu on 15/01/2008 04:34:15
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 15/01/2008 00:29:00 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 15/01/2008 00:25:27
Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 14/01/2008 19:06:04
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Come on, you're smart enough to understand it without me, let me quote the important part :
Originally by: the official FAQ If the password was the only reason the ship had a right to be inside the starbase then the ship will be ejected from the force field. Anybody will then be free to board the ship and claim it.
It was a pw protected pos, therefore the ships inside had pos access : 1 - per corp pilot if ships were piloted 2 - per password.
The titan had no pilot so the only reason it could stay in the pos is the pw. Then the pos owner reseted the password.
Well. It's not RA's fault who spyied the pos owner or haxz00rz teh forum. It's a human fault. Like Shrike did, like Cyvok did, like this guy from D¦ did, like Seleene did.
Originally by: your link
A ship left unpiloted in space will have its starbase force field password cleared during the daily downtime.
The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. Where in the link you provided does it say that "super capital ships launched from their arrays will shoot 200km out of the POS, so you should have a pilot on standby there"? Hint: It doesn't, because it's not intended to happen.
Edit: Quote: The titan had no pilot so the only reason it could stay in the pos is the pw. Then the pos owner reseted the password.
Where did you read that the password of the POS was changed after the Titan was launched? I certainly couldn't find it written anywhere in this thread. Are you saying XXxXXxXLegionofWhateverXXxxXX had an inside guy that changed the POS pw after the titan was launched?
When I post somewhere, I read the op. The ship was launched. In a pos. Without a pilot of course. the POS didn't had the same password when it was stored. Eject.
Fully in the game mechanics and no bug involved.
I guess DMC changed the password BEFORE launching the titan just to Eject the RA guy. Then they felt safe to launch the titan.
I'm just guessing here, I wasn't there. But if I'm right, it's got to be petitionned by our side at least just to have a clear crystal official whatever GM/Dev that say "Supercapital theft are reimboursed". It's strange at first I though it was "No petition will be handled on caps". It was like this a year ago.
Anyway we need to know how supercap theft are handled.
I petitioned, i had an password to POS but and owner launched the titan, but GM`s claims that he changed the password before he did that, and titan was taken by "bug", which again been used by EVERY SINGLE TITAN PILOT OF THIS GAME = TO GET HIS TITAN OUT OF CAPITAL SHIP ASSEMBLEY ARRAY.
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Inosin Edited by: Inosin on 15/01/2008 01:44:33
Quote: Strong people survive, stupid people cry
And this is an excuse for every low behavior?? Srry but there are red lines some people see them, some cant see them and some want not....
It's dangerous out there. Wars are fought. Fighting methods vary so much that it's not even clear when some wars start and when they end. And there sure ain't such a thing as a clean war.
If you believe otherwise you're a tool.
Yup. I don't get why people are suprised, there's tons of scams in game, it's a game, you can say all you want about it reflecting on who you really are but that means squat. It just reflects on the type of gamer you are.
I don't play like that but it doesn't bother me that some people do. It's a ******* game, get over it. **** happens, or in this case, almost happened. -------
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D8 PREACHER
Reiskokopops
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mc Leech Actually this was all XIX not RA and was a beautiful scam planed well, done well and successful. Too bad this is now no longer Eve online its now WoW in space and scams are now being fixed by GMs. Soon we will all sit around an asteroid hold hands and sing tree huggers songs.
This game use to be all controlled by players, scams where encouraged, piracy was encouraged but I guess they recruited some ex-WoW GM's so now its becoming a carebear game.
Everything was done within game mechanics, it was ownerÆs stupidity that caused the loss of the titan, GM interference should have gotten him fired on the spot but I guess internal affairs are just as real as tooth fairy.
are you really stupid enough to believe this ?
yiu seem very familiar with wow
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.15 05:02:00 -
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guys its very simple.
Legion tried to scam DMC out of a titan. They used and exploit. GM returned the ship. Honestly Vashi should have recieved a ban for this.
Smart move by DMC: NO Pathetic move by legion: YES
there you have it
I driks lot Originally by: Peoke this is nothing to do with dmc this is 1 of the 4 alliance under attack by red. the 4 weve sworn our lives to.
SMASHKILL ATLAS CHAOS. SIMPLE
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D8 PREACHER
Reiskokopops
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Posted - 2008.01.15 05:08:00 -
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I am glad to see that common sense prevailed and dmc got the titan back.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.15 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hrin This is all intended game mechanics. If a unpiloted ship has no PW or the wrong PW it is ejected from the POS. To avoid this, you board the ship.
If this had been a carrier, the GM would not have intervened. DMC got very lucky with the petition.
i've never seen a battleship get bounced out of the shield after jetting it from sma, not sure why a titan should. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |

Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.15 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu Do not pyramid quote - Mitnal
Quote:
When I post somewhere, I read the op. The ship was launched. In a pos. Without a pilot of course. the POS didn't had the same password when it was stored. Eject.
Fully in the game mechanics and no bug involved.
I guess DMC changed the password BEFORE launching the titan just to Eject the RA guy. Then they felt safe to launch the titan.
I'm just guessing here, I wasn't there. But if I'm right, it's got to be petitionned by our side at least just to have a clear crystal official whatever GM/Dev that say "Supercapital theft are reimboursed". It's strange at first I though it was "No petition will be handled on caps". It was like this a year ago.
Anyway we need to know how supercap theft are handled.
I petitioned, i had an password to POS but and owner launched the titan, but GM`s claims that he changed the password before he did that, and titan was taken by "bug", which again been used by EVERY SINGLE TITAN PILOT OF THIS GAME = TO GET HIS TITAN OUT OF CAPITAL SHIP ASSEMBLEY ARRAY.
so your saying that every titan pilot has to chase down his ship after ejecting from an sma? Do you have to chase yours down when you ejct? Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |

Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.15 07:02:00 -
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Edited by: Zorland on 15/01/2008 07:02:21
Originally by: rgreat
People who will backstab you in a moment they feel it worth it.
I'm wondwering if 2 titans are worth it  You really should look yourself in the mirror more often...
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Kuto
Amarr Solar Dragons Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.15 07:48:00 -
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mmm, where can I get my share of "Backstabbing DMC" Fund? 
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.01.15 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu
I petitioned, i had an password to POS but and owner launched the titan, but GM`s claims that he changed the password before he did that, and titan was taken by "bug", which again been used by EVERY SINGLE TITAN PILOT OF THIS GAME = TO GET HIS TITAN OUT OF CAPITAL SHIP ASSEMBLEY ARRAY.
The bug would be that the Titan was jettisoned way outside the POS. Are you telling me that this has happened to every titan pilot in this game, and noone has ever bug reported it?
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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BigWhale
Gallente TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.15 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: BigWhale
You sir, have obviously never read the EULA. You should, you really should, then you will have enough knowledge to participate in debates like this.
Simply said, get a clue mister!
Did you have something to say on the subject, or are you just out to walk a bunch of alts?
I am my own alt, thank you very much. More on the subject: if you can't figure out what most of the people here are trying to tell then it is not my problem, however it is your problem if you don't know on which terms you can play the game and that CCP makes the rules. One of the rules is that you are not allowed to use bugs in the game in your advantage. Your previous post about EVE being a sandbox is void as the sandbox environment still has to conform to the rules of the game.
Read the EULA, it will help you understand this game better and it will make you think twice before posting nonsense on forums. You will also know what are punishments for using exploits.
Now, run along and until you read the EULA and understand it, please, make sure you don't post about 'sandboxes' in this thread.
And that is all there is to this subject.
DMC falling for this kind of a scam is another subject, which I will not comment. -- R, U & Y are letters, not words... |

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2008.01.15 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 14/01/2008 23:46:23 The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian (RA,UNL,Legion,UR etc) because even though he is blue to you, and you paid for protection, and he placed a bid at online auction as highest bidder, and you trust him and consider him a friend, he will still try to abuse game mechanics and take your stuff. Worst then a corp thief tbh, and then they call someone a hyena....
This is a stupid generalization. Not all Russians are in those alliances happily bandawgonning in the war, and not everyone in those alliances is Russian. However RA are known for their "creative" use of game mechanics:
logoffski, farming bugged static plexes for billions per day, now the Titan trick.
And they say that it's because the victim was not "real friend", they just paid for protection and that means it's ok to scam them I guess, "real friends" should have given you the Titan for free
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xRazoRx
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.15 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: xRazoRx on 15/01/2008 10:04:04
Damn, i should change "stupid" to "alt".
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BigWhale
Gallente TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.15 11:15:00 -
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So, you ran out of arguments... Thank you for your cooperation. -- R, U & Y are letters, not words... |

Darklin Eldaris
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.01.15 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Omeega
Bug is the easy word for "incompetence" and bad knowledge of game mechanics.
When u launch a ship from within your own POS it should not be launched outside of the shield, to say a Titan launching from array far enough from the POS to be boarded by someone outside the shields is not a bug is pretty much preposterous.
I find it funny, although I'm not in the least surprised, that a member of RA actually ragged on a guy for not knowing how to haxploit every aspect of the game.
RA need to repeatedly be called out for what they are: Cheaters, Exploiters, ISK Salesmen/Farmers, and generally un-fun people to share game space with.
Go omgwtflogoff/onski-bookmark-bomb-pos-spam-super-***-steal-titan-hax some other game.
Seriously.
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Darklin Eldaris
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.01.15 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mc Leech Ask yourself this questions:
And now think about it for a second he got his titan back in less than 30 minutes and GM never even asked any of us what happened simply took it away didnÆt even bother to write us anything...
But GMs are fair and neutral right?
Okay I'm asking myself that question right now.
Hold on, I've got an answer.
The entirety of the game you play is frickin logged, GM's/CCP-esque people can easily look to game logs to see what happened. When the titan was launched, who boarded it, and where. I'm not positive, but they can probably even tell you to which point in space the titan was launched.
You never hear of GM's contacting both sides to "see what really happened" when a petition goes down. If that happened, I can think of a few enemies who would not have been reimbursed for their losses.
Gm's get petition, they read it, they check their logs and apply what action is needed.
It's not a conspiracy against you.
Let me break it down for you:
You guys are cheaters, you cheated to try and get a titan, and succeeded momentarily. This guy hits up CCP like, "hey, these guys are cheaters." CCP says to you, " Ummmm, yeah we're gonna need that titan back you Cheaty McCheatsters. *yoink*"
Engage Russian tears.
Honestly, don't you know how f**king ******** you look guys?
"Waaaah we're the worst exploiters and super-lame-oh's ever to see the gaming community, Waaaah"
That's all I hear.
Go punch a baby or lie to your mom or something. I dunno, whatever you guys do with your spare time.
WTS: Dignity, Honor, Shame -- convo me with offers.
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MAXSuicide
Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.15 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2008 18:02:45
Originally by: MAXSuicide i have little sympathy tbh, the russians have done this kind of thing dozens of time. You should never have went into business with them. They are the most untrustworthy/unreliable 'ally' anyone can have. (que goon troll?)
Somebody help me please. "The Russians" mean who ? RA ? AAA ? UNL ? Any big alliance I would have forgot ?
Are you speaking about an irl country or just of an ingame alliance ?
Russian is not only spoke in Russia. Or not only in RA.
Same about French and TCF, German and D¦, finnish (I guess) in FinFleet, etc.
RA isn't the Russia, as TCF isn't the France. Don't make this mistake, there is a lot more than "just" french ppl and russian ppl in our alliances. TCF is only half french for example.
wow, way to make it far too technical.
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Darklin Eldaris
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.01.15 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Factor Benz The GM's have no business interfering in the game, whatsoever. That has been a major problem in MMOs in the past and will be in the future. As soon as people figure this out, drama like this will cease to occur. GMs should not move people unless they are unable to move themselves. GMs should not act as "neutral" mediators in cases such as this.
A GM interfering and returning a titan in a case such as this is absolutely ******* ridiculous. Where do I send the application for a pet gm?
Step 1:
Please re-read the emboldened part of your quote above.
Step 2: Refer to the definition below ( research this yourself if you feel the need )
A Gamemaster or Game Master (often abbreviated as GM) is a player in a multiplayer game who acts as organizer, arbitrator, and officiant in rules situations.
Step 3:
Punch yourself in the mouth
Remember its Think THEN Speak, not make yourself look like a do*che
Think, then speak.
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Sin Talon
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Posted - 2008.01.15 12:25:00 -
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Well what can I say, RA what a big disappointment. Really thought RA was better than that, wow was I wrong.
Being paid to protect an alliance, then send their pet Ka-tet to attack that allliance that they protected. Ka-tet was getting it's butt kicked so RA had no choice but to do their own dirty work directly.
Can RA really sink any lower?
Any corp/alliance that are not part of RA or it's pets, I would strongly recommend that before having any dealing with them make sure you don't forget to hire someone to watch your back.
As for XIX if they are part of the RA alliance then they both share the responsibility.
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Darklin Eldaris
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.01.15 12:34:00 -
[231]
Originally by: arghy steelwill Wait so he couldent even fly the thing yet he wanted to eject it and let it float free?
Also you guys need to get this through your head that we dont care about honor hahah its like abuncha empire pubbies screaming at us for being dishonorable. If they had stolen your titan i would have patted them on the back and said good job. Its not an exploit because you idiots ejected a titan without a goddamn pilot which would have stoped this from happening, instead your stupidity caused the titan to bounce out of shields and they did what anyone would do and grabbed it.
TCF/AAA/UNL/IAC/GS are pretty much the only people in eve who really matter haha i can tell you GS isent going to turn on RA anytime soon so i doubt any of the RSF is going to turn on them. So RA, keep on shineing maybe scam a titan for your brosefs cause we arent getting one any time soon but remember that any action you choose to take GS's got your back cause you've always had ours.
It's a bug.
It's a bug.
For the love of god it's a f*cking bug.
Holy sh*tb*lls guys. Whens the last time u launched a ship from a POS and it flew 200km off the POS by itself?
Tell me one time that happened to you.
Its NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. It therefore doesn't matter if the dude knew it was gonna happen, or if he's stupid or whatever. Fine, theres a known bug where titans eject at 5k and go flying off into space. A known bug, a known bug, a known bug, a known bug.
Even if the guy was stupid enough to launch knowing that the bug was there, it is still a bug.
If i knew such a bug existed and had a titan I would launch it 12 times a day to see it go flying at 5k, i'd let some random dude steal it, and then I'd petition for laughs and do it again. Because its a bug, i.e. not within intended game mechanics, i.e. if it happens and you petition it will be fixed.
Because its a bug.
Stupid or not stupid, its unfair for ppl to lose things due to CCP's faulty unintended programming errors.
What if there was a bug where undocking in an ibis caused ur wallet to go to 0. If you had a lapse in memory one day and undocked, killing your wallet: should you then be forced to live with CCP's mistake and eat the loss of all your ISK simply "because you're stupid".
I think not, that's not how it works.
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Darklin Eldaris
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.01.15 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sin Talon Well what can I say, RA what a big disappointment. Really thought RA was better than that, wow was I wrong.
Being paid to protect an alliance, then send their pet Ka-tet to attack that allliance that they protected. Ka-tet was getting it's butt kicked so RA had no choice but to do their own dirty work directly.
Can RA really sink any lower?
Any corp/alliance that are not part of RA or it's pets, I would strongly recommend that before having any dealing with them make sure you don't forget to hire someone to watch your back.
As for XIX if they are part of the RA alliance then they both share the responsibility.
You thought RA was better than that?
How old is your character?
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Sin Talon
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Posted - 2008.01.15 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Talon on 15/01/2008 12:42:18 Edited by: Sin Talon on 15/01/2008 12:41:29
Originally by: Darklin Eldaris
Originally by: arghy steelwill Wait so he couldent even fly the thing yet he wanted to eject it and let it float free?
Also you guys need to get this through your head that we dont care about honor hahah its like abuncha empire pubbies screaming at us for being dishonorable. If they had stolen your titan i would have patted them on the back and said good job. Its not an exploit because you idiots ejected a titan without a goddamn pilot which would have stoped this from happening, instead your stupidity caused the titan to bounce out of shields and they did what anyone would do and grabbed it.
TCF/AAA/UNL/IAC/GS are pretty much the only people in eve who really matter haha i can tell you GS isent going to turn on RA anytime soon so i doubt any of the RSF is going to turn on them. So RA, keep on shineing maybe scam a titan for your brosefs cause we arent getting one any time soon but remember that any action you choose to take GS's got your back cause you've always had ours.
It's a bug.
It's a bug.
For the love of god it's a f*cking bug.
Holy sh*tb*lls guys. Whens the last time u launched a ship from a POS and it flew 200km off the POS by itself?
Tell me one time that happened to you.
Its NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. It therefore doesn't matter if the dude knew it was gonna happen, or if he's stupid or whatever. Fine, theres a known bug where titans eject at 5k and go flying off into space. A known bug, a known bug, a known bug, a known bug.
Even if the guy was stupid enough to launch knowing that the bug was there, it is still a bug.
If i knew such a bug existed and had a titan I would launch it 12 times a day to see it go flying at 5k, i'd let some random dude steal it, and then I'd petition for laughs and do it again. Because its a bug, i.e. not within intended game mechanics, i.e. if it happens and you petition it will be fixed.
Because its a bug.
Stupid or not stupid, its unfair for ppl to lose things due to CCP's faulty unintended programming errors.
What if there was a bug where undocking in an ibis caused ur wallet to go to 0. If you had a lapse in memory one day and undocked, killing your wallet: should you then be forced to live with CCP's mistake and eat the loss of all your ISK simply "because you're stupid".
I think not, that's not how it works.
Sounds a bit like when you warp to a bookmark in an asteroid feild and and a roid is occupying that space it throws you away from it a 10 - 20 times faster than max speed of the ship. Might be it was launched and something was occupying that space so same thing happened.
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Sin Talon
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Posted - 2008.01.15 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Darklin Eldaris
Originally by: Sin Talon Well what can I say, RA what a big disappointment. Really thought RA was better than that, wow was I wrong.
Being paid to protect an alliance, then send their pet Ka-tet to attack that allliance that they protected. Ka-tet was getting it's butt kicked so RA had no choice but to do their own dirty work directly.
Can RA really sink any lower?
Any corp/alliance that are not part of RA or it's pets, I would strongly recommend that before having any dealing with them make sure you don't forget to hire someone to watch your back.
As for XIX if they are part of the RA alliance then they both share the responsibility.
You thought RA was better than that?
How old is your character?
Obviously not old enough
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General Windypops
Gallente Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.01.15 13:08:00 -
[235]
Originally by: rgreat Edited by: rgreat on 15/01/2008 00:22:42
Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian
Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets.
We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful ôonly-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAPö cerebears. People who will backstab you in a moment they feel it worth it.
If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend?
See you on the battlefield. May e-honor be with you.
P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;)
This is just priceless! Considering how much smack there has been towards BoB for 'treating allies with contempt' and the fact that that's 'the reason for their failure' I can't wait to see how this pans out.
I guess some people just aren't bright enough to learn from history, eh?
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xRazoRx
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.15 13:13:00 -
[236]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: rgreat Edited by: rgreat on 15/01/2008 00:22:42
Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian
Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets.
We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful “only-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAP” cerebears. People who will backstab you in a moment they feel it worth it.
If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend?
See you on the battlefield. May e-honor be with you.
P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;)
This is just priceless! Considering how much smack there has been towards BoB for 'treating allies with contempt' and the fact that that's 'the reason for their failure' I can't wait to see how this pans out.
I guess some people just aren't bright enough to learn from history, eh?
Link to a post of a RA member smacking BoB about 'treating allies with contempt' or stfu 
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Pastora
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.15 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Pastora on 15/01/2008 13:36:53
Don't forget, we're the good guys!
This: http://youtube.com/watch?v=c4diQEwrjv8 _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants. |

Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.01.15 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Krychton Edited by: Krychton on 13/01/2008 17:40:02 Don't you mean "launched"?
I kept thinking you taking someone named titan out for lunch. 
no he took titant out for lunch obvusly, instead of learning to spell :)
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.15 14:50:00 -
[239]
It is revealing that most of the alts that post in this thread bitterly and self-righteously defending EVE-online rules of conduct set by CCP's GMs, are themselves only too happy to break (or circumvent) the rules of this forum (established by the same company) to be able to vent their fetid vitriol. This glaring double standard is the true measure of their credibility and intent. ...
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Khorian
Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:07:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Razin It is revealing that most of the alts that post in this thread bitterly and self-righteously defending EVE-online rules of conduct set by CCP's GMs, are themselves only too happy to break (or circumvent) the rules of this forum (established by the same company) to be able to vent their fetid vitriol. This glaring double standard is the true measure of their credibility and intent.
At least they are not exploiting in-game like xxxxxxxxlegionxxx
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