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Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 13/01/2008 17:43:12 As today this was brought up when i spoken to someone and i realized RA plays even more dirty then i could imagine - here is another post (we dont have enought of them so far about DMC yet): After RA offered 40 bil and we refused; there was this all known titan pilot; Vashi Dokumentu - i belive u all know him from all titan auctions He offered 120 bil for avatar; wow - nice and sweet deal and directlly to hands of our protectors (at this point RA have officially not yet said anything to us) -Vashi comes to our system, gets pos pasword, he said he will trust Unrah with full amount, board titan and be gone -all good, he wants to see it first -as pilot was not prepared we offered him screeny of capital array -he refuses as valid proff and asks for lunching -after some thoughts we decide to launched titan (ship should stay in shield, pasword was changed so all should be good) -ship lunched - bounced FAR out of shileds -he borded it with his alt, and insted of sending isk, he loged -ofc at this moment it was totaly clear what their true intentions was and we know for posibl bug of ejectin titan far away wich is bug -petition and exact info given obviuslly resulted by removing titan from Vashi and returning it to owner If RA/XIX would like to have it straight they could just have sended isk ower and trade would be done, insted hell - FREE titan. And now they r whining we have tried to scam them on the trade unbelivable but hey - read the baner _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
Patso Tappaja Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:39:00 - [2] 1st?! This Sig doesnt lack eve-online material THIS time.
Krychton Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Krychton on 13/01/2008 17:40:02 Don't you mean "launched"? I kept thinking you taking someone named titan out for lunch. ---- \|Omerta Syndicate\|
Callie Nefarious UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:39:00 - [4] It's ok, russians are soo angry, even ET rolls eyes on ya. Just try to put your efforts to fight us ingame, not on forums. sig nerfed by ebil mods
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Callie Nefarious It's ok, russians are soo angry, even ET rolls eyes on ya. Just try to put your efforts to fight us ingame, not on forums. Some things r better oog then ig; if u like to sex ig it is onlly your fault - i prefer oog _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:43:00 - [6] Well I might suggest you invite them over again and being pure evil you take and self-destruct the ship I know I would for the laugh. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Veng3ance Prophets Of a Damned Universe Elemental Fury	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:43:00 - [7] WOW, LOL. I really hate to say this but: nice move RA. Free titan \o/
Ungdall Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:44:00 - [8] So, what you're saying is, you used CCP as a means to fix what your incompetence got stolen? You didn't deserve to get that titan back, in fact, I don't think you deserve any of them if you would do something like that.
Disasemble Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:46:00 - [9] Read about this on SHC, first they try to steal the titan then buy it for less than it cost to build now using you as an excuse to flee from the GBC... pretty sad but happens. Get your assets safe then give them a bloodily nose. Originally by: Callie Nefarious It's ok, russians are soo angry, even ET rolls eyes on ya. Just try to put your efforts to fight us ingame, not on forums. Why, too embarrassed to admit your no better than what you accused BoB of?
Maro Tishika Caldari Guards of Heavens Door	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:46:00 - [10] so it was nice affair :D it should be the biggest scam in eve... and i dont see any BUG in this... XIX just used noob manufacturer :DD GMs saved ur ass... and your ally is dying cuz someone didnt get the titan... so now think: is that titan worth your allys' life? :DDDDDDDDDDD
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Ungdall So, what you're saying is, you used CCP as a means to fix what your incompetence got stolen? You didn't deserve to get that titan back, in fact, I don't think you deserve any of them if you would do something like that. Remember - RA friends RA/XIX protectors RA/XIX good guys RA/XIX honor RA/XIX Trust so we had no isue with it! I would now obviuslly! _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:47:00 - [12] hahaha oh man, drone regions people, never, ever change.
Omeega UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Cruel Fox -ofc at this moment it was totaly clear what their true intentions was and we know for posibl bug of ejectin titan far away wich is bug -petition and exact info given obviuslly resulted by removing titan from Vashi and returning it to owner Bug is the easy word for "incompetence" and bad knowledge of game mechanics. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Yussef Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:48:00 - [14] I don't get CCPs decision. I'm sure the many people who have lost things to their own stupidity are wondering why they weren't given their goods back. Originally by: Sergeant Spot --Did BoB "plan" to lose all its space? No, and it might not happen either, but even if it does, its still just a detail within a success
Disasemble Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Ungdall So, what you're saying is, you used CCP as a means to fix what your incompetence got stolen? You didn't deserve to get that titan back, in fact, I don't think you deserve any of them if you would do something like that. wow, goons turning on another brosef? What a surprise.
Kaar Art of War	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:49:00 - [16] And you wonder why people mock the drone region alliances. --- ---
XJennieX	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:52:00 - [17] seems to me red alliance have become as arrogant as bob that they have been fighting so long. but in a long run you guys are killing yourself with this kinda actions and arrogance. every dictator will fall if he starts to think he can do anything he likes. in the end you will get hordes of disgruntled people on your doorstep like bob now. and no im not bob or any of their pet alt but quite opposite..
SpiritOne Amarr Pandemic Influenza Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:52:00 - [18] in before we didn't want that titan anyway
Bilaz Minmatar Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:57:00 - [19] It was your greed that allowed Vashi to get into titan. And some questionable gm move that brought it back. And btw it was X.I.X scam to begin with so leave RA out of this.
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:57:00 - [20] wow thats amazing. diddnt they help themselves to a frege egg too? For "protection"? just wondering Wherever you go... There you are...
Ungdall Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Disasemble Originally by: Ungdall So, what you're saying is, you used CCP as a means to fix what your incompetence got stolen? You didn't deserve to get that titan back, in fact, I don't think you deserve any of them if you would do something like that. wow, goons turning on another brosef? What a surprise. Who exactly am I turning on? Certainly it is not RA, my most brosefy of brosefs, and surly it is not you, for I have never heard of you.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:00:00 - [22] XIX did almost the same thing a year ago to SMASH, doesn't anyone read the forums ?
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cruel Fox -ofc at this moment it was totaly clear what their true intentions was and we know for posibl bug of ejectin titan far away wich is bug -petition and exact info given obviuslly resulted by removing titan from Vashi and returning it to owner Bug is the easy word for "incompetence" and bad knowledge of game mechanics. FYI bouncing ship at 5K far out of pos shileds is not IMPLEMENTED and INTEDED to be like that! So pres F1 to F12 and do tutorials, read, and then post! _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:02:00 - [24] nice scams :O all those billions payed for protection yust to get kickedout by them when somone else pays them somei sk to alow that and a titan scamm :O but failed thx too ccp gm o.0 . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:03:00 - [25] Wrong decision by the gm. RA/x.noalts.x play dirty, but they are damn good at what they do, its a shame they couldnt keep the titan.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Cruel Fox Edited by: Cruel Fox on 13/01/2008 17:43:12 As today this was brought up when i spoken to someone and i realized RA plays even more dirty then i could imagine - here is another post (we dont have enought of them so far about DMC yet): After RA offered 40 bil and we refused; there was this all known titan pilot; Vashi Dokumentu - i belive u all know him from all titan auctions He offered 120 bil for avatar; wow - nice and sweet deal and directlly to hands of our protectors (at this point RA have officially not yet said anything to us) -Vashi comes to our system, gets pos pasword, he said he will trust Unrah with full amount, board titan and be gone -all good, he wants to see it first -as pilot was not prepared we offered him screeny of capital array -he refuses as valid proff and asks for lunching -after some thoughts we decide to launched titan (ship should stay in shield, pasword was changed so all should be good) -ship lunched - bounced FAR out of shileds -he borded it with his alt, and insted of sending isk, he loged -ofc at this moment it was totaly clear what their true intentions was and we know for posibl bug of ejectin titan far away wich is bug -petition and exact info given obviuslly resulted by removing titan from Vashi and returning it to owner If RA/XIX would like to have it straight they could just have sended isk ower and trade would be done, insted hell - FREE titan. And now they r whining we have tried to scam them on the trade unbelivable but hey - read the baner wait, you got scammed, and now you're petitioning? Are you ********? Next time use Chribba? Especially when selling a titan to your enemy, jackass. Now i know why DMC is falling apart.
Murina Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Cruel Fox Edited by: Cruel Fox on 13/01/2008 17:43:12 As today this was brought up when i spoken to someone and i realized RA plays even more dirty then i could imagine - here is another post (we dont have enought of them so far about DMC yet): After RA offered 40 bil and we refused; there was this all known titan pilot; Vashi Dokumentu - i belive u all know him from all titan auctions He offered 120 bil for avatar; wow - nice and sweet deal and directlly to hands of our protectors (at this point RA have officially not yet said anything to us) -Vashi comes to our system, gets pos pasword, he said he will trust Unrah with full amount, board titan and be gone -all good, he wants to see it first -as pilot was not prepared we offered him screeny of capital array -he refuses as valid proff and asks for lunching -after some thoughts we decide to launched titan (ship should stay in shield, pasword was changed so all should be good) -ship lunched - bounced FAR out of shileds -he borded it with his alt, and insted of sending isk, he loged -ofc at this moment it was totaly clear what their true intentions was and we know for posibl bug of ejectin titan far away wich is bug -petition and exact info given obviuslly resulted by removing titan from Vashi and returning it to owner If RA/XIX would like to have it straight they could just have sended isk ower and trade would be done, insted hell - FREE titan. And now they r whining we have tried to scam them on the trade unbelivable but hey - read the baner WTF are you doing even considering that RAGOON would actualy be honest in their dealings ffs, they even screw each other over in their own alliances let alone a outsider. SIG; Im designed to have the biggest jubblies in eve but they do not fit on my avatar :(
Disasemble Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Ungdall Originally by: Disasemble Originally by: Ungdall So, what you're saying is, you used CCP as a means to fix what your incompetence got stolen? You didn't deserve to get that titan back, in fact, I don't think you deserve any of them if you would do something like that. wow, goons turning on another brosef? What a surprise. Who exactly am I turning on? Certainly it is not RA, my most brosefy of brosefs, and surly it is not you, for I have never heard of you. Don't get upset because I inferred you were a desperate wannabe BoB. /hug Ungdall
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: Cruel Fox Edited by: Cruel Fox on 13/01/2008 17:43:12 As today this was brought up when i spoken to someone and i realized RA plays even more dirty then i could imagine - here is another post (we dont have enought of them so far about DMC yet): After RA offered 40 bil and we refused; there was this all known titan pilot; Vashi Dokumentu - i belive u all know him from all titan auctions He offered 120 bil for avatar; wow - nice and sweet deal and directlly to hands of our protectors (at this point RA have officially not yet said anything to us) -Vashi comes to our system, gets pos pasword, he said he will trust Unrah with full amount, board titan and be gone -all good, he wants to see it first -as pilot was not prepared we offered him screeny of capital array -he refuses as valid proff and asks for lunching -after some thoughts we decide to launched titan (ship should stay in shield, pasword was changed so all should be good) -ship lunched - bounced FAR out of shileds -he borded it with his alt, and insted of sending isk, he loged -ofc at this moment it was totaly clear what their true intentions was and we know for posibl bug of ejectin titan far away wich is bug -petition and exact info given obviuslly resulted by removing titan from Vashi and returning it to owner If RA/XIX would like to have it straight they could just have sended isk ower and trade would be done, insted hell - FREE titan. And now they r whining we have tried to scam them on the trade unbelivable but hey - read the baner wait, you got scammed, and now you're petitioning? Are you *******? Next time use Chribba? Especially when selling a titan to your enemy, jackass. Now i know why DMC is falling apart. oh god learn to read I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])*
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:10:00 - [30] omg go go russians
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Admiral Nova XIX did almost the same thing a year ago to SMASH, doesn't anyone read the forums ? Care to explain this or are unsubstantiated accusations passing as fact these days?
Ungdall Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Disasemble Originally by: Ungdall Originally by: Disasemble Originally by: Ungdall So, what you're saying is, you used CCP as a means to fix what your incompetence got stolen? You didn't deserve to get that titan back, in fact, I don't think you deserve any of them if you would do something like that. wow, goons turning on another brosef? What a surprise. Who exactly am I turning on? Certainly it is not RA, my most brosefy of brosefs, and surly it is not you, for I have never heard of you. Don't get upset because I inferred you were a desperate wannabe BoB. /hug Ungdall This must be psychological warfare, because I'm :psyduckin: pretty hard over here.
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Admiral Nova XIX did almost the same thing a year ago to SMASH, doesn't anyone read the forums ? Care to explain this or are unsubstantiated accusations passing as fact these days? SMASH actually scammed XIX, not the other way around.
Fortuk Monmouth Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:18:00 - [34] Originally by: HydroSan Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Admiral Nova XIX did almost the same thing a year ago to SMASH, doesn't anyone read the forums ? Care to explain this or are unsubstantiated accusations passing as fact these days? SMASH actually scammed XIX, not the other way around. AHAHAHAHAHAHA get your facts straight! ONE pilot in Smash scammed XIX, and guess what, he wasnt in Smash for very long after that... Originally by: hango Our corp chat is generally full of people e-hugging and e-snuggling. ISD is cool like that.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:19:00 - [35] Originally by: dastommy79 oh god learn to read i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense?
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:24:00 - [36] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: dastommy79 oh god learn to read i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense? it is simple, when u have a friend GM, it`s not a problem u can have what ever u want. You know the story with T20 right ?? same stuff
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: dastommy79 oh god learn to read i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense? lol read again! _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
Caldrion Dosto Svea Rike Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:25:00 - [38] Quote: i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense? The reason it was returned as i get it is that it¦s not supposed to bump the titan 5k of the array when undocked. That is a bug, witch it seems is known and therefor an exploit. XIX seemed to know this, but tried to do it anyway and hoped the gms wouldn¦t do anything i assume. if it is intended game mechanic to bump it long way out then i assume the gm¦s would not give it back.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:27:00 - [39] This.
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Caldrion Dosto Quote: i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense? The reason it was returned as i get it is that it¦s not supposed to bump the titan 5k of the array when undocked. That is a bug, witch it seems is known and therefor an exploit. XIX seemed to know this, but tried to do it anyway and hoped the gms wouldn¦t do anything i assume. if it is intended game mechanic to bump it long way out then i assume the gm¦s would not give it back. Thank we`ll have to ban everyone pilot of titans in eve, cuz they did get they titans that way. And it wasnt called a bug before scam hapend. IF the owner would be smart enought he would bought the skill..
Mc Leech The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:29:00 - [41] Actually this was all XIX not RA and was a beautiful scam planed well, done well and successful. Too bad this is now no longer Eve online its now WoW in space and scams are now being fixed by GMs. Soon we will all sit around an asteroid hold hands and sing tree huggers songs. This game use to be all controlled by players, scams where encouraged, piracy was encouraged but I guess they recruited some ex-WoW GM's so now its becoming a carebear game. Everything was done within game mechanics, it was ownerÆs stupidity that caused the loss of the titan, GM interference should have gotten him fired on the spot but I guess internal affairs are just as real as tooth fairy.
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Evil Thug This. Thats why ccp give it back, otherwise would GAZZZILLIAANS like this on picture from DMC.....
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu Originally by: Caldrion Dosto Quote: i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense? The reason it was returned as i get it is that it¦s not supposed to bump the titan 5k of the array when undocked. That is a bug, witch it seems is known and therefor an exploit. XIX seemed to know this, but tried to do it anyway and hoped the gms wouldn¦t do anything i assume. if it is intended game mechanic to bump it long way out then i assume the gm¦s would not give it back. Thank we`ll have to ban everyone pilot of titans in eve, cuz they did get they titans that way. And it wasnt called a bug before scam hapend. IF the owner would be smart enought he would bought the skill.. If u would be sincere and honest like all the rest of rusians clames to be u would take titan and send agreed isk and be flying one right now! But yea - read mine baner _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:32:00 - [44] Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 13/01/2008 18:32:50 God damn if we're not stuck killing BOB while RA has all the fun =/ ~goes riding bikes~
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu Originally by: Evil Thug This. Thats why ccp give it back, otherwise would GAZZZILLIAANS like this on picture from DMC..... Not really - but becouse game mechanic does not predict ship bouncing off! And u have nice pic of yuor after u loged back in _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
7sunami Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:35:00 - [46] Just wondering, Did this trade attempt happen AFTER RA attacks DMC?
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:35:00 - [47] not me came here on forum and post how it happend, so it should be you than
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:35:00 - [48] Originally by: HydroSan Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Admiral Nova XIX did almost the same thing a year ago to SMASH, doesn't anyone read the forums ? Care to explain this or are unsubstantiated accusations passing as fact these days? SMASH actually scammed XIX, not the other way around. Sorry try again, no isk or assets or anything from XIX went to SMASH. Miz Cenjui scammed UAxDeath, he had left SMASH at the time, Peoke had told UAxDeath not to trust him, but after he had left SMASH UAxDeath decided not to use Peoke as a third party, gave Miz the 10b directly and was podded. This hurts pride quite badly, to get scammed, so UAxDeath had MACTEP to set SMASH red and was going to hotdrop SMASH caps that were sieging for them in 77S at the time. As it turns out the whole deal basically meant that the 10/10 complex promised to SMASH for their assistance in Cloud Ring and Detorid never eventuated, it instead went to RA. It's amazing just how dilluted and changed this story has become within Goonswarm and RA, like a year of chinese whispers and carefully crafted propaganda.
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:36:00 - [49] Originally by: 7sunami Just wondering, Did this trade attempt happen AFTER RA attacks DMC? no before
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:36:00 - [50] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/01/2008 18:38:56 wow.. just wow. RA better pray they are never again in any position again to be seriously threatened, conduct like this is something people are going to remember, eventhough it's hardly news about you guys is it. the only reason a lot of ppl don't say anything is cause they're scared of the russians, who were pretty much allmost dead some time ago. you lie cheat and steal and then talk about honor and friendship, whilst trying to spin away your hipocricy? check you got your own sense of honor (or rather not at all) and reputation (quite a bad one as far as conduct is concerned) and don't much give a damn about anyone else, and bully and ransom alliances with ridiculous demands for "protection". check sounds familiar. you want to be different than bob? dude, your just like em, if not worse.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:36:00 - [51] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 13/01/2008 18:38:13 Originally by: 7sunami Just wondering, Did this trade attempt happen AFTER RA attacks DMC? When DMC and RA/XIX still on good therms! Like 2.5 weeks back or so _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
Caldrion Dosto Svea Rike Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:36:00 - [52] Originally by: 7sunami Just wondering, Did this trade attempt happen AFTER RA attacks DMC? No.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cruel Fox -ofc at this moment it was totaly clear what their true intentions was and we know for posibl bug of ejectin titan far away wich is bug -petition and exact info given obviuslly resulted by removing titan from Vashi and returning it to owner Bug is the easy word for "incompetence" and bad knowledge of game mechanics. LOL Yeah, sure. We all know Eve is completely bug free. It is ALL the players fault if something goes wrong! You should really apply for CCP advertisement department...
Tavernier R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:40:00 - [54] Vashi Dokumentu told me this story. GM gave back the titan. He said that bump was a bug. This means that if any of our supercapitals will ever get killed because of a bump (reminder that titans get bumped even by their own cyno) I will demand a reimbursement from CCP. If we donÆt get it than its ones again a proof of that CCP policies are far from neutral. Maybe CCP can make an official list of what bumps are legal and what are not and whoÆs petitions will be answered in 30 min and who's in 5 days, cause you know we are not psychic... PS. Too bad that Eve is now a carebear heaven, designed for miners and belt farmers. Maybe next patch will remove 0.0 space completely and replace all guns with mining lasers?
Disasemble Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:43:00 - [55] Originally by: 7sunami Just wondering, Did this trade attempt happen AFTER RA attacks DMC? From what Ive read, before, whilst allies and RA was being paid to protect them. Obviously there word is worth sh** no matter what spin they put on it.
Oofig VanDoogan The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:44:00 - [56] I for one am very shocked that the Russians would ever go back on a deal they made. Like, really really shocked. ---------------------------------------------- pewp ewpe
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:44:00 - [57] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/01/2008 18:45:22 Originally by: Tavernier Vashi Dokumentu told me this story. GM gave back the titan. He said that bump was a bug. This means that if any of our supercapitals will ever get killed because of a bump (reminder that titans get bumped even by their own cyno) I will demand a reimbursement from CCP. If we donÆt get it than its ones again a proof of that CCP policies are far from neutral. Maybe CCP can make an official list of what bumps are legal and what are not and whoÆs petitions will be answered in 30 min and who's in 5 days, cause you know we are not psychic... PS. Too bad that Eve is now a carebear heaven, designed for miners and belt farmers. Maybe next patch will remove 0.0 space completely and replace all guns with mining lasers? circular logic ftl. how about stop whining about not keeping that which you tried to steal through using exploits you yourself know damn well... and then blaming it on ccp cause they did the right thing... your in no position to whine about anything the way your alliance conducts itself. carebear online? 10/10 plexes? no? but offcourse now your all tough guy cause you got big and bad under the guise of helping gs rid the eve universe of the "evil" that is bob.
Mc Leech The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:46:00 - [58] Ask yourself this questions: 1. How many people have been scammed or lost assets in this game because of various "bugs" ? 2. How much in this game is not bugged at least in some way? 3. How long does it takes for a regular person to get an answer for a petition regarding reimbursement? And now think about it for a second he got his titan back in less than 30 minutes and GM never even asked any of us what happened simply took it away didnÆt even bother to write us anything... But GMs are fair and neutral right?
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:49:00 - [59] Originally by: Mc Leech 3. How long does it takes for a regular person to get an answer for a petition regarding reimbursement? Reimbursement petitions take weeks. Exploit petitions take minutes. Figure out which one was filed.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:49:00 - [60] Originally by: Mc Leech Ask yourself this questions: 1. How many people have been scammed or lost assets in this game because of various "bugs" ? 2. How much in this game is not bugged at least in some way? 3. How long does it takes for a regular person to get an answer for a petition regarding reimbursement? And now think about it for a second he got his titan back in less than 30 minutes and GM never even asked any of us what happened simply took it away didnÆt even bother to write us anything... But GMs are fair and neutral right? All CCP devs jumped from BOB to DMC! We were recruting all the time undercover onlly CCP devs and GMs! U shell now die! _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
Pinpisa Jormao	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:49:00 - [61] If the only way to give the buyer access to the titan was to "launch" it out of the POS shields instead of controlling the access with the password then you could talk about great scam here. In this case the bouncing is unintended effect in terms of operating the device and taking advantage of it could be seen as exploit without spelling it out. The GM decision put it in writing. DMC lose for being a cry baby and XIX lose for thinking they're the new BoB and could get away with it.
Fabrice Enchante Gallente Active Measures	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:51:00 - [62] There's no drama like Russian drama. Check out War and Peace, for example. ================<ACTME>======================= Solutions to problems require Active Measures.
Almid Simtech Productions	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:51:00 - [63] Edited by: Almid on 13/01/2008 18:51:23 Originally by: Mc Leech Ask yourself this questions: 1. How many people have been scammed or lost assets in this game because of various "bugs" ? 2. How much in this game is not bugged at least in some way? 3. How long does it takes for a regular person to get an answer for a petition regarding reimbursement? And now think about it for a second he got his titan back in less than 30 minutes and GM never even asked any of us what happened simply took it away didnÆt even bother to write us anything... But GMs are fair and neutral right? DMC obviously have tons of devs in the alliance. DMC is the new BoB, you heard it here first. edit. god damnit Cruel Fox why you gotta beat me to it? :(
Disasemble Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:54:00 - [64] Originally by: Mc Leech Ask yourself this questions: 1. How many people have been scammed or lost assets in this game because of various "bugs" ? 2. How much in this game is not bugged at least in some way? 3. How long does it takes for a regular person to get an answer for a petition regarding reimbursement? And now think about it for a second he got his titan back in less than 30 minutes and GM never even asked any of us what happened simply took it away didnÆt even bother to write us anything... But GMs are fair and neutral right? Poor little backstabbing, deal breaking, thiefing scumà hereÆs a tissue.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:54:00 - [65] Originally by: Tavernier Vashi Dokumentu told me this story. GM gave back the titan. He said that bump was a bug. This means that if any of our supercapitals will ever get killed because of a bump (reminder that titans get bumped even by their own cyno) I will demand a reimbursement from CCP. If we don’t get it than its ones again a proof of that CCP policies are far from neutral. Maybe CCP can make an official list of what bumps are legal and what are not and who’s petitions will be answered in 30 min and who's in 5 days, cause you know we are not psychic... PS. Too bad that Eve is now a carebear heaven, designed for miners and belt farmers. Maybe next patch will remove 0.0 space completely and replace all guns with mining lasers? Whine? That is something new from RA members. A shame, because I always thought that RA were something better. Disappointing to discover that they whine like everyone else I just hope that this was a single (unimportant) voice and is not the general trend. Where did they whine when they faced overwhelming odds and had almost no chance to survive? They didn't whine - THEY FOUGHT! They fought and survived against all odds, without any whinage. And THAT was impressive. You tried to scam something, it failed. Now you come to forum and complain? Ridiculous.
Daviclond GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:54:00 - [66] who was the gm that made the call to reimburse the ship for dmc's poor knowledge of pos mechanics?
Factor Benz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:57:00 - [67] The GM's have no business interfering in the game, whatsoever. That has been a major problem in MMOs in the past and will be in the future. As soon as people figure this out, drama like this will cease to occur. GMs should not move people unless they are unable to move themselves. GMs should not act as "neutral" mediators in cases such as this. A GM interfering and returning a titan in a case such as this is absolutely ******* ridiculous. Where do I send the application for a pet gm?
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:59:00 - [68] From what I'm reading it had nothing to do with POS mechanics (ie the shield not allowing the ship in). If it was freshly launched it should have had no corp attached and so no matter the password or POS setting it should have remained in the POS. I'm gathering that when it was physically jettisoned it chose to jettison 'ontop' of an existing structure of some kind and so fly out into space. Any smaller ship wouldn't have done this but a titan being so fricking big will.... I imagine that there are only a dozen people in the game maybe less that could have known this. And there was probably still a 90% chance that it would just stay in the shield.
Daviclond GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:01:00 - [69] they had the pos password and would have stolen it anyway
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:01:00 - [70] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cruel Fox -ofc at this moment it was totaly clear what their true intentions was and we know for posibl bug of ejectin titan far away wich is bug -petition and exact info given obviuslly resulted by removing titan from Vashi and returning it to owner Bug is the easy word for "incompetence" and bad knowledge of game mechanics. As funny as drone region folk are, POS shield ejecting a titan you launch from your own ship array is a stupid bug. How anyone can think otherwise is completly behond me.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:01:00 - [71] Originally by: Daviclond they had the pos password and would have stolen it anyway no they didnt, the pos pw was changed. Its a exploit like pos bowling was. I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
Taison Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:02:00 - [72] This thread was created by DMC in order to discredit xDeath. Now some members of RA and XIX give answer and state how it was from their view - and tons of ppl start crying - RA is whining..... Have u lost some space dudes that u are so angry? If u force someone to give a comment u cant just start with - OMG they are whining. Thats simply pathetic. I would understand the comments if RA or XIX created that thread. But it is still a DMC one
Y Ashanti State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:03:00 - [73] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr As funny as drone region folk are, POS shield ejecting a titan you launch from your own ship array is a stupid bug. How anyone can think otherwise is completly behond me. On the other hand, how anyone can build a titan without also training up a character to fly it, avoiding the whole issue, is also completely beyond me.
Pinpisa Jormao	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:04:00 - [74] If it can be pulled from logs that Vashi had the pos password correctly entered then the Titan should be returned to Vashi/XIX. Otherwise GM made the right decision.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:05:00 - [75] Don't worry in a few months this thread will be good and burried and when Goonswarm lose a titan to RA they will be posting the same thread, RA have no honour, why didn't anyone warn us ?
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:06:00 - [76] Originally by: Admiral Nova Don't worry in a few months this thread will be good and burried and when Goonswarm lose a titan to RA they will be posting the same thread, RA have no honour, why didn't anyone warn us ? yeah like we'll have a titan in a few months more like a few years :smith:
BuIIseye Amarr Pax Amarria Corp	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:06:00 - [77] Originally by: Tavernier PS. Too bad that Eve is now a carebear heaven, designed for miners and belt farmers. Maybe next patch will remove 0.0 space completely and replace all guns with mining lasers? Originally by: Tavernier in another thread RA was always on the side of peace and friendship in all the regions. To our regret we could no longer watch how greedy and aggressive some drone region entities have become. We can no longer tolerate the anger, greed, and backstabbing that is ruining the game for the drone region citizens. This is why we have decided to interfere to help solve their problems. ------------------------------ Yes i am hax0r Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/
Mc Leech The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:11:00 - [78] Here is a little detail that DMC omitted During the conversation owner was offered that we will wait while he can fly to empire and buy the skill and than board the titan (he had everything but the skill itself). He was LAZY and after thinking about it for a while said nah I will just eject it to save time. It was 100% his stupidity that caused the titan loss all he had to do was buy the skill and board it to avoid the bug. I guess thatÆs the new eve rule if you are stupid and lazy just call a GM to fix it for you.
Ungdall Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:13:00 - [79] Originally by: Caldrion Dosto Quote: i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense? The reason it was returned as i get it is that it¦s not supposed to bump the titan 5k of the array when undocked. That is a bug, witch it seems is known and therefor an exploit. XIX seemed to know this, but tried to do it anyway and hoped the gms wouldn¦t do anything i assume. if it is intended game mechanic to bump it long way out then i assume the gm¦s would not give it back. Are you honestly relying on the sound judgment of GMs to understand game mechanics?
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:15:00 - [80] Originally by: Ungdall Originally by: Caldrion Dosto Quote: i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense? The reason it was returned as i get it is that it¦s not supposed to bump the titan 5k of the array when undocked. That is a bug, witch it seems is known and therefor an exploit. XIX seemed to know this, but tried to do it anyway and hoped the gms wouldn¦t do anything i assume. if it is intended game mechanic to bump it long way out then i assume the gm¦s would not give it back. Are you honestly relying on the sound judgment of GMs to understand game mechanics? Its quicker and less effort than a threadnaught. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
snerdly snerd LTD	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:20:00 - [81] Titan should not have been returned, for three reasons. A. It would have been awesome to steal a titan that way B. What they did was within game mechanics... and C. It's not XIX's fault that you're a bunch of fcking morons. I never got mad about BoB's method of killing the D2 titan, and this is far less extreme. Originally by:* Securion Wolfheart EVE might never again see such a good alliance as the one you are about to kill off, with the help of the rest of the scum and trash you have pulled together against BOB.
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:28:00 - [82] Edited by: Will Hunter on 13/01/2008 19:28:23 Originally by: snerdly Titan should not have been returned, for three reasons. A. It would have been awesome to steal a titan that way B. What they did was within game mechanics... and C. It's not XIX's fault that you're a bunch of f*cking morons. I never got mad about BoB's method of killing the D2 titan, and this is far less extreme. exaclty and as is has been side various times during the thread, this kind of GM intervention is embarasing.
BuIIseye Amarr Pax Amarria Corp	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:28:00 - [83] Edited by: BuIIseye on 13/01/2008 19:30:05 The titan was probably returned because it was auctioned on forums, everyone and their mothers know that auctioning it on forums, then petitioning it if something goes wrong makes it almost 100% scam safe by ccp. (example: GTC scams before the CCP sale system was introduced) But since this is a game of chinese wispers, please continue, i'll give you a good one, titan was returned because it was auctioned 2 weeks before RA set them red so DMC where still having the devswarm/redevs support ------------------------------ Yes i am hax0r Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:36:00 - [84] Are you RA/XIX guys stupid? The titan was given back not because you scammed DMC, it was given back because the titan flying 5k out of the shields on its own is a bug, its not hard to understand
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:50:00 - [85] Originally by: Morel Originally by: 5h4dy because the titan flying 5k out of the shields on its own is a bug Thats a LOL newer saw dreads flying 5k+? He is refering to distance not speed. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Reception Originally by: 5h4dy because the titan flying 5k out of the shields on its own is a bug Thats a LOL newer saw dreads flying 5k+? Originally by: Morel Originally by: 5h4dy because the titan flying 5k out of the shields on its own is a bug Thats a LOL newer saw dreads flying 5k+? Alt spotted :P ---
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:58:00 - [87] Originally by: 5h4dy Are you RA/XIX guys stupid? No, they're not, they're professional whiners. They whine on the forums, in local to CCP and when all that fails they whine to RA to come fix it for them. I guess a skirt does look like a curtain when you're hiding under it.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:02:00 - [88] Originally by: Mc Leech Everything was done within game mechanics, it was ownerÆs stupidity that caused the loss of the titan, GM interference should have gotten him fired on the spot but I guess internal affairs are just as real as tooth fairy. For the record, have you guys contacted the Internal Affairs people yourselves?
Morel Russian Specnaz Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:03:00 - [89] Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Morel Originally by: 5h4dy because the titan flying 5k out of the shields on its own is a bug Thats a LOL newer saw dreads flying 5k+? When did i say anything about dreads? I was talking about titans launching 5k out of a pos shield on its own after being launched from the ship array, i dont know bout you but im pretty sure thats not meant to happen or do you know somthing i dont? Just to point bumpinig is allowded by game mecanics A little tip Use arrows wisely
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:06:00 - [90] Originally by: Morel Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Morel Originally by: 5h4dy because the titan flying 5k out of the shields on its own is a bug Thats a LOL newer saw dreads flying 5k+? When did i say anything about dreads? I was talking about titans launching 5k out of a pos shield on its own after being launched from the ship array, i dont know bout you but im pretty sure thats not meant to happen or do you know somthing i dont? Just to point bumpinig is allowded by game mecanics A little tip Use arrows wisely lol bump your mom out of maintainance array - ship was not bumped but EJECTED at 5K spped ower 200km out of shields; _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:12:00 - [91] Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 13/01/2008 20:12:44 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Originally by: Morel Originally by: 5h4dy because the titan flying 5k out of the shields on its own is a bug Thats a LOL newer saw dreads flying 5k+? He is refering to distance not speed. Originally by: Cruel Fox lol bump your mom out of maintainance array - ship was not bumped but EJECTED at 5K spped ower 200km out of shields; Apparently he was referring to "spped" but whatever
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:24:00 - [92] Originally by: Tavernier Vashi Dokumentu told me this story. GM gave back the titan. He said that bump was a bug. This means that if any of our supercapitals will ever get killed because of a bump (reminder that titans get bumped even by their own cyno) I will demand a reimbursement from CCP. If we donÆt get it than its ones again a proof of that CCP policies are far from neutral. Maybe CCP can make an official list of what bumps are legal and what are not and whoÆs petitions will be answered in 30 min and who's in 5 days, cause you know we are not psychic... PS. Too bad that Eve is now a carebear heaven, designed for miners and belt farmers. Maybe next patch will remove 0.0 space completely and replace all guns with mining lasers? No, this means that when you eject a ship from an sma in a pos, its not intended for that ship to bounce ofut of the pos shields. I can't believe this point is even being debated. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:25:00 - [93] Edited by: 5h4dy on 13/01/2008 20:25:29 Originally by: Morel Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Morel Originally by: 5h4dy because the titan flying 5k out of the shields on its own is a bug Thats a LOL newer saw dreads flying 5k+? When did i say anything about dreads? I was talking about titans launching 5k out of a pos shield on its own after being launched from the ship array, i dont know bout you but im pretty sure thats not meant to happen or do you know somthing i dont? Just to point bumpinig is allowded by game mecanics A little tip Use arrows wisely If the titan was bumped out accidently by another ship then fine, it shouldnt have been given back, but as the op has stated it seems like the titan shot out from the ship array at a stupid speed in which no one has control over which is quite obviously a bug and there for i believe CCP made the right decsion in returning the titan to DMC
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:28:00 - [94] DMC admits that they are noobs and petition monkeys. Nice X"D
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:31:00 - [95] Originally by: Morel Just to point bumpinig is allowded by game mecanics again, bumping obviously is allowed, but its not supposed to bumped out of a pos by the pos after being launched in the pos. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:34:00 - [96] Originally by: xRazoRx DMC admits that they are noobs and petition monkeys. Nice X"D xix, the home of the failed scammers and exploiters. now dragged through mud on public forums.
RoseyRC	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:36:00 - [97] Originally by: xRazoRx DMC admits that they are noobs and petition monkeys. Nice X"D Ya unlike yourself and RA who still feel the need to lie about why they are attacking DMC. Least DMC manned up and admitted what occurred. I mean you tried to scam a blue who you had a perpetual defense contract with you have admitted this freely. Why try to lie about the other half of it. You wanted DMC's titans at ***** head prices. They refused and were not obligated under the conditions of your contract to do anything else. You then try to scam one off them...it fails. And now you expect anyone to believe that ka-tet just took it upon themselves to attack DMC without you being behind it? Stop with the sniveling lies you aren't very good at it. I don't even really understand why you attempted to lie in the first place.
Tudum Zagorac Gallente Most Wanted INC	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:41:00 - [98] Originally by: Evil Thug This. is this you scraming davaj davaj or boljše boljše.hmm maybe is xix crying about GM's returning titan.
Tudum Zagorac Gallente Most Wanted INC	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:44:00 - [99] Originally by: Mc Leech Actually this was all XIX not RA and was a beautiful scam planed well, done well and successful. Too bad this is now no longer Eve online its now WoW in space and scams are now being fixed by GMs. Soon we will all sit around an asteroid hold hands and sing tree huggers songs. This game use to be all controlled by players, scams where encouraged, piracy was encouraged but I guess they recruited some ex-WoW GM's so now its becoming a carebear game. Everything was done within game mechanics, it was owner’s stupidity that caused the loss of the titan, GM interference should have gotten him fired on the spot but I guess internal affairs are just as real as tooth fairy. quit eve.go play wow.i know you will love it and stop crying about it.i heard that gm's from eve are now in wow.that they switched jobs.so move along nothing to see here.
Tudum Zagorac Gallente Most Wanted INC	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:50:00 - [100] Originally by: Mc Leech Ask yourself this questions: 1. How many people have been scammed or lost assets in this game because of various "bugs" ? 2. How much in this game is not bugged at least in some way? 3. How long does it takes for a regular person to get an answer for a petition regarding reimbursement? And now think about it for a second he got his titan back in less than 30 minutes and GM never even asked any of us what happened simply took it away didn’t even bother to write us anything... But GMs are fair and neutral right? yes they are all BobDevs and that titan is going to be next bob titan.comon dude seriusly you must be joking.quit eve that will be you answer if you realy dont like it so much. p.s.“We did a survey in our database at the point of the controversy, and it turned out there were actually more CCP employees in GoonSwarm than in BOB,” Mr. Petursson said yesterday. “ question for MR.Peterson from xix:Where are DMC devs.they must have devs.they must.no i know it they must. quit eve dude if you dont like it so much.
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:52:00 - [101] on the ms scam with smash etc. i dont believe it ever hapened , i mean after beeing warned multiple times to be scamemd by a well know scammer that has been in smash for few weeks ? ignoring peoke's help also they never went after miz witch i believed joined a alliance blue to ra atleast so only reason for all that was to backstab smash to get the 10/10 complex without ****ingoff goons tomuch as goons were the onces that promiswed that system to smash . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Kriger x13 When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:56:00 - [102] so ppl are actually surprised of RA decieving and lieing? that would indeed be old news. new alliances might wanna do a check up on the ppl they align themselves with. just a friendly piece of advice. .: Kriger's gfx Factory :: x13 :.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:08:00 - [103] Originally by: Kriger so ppl are actually surprised of RA decieving and lieing? that would indeed be old news. new alliances might wanna do a check up on the ppl they align themselves with. just a friendly piece of advice. One thing blurs their vision Kriger, greed. If any of RA's allies were more concerned with victory and proving themselves than making loads of ISK (and by that I mean their directors, not the grunts) I'm sure a lot less people would be positive to Red Alliance.
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:23:00 - [104] Originally by: Caldrion Dosto Quote: i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense? The reason it was returned as i get it is that it¦s not supposed to bump the titan 5k of the array when undocked. That is a bug, witch it seems is known and therefor an exploit. XIX seemed to know this, but tried to do it anyway and hoped the gms wouldn¦t do anything i assume. if it is intended game mechanic to bump it long way out then i assume the gm¦s would not give it back. You are talking to the people that abused EVE exploits and bugs for years (carrier bug, complex farming, logoffsky etc etc). If there is a way to exploit and cheat Russians (RA, Ultima Ratio, Legion etc ect) will do it, no doubt about it.
Hermosa Diosas The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:29:00 - [105] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 13/01/2008 21:30:11 Hang on a sec...firstly DMC was still friendly to RA very much so - so why would they not trust them? So its not down to stupidity. Secondly RA have the cheek to try steal a titan then have the *******s to moan about it when it gets returned? Victim : I have had my car stolen Policeman : We have found your car - here have it back Thief : What ive stolen that car you cant take it back its mine whaaaa! Are you serious!! If it was your titan youd do exactly the same if you could, i cant see one person goin "oh well, that was a stupid, how was we supposed to know our best mates was gonna nick a titan, oh well let them have it for old time sake!" Oh come on...
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:33:00 - [106] Originally by: Will Hunter Edited by: Will Hunter on 13/01/2008 19:28:23 Originally by: snerdly Titan should not have been returned, for three reasons. A. It would have been awesome to steal a titan that way B. What they did was within game mechanics... and C. It's not XIX's fault that you're a bunch of f*cking morons. I never got mad about BoB's method of killing the D2 titan, and this is far less extreme. exaclty and as is has been side various times during the thread, this kind of GM intervention is embarasing. Hey Goons, hurry up and spin this one for RA, make them look honest and good people Ofcourse, blame it all on BOB and CCP....
arghy steelwill GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 23:12:00 - [107] Wait so he couldent even fly the thing yet he wanted to eject it and let it float free? Also you guys need to get this through your head that we dont care about honor hahah its like abuncha empire pubbies screaming at us for being dishonorable. If they had stolen your titan i would have patted them on the back and said good job. Its not an exploit because you idiots ejected a titan without a goddamn pilot which would have stoped this from happening, instead your stupidity caused the titan to bounce out of shields and they did what anyone would do and grabbed it. TCF/AAA/UNL/IAC/GS are pretty much the only people in eve who really matter haha i can tell you GS isent going to turn on RA anytime soon so i doubt any of the RSF is going to turn on them. So RA, keep on shineing maybe scam a titan for your brosefs cause we arent getting one any time soon but remember that any action you choose to take GS's got your back cause you've always had ours. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
Endeva Caldari Most Wanted INC	Posted - 2008.01.13 23:41:00 - [108] Edited by: Endeva on 13/01/2008 23:46:28 Originally by: Evil Thug This. ooohhh how cute. et posted screenshot of himself behind a pos shield edit: btw ra and other russian guys how do you know about all exploit first? do you have like ermmm i dont know BUG director in allaince that have task to search for a bugs in eve???
Elliott Manchild omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.13 23:59:00 - [109] RA petetioned soon as they got scammed by a character impersonation scam and got the MS back. Even tho the guy had 2 convo's open one with a real chribba and one with a chribbah. Can't see how this is any differnet really.
Tavernier R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:13:00 - [110] Originally by: Incontinentiana Nice protection RA, but who can protect the protected from the protectors. we also can protect you from protectorsû it will cost you 2 titans.
Mynas Wormtongue Hyena Bandwagon Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:17:00 - [111] Originally by: arghy steelwill Also you guys need to get this through your head that we dont care about honor Believe me. We get it. Really. The kind of person one is always comes shining through, even in an internet spaceships game. This thread is hilarious. All of the dishonest, cheating maggots in Eve come squirming out of their holes to defend one of their own.
CkoBoPodKuH Horns and Hoofs Ltd	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:17:00 - [112] How many there are forum trolls and alt posters.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:34:00 - [113] Dearest DMC; I hope this post finds you well and in good health, furthermore I would like to take this opportunity to remind you that you DO NOT MATTER Your alliance is not very important and crying all over the forums isnt going to help you. Stop making new threads, update the old ones if you must. This is just spam now.
HabaHaba Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:36:00 - [114] kill kill kill zerg zerg zerg dmc's are wrec
Mynas Wormtongue Hyena Bandwagon Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:39:00 - [115] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Dearest DMC; I hope this post finds you well and in good health, furthermore I would like to take this opportunity to remind you that you DO NOT MATTER Your alliance is not very important and crying all over the forums isnt going to help you. Stop making new threads, update the old ones if you must. This is just spam now. And in response, you choose to whine and cry on the forums.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:41:00 - [116] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Dearest DMC; I hope this post finds you well and in good health, furthermore I would like to take this opportunity to remind you that you DO NOT MATTER Your alliance is not very important and crying all over the forums isnt going to help you. Stop making new threads, update the old ones if you must. This is just spam now. I love these posts about how this alliance or that alliance does not matter lol normaly by a goon or goon alt. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Mynas Wormtongue Hyena Bandwagon Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:46:00 - [117] Originally by: HEY LISTEN I love these posts about how this alliance or that alliance does not matter lol normaly by a goon or goon alt. You must be mistaken. Goonies don't take the game seriously. They said so themselves.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:01:00 - [118] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes What XIX did was, from a moral level, wrong. Straight up, quit your whining /btards and Dishonorable Members of the alliance XIX. As a community we must deem that was has been done by XIX was wrong, and because of this wrong doing, I know that I personally, will never in the future have any dealings with this alliance, at all, other than shooting them out of their space. I once had respect for this group of pvpers, but now they are nothing more then slime, and far from even what I would call Russian. The hysterical OP is from DMC. Up until this thread (a reminder for small-minded: a thread started by DMC) there wasn't a single post from X.I.X on this matter. The whinage, started by DMC, forced X.I.X to shed a light on our side of this story. As much light as our leaders deemed necessary. You, and "your community", may or may not chose to believe it; or apply your personal anonymous moral standard to a situation of which you are largely ignorant. However, you (and "your community") look less than credible when you twist the known (admitted) facts and then scream about morality and wrongness. Do keep your "respect" to yourself, you may need it to explain yourself to "your community". Oh, and you are welcome to come to the drone regions to shoot at us. ...
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:05:00 - [119] No work. No sleep. Only game. ------- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:08:00 - [120] Originally by: HEY LISTEN I love these posts about how this alliance or that alliance does not matter lol normaly by a goon or goon alt. Making dis post while docked in your former station
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:13:00 - [121] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: HEY LISTEN I love these posts about how this alliance or that alliance does not matter lol normaly by a goon or goon alt. Making dis post while docked in your former station ooooooooo a bob alt acusation how original lol how do you know im not a smash kill alt or a tri alt or even a dronie dude. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Mynas Wormtongue Hyena Bandwagon Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:15:00 - [122] Originally by: Razin The whinage, started by DMC, forced X.I.X to shed a light on our side of this story. As much light as our leaders deemed necessary. I don't blame XIX for trying to keep this quiet and not wanting the rest of Eve to know that it employs and condones cheaters and liars. Too late for that, though.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:16:00 - [123] Originally by: HEY LISTEN ooooooooo a bob alt acusation how original lol how do you know im not a smash kill alt or a tri alt or even a dronie dude. Well your posts are terrible and all of the alliances we've taken stations from are terrible at posting so I just kind of assumed
Marine Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:18:00 - [124] Originally by: Cruel Fox If RA/XIX would like to have it straight they could just have sended isk ower and trade would be done, insted hell - FREE titan. And now they r whining we have tried to scam them on the trade unbelivable but hey - read the baner RED Alliance : "RED"... Go back to school and learn your history courses
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:19:00 - [125] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: HEY LISTEN ooooooooo a bob alt acusation how original lol how do you know im not a smash kill alt or a tri alt or even a dronie dude. Well your posts are terrible and all of the alliances we've taken stations from are terrible at posting so I just kind of assumed Your right "bob alt", "crap poster" and your other standard and predictable posts have such detail and panache. To coin a well used goon comment: STOP POSTING!!!!!!!! I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:21:00 - [126] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Your right "bob alt", "crap poster" and your other standard and predictable posts have such detail and panache. To coin a well used goon comment: STOP POSTING!!!!!!!! Do you have point yet or are you still just mad because I'm docked in your former station?
Kasheem Cetanes Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:23:00 - [127] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes What XIX did was, from a moral level, wrong. Straight up, quit your whining /btards and Dishonorable Members of the alliance XIX. As a community we must deem that was has been done by XIX was wrong, and because of this wrong doing, I know that I personally, will never in the future have any dealings with this alliance, at all, other than shooting them out of their space. I once had respect for this group of pvpers, but now they are nothing more then slime, and far from even what I would call Russian. The hysterical OP is from DMC. Up until this thread (a reminder for small-minded: a thread started by DMC) there wasn't a single post from X.I.X on this matter. The whinage, started by DMC, forced X.I.X to shed a light on our side of this story. As much light as our leaders deemed necessary. You, and "your community", may or may not chose to believe it; or apply your personal anonymous moral standard to a situation of which you are largely ignorant. However, you (and "your community") look less than credible when you twist the known (admitted) facts and then scream about morality and wrongness. Do keep your "respect" to yourself, you may need it to explain yourself to "your community". Oh, and you are welcome to come to the drone regions to shoot at us. I have a simple response, a question as it were: Was what was done, by XIX right? Though DMC's response was unprofessional at best, they were ALMOST screwed. Why do business with some one that exploits game mechanics to get ahead?
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:24:00 - [128] Originally by: Mynas Wormtongue Originally by: Razin The whinage, started by DMC, forced X.I.X to shed a light on our side of this story. As much light as our leaders deemed necessary. I don't blame XIX for trying to keep this quiet and not wanting the rest of Eve to know that it employs and condones cheaters and liars. Too late for that, though. You must know a lot about keeping quiet, having to hide behind an alt on an anonymous forum dedicated to a computer game. Must have cheated and lied a lot. ...
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:26:00 - [129] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: HEY LISTEN Your right "bob alt", "crap poster" and your other standard and predictable posts have such detail and panache. To coin a well used goon comment: STOP POSTING!!!!!!!! Do you have point yet or are you still just mad because I'm docked in your former station? Ive lived out of npc station since BOB blasted ascn apart and i joined a pure pvp corp dude but hey the jealosy angle is a good attempt at deflection go with it im sure your low brow goonies will be along with an encoraging "KABLAMMO" soon. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Yussef Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:29:00 - [130] Edited by: Yussef on 14/01/2008 01:29:49 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Originally by: Orangir Originally by: HEY LISTEN Your right "bob alt", "crap poster" and your other standard and predictable posts have such detail and panache. To coin a well used goon comment: STOP POSTING!!!!!!!! Do you have point yet or are you still just mad because I'm docked in your former station? Ive lived out of npc station since BOB blasted ascn apart and i joined a pure pvp corp dude but hey the jealosy angle is a good attempt at deflection go with it im sure your low brow goonies will be along with an encoraging "KABLAMMO" soon. Here I'll answer for you. [X] Yes, I am mad. [ ] No, not mad. [ ]Undecided Originally by: Sergeant Spot --Did BoB "plan" to lose all its space? No, and it might not happen either, but even if it does, its still just a detail within a success
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:30:00 - [131] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes I have a simple response, a question as it were: Was what was done, by XIX right? A better question would have been "why was this done? it was surely known that the stink would be overwhelming?" However, I'm not here to quench your curiosity. Have your management contact my management. Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes Though DMC's response was unprofessional at best, they were ALMOST screwed. Why do business with some one that exploits game mechanics to get ahead? Now that's a good question, one that might lead you to some nonlinear conclusions. ...
Mynas Wormtongue Hyena Bandwagon Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 02:45:00 - [132] Originally by: Razin You must know a lot about keeping quiet, having to hide behind an alt on an anonymous forum dedicated to a computer game. Must have cheated and lied a lot. You are just flopping around in the dark with your nonsensical speculations about me. As far as the actions of XIX go, you've gone as far as you're going to go with your mewling apologetics and attempts at deflection. Best to stop digging and just slink away.
RoseyRC	Posted - 2008.01.14 03:36:00 - [133] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes What XIX did was, from a moral level, wrong. Straight up, quit your whining /btards and Dishonorable Members of the alliance XIX. As a community we must deem that was has been done by XIX was wrong, and because of this wrong doing, I know that I personally, will never in the future have any dealings with this alliance, at all, other than shooting them out of their space. I once had respect for this group of pvpers, but now they are nothing more then slime, and far from even what I would call Russian. The hysterical OP is from DMC. Up until this thread (a reminder for small-minded: a thread started by DMC) there wasn't a single post from X.I.X on this matter. The whinage, started by DMC, forced X.I.X to shed a light on our side of this story. As much light as our leaders deemed necessary. You, and "your community", may or may not chose to believe it; or apply your personal anonymous moral standard to a situation of which you are largely ignorant. However, you (and "your community") look less than credible when you twist the known (admitted) facts and then scream about morality and wrongness. Do keep your "respect" to yourself, you may need it to explain yourself to "your community". Oh, and you are welcome to come to the drone regions to shoot at us. You straight up admitted trying to scam a titan from an ally. An ally who has PAID you for perpetual protection. So after admitting that why do you bother even trying to lie. If your going to be scum at least have the balls to admit it. Sniveling like worms denying it is just so very boring.
The Comatorium The Ghazi	Posted - 2008.01.14 03:46:00 - [134] Originally by: Tavernier Originally by: Incontinentiana Nice protection RA, but who can protect the protected from the protectors. we also can protect you from protectorsû it will cost you 2 titans. LOL! best Post in the whole thread ------------------------- Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, For you never know wich one will strike you in the back.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.01.14 05:30:00 - [135] Respect for RA and their minions all gone. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 07:51:00 - [136] Anybody screaming about "intended" game mechanics is deluding us and themselves. EVE is "what you see is what you get" gameplay, the developers set the game mechanics and everything else is emergent gameplay. The only thing curtailing that are exploit decrees by CCP and your own limitations (be they knowledge or honor or RP). There have been built tons of titans (on both servers) and the launch has never been decreed an exploit. Going to a GM to whine about the launch is expected, the GM taking CCP's responsibility into his own hands is not. ~ no not believin in urself ~
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 07:54:00 - [137] What I am saying is this: you may think the game mechanics were set up with intention, but unless all GMs rule by intention* the game behaves as is and not as wanted. *(and they don't, everybody who ever filed a lag petition knows that) ~ no not believin in urself ~
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 08:29:00 - [138] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 14/01/2008 08:30:47 Edited by: Cruel Fox on 14/01/2008 08:29:23 lol an a lot of u XIX: GMs plz set up game so that: u buy something on the arket and some time u get what u bought and some time simply not - hell why not all be random then, why any knewladge should be icluded in this game - let it all to pure chaos and trys alone! Simple - u lunch ship IT HAS TO STAY IN SHIELS! If it does not it is unintended and therefore has to be resolved! But the fact that u dont understand this makes me think of something alse: That not onlly honor and reputation - u russians have knowladge of your own as well. _________________________________________ This one really makes me smile this days:
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 09:20:00 - [139] Originally by: Cruel Fox That not onlly honor and reputation - u russians have knowladge of your own as well. Now, I don't ***** care about the subject, but you either STFU or shoot yourself in the head, little Nazy! Call Red Alliance or X.I.X whatever you *** want, but keep word "Russians" out of your walls of texts. We can call ourselves whatever we want, and we can refer to ourselves as Russians (though many of us are actually not), but you have no right to talk any ** about Russians in general. Where are you from by the way, little Nazy? _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 09:30:00 - [140] I am onlly refering on what rusians said alone of them selves! _________________________________________ Russian true speach about themselves:
Ostr0mir Minmatar Heretic Paradigm.	Posted - 2008.01.14 09:42:00 - [141] Edited by: Ostr0mir on 14/01/2008 09:41:56 XIX have lost ALL of it's reputation in this incident, if it has ever had any. It is not only the lowest scam possible, but also an obvious exploit attempt. Their desire to get a Titan for free makes me laugh BRUTOR
Arriadna Gallente Night Guards	Posted - 2008.01.14 09:43:00 - [142] Originally by: Cruel Fox I am onlly refering on what rusians said alone of them selves! You only dig grave for yourself. So really STFU if you don't want to turn this conflict into RA's Holy war against Dark Nazy coalition.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 09:48:00 - [143] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 14/01/2008 09:53:55 Originally by: Arriadna Originally by: Cruel Fox I am onlly refering on what rusians said alone of them selves! You only dig grave for yourself. So really STFU if you don't want to turn this conflict into RA's Holy war against Dark Nazy coalition. Plz enlighten me about RA hollynest I have presented FACTs to Eve comunity - They all deserve it; really no need for no one more after this to get abused/used/scamed/threathened by ra/xix. If u dont like it - deal with it as u wish! _________________________________________ Russian true speach about themselves:
Omeega UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 10:03:00 - [144] Edited by: Omeega on 14/01/2008 10:04:42 Originally by: Cruel Fox Originally by: Arriadna Originally by: Cruel Fox I am onlly refering on what rusians said alone of them selves! You only dig grave for yourself. So really STFU if you don't want to turn this conflict into RA's Holy war against Dark Nazy coalition. Plz enlighten me about Russian hollynest I have presented FACTs to Eve comunity - They all deserve it; really no need for no one more after this to get abused/used/scamed/threathened by ra/xix. If u dont like it - deal with it as u wish! I feel so sorry for yourself. You do not have all the cards in hand to talk, you think your alliance is relevant and that you will break a reputation or whatever. When in fact, everyone appart your pityfull random drone region alliance thinks that you're just useless and is getting amused by your constant whining and atempt at tearing down a powerblock against wich you ain't just armed. It also amuses me, don't get me wrong. Until the "russian" factor came. I don't know what you thought when you came here and started smacking us. You don't know RA, you don't know XIX, you do not have any EVE-politics knowledge hell i'm sure "The Five" doesn't even ring a bell, you've just chosen to migrate into deserted regions when the heat was a bit to close. You don't even know that RA has never been influenced by the official forums, ever. We have 10 people max reading/posting/bothering about eve-o, you would know that's what the mail you have in sig meant; You do not tell us what is honour and reputation, we can sort it for ourselves, thank you very much. Anyways, you've chosen to act as a victim, saying RA is a big nasty brother, good at treason, liing and so on. Well, nice try, but if the the only strategy you found is to drive the russian's honor/hollyness into mud while profering some racist content to defeat them then I can only wish you good luck. Now don't get me wrong, I've had an incredible chat with a DMC member yesterday talking about politics, history and powerblocks. Too bad those good guys are represented by someone who prolly never went out of his own country to discover other cultures. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Mynas Wormtongue Hyena Bandwagon Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 10:45:00 - [145] Originally by: Omeega You do not tell us what is honour and reputation, we can sort it for ourselves, thank you very much. You can pretend that XIX trying to steal something that doesn't belong to them using an exploit is "honorable." You can pretend that engaging in double-dealing, manipulative behavior with your protectorates is "honorable." You can even pretend that you live in your own little alternate universe where you get to define what is honorable for yourself. Doesn't make it so. All it makes you is delusional and adept at rationalizing. That said, having members in your corps who are not honest in their dealings is no excuse for smears about "Russians", which are uncalled for.
P2 Delta02	Posted - 2008.01.14 10:54:00 - [146] imho CCP did well One thing is selling 1 shuttle for 1M or buying 1 BS for 94k instead of 94M because you dont botther to read; an entirely different thing is scamming by using a bug or an exploit - in this case it's good to see CCP taking action.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 10:56:00 - [147] Originally by: Omeega Edited by: Omeega on 14/01/2008 10:04:42 Originally by: Cruel Fox Moderated. Not constructive. Navigator Reply to moderated post removed - Navigator You don't even know that RA has never been influenced by the official forums, ever. We have 10 people max reading/posting/bothering about eve-o, you would know that's what the mail you have in sig meant; You do not tell us what is honour and reputation, we can sort it for ourselves, thank you very much. then 2 bad u r one of 10 and sig means what it means - up to u - it was writen by UAX_Death; interprate as u like, it just makes me lol really hard when i see it _________________________________________ Russian true speach about themselves:
Daniel Grim OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 11:22:00 - [148] Edited by: Daniel Grim on 14/01/2008 11:24:51 Edited by: Daniel Grim on 14/01/2008 11:23:19 Originally by: Cruel Fox Originally by: Omeega Edited by: Omeega on 14/01/2008 10:04:42 Originally by: Cruel Fox Moderated. Not constructive. Navigator Reply to moderated post removed - Navigator You don't even know that RA has never been influenced by the official forums, ever. We have 10 people max reading/posting/bothering about eve-o, you would know that's what the mail you have in sig meant; You do not tell us what is honour and reputation, we can sort it for ourselves, thank you very much. then 2 bad u r one of 10 and sig means what it means - up to u - it was writen by UAX_Death; interprate as u like, it just makes me lol really hard when i see it [IMAGE REMOVED] It will be very pleasure to see cap-shipyards blow out under our fight, and all your toil will turn in dust. Have a nice trip to join anti-Russians smack company in empire.
ScheenK Gallente StatiC Elite	Posted - 2008.01.14 12:57:00 - [149] Originally by: Krychton Edited by: Krychton on 13/01/2008 17:40:02 Don't you mean "launched"? I kept thinking you taking someone named titan out for lunch. lol
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.14 13:11:00 - [150] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 14/01/2008 13:12:56 Originally by: Cruel Fox Edited by: Cruel Fox on 13/01/2008 17:43:12 As today this was brought up when i spoken to someone and i realized RA plays even more dirty then i could imagine - here is another post (we dont have enought of them so far about DMC yet): After RA offered 40 bil and we refused; there was this all known titan pilot; Vashi Dokumentu - i belive u all know him from all titan auctions He offered 120 bil for avatar; wow - nice and sweet deal and directlly to hands of our protectors (at this point RA have officially not yet said anything to us) -Vashi comes to our system, gets pos pasword, he said he will trust Unrah with full amount, board titan and be gone -all good, he wants to see it first -as pilot was not prepared we offered him screeny of capital array -he refuses as valid proff and asks for lunching -after some thoughts we decide to launched titan (ship should stay in shield, pasword was changed so all should be good) -ship lunched - bounced FAR out of shileds -he borded it with his alt, and insted of sending isk, he loged -ofc at this moment it was totaly clear what their true intentions was and we know for posibl bug of ejectin titan far away wich is bug -petition and exact info given obviuslly resulted by removing titan from Vashi and returning it to owner If RA/XIX would like to have it straight they could just have sended isk ower and trade would be done, insted hell - FREE titan. And now they r whining we have tried to scam them on the trade unbelivable but hey - read the baner i have little sympathy tbh, the russians have done this kind of thing dozens of time. You should never have went into business with them. They are the most untrustworthy/unreliable 'ally' anyone can have. (que goon troll?)
Airata	Posted - 2008.01.14 13:35:00 - [151] Originally by: Ostr0mir XIX have lost ALL of it's reputation in this incident, if it has ever had any. Its stupid to think XIX cares about reputation
Shimrod Minmatar Greyskulls	Posted - 2008.01.14 14:01:00 - [152] Wow the Reds exploiting game mechanics who would have ever thought..anyone remember the megacyte dupping from 03/04? I cant even belive this is been debated as if the gm was right or wrong or DMC are noobs or not, the potenial buyer clearly knew the Titan would bounce and why else would they ask for the ship to be ejected? there is no scam here its nothing but exploiting game mechanics and for anyone defending it may i suggest they petition ccp for a godmode command as its clear there that type of gamer.
SpiritOne Amarr Pandemic Influenza Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2008.01.14 14:19:00 - [153] Originally by: Omeega Edited by: Omeega on 14/01/2008 10:04:42 We have 10 people max reading/posting/bothering about eve-o, The rest of the alliance is searching for complexes to exploit and spamming Trade channels. I'm sorry couldn't help myself, its been so long since I've seen a RA Leadership don't work they sell isk post.
huxorator Intergalactic Serenity R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:03:00 - [154] Originally by: Mc Leech, The xDEATHx Squadron, Legion of xXDEATHXx Actually this was all XIX not RA Originally by: Tavernier, R.u.S.H., Red Alliance If we donÆt get it ... One day you will scam your main with your alt. --- IGS \| Intergalactic Serenity
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:06:00 - [155] Originally by: Shimrod Wow the Reds exploiting game mechanics who would have ever thought... EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent. Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. ...
IAmAHaulingAlt	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:22:00 - [156] Originally by: Tavernier PS. Too bad that Eve is now a carebear heaven, designed for miners and belt farmers. Maybe next patch will remove 0.0 space completely and replace all guns with mining lasers? Its funny how RA complain about carebearing and belt farmers, you did after all farm 10/10 plexes all day before..
Mynas Wormtongue Hyena Bandwagon Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 17:32:00 - [157] Originally by: Razin EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent. Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. Then you call it "exploiting". You tried to cheat using an exploit. You got caught, and the item was immediately returned, which would not have happened if all you were doing was using "tools that aren't properly documented." And now here you are here on damage control duty, twisting and squirming trying to invent new euphemisms for the word "cheater", representing an alliance that claims not to care what the rest of Eve thinks about it... which only makes you look more pathetic.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:01:00 - [158] Lame. Doesn't matter how you look at it, it's lame. When you agree to do a trade transaction, you should stick to the rules. If you don't, you are a thief and a scammer. Using some undocumented and unintended game mechanics will add you a nice title of "sploiter" to the first two. You can talk about honor all you want, but desire to get a free Titan using some questionable game mechanics speaks louder than 1000 posts about honor.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:02:00 - [159] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2008 18:02:45 Originally by: MAXSuicide i have little sympathy tbh, the russians have done this kind of thing dozens of time. You should never have went into business with them. They are the most untrustworthy/unreliable 'ally' anyone can have. (que goon troll?) Somebody help me please. "The Russians" mean who ? RA ? AAA ? UNL ? Any big alliance I would have forgot ? Are you speaking about an irl country or just of an ingame alliance ? Russian is not only spoke in Russia. Or not only in RA. Same about French and TCF, German and D¦, finnish (I guess) in FinFleet, etc. RA isn't the Russia, as TCF isn't the France. Don't make this mistake, there is a lot more than "just" french ppl and russian ppl in our alliances. TCF is only half french for example. 2isk
Zanarkand Gallente Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:11:00 - [160] Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 14/01/2008 15:08:53 Originally by: Shimrod Wow the Reds exploiting game mechanics who would have ever thought... EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent. Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. Then you call it "exploiting". The whole t20 thing was some unfair "exploit, exploit!" whine by goons/d2???
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:19:00 - [161] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2008 18:21:23 Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Daviclond they had the pos password and would have stolen it anyway no they didnt, the pos pw was changed. Its a exploit like pos bowling was. Who changed it ? A RA ? "It was changed", lol @ this. It was changed by you. They human ingeneered your pos owner, this is the true story :) Just to know, because this bump is not a bug. It's a classic feat. It is there since I play. Here again something I learned among the 45453143443 things I learnt fighing vs Morsus Mihi and Razor in Tribute last year. Complain to devs you were scammed is okay. The only thing I don't understand is you found a dev they didn't knew this feature. Unboarded ships have pos pw flagged void after next DT. Anchored ships still use the pass you gave to them until you change the pos pw. It's a feature. To prevent ppl to go in your corp, put a gazillion ships in your pos and enjoy the lag. It's a feature. Or else why use pos pw "I'm from the corp" should be okay. I lost a dozen of T1 fregates like this last year. Should I petition as well ? 2isk
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:26:00 - [162] Originally by: Zanarkand Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 14/01/2008 15:08:53 Originally by: Shimrod Wow the Reds exploiting game mechanics who would have ever thought... EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent. Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. Then you call it "exploiting". The whole t20 thing was some unfair "exploit, exploit!" whine by goons/d2??? Are you somehow implying that a player using an admittedly obscure game mechanic is the same as a dev using dev tools to spawn valuable items for his alliance? ...
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:27:00 - [163] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Who changed it ? A RA ? "It was changed", lol @ this. It was changed by you. They human ingeneered your pos owner, this is the true story :) Just to know, because this bump is not a bug. It's a classic feat. It is there since I play. Here again something I learned among the 45453143443 things I learnt fighing vs Morsus Mihi and Razor in Tribute last year. Complain to devs you were scammed is okay. The only thing I don't understand is you found a dev they didn't knew this feature. Unboarded ships have pos pw flagged void after next DT. Anchored ships still use the pass you gave to them until you change the pos pw. It's a feature. To prevent ppl to go in your corp, put a gazillion ships in your pos and enjoy the lag. It's a feature. Or else why use pos pw "I'm from the corp" should be okay. I lost a dozen of T1 fregates like this last year. Should I petition as well ? I suppose it might be one of those things that gets lost in translation, but "warp to a POS without proper pw set, being thrown out of POS and ganked" is not the same as "launch titan from array, watch titan blow through space at 5km/s and end up 200km from passworded POS free to be stolen by anyone". The first is an intended game mechanic. The second, as evidenced by the GM intervening, is not. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Knocturnal omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:28:00 - [164] If a BOB would have done this to a russian alliance any other entity ... CAOD would go mad with 23423423432423 posts and every one would scream exploit and all kinda of stuff ... I know a ra dude that was so ******** and got scammed for nyx when they still were going for 30b then he petioned and he got it back .. . did somebody whine about that NO. F*ck Derek we got Xlop.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:29:00 - [165] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Who changed it ? A RA ? "It was changed", lol @ this. It was changed by you. They human ingeneered your pos owner, this is the true story :) Just to know, because this bump is not a bug. It's a classic feat. It is there since I play. Here again something I learned among the 45453143443 things I learnt fighing vs Morsus Mihi and Razor in Tribute last year. Complain to devs you were scammed is okay. The only thing I don't understand is you found a dev they didn't knew this feature. Unboarded ships have pos pw flagged void after next DT. Anchored ships still use the pass you gave to them until you change the pos pw. It's a feature. To prevent ppl to go in your corp, put a gazillion ships in your pos and enjoy the lag. It's a feature. Or else why use pos pw "I'm from the corp" should be okay. I lost a dozen of T1 fregates like this last year. Should I petition as well ? I suppose it might be one of those things that gets lost in translation, but "warp to a POS without proper pw set, being thrown out of POS and ganked" is not the same as "launch titan from array, watch titan blow through space at 5km/s and end up 200km from passworded POS free to be stolen by anyone". The first is an intended game mechanic. The second, as evidenced by the GM intervening, is not. Documentation for teh lazy 2isk
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:31:00 - [166] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Documentation for teh lazy Yes, it is a very nice link. It is, however, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:40:00 - [167] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2008 18:41:09 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2008 18:40:33 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Documentation for teh lazy Yes, it is a very nice link. It is, however, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Come on, you're smart enough to understand it without me, let me quote the important part : Originally by: the official FAQ If the password was the only reason the ship had a right to be inside the starbase then the ship will be ejected from the force field. Anybody will then be free to board the ship and claim it. It was a pw protected pos, therefore the ships inside had pos access : 1 - per corp pilot if ships were piloted 2 - per password. The titan had no pilot so the only reason it could stay in the pos is the pw. Then the pos owner reseted the password. Well. It's not RA's fault who spyied the pos owner or haxz00rz teh forum. It's a human fault. Like Shrike did, like Cyvok did, like this guy from D¦ did, like Seleene did. 2isk
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:41:00 - [168] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Documentation for teh lazy Yes, it is a very nice link. It is, however, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. its seems quite relavent to me. If it was any other ship but a Titan, they would have been SOL. They changed the password on their POS and kicked out the titan when they launched it. This is completely in keeping with game mechanics and what should have been expected as per the above link. The only reason it was returned was because it was a Titan.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:49:00 - [169] Originally by: Hrin Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Documentation for teh lazy Yes, it is a very nice link. It is, however, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. its seems quite relavent to me. If it was any other ship but a Titan, they would have been SOL. They changed the password on their POS and kicked out the titan when they launched it. This is completely in keeping with game mechanics and what should have been expected as per the above link. The only reason it was returned was because it was a Titan. I think the only reasons it was returned is because the GM didn't knew. This is the typical things that should be petitioned in the internal affairs. 2isk
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:03:00 - [170] Edited by: Ki An on 14/01/2008 19:06:04 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Come on, you're smart enough to understand it without me, let me quote the important part : Originally by: the official FAQ If the password was the only reason the ship had a right to be inside the starbase then the ship will be ejected from the force field. Anybody will then be free to board the ship and claim it. It was a pw protected pos, therefore the ships inside had pos access : 1 - per corp pilot if ships were piloted 2 - per password. The titan had no pilot so the only reason it could stay in the pos is the pw. Then the pos owner reseted the password. Well. It's not RA's fault who spyied the pos owner or haxz00rz teh forum. It's a human fault. Like Shrike did, like Cyvok did, like this guy from D¦ did, like Seleene did. Originally by: your link A ship left unpiloted in space will have its starbase force field password cleared during the daily downtime. The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. Where in the link you provided does it say that "super capital ships launched from their arrays will shoot 200km out of the POS, so you should have a pilot on standby there"? Hint: It doesn't, because it's not intended to happen. Edit: Quote: The titan had no pilot so the only reason it could stay in the pos is the pw. Then the pos owner reseted the password. Where did you read that the password of the POS was changed after the Titan was launched? I certainly couldn't find it written anywhere in this thread. Are you saying XXxXXxXLegionofWhateverXXxxXX had an inside guy that changed the POS pw after the titan was launched? Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Antonia Frak	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:28:00 - [171] Edited by: Antonia Frak on 14/01/2008 19:29:36 Originally by: Ki An The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. If the titan was bounced from the pos unpiloted, then there must be a lapse of time when it was unpiloted inside the bubble. I guess your pilot launched it from the capital array by boarding it, then left the ship to give it to the buyer, at that precise moment the titan, if it hadn't any password, should bounce off the pos. Or something like that, I'm not sure, those POS mechanics are ****.
Taison Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:34:00 - [172] Originally by: Antonia Frak Edited by: Antonia Frak on 14/01/2008 19:29:36 Originally by: Ki An The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. If the titan was bounced from the pos unpiloted, then there must be a lapse of time when it was unpiloted inside the bubble. I guess your pilot launched it from the capital array by boarding it, then left the ship to give it to the buyer, at that precise moment the titan, if it hadn't any password, should bounce off the pos. Or something like that, I'm not sure, those POS mechanics are ****. U know what the irony is? They did NOT have any pilot who could jump in this thing. So after the bump, that thing was supposed just to hang aroud the space as there was no way they could bring it back to dock. Thats the irony! If XiX woldnt have boarded it - it would just hang out in space as there was no pilot for it from the sellers site!!! Even not bumped away - the titan would hang at the pos without a pilot.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:35:00 - [173] Originally by: Antonia Frak Edited by: Antonia Frak on 14/01/2008 19:29:36 Originally by: Ki An The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. If the titan was bounced from the pos unpiloted, then there must be a lapse of time when it was unpiloted inside the bubble. I guess your pilot launched it from the capital array by boarding it, then left the ship to give it to the buyer, at that precise moment the titan, if it hadn't any password, should bounce off the pos. Or something like that, I'm not sure, those POS mechanics are ***. I'm not really a part of this whole thing. Just trying to get my head around it, and note if any serious exploits are at work here. When using the timeline provided in the OP, it would seem that the Titan did indeed bounce straight out of the cap array and out of the POS. Password or no password, that's not intended. This is the only info I am basing my assumptions on. If anyone know anything else, like if there was indeed a password reset after* the Titan was launched, then we are definately talking legal, all be it lame, game mechanics. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:36:00 - [174] Originally by: Antonia Frak Edited by: Antonia Frak on 14/01/2008 19:29:36 Originally by: Ki An The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. If the titan was bounced from the pos unpiloted, then there must be a lapse of time when it was unpiloted inside the bubble. I guess your pilot launched it from the capital array by boarding it, then left the ship to give it to the buyer, at that precise moment the titan, if it hadn't any password, should bounce off the pos. Or something like that, I'm not sure, those POS mechanics are ****. You do not board and cannot as far as im aware board a ship in a array you need to launch it first.
She Storm Minmatar The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:43:00 - [175] Quote: You do not board and cannot as far as im aware board a ship in a array you need to launch it first. Yes you can you have 2 choices, launch ship or board ship at a SMA.
Taison Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:45:00 - [176] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Antonia Frak Edited by: Antonia Frak on 14/01/2008 19:29:36 Originally by: Ki An The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. If the titan was bounced from the pos unpiloted, then there must be a lapse of time when it was unpiloted inside the bubble. I guess your pilot launched it from the capital array by boarding it, then left the ship to give it to the buyer, at that precise moment the titan, if it hadn't any password, should bounce off the pos. Or something like that, I'm not sure, those POS mechanics are ****. You do not board and cannot as far as im aware board a ship in a array you need to launch it first. And what? They launched the ship with the nowlege noone actualu could board it. Imagine after the launch - XiX would put the POS into reinforced. and then destroy it and just board the ship. they launched the ship with the knowlege only XiX could board it at this time. That was the actual stupidity
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:47:00 - [177] Originally by: She Storm Quote: You do not board and cannot as far as im aware board a ship in a array you need to launch it first. Yes you can you have 2 choices, launch ship or board ship at a SMA. Im not sure about a capital array and if you can but in the OP he clearly puts that a blue pilot was not available so even if he could board from the array the fact that he did not have the skills makes boarding not possable.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:50:00 - [178] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 14/01/2008 19:51:08 Originally by: Taison Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Antonia Frak Edited by: Antonia Frak on 14/01/2008 19:29:36 Originally by: Ki An The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. If the titan was bounced from the pos unpiloted, then there must be a lapse of time when it was unpiloted inside the bubble. I guess your pilot launched it from the capital array by boarding it, then left the ship to give it to the buyer, at that precise moment the titan, if it hadn't any password, should bounce off the pos. Or something like that, I'm not sure, those POS mechanics are **. You do not board and cannot as far as im aware board a ship in a array you need to launch it first. And what? They launched the ship with the nowlege noone actualu could board it. Imagine after the launch - XiX would put the POS into reinforced. and then destroy it and just board the ship. they launched the ship with the knowlege only XiX could board it at this time. That was the actual stupidity The buyer was supposed to board it after** he paid lol. If RA had attacked the pos im sure the guys would have managed to get their titan pilot online and in the ship over the 2 or 3 days (depending on how much stront they put in it) for it to come out of reinforced. They could have hired a pilot in that much time dude.
Bilaz Minmatar Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:50:00 - [179] Edited by: Bilaz on 14/01/2008 19:56:09 Point is we had no choice but to use this "bad" mechanic to steal a titan, since there are NO other way for pilot not from corp/ally who bild it to get inside titan. so it was hopeless from the start, but unfortunaly it was known only to gm's & dev's - otherwise we would have just blown it to peaces and keep the killmail. even more if dmc manages to get a real pilot to evacuate titan and someone manages to kill it after boarding i expect it to be reimbursed since it will be same foul game mechanic that would allow that. question is why OP waited like, 3 weeks after event to create this thread? maybe he has something to hide? like the fact that gm's put pilot WITHOUT titan skill inside Avatar, while moving Vashi's alt in station 20+ jumps away and pilot put titan back in fitting array - so holy gm intervention was used to undo not so smart move from dmc side witch was result of convo with vashi. so..... if anyone think this something totaly different from jita scam - think again .
Taison Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:52:00 - [180] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Taison Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Antonia Frak Edited by: Antonia Frak on 14/01/2008 19:29:36 Originally by: Ki An The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. If the titan was bounced from the pos unpiloted, then there must be a lapse of time when it was unpiloted inside the bubble. I guess your pilot launched it from the capital array by boarding it, then left the ship to give it to the buyer, at that precise moment the titan, if it hadn't any password, should bounce off the pos. Or something like that, I'm not sure, those POS mechanics are ****. You do not board and cannot as far as im aware board a ship in a array you need to launch it first. And what? They launched the ship with the nowlege noone actualu could board it. Imagine after the launch - XiX would put the POS into reinforced. and then destroy it and just board the ship. they launched the ship with the knowlege only XiX could board it at this time. That was the actual stupidity If RA had attacked the pos im sure the guys would have managed to get their titan pilot online and in the ship over the 2 or 3 days (depending on how much stront they put in it) for it to come out of reinforced. They could have hired a pilot in that much time dude. They HAVE NO titan pilot. That is what was the problem. Thats why they had to ejekt it to show. I doubt they have one now.
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:52:00 - [181] This is all intended game mechanics. If a unpiloted ship has no PW or the wrong PW it is ejected from the POS. To avoid this, you board the ship. If this had been a carrier, the GM would not have intervened. DMC got very lucky with the petition.
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:55:00 - [182] Originally by: Bilaz like the fact that gm's put pilot WITHOUT titan skill inside Avatar, while moving Vashi's alt in station 20+ jumps away Thats very bad if true. Infernal investigations.
Jonas Vinthyn Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:56:00 - [183] Originally by: Bilaz Point is we had no choice but to use this "bad" mechanic to steal a titan, since there are NO other way for pilot not from corp/ally who bild it to get inside titan. so it was hopeless from the start, but unfortunaly it was known only to gm's & dev's - otherwise we would have just blown it to peaces and keep the killmail. even more if dmc manages to get a real pilot to evacuate titan and someone manages to kill it after boarding i expect it to be reimbursed since it will be same foul game mechanic that would allow that. question is why OP waited like, 3 weeks after event to create this thread? maybe he has something to hide? like the fact that gm's put pilot WITHOUT titan skill inside Avatar, while moving Vashi's alt in station 20+ jumps away did you really just say that yes you tried to scam DMC and yes its a exploit that only GM's and Dev's knew about (and you which means you had dev help)? Worst PR ever. -Jonas My POS - POS Fitting and Fuel Calc Stats!
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:02:00 - [184] Originally by: Hrin This is all intended game mechanics. If a unpiloted ship has no PW or the wrong PW it is ejected from the POS. To avoid this, you board the ship. If this had been a carrier, the GM would not have intervened. DMC got very lucky with the petition. That's definately not what the link provided by that TCF guy says, and I don't think that's how it's supposed to work either. The Titan was in a capital array. It is launched. It immediately shoots out of the POS. Are you really telling me that every ship built at a POS has had a maiden voyage like that? Winding up 200km from the POS? If that is the case CCP has really screwed the pooch with those mechanics. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:07:00 - [185] Unless CCP changed something recently a lot of you are talking out of your ***. Ships launched in the fashion described will NEVER be pushed out by the forcefield by themselves due to a wrong password, these things are as neutral as a ship can be, and wouldn't be ejected until someone boarded it with the incorrect standings/faulty password. ________________________________________________ Currently training for "caldari overlord I" Thank you ccp!
Bilaz Minmatar Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:07:00 - [186] Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn Originally by: Bilaz Point is we had no choice but to use this "bad" mechanic to steal a titan, since there are NO other way for pilot not from corp/ally who bild it to get inside titan. so it was hopeless from the start, but unfortunaly it was known only to gm's & dev's - otherwise we would have just blown it to peaces and keep the killmail. even more if dmc manages to get a real pilot to evacuate titan and someone manages to kill it after boarding i expect it to be reimbursed since it will be same foul game mechanic that would allow that. question is why OP waited like, 3 weeks after event to create this thread? maybe he has something to hide? like the fact that gm's put pilot WITHOUT titan skill inside Avatar, while moving Vashi's alt in station 20+ jumps away did you really just say that yes you tried to scam DMC and yes its a exploit that only GM's and Dev's knew about (and you which means you had dev help)? Worst PR ever. -Jonas i'm not pr'ing or something, just, u know, sharing information we thought that its normal titan behavior(since we do have a titan and asked our RA, AAA, MC, BOB friends ) and from what Vashi said DMC guy knew about it too only dev's knew thats clearly not what supposed to be happening in eve everyday
BigWhale Gallente TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Empire	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:15:00 - [187] Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 14/01/2008 15:08:53 EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent. Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. Then you call it "exploiting". You sir, have obviously never read the EULA. You should, you really should, then you will have enough knowledge to participate in debates like this. Simply said, get a clue mister! -- R, U & Y are letters, not words...
Inosin Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:49:00 - [188] Again behavior of some people reminds me of this picture: http://home.arcor.de/theevil/Eve/Everape.jpg i cant belive with what a low mentality some people play this game and on top of that even blame the other players for being their victims. All Black/White all Wow Carebear Gms who are not with the mighty scam and pirate force? Ever heard of the word fundamentalism? Sure we all fight each other and often strong emotions come with that, but after all every normal player respect even his foe as someone, who sit on a damn cheap and slow or fkn fast and new Pc System, lookin for some fun in a space game and every player with the slightest bit of manners act with that in mind. Scamming a titan or rob the whole Assets of corps or allys knowing that you destroy months of menhours work and playtime of many people is not cool its not even ok its just evil and shows the Reallife mentality of some players. People who scam or using exploits with full intention, lets say people who intentionally try to destroy the gameexperience of all others if just themselves bennefit from it, should be banned imediatly and permanently from this game. But sure this is not possible people are just *******s, the only thing i can say for sure is that I! would never scam someone.
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:51:00 - [189] Edited by: duckmonster on 14/01/2008 21:52:25 Man oh man. When I lost a ship to the password thing I get told its a feature. If the same mechanic gives advantage to our side, its a fault. Can't help but wonder. DOCUMENT YOUR BLOODY GAME CCP -----------
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:04:00 - [190] Originally by: BigWhale Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 14/01/2008 15:08:53 EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent. Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. Then you call it "exploiting". You sir, have obviously never read the EULA. You should, you really should, then you will have enough knowledge to participate in debates like this. Simply said, get a clue mister! Did you have something to say on the subject, or are you just out to walk a bunch of alts? ...
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:50:00 - [191] Edited by: Shirei on 14/01/2008 22:50:19 Originally by: Ki An That's definately not what the link provided by that TCF guy says, and I don't think that's how it's supposed to work either. The Titan was in a capital array. It is launched. It immediately shoots out of the POS. Are you really telling me that every ship built at a POS has had a maiden voyage like that? Winding up 200km from the POS? If that is the case CCP has really screwed the pooch with those mechanics. Depending on how all the POS modules are aligned, it is certainly possible. What the situation sounds to me is: - titan is launched from cap array - titan end up within another POS module or very close to it as a result - said POS module bumps titan far away Supercaps have a very large hitbox, so they are very vulnerable to bumping either by other ships or POS modules.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:06:00 - [192] Originally by: Taison Originally by: Antonia Frak Edited by: Antonia Frak on 14/01/2008 19:29:36 Originally by: Ki An The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. If the titan was bounced from the pos unpiloted, then there must be a lapse of time when it was unpiloted inside the bubble. I guess your pilot launched it from the capital array by boarding it, then left the ship to give it to the buyer, at that precise moment the titan, if it hadn't any password, should bounce off the pos. Or something like that, I'm not sure, those POS mechanics are ****. U know what the irony is? They did NOT have any pilot who could jump in this thing. So after the bump, that thing was supposed just to hang aroud the space as there was no way they could bring it back to dock. Thats the irony! If XiX woldnt have boarded it - it would just hang out in space as there was no pilot for it from the sellers site!!! Even not bumped away - the titan would hang at the pos without a pilot. Which...(ironically?) is way more acceptible than having it jet way outside the POS shields to be scooped up by anyone with out the need for a POS password, being a member of the POS-owning entity or having a hostile force come in, put the pos in reinforced, show up (days?) later to (possibly?) kill the POS and board the titan. Oh, the irony. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Arnaud d'Eoste Gobshyte Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:35:00 - [193] Originally by: Mc Leech Actually this was all XIX not RA and was a beautiful scam planed well, done well and successful. Too bad this is now no longer Eve online its now WoW in space and scams are now being fixed by GMs. Soon we will all sit around an asteroid hold hands and sing tree huggers songs. This game use to be all controlled by players, scams where encouraged, piracy was encouraged but I guess they recruited some ex-WoW GM's so now its becoming a carebear game. Everything was done within game mechanics, it was owner’s stupidity that caused the loss of the titan, GM interference should have gotten him fired on the spot but I guess internal affairs are just as real as tooth fairy. Boohoohoo my titan scam failed So your entertainment in this game is at the cost of someone else's? Haaa, I love a freshly brewn cup of irony in the morning, oh yes I do. <--AdE
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:42:00 - [194] Edited by: Zorland on 14/01/2008 23:46:23 The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian (RA,UNL,Legion,UR etc) because even though he is blue to you, and you paid for protection, and he placed a bid at online auction as highest bidder, and you trust him and consider him a friend, he will still try to abuse game mechanics and take your stuff. Worst then a corp thief tbh, and then they call someone a hyena....
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:52:00 - [195] Originally by: Taison They launched the ship with the knowlege of that noone in their alliance actually could board it. fixed and compressed. Natural selection is the name of the game - stupid and/or weak return to empire.
rgreat Gallente OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:09:00 - [196] Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets. We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful ôonly-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAPö cerebears. If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend? See you on the battlefield. P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:24:00 - [197] Originally by: rgreat ...i wish there was no empire space at all... and Freedom of Speech?
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:25:00 - [198] Originally by: Taison And what? They launched the ship with the nowlege noone actualu could board it. Imagine after the launch - XiX would put the POS into reinforced. and then destroy it and just board the ship. they launched the ship with the knowlege only XiX could board it at this time. That was the actual stupidity Well, let's say CCP liked DMC's stupidity enough to give them back the thing so nobody can't say anything... Now the question is how it came here and we have a pretty good enigma 2isk
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:27:00 - [199] Edited by: marakor on 15/01/2008 00:27:43 Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 15/01/2008 00:22:49 Originally by: rgreat Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets. We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful ôonly-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAPö cerebears. If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend? See you on the battlefield. P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;) How can one distinguish if one is just friend or REAL friend? Is one your REAL friend when he pays for protection, but then is friend only (not REAL) when he just made two titans you want so much? Its easy a real friend is when they do not have the oportunity to shaft them but as soon as the oportunity to make a bit of isk or RA no longer benifit from them or maybe another more profitable ally is about then they are no longer real friends. Pretty much like most alliance politics in eve including bob tbqfh.
RCI DeXTeR REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:27:00 - [200] Edited by: RCI DeXTeR on 15/01/2008 00:27:02 After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap, after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, after the ebil laggers, after the cryolition, now we've got the ebil backstabbers.
rgreat Gallente OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:27:00 - [201] Edited by: rgreat on 15/01/2008 00:34:01 Originally by: Zorland How can one distinguish if one is just friend or REAL friend? Is one your REAL friend when he pays for protection, but then is friend only (not REAL) when he just made two titans you want so much? LoL. You can't buy friendship or trust with ISKs. It will never work. Real friends never demand anything in return. They just help each other. Sad people...Thats is why so many fail alliances around. Originally by: RCI DeXTeR Edited by: RCI DeXTeR on 15/01/2008 00:27:02 After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap, after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, after the ebil laggers, after the cryolition, now we've got the ebil backstabbers. All Russians are EVIL, everyone knows it... ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:31:00 - [202] Originally by: marakor Hey look at me I copy-paste a goon sig !! You're not a Goon, Marakor. 2isk
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:36:00 - [203] Edited by: marakor on 15/01/2008 00:36:49 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: marakor Hey look at me I copy-paste a goon sig !! Hey look at me im gonna state and post the obvious WOW did you figure that out all by yourself?.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:38:00 - [204] Originally by: RCI DeXTeR Edited by: RCI DeXTeR on 15/01/2008 00:27:02 After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap, after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, after the ebil laggers, after the cryolition, now we've got the ebil backstabbers. You forgot goon-huggers and frog-friends :) 2isk
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:38:00 - [205] Edited by: Zorland on 15/01/2008 00:42:11 Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 15/01/2008 00:27:43 Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 15/01/2008 00:22:49 Originally by: rgreat Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets. We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful ôonly-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAPö cerebears. If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend? See you on the battlefield. P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;) How can one distinguish if one is just friend or REAL friend? Is one your REAL friend when he pays for protection, but then is friend only (not REAL) when he just made two titans you want so much? Its easy a real friend is when they do not have the oportunity to shaft them but as soon as the oportunity to make a bit of isk or RA no longer benifit from them or maybe another more profitable ally is about then they are no longer real friends. Pretty much like most alliance politics in eve including bob tbqfh. That's fine with me, as long as they get of the high horse and stop acting like they are better then the rest. Eighty percent of EVE is attacking BOB and acussing them for the same stuff others (including Reds) do all the time. This thread just proved that.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:38:00 - [206] Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 15/01/2008 00:36:49 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: marakor Hey look at me I copy-paste a goon sig !! Hey look at me im gonna state and post the obvious Hey look at me, my sig will be removed tomorow ! Haha 2isk
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:42:00 - [207] Originally by: Zorland That's fine with me, as long as they get of the high horse and stop acting like they are better then the rest. Eighty perecent of EVE is attacking BOB and acussing them for the same stuff others (including Reds) do all the time. This thread just proved that. The differance is that bob was more successful at it than most but then as i read in another thread bob made excuses about their reasons for shafting ppl and now RA/GOON and the rest are, its just swings and roundabouts buddy if your smart you will create a alt and point this out as often as possable its gr8 fun.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:53:00 - [208] Edited by: Razin on 15/01/2008 00:56:41 Originally by: Zorland How can one distinguish if one is just friend or REAL friend? Is one your REAL friend when he pays for protection, but then is friend only (not REAL) when he just made two titans you want so much? Quoting a loser who doesn't know the difference between 'just friends' and real friends. Sad. ...
Airata	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:59:00 - [209] Originally by: Inosin People who scam or using exploits with full intention, lets say people who intentionally try to destroy the gameexperience of all others if just themselves bennefit from it, should be banned imediatly and permanently from this game. But sure this is not possible people are just *******s, the only thing i can say for sure is that I! would never scam someone. And who cares about you? Some of the most brilliant episodes in EVEs history were thought out scams. And this what makes EVE so great. Strong people survive, stupid people cry
Inosin Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.01.15 01:41:00 - [210] Edited by: Inosin on 15/01/2008 01:44:33 Quote: Strong people survive, stupid people cry And this is an excuse for every low behavior?? Srry but there are red lines some people see them, some cant see them and some want not. Fortunatly CCP are showing us at least some of this lines for the onesnot willing to play fair. Would you steal money from the bank if you play Monopoly with you parents and your girlfriend and say "just cry the strong survive" ? Scamming,Cheating,OutofgameSpying,Exploiting,Empiresuicideganking are all things much of eveplayer (thank god) would never do. And THEY are weak? I think its the other way round. Ever heard of categorical imperative? But sure i am stupid and cryin and weak , because i like it if some more people have fun in this game than just me. I was never scammed but i feel sad for the victims that makes me a victim too, dosnt it?
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 04:26:00 - [211] Originally by: Inosin Edited by: Inosin on 15/01/2008 01:44:33 Quote: Strong people survive, stupid people cry And this is an excuse for every low behavior?? Srry but there are red lines some people see them, some cant see them and some want not.... It's dangerous out there. Wars are fought. Fighting methods vary so much that it's not even clear when some wars start and when they end. And there sure ain't such a thing as a clean war. If you believe otherwise you're a tool. ...
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 04:33:00 - [212] Edited by: Vashi Dokumentu on 15/01/2008 04:34:15 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 15/01/2008 00:29:00 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 15/01/2008 00:25:27 Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 14/01/2008 19:06:04 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Come on, you're smart enough to understand it without me, let me quote the important part : Originally by: the official FAQ If the password was the only reason the ship had a right to be inside the starbase then the ship will be ejected from the force field. Anybody will then be free to board the ship and claim it. It was a pw protected pos, therefore the ships inside had pos access : 1 - per corp pilot if ships were piloted 2 - per password. The titan had no pilot so the only reason it could stay in the pos is the pw. Then the pos owner reseted the password. Well. It's not RA's fault who spyied the pos owner or haxz00rz teh forum. It's a human fault. Like Shrike did, like Cyvok did, like this guy from D¦ did, like Seleene did. Originally by: your link A ship left unpiloted in space will have its starbase force field password cleared during the daily downtime. The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS. Where in the link you provided does it say that "super capital ships launched from their arrays will shoot 200km out of the POS, so you should have a pilot on standby there"? Hint: It doesn't, because it's not intended to happen. Edit: Quote: The titan had no pilot so the only reason it could stay in the pos is the pw. Then the pos owner reseted the password. Where did you read that the password of the POS was changed after the Titan was launched? I certainly couldn't find it written anywhere in this thread. Are you saying XXxXXxXLegionofWhateverXXxxXX had an inside guy that changed the POS pw after the titan was launched? When I post somewhere, I read the op. The ship was launched. In a pos. Without a pilot of course. the POS didn't had the same password when it was stored. Eject. Fully in the game mechanics and no bug involved. I guess DMC changed the password BEFORE launching the titan just to Eject the RA guy. Then they felt safe to launch the titan. I'm just guessing here, I wasn't there. But if I'm right, it's got to be petitionned by our side at least just to have a clear crystal official whatever GM/Dev that say "Supercapital theft are reimboursed". It's strange at first I though it was "No petition will be handled on caps". It was like this a year ago. Anyway we need to know how supercap theft are handled. I petitioned, i had an password to POS but and owner launched the titan, but GM`s claims that he changed the password before he did that, and titan was taken by "bug", which again been used by EVERY SINGLE TITAN PILOT OF THIS GAME = TO GET HIS TITAN OUT OF CAPITAL SHIP ASSEMBLEY ARRAY.
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2008.01.15 04:38:00 - [213] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Inosin Edited by: Inosin on 15/01/2008 01:44:33 Quote: Strong people survive, stupid people cry And this is an excuse for every low behavior?? Srry but there are red lines some people see them, some cant see them and some want not.... It's dangerous out there. Wars are fought. Fighting methods vary so much that it's not even clear when some wars start and when they end. And there sure ain't such a thing as a clean war. If you believe otherwise you're a tool. Yup. I don't get why people are suprised, there's tons of scams in game, it's a game, you can say all you want about it reflecting on who you really are but that means squat. It just reflects on the type of gamer you are. I don't play like that but it doesn't bother me that some people do. It's a ***** game, get over it. ** happens, or in this case, almost happened. ------- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
D8 PREACHER Reiskokopops	Posted - 2008.01.15 04:52:00 - [214] Originally by: Mc Leech Actually this was all XIX not RA and was a beautiful scam planed well, done well and successful. Too bad this is now no longer Eve online its now WoW in space and scams are now being fixed by GMs. Soon we will all sit around an asteroid hold hands and sing tree huggers songs. This game use to be all controlled by players, scams where encouraged, piracy was encouraged but I guess they recruited some ex-WoW GM's so now its becoming a carebear game. Everything was done within game mechanics, it was ownerÆs stupidity that caused the loss of the titan, GM interference should have gotten him fired on the spot but I guess internal affairs are just as real as tooth fairy. are you really stupid enough to believe this ? yiu seem very familiar with wow
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:02:00 - [215] guys its very simple. Legion tried to scam DMC out of a titan. They used and exploit. GM returned the ship. Honestly Vashi should have recieved a ban for this. Smart move by DMC: NO Pathetic move by legion: YES there you have it I driks lot Originally by: Peoke this is nothing to do with dmc this is 1 of the 4 alliance under attack by red. the 4 weve sworn our lives to. SMASHKILL ATLAS CHAOS. SIMPLE
D8 PREACHER Reiskokopops	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:08:00 - [216] I am glad to see that common sense prevailed and dmc got the titan back.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.15 06:09:00 - [217] Originally by: Hrin This is all intended game mechanics. If a unpiloted ship has no PW or the wrong PW it is ejected from the POS. To avoid this, you board the ship. If this had been a carrier, the GM would not have intervened. DMC got very lucky with the petition. i've never seen a battleship get bounced out of the shield after jetting it from sma, not sure why a titan should. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.15 06:16:00 - [218] Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu Do not pyramid quote - Mitnal Quote: When I post somewhere, I read the op. The ship was launched. In a pos. Without a pilot of course. the POS didn't had the same password when it was stored. Eject. Fully in the game mechanics and no bug involved. I guess DMC changed the password BEFORE launching the titan just to Eject the RA guy. Then they felt safe to launch the titan. I'm just guessing here, I wasn't there. But if I'm right, it's got to be petitionned by our side at least just to have a clear crystal official whatever GM/Dev that say "Supercapital theft are reimboursed". It's strange at first I though it was "No petition will be handled on caps". It was like this a year ago. Anyway we need to know how supercap theft are handled. I petitioned, i had an password to POS but and owner launched the titan, but GM`s claims that he changed the password before he did that, and titan was taken by "bug", which again been used by EVERY SINGLE TITAN PILOT OF THIS GAME = TO GET HIS TITAN OUT OF CAPITAL SHIP ASSEMBLEY ARRAY. so your saying that every titan pilot has to chase down his ship after ejecting from an sma? Do you have to chase yours down when you ejct? Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.15 07:02:00 - [219] Edited by: Zorland on 15/01/2008 07:02:21 Originally by: rgreat People who will backstab you in a moment they feel it worth it. I'm wondwering if 2 titans are worth it You really should look yourself in the mirror more often...
Kuto Amarr Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 07:48:00 - [220] mmm, where can I get my share of "Backstabbing DMC" Fund?
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.15 07:56:00 - [221] Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu I petitioned, i had an password to POS but and owner launched the titan, but GM`s claims that he changed the password before he did that, and titan was taken by "bug", which again been used by EVERY SINGLE TITAN PILOT OF THIS GAME = TO GET HIS TITAN OUT OF CAPITAL SHIP ASSEMBLEY ARRAY. The bug would be that the Titan was jettisoned way outside the POS. Are you telling me that this has happened to every titan pilot in this game, and noone has ever bug reported it? Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
BigWhale Gallente TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Empire	Posted - 2008.01.15 08:03:00 - [222] Originally by: Razin Originally by: BigWhale You sir, have obviously never read the EULA. You should, you really should, then you will have enough knowledge to participate in debates like this. Simply said, get a clue mister! Did you have something to say on the subject, or are you just out to walk a bunch of alts? I am my own alt, thank you very much. More on the subject: if you can't figure out what most of the people here are trying to tell then it is not my problem, however it is your problem if you don't know on which terms you can play the game and that CCP makes the rules. One of the rules is that you are not allowed to use bugs in the game in your advantage. Your previous post about EVE being a sandbox is void as the sandbox environment still has to conform to the rules of the game. Read the EULA, it will help you understand this game better and it will make you think twice before posting nonsense on forums. You will also know what are punishments for using exploits. Now, run along and until you read the EULA and understand it, please, make sure you don't post about 'sandboxes' in this thread. And that is all there is to this subject. DMC falling for this kind of a scam is another subject, which I will not comment. -- R, U & Y are letters, not words...
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2008.01.15 08:57:00 - [223] Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 14/01/2008 23:46:23 The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian (RA,UNL,Legion,UR etc) because even though he is blue to you, and you paid for protection, and he placed a bid at online auction as highest bidder, and you trust him and consider him a friend, he will still try to abuse game mechanics and take your stuff. Worst then a corp thief tbh, and then they call someone a hyena.... This is a stupid generalization. Not all Russians are in those alliances happily bandawgonning in the war, and not everyone in those alliances is Russian. However RA are known for their "creative" use of game mechanics: logoffski, farming bugged static plexes for billions per day, now the Titan trick. And they say that it's because the victim was not "real friend", they just paid for protection and that means it's ok to scam them I guess, "real friends" should have given you the Titan for free
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 10:04:00 - [224] Edited by: xRazoRx on 15/01/2008 10:04:04 Damn, i should change "stupid" to "alt".
BigWhale Gallente TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Empire	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:15:00 - [225] So, you ran out of arguments... Thank you for your cooperation. -- R, U & Y are letters, not words...
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:50:00 - [226] Originally by: Omeega Bug is the easy word for "incompetence" and bad knowledge of game mechanics. When u launch a ship from within your own POS it should not be launched outside of the shield, to say a Titan launching from array far enough from the POS to be boarded by someone outside the shields is not a bug is pretty much preposterous. I find it funny, although I'm not in the least surprised, that a member of RA actually ragged on a guy for not knowing how to haxploit every aspect of the game. RA need to repeatedly be called out for what they are: Cheaters, Exploiters, ISK Salesmen/Farmers, and generally un-fun people to share game space with. Go omgwtflogoff/onski-bookmark-bomb-pos-spam-super-***-steal-titan-hax some other game. Seriously.
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:11:00 - [227] Originally by: Mc Leech Ask yourself this questions: And now think about it for a second he got his titan back in less than 30 minutes and GM never even asked any of us what happened simply took it away didnÆt even bother to write us anything... But GMs are fair and neutral right? Okay I'm asking myself that question right now. Hold on, I've got an answer. The entirety of the game you play is frickin logged, GM's/CCP-esque people can easily look to game logs to see what happened. When the titan was launched, who boarded it, and where. I'm not positive, but they can probably even tell you to which point in space the titan was launched. You never hear of GM's contacting both sides to "see what really happened" when a petition goes down. If that happened, I can think of a few enemies who would not have been reimbursed for their losses. Gm's get petition, they read it, they check their logs and apply what action is needed. It's not a conspiracy against you. Let me break it down for you: You guys are cheaters, you cheated to try and get a titan, and succeeded momentarily. This guy hits up CCP like, "hey, these guys are cheaters." CCP says to you, " Ummmm, yeah we're gonna need that titan back you Cheaty McCheatsters. yoink" Engage Russian tears. Honestly, don't you know how fking ****** you look guys? "Waaaah we're the worst exploiters and super-lame-oh's ever to see the gaming community, Waaaah" That's all I hear. Go punch a baby or lie to your mom or something. I dunno, whatever you guys do with your spare time. WTS: Dignity, Honor, Shame -- convo me with offers.
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:12:00 - [228] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2008 18:02:45 Originally by: MAXSuicide i have little sympathy tbh, the russians have done this kind of thing dozens of time. You should never have went into business with them. They are the most untrustworthy/unreliable 'ally' anyone can have. (que goon troll?) Somebody help me please. "The Russians" mean who ? RA ? AAA ? UNL ? Any big alliance I would have forgot ? Are you speaking about an irl country or just of an ingame alliance ? Russian is not only spoke in Russia. Or not only in RA. Same about French and TCF, German and D¦, finnish (I guess) in FinFleet, etc. RA isn't the Russia, as TCF isn't the France. Don't make this mistake, there is a lot more than "just" french ppl and russian ppl in our alliances. TCF is only half french for example. wow, way to make it far too technical.
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:19:00 - [229] Originally by: Factor Benz The GM's have no business interfering in the game, whatsoever. That has been a major problem in MMOs in the past and will be in the future. As soon as people figure this out, drama like this will cease to occur. GMs should not move people unless they are unable to move themselves. GMs should not act as "neutral" mediators in cases such as this. A GM interfering and returning a titan in a case such as this is absolutely ***** ridiculous. Where do I send the application for a pet gm? Step 1: Please re-read the emboldened part of your quote above. Step 2: Refer to the definition below ( research this yourself if you feel the need ) A Gamemaster or Game Master (often abbreviated as GM) is a player in a multiplayer game who acts as organizer, arbitrator, and officiant in rules situations. Step 3: Punch yourself in the mouth Remember its Think THEN** Speak, not make yourself look like a do*che Think, then speak.
Sin Talon	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:25:00 - [230] Well what can I say, RA what a big disappointment. Really thought RA was better than that, wow was I wrong. Being paid to protect an alliance, then send their pet Ka-tet to attack that allliance that they protected. Ka-tet was getting it's butt kicked so RA had no choice but to do their own dirty work directly. Can RA really sink any lower? Any corp/alliance that are not part of RA or it's pets, I would strongly recommend that before having any dealing with them make sure you don't forget to hire someone to watch your back. As for XIX if they are part of the RA alliance then they both share the responsibility.
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:34:00 - [231] Originally by: arghy steelwill Wait so he couldent even fly the thing yet he wanted to eject it and let it float free? Also you guys need to get this through your head that we dont care about honor hahah its like abuncha empire pubbies screaming at us for being dishonorable. If they had stolen your titan i would have patted them on the back and said good job. Its not an exploit because you idiots ejected a titan without a goddamn pilot which would have stoped this from happening, instead your stupidity caused the titan to bounce out of shields and they did what anyone would do and grabbed it. TCF/AAA/UNL/IAC/GS are pretty much the only people in eve who really matter haha i can tell you GS isent going to turn on RA anytime soon so i doubt any of the RSF is going to turn on them. So RA, keep on shineing maybe scam a titan for your brosefs cause we arent getting one any time soon but remember that any action you choose to take GS's got your back cause you've always had ours. It's a bug. It's a bug. For the love of god it's a fcking bug. Holy shtb*lls guys. Whens the last time u launched a ship from a POS and it flew 200km off the POS by itself? Tell me one time that happened to you. Its NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. It therefore doesn't matter if the dude knew it was gonna happen, or if he's stupid or whatever. Fine, theres a known bug where titans eject at 5k and go flying off into space. A known bug, a known bug, a known bug, a known bug. Even if the guy was stupid enough to launch knowing that the bug was there, it is still a bug. If i knew such a bug existed and had a titan I would launch it 12 times a day to see it go flying at 5k, i'd let some random dude steal it, and then I'd petition for laughs and do it again. Because its a bug, i.e. not within intended game mechanics, i.e. if it happens and you petition it will be fixed. Because its a bug. Stupid or not stupid, its unfair for ppl to lose things due to CCP's faulty unintended programming errors. What if there was a bug where undocking in an ibis caused ur wallet to go to 0. If you had a lapse in memory one day and undocked, killing your wallet: should you then be forced to live with CCP's mistake and eat the loss of all your ISK simply "because you're stupid". I think not, that's not how it works.
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:37:00 - [232] Originally by: Sin Talon Well what can I say, RA what a big disappointment. Really thought RA was better than that, wow was I wrong. Being paid to protect an alliance, then send their pet Ka-tet to attack that allliance that they protected. Ka-tet was getting it's butt kicked so RA had no choice but to do their own dirty work directly. Can RA really sink any lower? Any corp/alliance that are not part of RA or it's pets, I would strongly recommend that before having any dealing with them make sure you don't forget to hire someone to watch your back. As for XIX if they are part of the RA alliance then they both share the responsibility. You thought RA was better than that? How old is your character?
Sin Talon	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:40:00 - [233] Edited by: Sin Talon on 15/01/2008 12:42:18 Edited by: Sin Talon on 15/01/2008 12:41:29 Originally by: Darklin Eldaris Originally by: arghy steelwill Wait so he couldent even fly the thing yet he wanted to eject it and let it float free? Also you guys need to get this through your head that we dont care about honor hahah its like abuncha empire pubbies screaming at us for being dishonorable. If they had stolen your titan i would have patted them on the back and said good job. Its not an exploit because you idiots ejected a titan without a goddamn pilot which would have stoped this from happening, instead your stupidity caused the titan to bounce out of shields and they did what anyone would do and grabbed it. TCF/AAA/UNL/IAC/GS are pretty much the only people in eve who really matter haha i can tell you GS isent going to turn on RA anytime soon so i doubt any of the RSF is going to turn on them. So RA, keep on shineing maybe scam a titan for your brosefs cause we arent getting one any time soon but remember that any action you choose to take GS's got your back cause you've always had ours. It's a bug. It's a bug. For the love of god it's a fcking bug. Holy shtb*lls guys. Whens the last time u launched a ship from a POS and it flew 200km off the POS by itself? Tell me one time that happened to you. Its NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. It therefore doesn't matter if the dude knew it was gonna happen, or if he's stupid or whatever. Fine, theres a known bug where titans eject at 5k and go flying off into space. A known bug, a known bug, a known bug, a known bug. Even if the guy was stupid enough to launch knowing that the bug was there, it is still a bug. If i knew such a bug existed and had a titan I would launch it 12 times a day to see it go flying at 5k, i'd let some random dude steal it, and then I'd petition for laughs and do it again. Because its a bug, i.e. not within intended game mechanics, i.e. if it happens and you petition it will be fixed. Because its a bug. Stupid or not stupid, its unfair for ppl to lose things due to CCP's faulty unintended programming errors. What if there was a bug where undocking in an ibis caused ur wallet to go to 0. If you had a lapse in memory one day and undocked, killing your wallet: should you then be forced to live with CCP's mistake and eat the loss of all your ISK simply "because you're stupid". I think not, that's not how it works. Sounds a bit like when you warp to a bookmark in an asteroid feild and and a roid is occupying that space it throws you away from it a 10 - 20 times faster than max speed of the ship. Might be it was launched and something was occupying that space so same thing happened.
Sin Talon	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:49:00 - [234] Originally by: Darklin Eldaris Originally by: Sin Talon Well what can I say, RA what a big disappointment. Really thought RA was better than that, wow was I wrong. Being paid to protect an alliance, then send their pet Ka-tet to attack that allliance that they protected. Ka-tet was getting it's butt kicked so RA had no choice but to do their own dirty work directly. Can RA really sink any lower? Any corp/alliance that are not part of RA or it's pets, I would strongly recommend that before having any dealing with them make sure you don't forget to hire someone to watch your back. As for XIX if they are part of the RA alliance then they both share the responsibility. You thought RA was better than that? How old is your character? Obviously not old enough
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:08:00 - [235] Originally by: rgreat Edited by: rgreat on 15/01/2008 00:22:42 Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets. We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful ôonly-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAPö cerebears. People who will backstab you in a moment they feel it worth it. If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend? See you on the battlefield. May e-honor be with you. P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;) This is just priceless! Considering how much smack there has been towards BoB for 'treating allies with contempt' and the fact that that's 'the reason for their failure' I can't wait to see how this pans out. I guess some people just aren't bright enough to learn from history, eh?
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:13:00 - [236] Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: rgreat Edited by: rgreat on 15/01/2008 00:22:42 Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets. We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful “only-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAP” cerebears. People who will backstab you in a moment they feel it worth it. If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend? See you on the battlefield. May e-honor be with you. P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;) This is just priceless! Considering how much smack there has been towards BoB for 'treating allies with contempt' and the fact that that's 'the reason for their failure' I can't wait to see how this pans out. I guess some people just aren't bright enough to learn from history, eh? Link to a post of a RA member smacking BoB about 'treating allies with contempt' or stfu
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:36:00 - [237] Edited by: Pastora on 15/01/2008 13:36:53 Don't forget, we're the good guys! This: http://youtube.com/watch?v=c4diQEwrjv8 _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Fanjita	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:37:00 - [238] Originally by: Krychton Edited by: Krychton on 13/01/2008 17:40:02 Don't you mean "launched"? I kept thinking you taking someone named titan out for lunch. no he took titant out for lunch obvusly, instead of learning to spell :)
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:50:00 - [239] It is revealing that most of the alts that post in this thread bitterly and self-righteously defending EVE-online rules of conduct set by CCP's GMs, are themselves only too happy to break (or circumvent) the rules of this forum (established by the same company) to be able to vent their fetid vitriol. This glaring double standard is the true measure of their credibility and intent. ...
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:07:00 - [240] Originally by: Razin It is revealing that most of the alts that post in this thread bitterly and self-righteously defending EVE-online rules of conduct set by CCP's GMs, are themselves only too happy to break (or circumvent) the rules of this forum (established by the same company) to be able to vent their fetid vitriol. This glaring double standard is the true measure of their credibility and intent. At least they are not exploiting in-game like xxxxxxxxlegionxxx ---
Danyael Tyren Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:20:00 - [241] I think it is a pretty amazing testament to RA's success that every time there is a thread about them, a horde of cowardly alts come out of their little holes in Empire whinging about the Red's lack of e-honour. You really have to destroy a lot of alliances and corp's to get a nine page thread about some no-name corp doing something asinine.
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:23:00 - [242] Originally by: Danyael Tyren I think it is a pretty amazing testament to RA's success that every time there is a thread about them, a horde of cowardly alts come out of their little holes in Empire whinging about the Red's lack of e-honour. You really have to destroy a lot of alliances and corp's to get a nine page thread about some no-name corp doing something asinine. Christ knows how many people BoB must have steamrollered, then to get the level of Goonbleat's obsession with them.
Danyael Tyren Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:31:00 - [243] Originally by: General Windypops Christ knows how many people BoB must have steamrollered, then to get the level of Goonbleat's obsession with them. Yes, and look what happens when you steamroll a group that has a spine. You discover you didn't want to hold 0.0 space after all.
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:43:00 - [244] Originally by: Danyael Tyren Originally by: General Windypops Christ knows how many people BoB must have steamrollered, then to get the level of Goonbleat's obsession with them. Yes, and look what happens when you steamroll a group that has a spine. You discover you didn't want to hold 0.0 space after all. They get all shouty, gang together for a bit, then start to steal things off each other and fall apart? Just a wild guess. PS - I don't think by 'you' you're referring to the (admittedly awesome) achievements of Skullduggery Inc are you? I've been largely working solo for the best part of a year. I assume you're directing your last comments to members of BoB?
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:47:00 - [245] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin It is revealing that most of the alts that post in this thread bitterly and self-righteously defending EVE-online rules of conduct set by CCP's GMs, are themselves only too happy to break (or circumvent) the rules of this forum (established by the same company) to be able to vent their fetid vitriol. This glaring double standard is the true measure of their credibility and intent. At least they are not exploiting in-game like xxxxxxxxlegionxxx How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. ...
Vendi Neo Era	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:49:00 - [246] Let me just OMGROFLOLLERCOPTER at all the russians and their allies whining about GM intervention! Serves you all right tbh...
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:07:00 - [247] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin It is revealing that most of the alts that post in this thread bitterly and self-righteously defending EVE-online rules of conduct set by CCP's GMs, are themselves only too happy to break (or circumvent) the rules of this forum (established by the same company) to be able to vent their fetid vitriol. This glaring double standard is the true measure of their credibility and intent. At least they are not exploiting in-game like xxxxxxxxlegionxxx How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. Why not start a threadnought about it?
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:16:00 - [248] Originally by: Razin How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. And how would YOU know? Come down from your high horse. Your Alliance is the one that was caught exploiting game mechanics. ---
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:22:00 - [249] Edited by: Estephania on 15/01/2008 17:27:34 RA & friends emo rage because GM's didn't let them to exploit a bug is priceless. I guess sploiting is ok in their books if you are not caught by a GM. One member of xxxsomethingxxx is actually flaming ppl because they didn't know about a bug and at the same time admits that the whole stunt was planned beforehand. I think you guys should be happy that the GM only returned a Titan and didn't ban one of your pilots with restless and creative mind. Add to the drama the fact that this whole scam was aimed at an alliance who paid RA for protection. They've got real value for their ISK. Now it's clear how good are the "good guys"
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:26:00 - [250] Who said that we are good guys or e-honor tanks? We just dont see any exploit in a ship being bumped out of pos shields or in crushing down an insignificant nap-fested alliance of veldlovers. Yes, we are evil. F**k you.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:28:00 - [251] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. And how would YOU know? ... You must be stupid. Re-read this, the message you decided to reply to. If you still don't follow, ask your parents to explain it to you. ...
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:44:00 - [252] Edited by: Wesley Baird on 15/01/2008 17:45:25 Im curious as to why the Titan got bounced...in my own corp I have seen people eject cap ships from an array to have them sit in our POS bubble like giant lumps...with no bounce at all...so what happened with the Titan?? Is is possible the pwd change came after the Titan was ejected from the ship array?? If so, that is within the game mechanics, but if it bounced as a result of being ejected from the ship array that looks like a clear bug... This is a strange incident, and given that the XiX pilot expected the ship to be bounced, I have a funny feeling they knew that Supercaps getting ejected from the array would indeed bounce. Given the number of supercaps in the game, someone must have experience with this, and can confirm or deny this behavior as a repeatable bug.
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:59:00 - [253] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. And how would YOU know? ... You must be stupid. Re-read this, the message you decided to reply to. If you still don't follow, ask your parents to explain it to you. Instead, I suggest you read my message again since I don't think you quite understood my point. I understand you are trying to justify your wrong-doings by claiming to stand on the morale high ground, but really common belief is that you guys knew about this bug, and tried to exploit it. Actually thats cold, hard facts, since you even try to take credit for it. Do you not understand the severity of these accusations? How can you possibly think you are on the side of the law here? This is an exploit, not a scam. Thats the difference, and that is also what you seriously seem to have trouble of understanding / accepting. So I come to the conclusion that not me, but YOU must be stupid. With best regards, Khorian ---
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:05:00 - [254] I think that is how it happened: When you hit a space that is already occupied by something, you are launched at an incredible speed in a random direction. What determines the rate of your slowing down is the inertia of your ship - massive ships will fly longer distances because in Eve space/water physics the rate of their deceleration will be slower. RA probably scouted the POS and saw that there's no place for a Titan to be ejected from the array without hitting some other POS module (Titan is not a small ship after all). That's exactly what happened. the Titan was launched on the space that was occupied by something else and was shot out of the POS shield at the interceptor speed. Obviously GM's returned the Titan, so the anger and frustration of the RA over this matter is strange. GM did his job and prevented an unintended game mechanics from being purposefully exploited.
Jasese The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:11:00 - [255] The gm decision to return it is stupid, xix/ra wouldve gotten the titan no matter what, dmc didin't have a titan pilot. XIX had the password, and if they wouldn't, they would've blown the pos up, its a retarted decision on ccps behalf
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:14:00 - [256] Originally by: Jasese The gm decision to return it is stupid, xix/ra wouldve gotten the titan no matter what, dmc didin't have a titan pilot. XIX had the password, and if they wouldn't, they would've blown the pos up, its a retarted decision on ccps behalf I think it is pretty clear it doesn't matter what you or the other cheaters think.
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:17:00 - [257] Edited by: Kaaii on 15/01/2008 18:27:08 Edited by: Kaaii on 15/01/2008 18:19:32 Originally by: Razin Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin It is revealing that most of the alts that post in this thread bitterly and self-righteously defending EVE-online rules of conduct set by CCP's GMs, are themselves only too happy to break (or circumvent) the rules of this forum (established by the same company) to be able to vent their fetid vitriol. This glaring double standard is the true measure of their credibility and intent. At least they are not exploiting in-game like xxxxxxxxlegionxxx How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. You might be able to chit the younger players in the game, but those of us old enough remember your antics with the carrier cargo exploits, overloading the bays for hundreds of K vol after being told it was an exploit. I guess you had to back in the day when your back was against the wall in cache, with 2 stations left to your names... Or how about the Billions and billions you all exploited on broken complex key holder resapwns, farming them 23/7 with first your mains, and then when CCP said no more, its an exploit, your throwaway alt corps. How many *hundreds of billions* in exploited isks did you all pocket? I bet that went a long way to get you where you are now. you see, most of the newer pups have no idea your dark history is as tarnished as those who you now point to with the over used dev sploit cry... But others...do. you're not clean, don't act like it... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Jasese The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:27:00 - [258] Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Originally by: Jasese The gm decision to return it is stupid, xix/ra wouldve gotten the titan no matter what, dmc didin't have a titan pilot. XIX had the password, and if they wouldn't, they would've blown the pos up, its a retarted decision on ccps behalf I think it is pretty clear it doesn't matter what you or the other cheaters think. I think it is pretty clear nobody knows who you are so you have nothing to say regarding this discussion
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:51:00 - [259] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. And how would YOU know? ... You must be stupid. Re-read this, the message you decided to reply to. If you still don't follow, ask your parents to explain it to you. Instead, I suggest you read my message again since I don't think you quite understood my point. I understand you are trying to justify your wrong-doings by claiming to stand on the morale high ground, but really common belief is that you guys knew about this bug, and tried to exploit ità No, you do not. My post was a simple comment on motivations and integrity of most of the accusers in this and other threads, who happened to be alts. This has fnck all to do with morality or lawfulness (as, indeed, does the world of EVE). The other kind of accusers, those like yourself, are tools with no significant knowledge of any facts related to these events (except those you decide to take on faith based on your personal bias), nor any way to influence them, and are irrelevant. I do not feel the need, nor am I justifying my actions, and/or the actions of my alliance, to anyone here, regardless of classification. ...
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:54:00 - [260] Originally by: Kaaii You might be able to chit the younger players in the game, but those of us old enough remember your antics with the carrier cargo exploits, overloading the bays for hundreds of K vol after being told it was an exploit. I guess you had to back in the day when your back was against the wall in cache, with 2 stations left to your names... Or how about the Billions and billions you all exploited on broken complex key holder resapwns, farming them 23/7 with first your mains, and then when CCP said no more, its an exploit, your throwaway alt corps. How many *hundreds of billions* in exploited isks did you all pocket? I bet that went a long way to get you where you are now. you see, most of the newer pups have no idea your dark history is as tarnished as those who you now point to with the over used dev sploit cry... But others...do. you're not clean, don't act like it... Thats a lot of accusations there. It sounds like you are bitter about something. If only there was something to explain your tears.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:57:00 - [261] Originally by: Kaaii Edited by: Kaaii on 15/01/2008 18:27:08 Edited by: Kaaii on 15/01/2008 18:19:32 ...some BS about hygiene... Looks like you're pretty bitter. See my reply to your alliance mate. ...
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:04:00 - [262] Originally by: Kaaii ...stupid nonsense... It was spitted out on CAOD so it must be true! For all I know, You are the one who was exploiting complexes in South and in BoB space. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:20:00 - [263] Originally by: Jasese Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Originally by: Jasese The gm decision to return it is stupid, xix/ra wouldve gotten the titan no matter what, dmc didin't have a titan pilot. XIX had the password, and if they wouldn't, they would've blown the pos up, its a retarted decision on ccps behalf I think it is pretty clear it doesn't matter what you or the other cheaters think. I think it is pretty clear nobody knows who you are so you have nothing to say regarding this discussion Who has the titan now? Oh yeah, that's right. So yeah, your opinion does not matter. Go farm some plexes and exploit some game mechanics.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:52:00 - [264] Edited by: Estephania on 15/01/2008 20:52:40 Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Kaaii ...stupid nonsense... It was spitted out on CAOD so it must be true! For all I know, You are the one who was exploiting complexes in South and in BoB space. No, it's not true, nothing of that is true. There was no carrier bug and no one exploited those bugged respawns in RA controlled space. Or may be it was BoB? Yeees, sure it was BoB You guys can fool some newbs here and there, but ppl who are longer in the game know your history rather well. History can't be changed, no matter how hard you try to do it.
WraithFire Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 08:28:00 - [265] Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Kaaii ...stupid nonsense... It was spitted out on CAOD so it must be true! For all I know, You are the one who was exploiting complexes in South and in BoB space. I dunno what joint u came from, but it seems that it is a dark one.
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.01.16 11:33:00 - [266] Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Kaaii ...stupid nonsense... It was spitted out on CAOD so it must be true! For all I know, You are the one who was exploiting complexes in South and in BoB space. 0/10 on damage control. Best leave the spinning to the goons, its the one thing they excel at.... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:28:00 - [267] I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections. Originally by: ingame 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. Originally by: ingame GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:31:00 - [268] Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections.
Tavernier R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:37:00 - [269] How much cost personal GM per month ?
Tavernier R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:37:00 - [270] Oh, seems I know answer û 1 titan :)
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:52:00 - [271] Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections. WTB GM or Senior GM, so i finaly can steal some titans ffs
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:58:00 - [272] Originally by: dastommy79 guys its very simple. Legion tried to scam DMC out of a titan. They used and exploit. GM returned the ship. Honestly Vashi should have recieved a ban for this. Smart move by DMC: NO Pathetic move by legion: YES there you have it seriously this is it. why the hell is there so many pages on this subject I driks lot Originally by: Peoke this is nothing to do with dmc this is 1 of the 4 alliance under attack by red. the 4 weve sworn our lives to. SMASHKILL ATLAS CHAOS. SIMPLE
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:02:00 - [273] Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections. Lol, thats a good one... :D Wherever you go... There you are...
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:03:00 - [274] Originally by: Tavernier How much cost personal GM per month ? Ask Sir Molle.
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:36:00 - [275] Edited by: Kvaell on 16/01/2008 21:42:13 Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections. Quote: Originally by: ingame 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. Quote: Originally by: ingame GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping I may not know when it started, but these things I do know. There is a specific jumpbridge in BQ0 system that for several days has decided to offlining itself. First a GM blows it up and reimburses the jump bridge. We get in up and online. It's offlines after some time. CCP Mindstar tempolary join the corp that own the POS and does something (Well I know he/she came and it worked for a bit afterwards). Well, it worked for some time and then it offlined itself Now GM Ocelot comes to help and seemingly requires Cruel Fox participation to get that damn jump bridge to work normally. RA naturally tries to shoot him as they probably think he is trying to online the jumpbridge (as in we have manually offlined it and onlining it again), so the GM has to protect the awesome and powerful Punisher. It's nothing but a bug that is getting fixed (hopefully) Yeah awesome Dev-GM connections there. It's the first time ever I have seen a GM or Dev in DMC space. Only an ISD reporter in a polaris frigate has been here before iirc. EDIT: Yay it's offline again
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:40:00 - [276] Originally by: Kvaell Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections. Quote: Originally by: ingame 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. Quote: Originally by: ingame GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping I may not know when it started, but these things I do know. There is a specific jumpbridge in BQ0 system that for several days has decided to offlining itself. First a GM blows it up and reimburses the jump bridge. We get in up and online. It's offlines after some time. CCP Mindstar tempolary join the corp that own the POS and does something (Well I know he/she came and it worked for a bit afterwards). Well, it worked for some time and then it offlined itself Now GM Ocelot comes to help and seemingly requires Cruel Fox participation to get that damn jump bridge to work normally. RA naturally tries to shoot him as they probably think he is trying to online the jumpbridge (as in we have manually offlined it and onlining it again), so the GM has to protect the awesome and powerful Punisher. It's nothing but a bug that is getting fixed (hopefully) Yeah awesome Dev-GM connections there. It's the first time ever I have seen a GM or Dev in DMC space. Only an ISD reporter in a polaris frigate has been here before iirc. T20 never spawned those bpo`s either......
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:49:00 - [277] Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu T20 never spawned those bpo`s either...... Uhhmm... If you are suggesting that we are somehow having developers actively tweaking the game to our advantage I sure don't know what it should be. Could you please tell me when we have done stuff that is literally impossible to do without help from GM/Developer besides the Punisher of Death (and boy that killed like a million ships before you could pew pew it) during this siege?
Zathi Shaitan Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:52:00 - [278] Originally by: Cruel Fox more dirty then "more thAn". Originally by: Cruel Fox -ship lunched Did it taste good? Originally by: Cruel Fox shileds Lol. No comment needed. Originally by: Cruel Fox -he borded it with his alt, and insted of sending isk, he loged Boarded, instead, logged. Originally by: Cruel Fox obviuslly I'll stop now. I'm laughing too loud. Really, no one will believe a 5 year old posting here. Please do your homework and come back in 10 years. ---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus?
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:54:00 - [279] Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections. Originally by: ingame 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. Originally by: ingame GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping How cute! First Cruel Fox helps GM Ocelot, then GM Ocelot helps Cruel Fox. Only fair, right? ...
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:09:00 - [280] Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 16/01/2008 21:56:48 How cute! First Cruel Fox helps GM Ocelot, then GM Ocelot helps Cruel Fox (or is it the other way around?). Only fair, right? Did Cruel gave isk or titans or blueprints to a GM? I am confused by these accusation you give here. What excactly did Cruel Fox give for a temporarily invulnerable Punisher that could possible interest a GM? And has Ocelot given anything else you can prove?
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:11:00 - [281] HAHAHAAAAA! Man, now they working with the Devs... Why did they ever need RA then? Amirite? Wherever you go... There you are...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:21:00 - [282] Originally by: Kvaell Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 16/01/2008 21:56:48 How cute! First Cruel Fox helps GM Ocelot, then GM Ocelot helps Cruel Fox (or is it the other way around?). Only fair, right? Did Cruel gave isk or titans or blueprints to a GM? I am confused by these accusation you give here. What excactly did Cruel Fox give for a temporarily invulnerable Punisher that could possible interest a GM? And has Ocelot given anything else you can prove? You're babbling. Things have been pretty clear from the beginning. This is simply another data point that supports initial conclusions. ...
Alahar Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:22:00 - [283] Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 16/01/2008 21:56:48 Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections. Originally by: ingame 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. Originally by: ingame GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping How cute! First Cruel Fox helps GM Ocelot, then GM Ocelot helps Cruel Fox (or is it the other way around?). Only fair, right? This is so funny, before you know it DMC is coming with untargetable Titans to destroy everything in RA space. ROFL. Ofcourse thats not going to happen. geese come on boys its a jumpbridge that is bugged for a while now.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:23:00 - [284] Uber Punisher of doom. How many ppl will lose their sleep because of that. And they thought it's the Titan that was worth stealing. Now they know the cold truth.
BigWhale Gallente TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Empire	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:29:00 - [285] Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections You sir need to post the whole conversation in here. Oh wait, you're not going to do that because it will discredit you. [ 2008.01.16 19:59:08 ] GM Ocelot > Hello, [ 2008.01.16 19:59:16 ] GM Ocelot > Please stop firing [ 2008.01.16 19:59:43 ] GM Ocelot > This pos is broken and we are working on fixing it [ 2008.01.16 19:59:52 ] Swecyborg > why ? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:11 ] Raginv0nslick > can we still shoot ships? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:18 ] Raginv0nslick > :P [ 2008.01.16 20:00:21 ] Talon Karrad > we've had a lot of POS's and stuff broke lately [ 2008.01.16 20:00:21 ] GM Ocelot > NO! [ 2008.01.16 20:00:27 ] nync > 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. [ 2008.01.16 20:00:28 ] nync > lol [ 2008.01.16 20:00:33 ] nync > any explanations? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:39 ] nync > or we just have to go away? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:45 ] nync > or stop playing? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:47 ] jacki3ya > ).) [ 2008.01.16 20:00:51 ] GM Ocelot > I said STOP SHOOTING! [ 2008.01.16 20:01:15 ] nync > STOP SHOOTING WHAT? [ 2008.01.16 20:01:25 ] GM Ocelot > STOP SHOOTING THE POS [ 2008.01.16 20:01:37 ] ByFadam > nync .. don¦t stop shooting .. if you do DMC might get the advantage [ 2008.01.16 20:01:40 ] Swecyborg > we are at war if our targets get imuniezed by ccp we wil petition that [ 2008.01.16 20:01:53 ] nync > just try to explain your self better [ 2008.01.16 20:02:40 ] ByFadam > perhaps he can if he is allowed to do his job instead of having to repeat "Stop shooting" :) [ 2008.01.16 20:02:59 ] Plutarch Simmons > He didn't use the proper Commie-Speak for these guys [ 2008.01.16 20:03:06 ] GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping us fix the pos as he needs to be present to solve the problem [ 2008.01.16 20:03:16 ] nync > rgr [ 2008.01.16 20:04:09 ] Uruz > we have another error in here to u can fix it call RA ithink [ 2008.01.16 20:04:24 ] EHbKA > GM ship in enemy fleet.... great CCP ... ( There is more smack talk from RA in between ) ... [ 2008.01.16 20:40:17 ] GM Ocelot > Hello again, The issue with pos has been fixed you now resume what you were doing. Have a nice day. Of course, there is a conspiracy as always, right? -- R, U & Y are letters, not words...
rgreat Gallente OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:49:00 - [286] Edited by: rgreat on 16/01/2008 22:56:11 I wish some GM fixed broken jump bridge (for several weeks and lots of petitions) in RA capital system. Instead of giving invulnerability to our enemies and ordering us around to fix jump bridges on some random POS dying under attack by RA. It was titan pos or something? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jarvin Kell Kingdom of Kador Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:56:00 - [287] Originally by: rgreat Edited by: rgreat on 16/01/2008 22:52:27 I wish some GM fixed broken jump bridge (for several weeks and lots of petitions) in RA capital system. And not immunise our enemies and order us around to 'fix' some random POS jumpbridges dying under attack by RA. It was titan pos or something? Or maybe RA has GMs working from the inside to break down DMC jump bridges Seriously though, JB is busted. GMs have tried to fix the problem for a long time, probably just as they've tried to fix yours.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 23:01:00 - [288] wow. have you guys never seen a GM in local during a fight, trying to fix things? The least you can do is be polite. CONSPIRACYS 1!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I driks lot Originally by: Peoke this is nothing to do with dmc this is 1 of the 4 alliance under attack by red. the 4 weve sworn our lives to. SMASHKILL ATLAS CHAOS. SIMPLE
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.16 23:14:00 - [289] Originally by: dastommy79 wow. have you guys never seen a GM in local during a fight, trying to fix things? The least you can do is be polite. CONSPIRACYS 1!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guess you werent in LV vs RA war, amirite?
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 23:42:00 - [290] Originally by: xRazoRx Originally by: dastommy79 wow. have you guys never seen a GM in local during a fight, trying to fix things? The least you can do is be polite. CONSPIRACYS 1!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guess you werent in LV vs RA war, amirite? I'm listening......... also what tz u at? I never see you during est peak I driks lot Originally by: Peoke this is nothing to do with dmc this is 1 of the 4 alliance under attack by red. the 4 weve sworn our lives to. SMASHKILL ATLAS CHAOS. SIMPLE
Internet Knight	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:23:00 - [291] Edited by: Internet Knight on 17/01/2008 00:23:17 ! --- How to resolve Singularity character syncing
Papa Digger OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:55:00 - [292] Originally by: BigWhale Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections You sir need to post the whole conversation in here. Oh wait, you're not going to do that because it will discredit you. Descredit what? GM can fix DMC POS only when RA shoot it? LOL ---- ex-CEO.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:23:00 - [293] Originally by: BigWhale You sir need to post the whole conversation in here. Oh wait, you're not going to do that because it will discredit you. [ 2008.01.16 19:59:08 ] GM Ocelot > Hello, [ 2008.01.16 19:59:16 ] GM Ocelot > Please stop firing [ 2008.01.16 19:59:43 ] GM Ocelot > This pos is broken and we are working on fixing it [ 2008.01.16 19:59:52 ] Swecyborg > why ? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:11 ] Raginv0nslick > can we still shoot ships? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:18 ] Raginv0nslick > :P [ 2008.01.16 20:00:21 ] Talon Karrad > we've had a lot of POS's and stuff broke lately [ 2008.01.16 20:00:21 ] GM Ocelot > NO! [ 2008.01.16 20:00:27 ] nync > 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. [ 2008.01.16 20:00:28 ] nync > lol [ 2008.01.16 20:00:33 ] nync > any explanations? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:39 ] nync > or we just have to go away? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:45 ] nync > or stop playing? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:47 ] jacki3ya > ).) [ 2008.01.16 20:00:51 ] GM Ocelot > I said STOP SHOOTING! [ 2008.01.16 20:01:15 ] nync > STOP SHOOTING WHAT? [ 2008.01.16 20:01:25 ] GM Ocelot > STOP SHOOTING THE POS [ 2008.01.16 20:01:37 ] ByFadam > nync .. don¦t stop shooting .. if you do DMC might get the advantage [ 2008.01.16 20:01:40 ] Swecyborg > we are at war if our targets get imuniezed by ccp we wil petition that [ 2008.01.16 20:01:53 ] nync > just try to explain your self better [ 2008.01.16 20:02:40 ] ByFadam > perhaps he can if he is allowed to do his job instead of having to repeat "Stop shooting" :) [ 2008.01.16 20:02:59 ] Plutarch Simmons > He didn't use the proper Commie-Speak for these guys [ 2008.01.16 20:03:06 ] GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping us fix the pos as he needs to be present to solve the problem [ 2008.01.16 20:03:16 ] nync > rgr [ 2008.01.16 20:04:09 ] Uruz > we have another error in here to u can fix it call RA ithink [ 2008.01.16 20:04:24 ] EHbKA > GM ship in enemy fleet.... great CCP ... ( There is more smack talk from RA in between ) ... [ 2008.01.16 20:40:17 ] GM Ocelot > Hello again, The issue with pos has been fixed you now resume what you were doing. Have a nice day. Of course, there is a conspiracy as always, right? I personally don't see anything discrediting here. Not for RA, that is. A GM is working with a player character that has very recently been involved in a controversy caused by a GM's involvement in reimbursing this player's titan. If appearances do not matter to this GM, what's to say he cares about any other subtlety that is intrinsic to the type of work he is supposed to be performing? Is this incompetence or stupidity? Judging by how well these two have hit it off, it's both. ...
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:31:00 - [294] Originally by: BigWhale Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections You sir need to post the whole conversation in here. Oh wait, you're not going to do that because it will discredit you. [ 2008.01.16 19:59:08 ] GM Ocelot > Hello, [ 2008.01.16 19:59:16 ] GM Ocelot > Please stop firing [ 2008.01.16 19:59:43 ] GM Ocelot > This pos is broken and we are working on fixing it [ 2008.01.16 19:59:52 ] Swecyborg > why ? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:11 ] Raginv0nslick > can we still shoot ships? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:18 ] Raginv0nslick > :P [ 2008.01.16 20:00:21 ] Talon Karrad > we've had a lot of POS's and stuff broke lately [ 2008.01.16 20:00:21 ] GM Ocelot > NO! [ 2008.01.16 20:00:27 ] nync > 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. [ 2008.01.16 20:00:28 ] nync > lol [ 2008.01.16 20:00:33 ] nync > any explanations? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:39 ] nync > or we just have to go away? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:45 ] nync > or stop playing? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:47 ] jacki3ya > ).) [ 2008.01.16 20:00:51 ] GM Ocelot > I said STOP SHOOTING! [ 2008.01.16 20:01:15 ] nync > STOP SHOOTING WHAT? [ 2008.01.16 20:01:25 ] GM Ocelot > STOP SHOOTING THE POS [ 2008.01.16 20:01:37 ] ByFadam > nync .. don¦t stop shooting .. if you do DMC might get the advantage [ 2008.01.16 20:01:40 ] Swecyborg > we are at war if our targets get imuniezed by ccp we wil petition that [ 2008.01.16 20:01:53 ] nync > just try to explain your self better [ 2008.01.16 20:02:40 ] ByFadam > perhaps he can if he is allowed to do his job instead of having to repeat "Stop shooting" :) [ 2008.01.16 20:02:59 ] Plutarch Simmons > He didn't use the proper Commie-Speak for these guys [ 2008.01.16 20:03:06 ] GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping us fix the pos as he needs to be present to solve the problem [ 2008.01.16 20:03:16 ] nync > rgr [ 2008.01.16 20:04:09 ] Uruz > we have another error in here to u can fix it call RA ithink [ 2008.01.16 20:04:24 ] EHbKA > GM ship in enemy fleet.... great CCP ... ( There is more smack talk from RA in between ) ... [ 2008.01.16 20:40:17 ] GM Ocelot > Hello again, The issue with pos has been fixed you now resume what you were doing. Have a nice day. Of course, there is a conspiracy as always, right? Well, it's tacky, thats for sure. I'd figure after the T20 and the threadnaught and all that mess that GMs would be more careful to not give the impression of impropriety.
Incy Taters BLACK SKY Exploration and Development Dark Matter Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 02:31:00 - [295] Quote: Who said that we are good guys or e-honor tanks? We just dont see any exploit in a ship being bumped out of pos shields or in crushing down an insignificant nap-fested alliance of veldlovers. Yes, we are evil. F**k you. It has officially been proven! Having an X before and after your name or your corp/alliance name makes you an e-thug. Grats!!!
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.17 04:13:00 - [296] No wonder you are Goon friends......
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.17 07:16:00 - [297] How to win an argument? Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.17 07:22:00 - [298] Originally by: Incy Taters Quote: Who said that we are good guys or e-honor tanks? We just dont see any exploit in a ship being bumped out of pos shields or in crushing down an insignificant nap-fested alliance of veldlovers. Yes, we are evil. F**k you. It has officially been proven! Having an X before and after your name or your corp/alliance name makes you an e-thug. Grats!!! i thought it made you straight-edged................. I RP EWOK
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.17 07:51:00 - [299] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 17/01/2008 07:56:04 Edited by: Cruel Fox on 17/01/2008 07:52:18 Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections. DMC had at least 1 dev and 2 gms in last 2 days working against RA! so we have them! U guys relly are claver to figure that one out! But to give at least small coment: after u have petition of your tower in lvl 4 sov was under atack and at 20% shields wich is IMPOSIBLE and when your towers r buged to the lvl that u cant online or your towers dont shoot ect ect (i am wondering why) it is really unexpected that GMs trys to fix stuff out. And if they demand me to sit outside asa siting duck to try fixing their bugs then DAMND SURE u wont kill me at that event my dear Nync! _________________________________________ Russian true speach about themselves: U do have to understand we are russians and we do have our own honor and reputation
Porgy Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.17 07:53:00 - [300] Game master coalition ftw
BigWhale Gallente TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:42:00 - [301] We are being accused of conspiring with GM's and the GM conversations are not allowed to be published here, to clear things up. But, accusastions and other ingame messages are allowed to be posted. So, can GM that was there at the time, elaborate on the whole matter? Otherwise we can assume that forum wars are a part of the game too? -- R, U & Y are letters, not words...
Arriadna Gallente Night Guards	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:43:00 - [302] RA so cruel, that can shoot POS even under sov 4 protection. You must knew it. :)
Koti Resci Knighthawk Light Industries	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:09:00 - [303] Originally by: Wesley Baird This is a strange incident, and given that the XiX pilot expected the ship to be bounced, I have a funny feeling they knew that Supercaps getting ejected from the array would indeed bounce. Hey Wesley. Let me help you with this one. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=681897&page=7#190 Originally by: Bilaz Point is we had no choice but to use this "bad" mechanic to steal a titan, since there are NO other way for pilot not from corp/ally who bild it to get inside titan. so it was hopeless from the start, but unfortunaly it was known only to gm's & dev's So, straight up from a Legion of xXDEATHXx member, they are receiving sensitive information regarding exploits from internal GMs and devs.
Bilaz Minmatar Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.17 10:42:00 - [304] Originally by: Koti Resci Originally by: Wesley Baird This is a strange incident, and given that the XiX pilot expected the ship to be bounced, I have a funny feeling they knew that Supercaps getting ejected from the array would indeed bounce. Hey Wesley. Let me help you with this one. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=681897&page=7#190 Originally by: Bilaz Point is we had no choice but to use this "bad" mechanic to steal a titan, since there are NO other way for pilot not from corp/ally who bild it to get inside titan. so it was hopeless from the start, but unfortunaly it was known only to gm's & dev's So, straight up from a Legion of xXDEATHXx member, they are receiving sensitive information regarding exploits from internal GMs and devs. i've said that only devs and gms knew. shoudnt this mean that we didn't knew before it happened? and afterwards they shared their holy wisdom about this "evil bug" we witnessed, for like two weeks before convincing themselves they made the right thing. or that they made the wrong thing, but cant undo what gm made, since all past and future gm moves would be questioned. i dont know or care. Use your brain - even if we paid the money, we would have get titan exactly the same way. so if u pay money its intended game mechanics and if u dont its exploit? and btw no one told us we were exploiting - they only said that we got big T thru using "bad" game mechanics. and if u are interested how we knew this would happen - we were told by our friends. how they knew? they witnessed it couple times. anyways its old story and with no way to change it i'll leave this as it is.
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:26:00 - [305] Free titan, would try to get it aswell? :D Public Noobism
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.17 14:58:00 - [306] Originally by: Razin Please do post GM conversations on the forums - Mitnal I will certainly try not to make the same mistake again. However, I would like to point out that sensoring is pointless with all the eve-online forum posts being cached on eve-search.com. Anyone who want's to see the sensored information can just go there. ...
Zathi Shaitan Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:09:00 - [307] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Razin Please do post GM conversations on the forums - Mitnal I will certainly try not to make the same mistake again. However, I would like to point out that sensoring is pointless with all the eve-online forum posts being cached on eve-search.com. Anyone who want's to see the sensored information can just go there. Don't worry about that. CCP are so adamant on some things, but Chribba mirroring the Eve-o forums is apparently excused. ---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus?
noshrike intersteller media	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:58:00 - [308] Originally by: Yussef I don't get CCPs decision. I'm sure the many people who have lost things to their own stupidity are wondering why they weren't given their goods back. because jetisoning a ship inside the force field shouldnt send it flying 400km. it was a crappy game mechanic, and CCP knew it. also why would you guys be defending RA for trechery, and thievery, when thats the sole purpose that everyone wants bob dead? are you saying you should be next? and if im not mistaken, isnt it RA who is hiding as we speak? ive heard from several sources that RA wants to Blue Chaos Incarnate, and ATLAS Alliance so that Roadkill and SMASH dont join in and steam roll them.
The Slayer Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:04:00 - [309] Had the titan been lost due to the RA guy saying "Hey man can you bump it out of the shields so I can get a better look at it I won't steal it honest K thx" then yes, that would have been stupid. As it was it was lost to a bug and was returned. I don't see the problem here.
PR0PAGANDA Gallente Raging Emo	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:11:00 - [310] Originally by: noshrike Originally by: Yussef I don't get CCPs decision. I'm sure the many people who have lost things to their own stupidity are wondering why they weren't given their goods back. because jetisoning a ship inside the force field shouldnt send it flying 400km. it was a crappy game mechanic, and CCP knew it. also why would you guys be defending RA for trechery, and thievery, when thats the sole purpose that everyone wants bob dead? are you saying you should be next? and if im not mistaken, isnt it RA who is hiding as we speak? ive heard from several sources that RA wants to Blue Chaos Incarnate, and ATLAS Alliance so that Roadkill and SMASH dont join in and steam roll them. Am i not understanding what you are saying or did you just imply that Ra is scared of smash and roadkill. that is just funny!!! RSF would beat the Smashkill to a pulp. I buy t2 building parts. Mail me offers.
Taison Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:17:00 - [311] Originally by: noshrike Originally by: Yussef I don't get CCPs decision. I'm sure the many people who have lost things to their own stupidity are wondering why they weren't given their goods back. because jetisoning a ship inside the force field shouldnt send it flying 400km. it was a crappy game mechanic, and CCP knew it. also why would you guys be defending RA for trechery, and thievery, when thats the sole purpose that everyone wants bob dead? are you saying you should be next? and if im not mistaken, isnt it RA who is hiding as we speak? ive heard from several sources that RA wants to Blue Chaos Incarnate, and ATLAS Alliance so that Roadkill and SMASH dont join in and steam roll them. I really love to see how XIX becomes RA at once in each thread. Yes they are friends and have a long time history together. But that are absolutely diffrent people besides some small amount. And they do diffrent things. I love how all russians are associated with RA everytime. I myself went through several russian alliances and corps and anytime i had a convo with some non russians they actually believed that all russians no matter where they are are alts of RA. Comon people - thats really not the way it is. U know it actually reminds me of a movie i saw on BestOFYoutube on my iphone. This one actually . Its just pathetic. Comon stop the crap - not all russians are RA and not all russian speaking are RA alts. In fact it seems like the minority of russians is actually in RA atm. And there are many russians that are -10 with RA. Like us -)))
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:24:00 - [312] Taison, it's the oldest trick in the book. Suggest all eastern european alliances are the same, so they start doing different things to show they are different. Divide and conquer.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:46:00 - [313] All of this could have been avoided if you just watched The Princess Bride: "You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The first is never get involved in a land war in the Drone Regions. The second, only slightly less well known, is this: never go up against a member of RA when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha -- Thud" Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:54:00 - [314] Originally by: Incy Taters Quote: Who said that we are good guys or e-honor tanks? We just dont see any exploit in a ship being bumped out of pos shields or in crushing down an insignificant nap-fested alliance of veldlovers. Yes, we are evil. F**k you. It has officially been proven! Having an X before and after your name or your corp/alliance name makes you an e-thug. Grats!!! gangsta shiiit
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:59:00 - [315] Originally by: Zathi Shaitan Originally by: Razin Originally by: Razin Please do post GM conversations on the forums - Mitnal I will certainly try not to make the same mistake again. However, I would like to point out that sensoring is pointless with all the eve-online forum posts being cached on eve-search.com. Anyone who want's to see the sensored information can just go there. Don't worry about that. CCP are so adamant on some things, but Chribba mirroring the Eve-o forums is apparently excused. <3 Chribba
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.17 23:05:00 - [316] Originally by: Farham All of this could have been avoided if you just watched The Princess Bride: "You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The first is never get involved in a land war in the Drone Regions. The second, only slightly less well known, is this: never go up against a member of RA when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha -- Thud" you best switch off from training the forum whoring skill lvl5 and get some combat skills done. I am coming for you Farham. I am your endgame I driks lot Originally by: Peoke this is nothing to do with dmc this is 1 of the 4 alliance under attack by red. the 4 weve sworn our lives to. SMASHKILL ATLAS CHAOS. SIMPLE
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.17 23:29:00 - [317] Quote: you best switch off from training the forum whoring skill lvl5 and get some combat skills done. I am coming for you Farham. I am your endgameTwisted Evil Pick your poison, Thanatos or Revelation? Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Havoc G Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.01.18 01:33:00 - [318] haha
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.18 02:25:00 - [319] Originally by: Farham Quote: you best switch off from training the forum whoring skill lvl5 and get some combat skills done. I am coming for you Farham. I am your endgameTwisted Evil Pick your poison, Thanatos or Revelation? No archon or moros? Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Oofig VanDoogan Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.18 02:27:00 - [320] Originally by: Farham Quote: you best switch off from training the forum whoring skill lvl5 and get some combat skills done. I am coming for you Farham. I am your endgameTwisted Evil Pick your poison, Thanatos or Revelation? That just happened. ---------------------------------------------- Full Circle.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.18 02:50:00 - [321] Not with me it wasnt. I was blowing up small ships at 600 who thought they were safe :) You have to know I have a pos gunner alt now don't ya? Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.18 02:52:00 - [322] Edited by: Graalum on 18/01/2008 02:52:57 Originally by: Farham Not with me it wasnt. I was blowing up small ships at 600 who thought they were safe :) You have to know I have a pos gunner alt now don't ya? i'm at your pos, tanking your guns edit: was, i'm home now. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:01:00 - [323] Originally by: Graalum i'm at your pos, tanking your guns edit: was, i'm home now. Don't make me start to like you guys... (apart from Oofig who I'd like even if he joined Smash)
Oofig VanDoogan Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:04:00 - [324] Me wuv you too Wes :D ---------------------------------------------- Full Circle.
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:07:00 - [325] Edited by: Nhoj Sllew on 18/01/2008 03:09:53 Originally by: Farham Not with me it wasnt. I was blowing up small ships at 600 who thought they were safe :) You have to know I have a pos gunner alt now don't ya? this won't stop me from calling you a weird quoting bugger I RP EWOK
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:17:00 - [326] Edited by: Graalum on 18/01/2008 03:21:58 Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: Graalum i'm at your pos, tanking your guns edit: was, i'm home now. Don't make me start to like you guys... (apart from Oofig who I'd like even if he joined Smash) we're wuvable and cuddly. and fluffy too. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:19:00 - [327] me and graalum snuggle every night btw farham i was just busting your balls, had no idea we were gonna go to your space tonight...... or did i I driks lot Originally by: Peoke this is nothing to do with dmc this is 1 of the 4 alliance under attack by red. the 4 weve sworn our lives to. SMASHKILL ATLAS CHAOS. SIMPLE
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:23:00 - [328] Originally by: dastommy79 me and graalum snuggle every night btw farham i was just busting your balls, had no idea we were gonna go to your space tonight...... or did i dastommy is the overmind Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:27:00 - [329] Quote: btw farham i was just busting your balls, had no idea we were gonna go to your space tonight...... Now Das and Graal, you know I would be a horrible host if I hadn't shot at you. Gral, I kept targeting you at the Pos And I would also be a horrible host if I didn't come to your homes in similar fashion and show you some of our newer members. Look for us in BWF and B-7...REAL soon. :) Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Tiberius Caesar Sothebys	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:31:00 - [330] I love the goons in this thread. It's the kind of blind loyality only a dog has.
Finedele Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:35:00 - [331] Edited by: Finedele on 18/01/2008 03:35:34 pathetic how few manners some people have. complaining about wrong typed words of some people, but ignoring the same on others, even more pathetic. this thread somehow makes clear what kind of persons some players are. dont know if this is good or bad. but I at least know with which people i'd like to do business of any kind, and with whom i do not. but well, i dont think only few cares about (i just posted to post this smily. i love it!)
Tiberius Caesar Sothebys	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:37:00 - [332] Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: dastommy79 oh god learn to read i did read, and the guy used a middleman and stll got screwed....now he looks even more like a tard....i cant believe theres anyone out there who thinks DMC should have even been given any sort of positive answer by a GM. If i get scammed in empire its my own fault, but if I get scammed in 0.0 selling a titan, i get what i want? How does that make any sort of sense? it is simple, when u have a friend GM, it`s not a problem u can have what ever u want. You know the story with T20 right ?? same stuff You know, coming form the complex exploiters, you really need to stfu.
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:41:00 - [333] Originally by: Tiberius Caesar You know, coming form the complex exploiters, you really need to stfu. Well aren't you just the cutest little pubbie Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Tiberius Caesar Sothebys	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:43:00 - [334] Originally by: Tavernier Vashi Dokumentu told me this story. GM gave back the titan. He said that bump was a bug. This means that if any of our supercapitals will ever get killed because of a bump (reminder that titans get bumped even by their own cyno) I will demand a reimbursement from CCP. If we donÆt get it than its ones again a proof of that CCP policies are far from neutral. Maybe CCP can make an official list of what bumps are legal and what are not and whoÆs petitions will be answered in 30 min and who's in 5 days, cause you know we are not psychic... PS. Too bad that Eve is now a carebear heaven, designed for miners and belt farmers. Maybe next patch will remove 0.0 space completely and replace all guns with mining lasers? WAIT WAIT WAIT, RA takes 150M isk per farmer to let them farm in cache. Anyone that flies thru cache see's one raven per system.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.18 03:52:00 - [335] Originally by: Farham Quote: btw farham i was just busting your balls, had no idea we were gonna go to your space tonight...... Now Das and Graal, you know I would be a horrible host if I hadn't shot at you. Gral, I kept targeting you at the Pos And I would also be a horrible host if I didn't come to your homes in similar fashion and show you some of our newer members. Look for us in BWF and B-7...REAL soon. :) I figured you would, thank god for 7 slot tanks tbh. I figured you would. BWF is like a bicycle, everyone gets a ride. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Tiberius Caesar Sothebys	Posted - 2008.01.18 04:01:00 - [336] Originally by: Daniel Grim Edited by: Daniel Grim on 14/01/2008 11:29:59 Originally by: Cruel Fox Moderated. Not constructive. Navigator It will be very pleasure to see cap-shipyards blow out under our fight, and all your toil will turn in dust. Have a nice trip to join anti-Russians smack company in empire. calm down You should go smartbomb some npcs and you'll feel all better.
Gorthox Minmatar Shadows of Valor Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.18 04:10:00 - [337] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=681079&page=24 Oh wait frist have to make that Intrepid Crossing over to go get my flood boots because **** is starting to get deep in hear!!!!!
Tiberius Caesar Sothebys	Posted - 2008.01.18 04:26:00 - [338] Originally by: RCI DeXTeR Edited by: RCI DeXTeR on 15/01/2008 00:27:02 After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap, after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, after the ebil laggers, after the cryolition, now we've got the ebil backstabbers. pretty much sums up your rep
Papa Digger OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.18 05:09:00 - [339] Originally by: RCI DeXTeR Edited by: RCI DeXTeR on 15/01/2008 00:27:02 After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap, after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, after the ebil laggers, after the cryolition, now we've got the ebil backstabbers. You forgot.. we eat childrens. And yes XiX = RA alts = SE alts = AAA alts = ET controling half of EVE ---- ex-CEO.
Vendi Neo Era	Posted - 2008.01.18 09:19:00 - [340] Edited by: Vendi on 18/01/2008 09:19:39 it's so funny to watch all these xxwhateverxx and RA peoples whine about game mechanics and sploiting!! please continue, it amuses me... ps. want some cheese to go with that..? ps2. im sure DMC will turn out to be the new BoB very shortly...
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.18 17:49:00 - [341] Originally by: Farham Quote: btw farham i was just busting your balls, had no idea we were gonna go to your space tonight...... Now Das and Graal, you know I would be a horrible host if I hadn't shot at you. Gral, I kept targeting you at the Pos And I would also be a horrible host if I didn't come to your homes in similar fashion and show you some of our newer members. Look for us in BWF and B-7...REAL soon. :) How polite of you Farham! We will be sure to welcome you and your new people when you come down for a beer or two! o7 gl and hf Wherever you go... There you are...
FireFox McProwler Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.19 00:52:00 - [342] I thought everything was legal till you got cought... AXE is looking for members!! Clicky for info.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.19 00:58:00 - [343] Originally by: Vendi Edited by: Vendi on 18/01/2008 09:19:39 it's so funny to watch all these xxwhateverxx and RA peoples whine about game mechanics and sploiting!! Oh man, you are so pathetic that even i laugh at you
Chomapuraku Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.19 01:24:00 - [344] hmmm... just out of curiosity, what were those two titans? which ones are they? i'm guessing they didn't come out of the pinata when RA popped it
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.19 02:49:00 - [345] Originally by: Chomapuraku hmmm... just out of curiosity, what were those two titans? which ones are they? i'm guessing they didn't come out of the pinata when RA popped it One was an Avatar, I know for certain.
Bladen Kerst Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations	Posted - 2008.01.19 22:45:00 - [346] Quote: Ask yourself this questions: 1. How many people have been scammed or lost assets in this game because of various "bugs" ? 2. How much in this game is not bugged at least in some way? 3. How long does it takes for a regular person to get an answer for a petition regarding reimbursement? And now think about it for a second he got his titan back in less than 30 minutes and GM never even asked any of us what happened simply took it away didnÆt even bother to write us anything... But GMs are fair and neutral right? So let's see what happened: You staked some of your reputation hoping to get a titan for free. While they had all bases covered, thanks to a friendly GM mod and you didn't know about it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess (in your perspective) it was worth a try especially if the claim that you don't care what other people think about you is true.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2008.01.20 08:03:00 - [347] Edited by: Estephania on 20/01/2008 08:04:06 Quote: Ask yourself this questions: 1. How many people have been scammed or lost assets in this game because of various "bugs" ? 2. How much in this game is not bugged at least in some way? 3. How long does it takes for a regular person to get an answer for a petition regarding reimbursement? And now think about it for a second he got his titan back in less than 30 minutes and GM never even asked any of us what happened simply took it away didnÆt even bother to write us anything... But GMs are fair and neutral right? 1. A lot. But many get reimbursed if the GMs think that their loss was indeed the result of sume buggy feature. 2. No one can compete with you, guys, when it comes to knowing what the bugs can do for you. 3. But that is not a regular petition. That is a petition about Titan (there's still no more than 10 of those in the game). Or you think that this petition should get the same priority as some guys' Griffin lost to lag in a remote low-sec system? Face the truth. You tried to sploit and were caught by a GM.
Knocturnal omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.20 11:08:00 - [348] Russians never use exploits... exploits are never in favor of russians (remeber the often spawning plexez^^) ... all dev's and gm's are against the russians ( russians alliances in game , not as a comunity.) F*ck Derek we got Xlop.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.20 11:38:00 - [349] Originally by: Ungdall So, what you're saying is, you used CCP as a means to fix what your incompetence got stolen? You didn't deserve to get that titan back, in fact, I don't think you deserve any of them if you would do something like that. Damn, your stupid. CCP don't return SuperCaps like they were mission ships. Of all the super-caps lost so far, not one has been returned, while almost all have been petitioned. If CCP gave it back, then an exploit must have been used. As RA are also building caps, i wouldn't be suprised at all if their Titan pilot - and you don't give a titan to a nobody in a corp, knew of this bug and decided to exploit it. If i was in CCP's shoes right now, i'd even ban that pilot and his alts, because he knew of the bug.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:20:00 - [350] Originally by: Setana Manoro If i was in CCP's shoes right now, i'd even ban that pilot and his alts, because he knew of the bug. Man, it isnt a bug. It's a freaking security feature. Pos shields bump ships without forcefield password.
Daviclond GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:21:00 - [351] Reading DMC threads is like going back in time two years ago when CAOD was filled with Southern Coalition posts all prefaced with "I'm not racist but,", finishing with some rant about logon trapping dishonourable exploiting Russians. They ignored it all then and took all your space and it's cute to see people think they'd care now vOv

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