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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:52:00 -
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This is all intended game mechanics. If a unpiloted ship has no PW or the wrong PW it is ejected from the POS. To avoid this, you board the ship.
If this had been a carrier, the GM would not have intervened. DMC got very lucky with the petition.
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bilaz
like the fact that gm's put pilot WITHOUT titan skill inside Avatar, while moving Vashi's alt in station 20+ jumps away 
Thats very bad if true. Infernal investigations.
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Jonas Vinthyn
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bilaz Point is we had no choice but to use this "bad" mechanic to steal a titan, since there are NO other way for pilot not from corp/ally who bild it to get inside titan. so it was hopeless from the start, but unfortunaly it was known only to gm's & dev's - otherwise we would have just blown it to peaces and keep the killmail.
even more if dmc manages to get a real pilot to evacuate titan and someone manages to kill it after boarding i expect it to be reimbursed since it will be same foul game mechanic that would allow that.
question is why OP waited like, 3 weeks after event to create this thread? maybe he has something to hide? like the fact that gm's put pilot WITHOUT titan skill inside Avatar, while moving Vashi's alt in station 20+ jumps away 
did you really just say that yes you tried to scam DMC and yes its a exploit that only GM's and Dev's knew about (and you which means you had dev help)? Worst PR ever. 
-Jonas My POS - POS Fitting and Fuel Calc
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hrin This is all intended game mechanics. If a unpiloted ship has no PW or the wrong PW it is ejected from the POS. To avoid this, you board the ship.
If this had been a carrier, the GM would not have intervened. DMC got very lucky with the petition.
That's definately not what the link provided by that TCF guy says, and I don't think that's how it's supposed to work either. The Titan was in a capital array. It is launched. It immediately shoots out of the POS. Are you really telling me that every ship built at a POS has had a maiden voyage like that? Winding up 200km from the POS? If that is the case CCP has really screwed the pooch with those mechanics.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:07:00 -
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Unless CCP changed something recently a lot of you are talking out of your ***. Ships launched in the fashion described will NEVER be pushed out by the forcefield by themselves due to a wrong password, these things are as neutral as a ship can be, and wouldn't be ejected until someone boarded it with the incorrect standings/faulty password. ________________________________________________ Currently training for "caldari overlord I"
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Bilaz
Minmatar Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn
Originally by: Bilaz Point is we had no choice but to use this "bad" mechanic to steal a titan, since there are NO other way for pilot not from corp/ally who bild it to get inside titan. so it was hopeless from the start, but unfortunaly it was known only to gm's & dev's - otherwise we would have just blown it to peaces and keep the killmail.
even more if dmc manages to get a real pilot to evacuate titan and someone manages to kill it after boarding i expect it to be reimbursed since it will be same foul game mechanic that would allow that.
question is why OP waited like, 3 weeks after event to create this thread? maybe he has something to hide? like the fact that gm's put pilot WITHOUT titan skill inside Avatar, while moving Vashi's alt in station 20+ jumps away 
did you really just say that yes you tried to scam DMC and yes its a exploit that only GM's and Dev's knew about (and you which means you had dev help)? Worst PR ever. 
-Jonas
i'm not pr'ing or something, just, u know, sharing information  we thought that its normal titan behavior(since we do have a titan and asked our RA, AAA, MC, BOB friends ) and from what Vashi said DMC guy knew about it too only dev's knew thats clearly not what supposed to be happening in eve everyday 
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BigWhale
Gallente TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 14/01/2008 15:08:53 EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent.
Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. Then you call it "exploiting".
You sir, have obviously never read the EULA. You should, you really should, then you will have enough knowledge to participate in debates like this.
Simply said, get a clue mister!
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Inosin
Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:49:00 -
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Again behavior of some people reminds me of this picture:
http://home.arcor.de/theevil/Eve/Everape.jpg
i cant belive with what a low mentality some people play this game and on top of that even blame the other players for being their victims. All Black/White all Wow Carebear Gms who are not with the mighty scam and pirate force? Ever heard of the word fundamentalism?
Sure we all fight each other and often strong emotions come with that, but after all every normal player respect even his foe as someone, who sit on a damn cheap and slow or fkn fast and new Pc System, lookin for some fun in a space game and every player with the slightest bit of manners act with that in mind. Scamming a titan or rob the whole Assets of corps or allys knowing that you destroy months of menhours work and playtime of many people is not cool its not even ok its just evil and shows the Reallife mentality of some players.
People who scam or using exploits with full intention, lets say people who intentionally try to destroy the gameexperience of all others if just themselves bennefit from it, should be banned imediatly and permanently from this game. But sure this is not possible people are just *******s, the only thing i can say for sure is that I! would never scam someone.
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: duckmonster on 14/01/2008 21:52:25 Man oh man. When I lost a ship to the password thing I get told its a feature.
If the same mechanic gives advantage to our side, its a fault.
Can't help but wonder.
DOCUMENT YOUR BLOODY GAME CCP -----------
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: BigWhale
Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 14/01/2008 15:08:53 EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent.
Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. Then you call it "exploiting".
You sir, have obviously never read the EULA. You should, you really should, then you will have enough knowledge to participate in debates like this.
Simply said, get a clue mister!
Did you have something to say on the subject, or are you just out to walk a bunch of alts? ...
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 14/01/2008 22:50:19
Originally by: Ki An That's definately not what the link provided by that TCF guy says, and I don't think that's how it's supposed to work either. The Titan was in a capital array. It is launched. It immediately shoots out of the POS. Are you really telling me that every ship built at a POS has had a maiden voyage like that? Winding up 200km from the POS? If that is the case CCP has really screwed the pooch with those mechanics.
Depending on how all the POS modules are aligned, it is certainly possible.
What the situation sounds to me is: - titan is launched from cap array - titan end up within another POS module or very close to it as a result - said POS module bumps titan far away
Supercaps have a very large hitbox, so they are very vulnerable to bumping either by other ships or POS modules.
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Taison
Originally by: Antonia Frak Edited by: Antonia Frak on 14/01/2008 19:29:36
Originally by: Ki An
The ship was NOT left unpiloted in space. It was in a capital array. The ship was launched and just bounced out of the POS.
If the titan was bounced from the pos unpiloted, then there must be a lapse of time when it was unpiloted inside the bubble. I guess your pilot launched it from the capital array by boarding it, then left the ship to give it to the buyer, at that precise moment the titan, if it hadn't any password, should bounce off the pos. Or something like that, I'm not sure, those POS mechanics are ****.
U know what the irony is? They did NOT have any pilot who could jump in this thing. So after the bump, that thing was supposed just to hang aroud the space as there was no way they could bring it back to dock. Thats the irony! If XiX woldnt have boarded it - it would just hang out in space as there was no pilot for it from the sellers site!!! Even not bumped away - the titan would hang at the pos without a pilot.
Which...(ironically?) is way more acceptible than having it jet way outside the POS shields to be scooped up by anyone with out the need for a POS password, being a member of the POS-owning entity or having a hostile force come in, put the pos in reinforced, show up (days?) later to (possibly?) kill the POS and board the titan.
Oh, the irony.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |

Arnaud d'Eoste
Gobshyte Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mc Leech Actually this was all XIX not RA and was a beautiful scam planed well, done well and successful. Too bad this is now no longer Eve online its now WoW in space and scams are now being fixed by GMs. Soon we will all sit around an asteroid hold hands and sing tree huggers songs.
This game use to be all controlled by players, scams where encouraged, piracy was encouraged but I guess they recruited some ex-WoW GM's so now its becoming a carebear game.
Everything was done within game mechanics, it was owner’s stupidity that caused the loss of the titan, GM interference should have gotten him fired on the spot but I guess internal affairs are just as real as tooth fairy.
Boohoohoo my titan scam failed 
So your entertainment in this game is at the cost of someone else's? 
Haaa, I love a freshly brewn cup of irony in the morning, oh yes I do.
<--AdE
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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Zorland on 14/01/2008 23:46:23 The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian (RA,UNL,Legion,UR etc) because even though he is blue to you, and you paid for protection, and he placed a bid at online auction as highest bidder, and you trust him and consider him a friend, he will still try to abuse game mechanics and take your stuff. Worst then a corp thief tbh, and then they call someone a hyena....
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xRazoRx
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Taison They launched the ship with the knowlege of that noone in their alliance actually could board it.
fixed and compressed.
Natural selection is the name of the game - stupid and/or weak return to empire.
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rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian
Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets.
We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful ôonly-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAPö cerebears.
If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend?
See you on the battlefield.
P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;)
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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: rgreat ...i wish there was no empire space at all...
and Freedom of Speech? 
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Taison And what? They launched the ship with the nowlege noone actualu could board it. Imagine after the launch - XiX would put the POS into reinforced. and then destroy it and just board the ship. they launched the ship with the knowlege only XiX could board it at this time. That was the actual stupidity
Well, let's say CCP liked DMC's stupidity enough to give them back the thing so nobody can't say anything... Now the question is how it came here and we have a pretty good enigma  2isk
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 15/01/2008 00:27:43
Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 15/01/2008 00:22:49
Originally by: rgreat
Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian
Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets.
We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful ôonly-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAPö cerebears.
If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend?
See you on the battlefield.
P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;)
How can one distinguish if one is just friend or REAL friend? Is one your REAL friend when he pays for protection, but then is friend only (not REAL) when he just made two titans you want so much?
Its easy a real friend is when they do not have the oportunity to shaft them but as soon as the oportunity to make a bit of isk or RA no longer benifit from them or maybe another more profitable ally is about then they are no longer real friends.
Pretty much like most alliance politics in eve including bob tbqfh.
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RCI DeXTeR
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: RCI DeXTeR on 15/01/2008 00:27:02 After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap, after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, after the ebil laggers, after the cryolition, now we've got the ebil backstabbers. 
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rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 15/01/2008 00:34:01
Originally by: Zorland How can one distinguish if one is just friend or REAL friend? Is one your REAL friend when he pays for protection, but then is friend only (not REAL) when he just made two titans you want so much?
LoL.
You can't buy friendship or trust with ISKs. It will never work.
Real friends never demand anything in return. They just help each other.
Sad people...Thats is why so many fail alliances around.
Originally by: RCI DeXTeR Edited by: RCI DeXTeR on 15/01/2008 00:27:02 After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap, after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, after the ebil laggers, after the cryolition, now we've got the ebil backstabbers. 
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:31:00 -
[202]
Originally by: marakor Hey look at me I copy-paste a goon sig !!
You're not a Goon, Marakor. 2isk
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 15/01/2008 00:36:49
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: marakor Hey look at me I copy-paste a goon sig !!
Hey look at me im gonna state and post the obvious
WOW did you figure that out all by yourself?.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: RCI DeXTeR Edited by: RCI DeXTeR on 15/01/2008 00:27:02 After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap, after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, after the ebil laggers, after the cryolition, now we've got the ebil backstabbers. 
You forgot goon-huggers and frog-friends :) 2isk
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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zorland on 15/01/2008 00:42:11
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 15/01/2008 00:27:43
Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 15/01/2008 00:22:49
Originally by: rgreat
Originally by: Zorland The moral of the story is: never trust a Russian
Yes, please. Just make us red already. I want more targets.
We (Russians) don't really care about people who are not our friends. Real friends, not some useless or even harmful ôonly-want-ISK-wannabe-a-NAPö cerebears.
If you even not think of us as friends - you can't expect anything for nothing. Simple business is done as long it is beneficial to RA. If it is not - deal is over. Simple as that. Is that really that hard to comprehend?
See you on the battlefield.
P.S. Hello to all alts. Scared? Good. ;)
How can one distinguish if one is just friend or REAL friend? Is one your REAL friend when he pays for protection, but then is friend only (not REAL) when he just made two titans you want so much?
Its easy a real friend is when they do not have the oportunity to shaft them but as soon as the oportunity to make a bit of isk or RA no longer benifit from them or maybe another more profitable ally is about then they are no longer real friends.
Pretty much like most alliance politics in eve including bob tbqfh.
That's fine with me, as long as they get of the high horse and stop acting like they are better then the rest. Eighty percent of EVE is attacking BOB and acussing them for the same stuff others (including Reds) do all the time. This thread just proved that.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 15/01/2008 00:36:49
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: marakor Hey look at me I copy-paste a goon sig !!
Hey look at me im gonna state and post the obvious
Hey look at me, my sig will be removed tomorow !
Haha 2isk
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zorland
That's fine with me, as long as they get of the high horse and stop acting like they are better then the rest. Eighty perecent of EVE is attacking BOB and acussing them for the same stuff others (including Reds) do all the time. This thread just proved that.
The differance is that bob was more successful at it than most but then as i read in another thread bob made excuses about their reasons for shafting ppl and now RA/GOON and the rest are, its just swings and roundabouts buddy if your smart you will create a alt and point this out as often as possable its gr8 fun.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Razin on 15/01/2008 00:56:41
Originally by: Zorland How can one distinguish if one is just friend or REAL friend? Is one your REAL friend when he pays for protection, but then is friend only (not REAL) when he just made two titans you want so much?
Quoting a loser who doesn't know the difference between 'just friends' and real friends. Sad. ...
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Airata
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Inosin
People who scam or using exploits with full intention, lets say people who intentionally try to destroy the gameexperience of all others if just themselves bennefit from it, should be banned imediatly and permanently from this game. But sure this is not possible people are just *******s, the only thing i can say for sure is that I! would never scam someone.
And who cares about you?  Some of the most brilliant episodes in EVEs history were thought out scams. And this what makes EVE so great. Strong people survive, stupid people cry
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Inosin
Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.15 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Inosin on 15/01/2008 01:44:33
Quote: Strong people survive, stupid people cry
And this is an excuse for every low behavior?? Srry but there are red lines some people see them, some cant see them and some want not.
Fortunatly CCP are showing us at least some of this lines for the onesnot willing to play fair. Would you steal money from the bank if you play Monopoly with you parents and your girlfriend and say "just cry the strong survive" ?
Scamming,Cheating,OutofgameSpying,Exploiting,Empiresuicideganking are all things much of eveplayer (thank god) would never do. And THEY are weak? I think its the other way round. Ever heard of categorical imperative?
But sure i am stupid and cryin and weak , because i like it if some more people have fun in this game than just me. I was never scammed but i feel sad for the victims that makes me a victim too, dosnt it?
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