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Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:16:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote:Ntrails wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:lol why even bother posting a "Vote for Mittens" thread? The goons will vote for him. There are enough goons for him to win. Others might vote for him just to have someone to keep making fun of... but at the end of the day, this is really a moot point. Mittens WILL win because the goons WILL vote for him.
There was an interesting point made on eve radio last night. Of the 5.something thousand votes the mittani received, only about 1700 came from goons and their accounts. We do a clever forums based vote allocation you see, and part of being provided with links to our candidate (Vile rat or mittani) also runs an exit poll on how many accounts you are voting with. Assume that these exit poll numbers are a bit wrong, goons are really ******* dumb, so I could happily accept that up to 2.5k votes for Mittens were from goons. That means that the majority of his votes came from outside his block, and I believe it would have been enough to have seen him on the council, as a member, without a single goon vote. Vote for Mittens threads exist because there are a bunch of undecided voters to be fought over and he actually cares about more than just securing a free trip to Iceland. This alone should tell you that he is a better candidate than many of his opponents. Though when you consider the number of alts goon might have in play (or padded accounts for voting) and that there are over 700k+ valid subscribed accounts it really kind of makes those figures quite indeterminate of complete player opinion. Especially when you look at that representation as being less than 1 percent of all accounts. Shows the level of interest afforded to CSM perhaps more than player approval of Goons, which we know will have been actively rallied to vote. ahahaha the npc alt thinks that you can vote once per character instead of once per account wow even for an altposter that's just sad
Oops that was a serious faux pas. Apologies for reading that stat too quickly.
Fair enough, considering the maximum number of characters per account is 3. Lets change the appropriate representative figure. It now suggests at best a representation of about 2.2 percent.
I think this still validates the point I made quite nicely.
*exits stage left, with bright red cheeks to find a coffee pot* |

Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:27:00 -
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You still miss the point. The exit polls represent the numbers of accounts which goons voted with, and I was generous to the contrarian view about how inaccurate they might be. My first point was that last election he gained more votes from non-goon accounts than from goons, and that the non-goon votes alone were enough to elect him. Which implies any dismissal of him as a bloc candidate is unwise.
My other point was that this thread exists because dear leader is pursuing more votes than merely the minimum number needed for a free trip to Iceland. He is engaging with sections of the player community for no reason beyond that of a politician aiming to claim a mandate, a strong following, that can be leveraged in negotiations.
Questions about the legitimacy of a CSM voted in by say 10% of all accounts are best directed to CCP, but it is not a large task to vote. It is not a large task to follow the links on the login screen informing you about the CSM elections/meetings/minutes etc. If a player is not doing so, well decisions are made by those who show up. I would love to see more high sec corps getting their members mobilised, a motd in all NPC corp chats, and other measures to up the participation. But that is irrelevant to this post and this candidate, as it is a reflection on process |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:35:00 -
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It's also a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views.
Be interesting to see if apathy was alleviated how the situation would change.
But suffice to say, the so called importance of a mandate of the CSM and chair that the Mittani likes to express can easily be shown as "hype" when you see the actual figures. |

Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:47:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote:It's also a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views.
Be interesting to see if apathy was alleviated how the situation would change.
But suffice to say, the so called importance of a mandate of the CSM and chair that the Mittani likes to express can easily be shown as "hype" when you see the actual figures.
It is not a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views.
It might be a reflection on how important players view the CSM to be?
A relative mandate is all that matters. When 30% of the country bother to vote, and 17% of those create a majoriy in parliament, the mandate is clear. Out of all the ******* who voted, we got the most. A politician attempts to engage and motivate people to become his own followers to get a bigger share of the people who vote. If I convince 5% more to vote at all, then I gain a massive proportion of the final tally. Thus I attempt to engage.
It is in every candidates best interest to engage with as many previous non voters as possible (though stealing votes from your opponents is slightly better), in terms of fighting apathy. There is also an onus on CCP to do more. I would be interested to see the % of active accounts with even a single post on these forums. Perhaps a whole histogram. Because there will always be a bunch of players who don't want to post, who don't want to engage, and don't want to do anything except play with their internet spaceships. I figure that is perfectly reasonable too.
But again, you are attacking a single candidate when it is a question of process. |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:15:00 -
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Ntrails wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote:It's also a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views.
Be interesting to see if apathy was alleviated how the situation would change.
But suffice to say, the so called importance of a mandate of the CSM and chair that the Mittani likes to express can easily be shown as "hype" when you see the actual figures. It is not a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views. It might be a reflection on how important players view the CSM to be? A relative mandate is all that matters. When 30% of the country bother to vote, and 17% of those create a majoriy in parliament, the mandate is clear. Out of all the ******* who voted, we got the most. A politician attempts to engage and motivate people to become his own followers to get a bigger share of the people who vote. If I convince 5% more to vote at all, then I gain a massive proportion of the final tally. Thus I attempt to engage. It is in every candidates best interest to engage with as many previous non voters as possible (though stealing votes from your opponents is slightly better), in terms of fighting apathy. There is also an onus on CCP to do more. I would be interested to see the % of active accounts with even a single post on these forums. Perhaps a whole histogram. Because there will always be a bunch of players who don't want to post, who don't want to engage, and don't want to do anything except play with their internet spaceships. I figure that is perfectly reasonable too. But again, you are attacking a single candidate when it is a question of process.
I too agree that flying spaceships in a spaceships game is important.
I'm not attacking anyone, I'm debating a point you originally made. I would see that more as a defence of truth against fabricated delussional representation than a deliberate attack of a candidate.
Fact is according to your own supplied voting figures. The Mittani holds about 2.2 percent representation of accounts, as such he cannot irrefutably claim to represent the entire playerbase, far from in fact.
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Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:44:00 -
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It is a mandate of x% of the active or engaged playerbase, where the playerbase is seen as those who voted. This is how real world politicians will represent themselves as well, since only the people who vote are relevant to the proceedings.
When it comes down to it, representing more of the playerbase than anyone else, both in that election and historically, by sheer numbers and by the proportion of both voters and accounts, counts as irrefutably representing the playerbase within the confines of this electoral debate. If you cannot understand that, there is nothing more I can do to enlighten you. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1761
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Posted - 2012.03.04 04:34:00 -
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Mikalia Sunstorm wrote:Weaselior wrote: While I regret that a frank exchange of ideas has reduced you to this state, I do appreciate your honesty in laying bare the real differences between The Mittani and other competitors, such as your preferred candidate Hans. People who support The Mittani are well-educated goodposters who coherently and intelligently discuss the important issues and work with all parties in eve willing to cross the lines that divide us to work as one to make EVE better. And, while it would be unfair to tar Hans himself as having written such a post, we must keep in mind the character of poster he has attracted, who would post such vitrol and hate, while freely and openly stating that you are unable and unwilling to back up your preferred candidate with calm, coherent reasoning.
The CSM is a body that must work together with people of opposing viewpoints, and it is clear The Mittani has had a stellar track record in this regard. In contrast, we must note the tribalist nature of the opposition where candidates are supported not on their own merits, but merely as "the anti-goon". And, when necessary, the CSM must be willing to openly and coherently explain why ideas are flawed and unworkable. Goons, The Mittani, and The Mittani supporters are able to coherently do this without needing to resort to petty name-calling. Those opposing The Mittani, well, we need only look at the above post.
Oh my God, you are... such.A pompous.Ass!I mean, really! Sanctimonious gas-bag, get the f over yourself, already. Pro-Tip: Verbosity works better if used sparingly. Overuse of same just makes you look like a pretentious fool--Or even more so, in your case.
Mission accomplished.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2550
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Posted - 2012.03.04 05:14:00 -
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Mikalia Sunstorm wrote: Pro-Tip:
Verbosity works better if used sparingly. Overuse of same just makes you look like a pretentious fool--Or even more so, in your case.
through science, we can determine that i am 850 times better at posting than you are
1275 if we ignore the like i gave you
i believe i will retain my current posting style but i appreciate the input |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.04 05:27:00 -
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Ntrails wrote:It is a mandate of x% of the active or engaged playerbase, where the playerbase is seen as those who voted. This is how real world politicians will represent themselves as well, since only the people who vote are relevant to the proceedings.
When it comes down to it, representing more of the playerbase than anyone else, both in that election and historically, by sheer numbers and by the proportion of both voters and accounts, counts as irrefutably representing the playerbase within the confines of this electoral debate. If you cannot understand that, there is nothing more I can do to enlighten you.
It represents a confidence from the electorate not the playerbase.
The fact that the playerbase is apathetic to the CSM process does not or should not confer confidence to the political emphasis however. It is a lack of confidence if anything. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2550
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Posted - 2012.03.04 05:33:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote:Ntrails wrote:It is a mandate of x% of the active or engaged playerbase, where the playerbase is seen as those who voted. This is how real world politicians will represent themselves as well, since only the people who vote are relevant to the proceedings.
When it comes down to it, representing more of the playerbase than anyone else, both in that election and historically, by sheer numbers and by the proportion of both voters and accounts, counts as irrefutably representing the playerbase within the confines of this electoral debate. If you cannot understand that, there is nothing more I can do to enlighten you. It represents a confidence from the electorate not the playerbase. The fact that the playerbase is apathetic to the CSM process does not or should not confer confidence to the political emphasis however. It is a lack of confidence if anything. hello, my statistics-impaired friend
given the magnitude of the mittani's victory, and the amount of votes cast, the mittani's mandate is about as strong as one can get; the amount of votes cast makes the results accurate for a confidence interval of 1% with 99% confidence level; in other words, a stronger endorsement than most scientific studies
in other words, the polling of the playerbase done through the CSM votes indicates to a higher degree of statistical certainty that The Mittani represents the people of EVE than studies you need to get a cancer drug FDA approval |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.04 05:41:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote:Ntrails wrote:It is a mandate of x% of the active or engaged playerbase, where the playerbase is seen as those who voted. This is how real world politicians will represent themselves as well, since only the people who vote are relevant to the proceedings.
When it comes down to it, representing more of the playerbase than anyone else, both in that election and historically, by sheer numbers and by the proportion of both voters and accounts, counts as irrefutably representing the playerbase within the confines of this electoral debate. If you cannot understand that, there is nothing more I can do to enlighten you. It represents a confidence from the electorate not the playerbase. The fact that the playerbase is apathetic to the CSM process does not or should not confer confidence to the political emphasis however. It is a lack of confidence if anything. hello, my statistics-impaired friend given the magnitude of the mittani's victory, and the amount of votes cast, the mittani's mandate is about as strong as one can get; the amount of votes cast makes the results accurate for a confidence interval of 1% with 99% confidence level; in other words, a stronger endorsement than most scientific studies in other words, the polling of the playerbase done through the CSM votes indicates to a higher degree of statistical certainty that The Mittani represents the people of EVE than studies you need to get a cancer drug FDA approval
What has FDA scientific approval got to do with EvE spaceships and CSM candidates?
At best shouldn't you be comparing it to presidential candidacies, senate, parliamentary or other democratic representation of individuals representing constituancies? |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.03.04 08:53:00 -
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We love the FDA they approve all sorts of chemicals that are good for us.
At least the EVE counterpart lets us get accurate labeling of all boosters. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2554
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Posted - 2012.03.04 15:14:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote: What has FDA scientific approval got to do with EvE spaceships and CSM candidates?
At best shouldn't you be comparing it to presidential candidacies, senate, parliamentary or other democratic representation of individuals representing constituancies?
I am, of course, referring to statistics, and the statistical meaning of The Mittani's landslide victory and how sure we can be that it represents the will of EVE Players. Given the landslide nature of his victory, and the number of votes cast relative to the number of voters, we can deduce how likely it is that the results accurately represent a now undeniable fact: The Mittani is considered by EVE players to be the best representative for EVE players. |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.04 15:18:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote: What has FDA scientific approval got to do with EvE spaceships and CSM candidates?
At best shouldn't you be comparing it to presidential candidacies, senate, parliamentary or other democratic representation of individuals representing constituancies?
I am, of course, referring to statistics, and the statistical meaning of The Mittani's landslide victory and how sure we can be that it represents the will of EVE Players. Given the landslide nature of his victory, and the number of votes cast relative to the number of voters, we can deduce how likely it is that the results accurately represent a now undeniable fact: The Mittani is considered by EVE players to be the best representative for EVE players.
Interesting that you naturally assume direct correlation of hidden opinion. I would say you need hard evidence to prove a trend and not speculation. As I can easily also use an alternative crystal ball to prove the opposite according to your application of statistical theory. Especially when we a looking at a very low sample.  |

Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
4
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Posted - 2012.03.04 15:21:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.
As an aside, using the "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein F++hrer" pattern, probably not the best idea.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
246
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:20:00 -
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Vincent VanDamme wrote:Weaselior wrote: One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.
As an aside, using the "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein F++hrer" pattern, probably not the best idea.
^^^^This.
Just sayin' 
In irae, veritas. |

Tyrion Struan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:19:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Vincent VanDamme wrote:Weaselior wrote: One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.
As an aside, using the "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein F++hrer" pattern, probably not the best idea. ^^^^This. Just sayin' 
You'd do well to find anything sloganlike that Goering did not fiddle with something along the lines of. But typical of our beloved leader would perhaps be "Where there's a problem, there's a man. No man. No problem." |

Bliswonowon
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:32:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Vincent VanDamme wrote:Weaselior wrote: One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.
As an aside, using the "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein F++hrer" pattern, probably not the best idea. ^^^^This. Just sayin' 
It's an attempt to attract ev0ke voters. |

Hideioshi Nagato
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:43:00 -
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Is this another goonswarm scam ? |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2556
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:38:00 -
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It is now time to vote for the Chairman, please use this link to express your support for The Mittani: http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=438 |

Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
22
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:49:00 -
[411] - Quote
fyp |

Bio Quarkus
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:04:00 -
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Tetragammatron Prime wrote:
beware, that's a link for riverni |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
475
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:07:00 -
[413] - Quote
^ its too late, after accidently clicking the link, I couldn't escape riverini's the gravity well. Only way to escape is voting then having next screen come up. disorientating |

Win Sui
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:04:00 -
[414] - Quote
In a sandbox you probably want the kids who make the most castles. Amusement parks lay elsewhere. |

Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:23:00 -
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We hit you because we love you |

asidburn Enaka
Alpha Arms and Manufacturing BROTHERHOOD OF DESTRUCTION
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 08:54:00 -
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i just want to let everyone know about this scammer claming to be giving plex for votes dont be caught falling for this scam vote aganist darius III member of interstellar eXodus {IE-EX} they are scaming people pass the word on to everyone you can and vote aganist these undeserving jerks here is a copy of the chat log as proof of there unworthy actions!!!!!!!!
asidburn Enaka > what do i need to do Darius III > http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 go there Darius III > vote for me then paste the message you got after vote cast into this chat asidburn Enaka > your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation. Darius III > Thanks man Darius III > that concludes our business Darius III > Fly safe asidburn Enaka > and what about the contract asidburn Enaka > i will have my alliance vote aganist you about 250 people asidburn Enaka > and then where will you be asidburn Enaka > send me the contract and i will have them vote for you asidburn Enaka > this is what we call a test of charecture Darius III > Have them vote against me Darius III > Sorry for the ssam Darius III > But I wouldnt sleep at night if I didnt do everything in my power to make syure that Goons dont ruin this CSM asidburn Enaka > your an idiot all your going to do is send more votes to the goons Darius III > not really Darius III > Goons will win chairman nbo matetr what, doesnt matter Darius III > nothing can stop them Darius III > and thats a real shame asidburn Enaka > well you just lost 243 votes asidburn Enaka > got 1 lost 243 Darius III > Didnt have them anyway Darius III > didnt lose anything Darius III > Just please dont make forum post about me, it would ruin my campaign asidburn Enaka > not to mentone att the isk spam bans you r about to get asidburn Enaka > too late asidburn Enaka > and i just copyed this conv asidburn Enaka > so i can post Darius III > You wouldnt dare do it Darius III > You too lazy anyway Darius III > I dont have a thing to worry about asidburn Enaka > haha i play eve 8 hrs a day and im retired all i have is time Darius III > no lazy bones like you would waste their time. LOL so much for your empty threats LOL
rember i dont care who you vote for just dont voter for the |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
421
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Posted - 2012.03.08 10:11:00 -
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asidburn Enaka wrote:i just want to let everyone know about this scammer claming to be giving plex for votes dont be caught falling for this scam vote aganist darius III member of interstellar eXodus {IE-EX} they are scaming people pass the word on to everyone you can and vote aganist these undeserving jerks here is a copy of the chat log as proof of there unworthy actions!!!!!!!!
Yes, D3 is running on the 'Scamming is good' platform, everyone knows this, he got on the CSM the same way last year. No need to dirty up this thread with it.
Also, FYI, posting chatlogs is a violation of the rules, you might want to edit that out and post a link to a page with the chat on it  Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2813
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:45:00 -
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the mittani: the thinking man's candidate |

Grumpy Owly
331
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:11:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:the mittani: the thinking man's candidate
I thought about it and still concluded the mittani is an idiot. Thank you for letting us have the opportunity to think about a candidate so specifically.
Especially one who has serious limitiations and could never be considered as a renaissance man.
Who even has a problem understanding notable renaissance history and yet claiming to do so with obvious ignorance:
Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2814
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:16:00 -
[420] - Quote
I daresay my friend, you seem to be quoting some dimwitted fellow who got utterly owned on how to use a dictionary because it did not know the meaning of machivellian. I might suggest you pick more reliable sources that will not send the people you link them into hysterics over what an idiot your source is. |
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