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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2266
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:07:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote: hi,
we've been campaigning for a tech nerf long before our enemies ever held a substantial amount of it
even if you're right, which you're not, the motivation is irrelevant because tech IS imbalanced, moron
Got any proof, Moron? My friend, I understand your affliction. Being out of the loop, not knowing what is going on in the EVE universe can be frustrating. But reading en24 is a cure worse than the disease, you wind up posting like, well, this. |
Ai Shun
288
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:10:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:I guess the burden of proof must only apply to those that question your real motivations, and not you that make these claims. Too funny.
Why don't you prove your initial assertion? If you do that; I'll happily dig through the forum archives for the Goons and find you the proof of Andski's statements if it exists.
But, you started out with the paranoid claims.
Now prove them. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2124
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:10:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote: hi,
we've been campaigning for a tech nerf long before our enemies ever held a substantial amount of it
even if you're right, which you're not, the motivation is irrelevant because tech IS imbalanced, moron
Got any proof, Moron? i'm not going to dig through pages of forum archives for you when you're the one asserting some bullshit tinfoil theory about the ~real motivation~ behind our campaign to nerf technetium also your supposed motivation makes absolutely no sense I guess the burden of proof must only apply to those that question your real motivations, and not you that make these claims. Too funny.
You're correct, the burden of proof does not lie with those who question your real motivations. It lies with those who do that and assert an ulterior motive. yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
379
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:10:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: My friend, I understand your affliction. Being out of the loop, not knowing what is going on in the EVE universe can be frustrating. But reading en24 is a cure worse than the disease, you wind up posting like, well, this.
Ah the old "belittle your opponent instead of answering the question" trick. Nicely done.
You should be a politician. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2124
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:16:00 -
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we get it, the mean goonies touched you in a bad place and you're bitter about it
let's face it though your assertions make no sense yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
379
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:18:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:I guess the burden of proof must only apply to those that question your real motivations, and not you that make these claims. Too funny. Why don't you prove your initial assertion? If you do that; I'll happily dig through the forum archives for the Goons and find you the proof of Andski's statements if it exists. But, you started out with the paranoid claims. Now prove them.
Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.
I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.
But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
379
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:we get it, the mean goonies touched you in a bad place and you're bitter about it
let's face it though your assertions make no sense
Actually Goons have never touched me anywhere. I never dealt with you in game. I am just sick of your god damn propaganda and metagaming at a level which is supposed to be neutral. The CSM. |
Cipher Jones
313
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:22:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Nothing in the world is more pathetic than a man giving another man a verbal blowjob. Ask yourselves, when you're choosing who to vote for: who do you wish to align yourself with? The Cipher Jones of the world, bitter, alone, and resentful, offering nothing but badposting when the hand of friendship is extended? Or do you wish to align yourselves with The Mittani, the King of Space, who is offering you a chance to participate in making highsec a better place to graze happily, with nary a bot to be seen?
Bitter, alone, and resentful without a **** in my mouth. And I'm not running against him, so no need for you to stop rubbing his balls to type anymore.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Ai Shun
288
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:23:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.
I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.
But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth.
Bullshit. If the data is there; providing it will prove the case irrespective of your bias. I think you're just looking for a cop-out. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
379
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:25:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:
Bullshit. If the data is there; providing it will prove the case irrespective of your bias. I think you're just looking for a cop-out.
You really think the Goon propaganda machine would treat my results an unbiased do you?
Oh god.
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
642
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:25:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:Well then The Mittani can come tell us himself instead of sending a messenger. I care not for your words, let me hear his.
Why yes i did just read the 1st line and go straight to reply
Look at me I comment blindly without actually reading the post.
(Well, I actually do this, but when I do , I don't intend to be taken seriously.)
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
642
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:26:00 -
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It's quite simple really; The Mittani is a competent, intelligent man. He is Plato's Philosopher King (of Space). Who he plays in this internet spaceship game is of no relevance; in the end, he can see when something makes no sense from a balance standpoint, even if his alliance profits from it.
Vote for the one sane Philosopher King Of Space.
Vote for The Mittani
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2266
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:27:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:we get it, the mean goonies touched you in a bad place and you're bitter about it
let's face it though your assertions make no sense Actually Goons have never touched me anywhere. I never dealt with you in game. I am just sick of your god damn propaganda and metagaming at a level which are supposed to be neutral. The CSM. This is why I have posted this thread! We have more in common than you realize. True, given the chance, we will happily rip everything you own in-game to shreads, but that is merely a part of our nature. The other part is that we wish to make you fat and happy in the meantime, because what good is it to be a lion with no prey? We, you and I, have similar interests when it comes to the CSM and that is why we must work together. |
Ai Shun
288
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:27:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:You really think the Goon propaganda machine would treat my results an unbiased do you?
No, but I would. And the other, non-Goon forum posters would (possibly) do so. I am asking you to prove your assertion; because it has an impact on the CSM elections if what you say is true.
So simply put.
Do you care enough to actually put up the proof of something that has an impact on the CSM, the health of EVE Online and so forth or are you just making slanderous noises for no reason?
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Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
133
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:31:00 -
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Because I believe people staying in a seat of power. Whether that be by ability to influence change or just to be heard. I will be voting someone other than mittani as CSM leader. You have some good ideas and everyone loves your pompous demeanor. But change is the driving force of evolution. So thank you for your help so far. Good luck in the polls. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" Enter a Heroic Era Today |
Marco Bartoli
The Unknown Bar and Pub
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:33:00 -
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But Mittens has already got the chairman vote locked up. Why should I vote for him instead of someone like say, Trebor or Lyris, who might actually need the votes? |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
642
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:34:00 -
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Marco Bartoli wrote:But Mittens has already got the chairman vote locked up. Why should I vote for him instead of someone like say, Trebor or Lyris, who might actually need the votes?
To give Him a more powerful mandate. CCP will listen to Him more, and thus the game will be made better.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
344
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:46:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:we get it, the mean goonies touched you in a bad place and you're bitter about it
let's face it though your assertions make no sense Actually Goons have never touched me anywhere. I never dealt with you in game. I am just sick of your god damn propaganda and metagaming at a level which are supposed to be neutral. The CSM. This is why I have posted this thread! We have more in common than you realize. True, given the chance, we will happily rip everything you own in-game to shreads, but that is merely a part of our nature. The other part is that we wish to make you fat and happy in the meantime, because what good is it to be a lion with no prey? We, you and I, have similar interests when it comes to the CSM and that is why we must work together.
Must... resist.... urge... to pay.... security deposit.... |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:53:00 -
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The full title is actually His Excellency, Chairman for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor The Mittani, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Tech of Moons and POCOs of the Planets and Rats of the Anomalies and Thrice Conqueror of the BOB in General and Branch in Particular.
wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
643
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:55:00 -
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He is a few thousand votes away from God-Emperor of Mankind
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2126
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:56:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.
I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.
But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth.
fyi, there is way more tech in venal than in some northern sov regions combined
also, i pity you if you take anything on kugu with more than a grain of salt
and if you think that the moon data on dotlan is anywhere near accurate, i have a bridgetitan to sell you yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
379
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Posted - 2012.02.21 03:31:00 -
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Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.
I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.
But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth. fyi, there is way more tech in venal than in some northern sov regions combined also, i pity you if you take anything on kugu with more than a grain of salt and if you think that the moon data on dotlan is anywhere near accurate, i have a bridgetitan to sell you
getting nervous allready are you? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2126
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Posted - 2012.02.21 03:35:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.
I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.
But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth. fyi, there is way more tech in venal than in some northern sov regions combined also, i pity you if you take anything on kugu with more than a grain of salt and if you think that the moon data on dotlan is anywhere near accurate, i have a bridgetitan to sell you getting nervous allready are you?
my post clearly showed no end of anxiety from what is obviously my impending defeat to well-known good poster Reilly Duvolle, the roleplayer who has horrible sources and draws conclusions without evidence
now stop dodging my question because you look dumb, or at least admit that I cornered you yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
379
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Posted - 2012.02.21 03:43:00 -
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Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.
I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.
But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth. fyi, there is way more tech in venal than in some northern sov regions combined also, i pity you if you take anything on kugu with more than a grain of salt and if you think that the moon data on dotlan is anywhere near accurate, i have a bridgetitan to sell you getting nervous allready are you? my post clearly showed no end of anxiety from what is obviously my impending defeat to well-known good poster Reilly Duvolle, the roleplayer who has horrible sources and draws conclusions without evidence now stop dodging my question because you look dumb, or at least admit that I cornered you
What I see is a Goon trying to discredit any source an investigator without access to internal alliance documents from either side can use to determine fact within reason. Thus discrediting any conclusion before it is even made public. |
Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
53
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Posted - 2012.02.21 03:51:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Every goon is going to blindly vote for The Mittani simply because he is thier leader.
People actually believe this.
So here's a secret. In Test, we voted on who we wanted our candidate to be. Once Dovi won, our alliance leadership recommended that everyone vote for him. But we can vote for whomever we choose.
Now, don't get me wrong. Dovi is an awesome fellow and will make a damn fine CSM member.
But I don't have to vote for him. Just like no one in GSF has to vote for Mittens.
In fact, if Dovi weren't running, I would vote for Mittens. Not out of purported mindless loyalty to the CFC or GSF in particular, but because he knows his **** and gets things done.
I realize it's hard to accept that the horrible null-sec blocs aren't just following orders like complacent sheep. It may not have even occured to you that we vote for our candidates because we like them and we support what they stand for.
But by all means, continue to spew misinformation and bile in your apoplectic rage. |
Valentyn3
38
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Posted - 2012.02.21 03:55:00 -
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Jonathan Malcom wrote:
But by all means, continue to spew misinformation and bile in your apoplectic rage.
I would but my doctor tells me no more bile spewing 'till the transplant takes hold. I used to be a Blade Runner like you, then I took an android to the knee... |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.02.21 03:57:00 -
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I'll vote for whomever wants the worthless title the least. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2272
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Posted - 2012.02.21 03:58:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote: What I see is a Goon trying to discredit any source an investigator without access to internal alliance documents from either side can use to determine fact within reason. Thus discrediting any conclusion before it is even made public.
My friend, regrettably no alliance is going to provide technetium moon data to rebut unsubstantiated allegations. Likewise, I cannot release our data, besides the public figure that Goonswarm owns 67 technetium moons. However, naturally you would be unwilling to accept any data we presented: mere lists of moons can easily be faked. We can, however, rely on the 67 technetium moon number because we've always been open about our finances. These 67 technetium moons produce over 700b isk each month.
This is a substantial amount of technetium income: we would most likely be unable to match it in any post-nerf scenario.
But, more importantly, you have unfortunately had your impression of 0.0 politics fed to you from rivini, a man well-known to be so easily trolled into posting hilariously incorrect information. This is not your fault: you merely did the best you could with the hand you were dealt. But we must look at the facts. Goonswarm is scrooge mcduck rich, earning so much money each month i am compelled to save because i simply cannot spend it fast enough. Yet despite this, we have advocated for a technetium nerf from the beginning, even as we owned one of the most tech-rich conquerable regions in the game, even as the CFC has steadily increased its tech holdings. Technetium alliances no longer act as a bloc: the CFC and Goonswarm have a firm alliance. But, let us look at the most recent technetium war, the fall of Branch: the complete lack of interest any alliance showed for defending White Noise demonstrates the misguided vision you have of 0.0 politics.
And despite all this, despite the fact that as a supercapital-light alliance (because we grow our own supercap pilots, we do not recruit them) we need the money more than anyone, The Mittani has tirelessly advocated for a technetium nerf to level the playing field in 0.0 and restore value to the 3/4ths of the game that have no technetium. |
Nikodiemus
Perkone Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:14:00 -
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Mittens is too busy getting paid by POS MMO magazines and web sites to post his own garbage?
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
379
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:23:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: My friend, regrettably no alliance is going to provide technetium moon data to rebut unsubstantiated allegations. Likewise, I cannot release our data, besides the public figure that Goonswarm owns 67 technetium moons. However, naturally you would be unwilling to accept any data we presented: mere lists of moons can easily be faked. We can, however, rely on the 67 technetium moon number because we've always been open about our finances. These 67 technetium moons produce over 700b isk each month.
This is a substantial amount of technetium income: we would most likely be unable to match it in any post-nerf scenario.
67 Tech moons sounds like a pretty plausible number based on the reseach I have been doing as well. I have no reason to doubt that this number is incorrect. Most of these seems to be in Deklein and Pure Blind, with some scattered around in other neigbouring regions.
However, the total number of techmoons in the North is about 160. Besides Deklein and Pure Blind, we have heavy concetrations in Venal, Tenal, Tribute, Vale and Geminate. Most of these seems to be firmly in Team Tech hands, mainly held by Raiden, PL and NCdot. Moreover, the Tech moons especially in Venal, Tribute and Vale is of better quality than the ones in Deklein and Pure Blind - producing more Tech per moon.
It looks to me that team Tech holds over 90 Tech moons, and if you take quality into consideration their advantage over the Goons looks to be about 1,5:1. |
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