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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:01:00 -
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People are taking the whole killing XXYY alliance far too seriously. Seriousness, as well as ~elite pvp~ and tears keep things running.
Why if a certain nullsec group didn't try to invade us (still a week left on that Febuary deadline, guys) followed by that other group trying to invade us (nice Turret Titans you got there) we would have to go out and gank people. And you know how horrible that would be. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2319
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:04:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Funny. Here I thought that Andski was a Goon. Oh well My friend, we have offered you the hand of friendship many times and offered you the information you needed to verify our claims, yet you have ignored them and when proven wrong completely (on the "better tech moons" issue for example) merely resorted to unsupported attacks on our character. Such attacks must be responded to in kind. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:06:00 -
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"Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not."
Unless the above quote has been falsely attributed to The Mittani, it seems to sum in one sentence why folk should not vote for him.
I have nothing against the Goons, but I wish to be represented on the CSM by someone who can, and does see the larger picture. |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:07:00 -
[244] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:Weaselior wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:[ Exactly so. See my sig for my answer to that question.
Next! There are few things more pathetic than a passive-aggressive forums sig. Ask yourselves: who do you want to vote for, someone whose supporters openly campaign for him and explain why he is the best candidate, or someone where his supporters must resort to passive-aggressive badposting in their sig, and who align themselves with fans of pro wrestling like Cipher Jones? Mother of all Gods: You are an utter ******* imbecile.Get it straight fuckbag: I don't have to justify myself to the likes of a used-up 2-penny insignifi-c-u-n-t like you, but suppose, in your awesome wisdom, that you tell me how my support of my chosen candidate stated explicitly in my sig is "passive-aggressive?" Seems pretty open to me. Do you even know what that term actually means? Once again, where is Mittens? I want to hear him speak here, not some piece of **** useful idiot forum-cliche like you. And yes, I'm openly campaigning for my chosen candidates. I'll even do so now: A) Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM... Chairman.B) Re-elect TwoStep! (Why these would both be good things for EVE doesn't need explaining to anyone non-bloc who has enough working brain-cells to form a coherent critical thought, though I realise that that precludes most Goons.) Next! best rage induced post ever
edit:
vvvvvvvvvvvv hit the quote on the wrong post, sorry bro vvvvvvvvvvvv |

JitaJolie
Paradox Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:09:00 -
[245] - Quote
heheh rage. Its so fluffy :) |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
407
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:14:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Funny. Here I thought that Andski was a Goon. Oh well My friend, we have offered you the hand of friendship many times and offered you the information you needed to verify our claims, yet you have ignored them and when proven wrong completely (on the "better tech moons" issue for example) merely resorted to unsupported attacks on our character. Such attacks must be responded to in kind.
You have offered me nothing. You proved that I dont know much abouth the technical side of moon mining. Fine. It doesnt mean I cant count. And as far as this thread is concerned, you admitted to having less techmoons than your opponents so its a pretty moot point.
The fact remains however, that the CSM is supposed to be neutral, and that the Mittani has consistently pushed for changes to the benefit of Goons during his term. Given the Goon creedo of ******* everone not a goon I'd say its a pretty obvious conclusion that the Mittani is a **** poor choice for the CSM.
Edit: and btw. I think I have expressed my opionon in a coherent and readable manner in this thread. That you consider his sewer ""responding in kind" I think says all I need to know about you as well. |

Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
673
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:20:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:I'd say its a pretty obvious conclusion that the Mittani is a **** poor choice for the CSM.
I'd say it suggests more about your deductive reasoning skills (Hint: not good bro)
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
673
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:21:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Edit: and btw. I think I have expressed my opionon in a coherent and readable manner in this thread.
I liked the grammar and prose in the part where you made it all up in your head. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:22:00 -
[249] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:I'd say its a pretty obvious conclusion that the Mittani is a **** poor choice for the CSM. I'd say it suggests more about your deductive reasoning skills (Hint: not good bro) Heh, like the way you think. And like your post, why not :)
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2139
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:23:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:You have offered me nothing. You proved that I dont know much abouth the technical side of moon mining. Fine. It doesnt mean I cant count. And as far as this thread is concerned, you admitted to having less techmoons than your opponents so its a pretty moot point.
and that's a moot point because it doesn't prove your assertions
catch up, thanks yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:24:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:The fact remains however, that the CSM is supposed to be neutral, and that the Mittani has consistently pushed for changes to the benefit of Goons during his term. Given the Goon creedo of ******* everone not a goon I'd say its a pretty obvious conclusion that the Mittani is a **** poor choice for the CSM.
I don't think you really 'get' how the CSM works. I mean, Hans is running on a lowsec platform, and will likely get on the CSM. He's campaigning on a platform of things that will benefit him. And he's not the only one who's ever done this.
You are really bad at this. |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:25:00 -
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Goons will log in more if the game sucks less. If goons log in more, their numbers will aid them in spacewar. Therefore, if any goon does anything to try to make the game suck less, they are acting to further ~their own agenda~ and not acting with the interests of Eve as a whole in mind. |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
407
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:27:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:
I don't think you really 'get' how the CSM works. I mean, Hans is running on a lowsec platform, and will likely get on the CSM. He's campaigning on a platform of things that will benefit him. And he's not the only one who's ever done this.
You are really bad at this.
Nice. So you admit to metagaming the CSM then? |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2139
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:27:00 -
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no you see, the mittani would only be an honest candidate if he supported nerfing anoms, removing jump/titan bridges, buffing supercaps and removing suicide ganking from the game yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2139
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:28:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Courthouse wrote:
I don't think you really 'get' how the CSM works. I mean, Hans is running on a lowsec platform, and will likely get on the CSM. He's campaigning on a platform of things that will benefit him. And he's not the only one who's ever done this.
You are really bad at this.
Nice. So you admit to metagaming the CSM then?
Have you stopped beating your wife yet? yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
236
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:32:00 -
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I'm just trying to keep things on his level--'cuz I'm a nice person like that--but believe what you will.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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JitaJolie
Paradox Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:34:00 -
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Andski wrote: Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Objection, Leading the witness. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
236
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:no you see, the mittani would only be an honest candidate if he supported nerfing anoms, removing jump/titan bridges, buffing supercaps and removing suicide ganking from the game
Because there is only one, or the other as stated to choose from, no other options
Nice false dichotomy, implied ad hominem, and implied appeal to authority, bru.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:35:00 -
[259] - Quote
Reilly Duvolle wrote:Courthouse wrote:I don't think you really 'get' how the CSM works. I mean, Hans is running on a lowsec platform, and will likely get on the CSM. He's campaigning on a platform of things that will benefit him. And he's not the only one who's ever done this.
You are really bad at this. Nice. So you admit to metagaming the CSM then? Is Courthouse running for CSM? I need to give him a like if so.
But yes, it would seem Hans is metagaming it. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2140
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:36:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:But yes, it would seem Hans is metagaming it.
that bastard yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:But yes, it would seem Hans is metagaming it. that bastard Don't give in to the uh, highseccy carebearies?
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
407
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Posted - 2012.02.22 00:19:00 -
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So for the tech issue, we basically went from:
Weaselior wrote: The Mittani, King of Space, is the best-known advocate for a technetium nerf. Technetium, for those who are unaware, currently produces approximately 718 billion isk per month for goonswarm, yet The Mittani has advocated for its nerf at every turn due to the poor effect it has had on game balance. The Mittani has had the chance to advocate for Goonswarm's financial interests at the expense of the game, and has not taken it. The Mittani is the only candidate who has passed such a test.
Via this:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable. He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. This:
Andski wrote: we don't give a **** if "Team Tech" holds more moons
To This:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:My main issue with all this is that you take credit for it, using it for propaganda purposes to show how the Goons "care for the game", while in reality, you only care for yourself.
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
407
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Posted - 2012.02.22 00:22:00 -
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As for the CSM Neutrality issue, we have come from this
Grumpy Owly wrote:Quotes from The Mittani: "Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not." Tallian Saotome wrote:Can someone point to me where in the CSM charter it says the are supposed to be neutral?
Can you point to ANY official document stating that CCP expect the CSM to be neutral? Full document: http://www.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdfwith specific quote: "The key question that council members must consider before casting their vote is whether or not the issue at hand has the potential to improve or otherwise benefit the entire EVE society, and not just a select group within the community that was successful in bringing attention to their unique case. Seeing the big pictureGÇöin this case, the needs of a society with over 300.000 individualsGÇöis the primary responsibility of a CSM Representative, and reconciling that view with the interests that won them the election is the greatest challenge they will facein this implementation. ... and ... CCP is unable to accommodate any issue considered detrimental to the collective interests of EVE , particularly if the issue(s) touch upon meta-level concerns."
This:
Reilly Duvolle wrote: Fact: The CSM is supposed to be a neutral body. Your sorry ass attempts to cloud this fact is at best misinformed, at worst blantant propaganda.
Fact: The Goons have consistenly pushed for changes that benefits them in game during their term in CSM 6, while largely ignoring issues that dont affect them during the same term. there are exceptions, but pretty few and more importantly, insignificant.
Add the Goons history in EVE, their meta gaming traddition the last 6 years, and I think that my opinion is not entirely without merit. You can try to convice people that my arguments have been totally destructed, but I think you will find quite a lot of people with a diffrent opinion.
To this
Reilly Duvolle wrote:Courthouse wrote:
I don't think you really 'get' how the CSM works. I mean, Hans is running on a lowsec platform, and will likely get on the CSM. He's campaigning on a platform of things that will benefit him. And he's not the only one who's ever done this.
You are really bad at this.
Nice. So you admit to metagaming the CSM then?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.02.22 00:25:00 -
[264] - Quote
Let's just take all that tech from them. Lets see who whines then.... Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2322
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Posted - 2012.02.22 00:26:00 -
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As we discussed, my friend, you have pegged "team tech", a moronic name that only people who have had their brains rotted by riverini use, at 90 tech moons. Goonswarm itself holds 67, a number you have admitted is likely correct. The CFC holds Pure Blind, and parts of Branch: both rich in technetium. It is highly likely based on public data (since I do not intend to release information about the exact numbers of tech moons our allies hold) that the CFC holds an additional 23 at least. So, by your own figures, taking your poor view of 0.0 politics as gospel, you have still failed to prove your point.
We need not mention, of course, that "team tech", a moronic name that only people who have had their brains rotted by riverini use, is hardly Goonswarm's Eternal Enemy and every second tech is not nerfed, Goonswarm gains an indescribably huge advantage over every non-technetium alliance in the game. One of two powerblocs with an indescribably huge advantage over all other alliances is a much better place to be than the post-tech world will be. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2322
|
Posted - 2012.02.22 00:27:00 -
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I need not mention, of course, the poor posting of merely repeating previous badposts you have made as if their progression is relevant. |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
407
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Posted - 2012.02.22 00:29:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:As we discussed, my friend, you have pegged "team tech", a moronic name that only people who have had their brains rotted by riverini use, at 90 tech moons. Goonswarm itself holds 67, a number you have admitted is likely correct. The CFC holds Pure Blind, and parts of Branch: both rich in technetium. It is highly likely based on public data (since I do not intend to release information about the exact numbers of tech moons our allies hold) that the CFC holds an additional 23 at least. So, by your own figures, taking your poor view of 0.0 politics as gospel, you have still failed to prove your point.
We need not mention, of course, that "team tech", a moronic name that only people who have had their brains rotted by riverini use, is hardly Goonswarm's Eternal Enemy and every second tech is not nerfed, Goonswarm gains an indescribably huge advantage over every non-technetium alliance in the game. One of two powerblocs with an indescribably huge advantage over all other alliances is a much better place to be than the post-tech world will be.
It seems like Riverini has touched you in a bad place. He does seem to make a lot of nullsec pubbies very angry, doesnt he? Good qualities in a journalist, I think. He is obviously doing somthing right.
As for my numbers, 67 would assume that Goons holds the entire moon poulation of Deklein, Bure Blind and Branch, + about 10 elsewhere. Id estimate that the CFC as a whole holds a maximum of 70 moons. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2322
|
Posted - 2012.02.22 00:35:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote: It seems like Riverini has touched you in a bad place. He does seem to make a lot of nullsec pubbies very angry, doesnt he? Good qualities in a journalist, I think. He is obviously doing somthing right.
as for my numbers, 67 would assume theta Goons holds the entire moon poulation of Deklein, Bure Blind and Branch-. + about 10 elsewhenre. Id estimate that the CFC as a whole holds a maximum of 70 moons.
The CFC controls Fade, Deklein, Pure Blind, and Branch completely (including Goonswarm within the CFC, which I have not done previously but this makes it easier to describe). Each is a technetium-rich region. As we have already discovered, your knowledge of moon mining approaches nil, so your estimates of what moon counts would be are, of course, not useful. However, we can go to the public data of Dotlan, to discover that the two regions with moon lists there (deklein and Pure Blind: fade is poorly listed and Branch essentially unlisted) both list ~30 technetium moons each. And, while I can assure you Dotlan is full of lies, its lies tend to be profitable ones: failing to register valuable moons, rather than 'fake' valuable moons. We can therefore presume that if Branch continues this pattern it too holds at least 30, and fade (a small region) holds maybe 15.
So therefore, we can easily conclude your numbers are without foundation based purely on public data that I am unable to manipulate. |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
407
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Posted - 2012.02.22 00:35:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:I need not mention, of course, the poor posting of merely repeating previous badposts you have made as if their progression is relevant.
Oh I dont know. My posts seems to increase the overall quality of this thread. Imagine where it would be without me huh?. You should thank me me tinks. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.02.22 00:35:00 -
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Riverini is great, it's like the opposite of the Mittani.
Mittani: tons+ drakes lost, no fucks given, explosions were had Riverini: CFC lost a crucial battle, cascade emminent. Stay tuned for the Deklin by Febuary special *toot* Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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